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Very sad update. H had ONS was back in Aug. with a prostitute. He admitted it immediately. We both went for STD tests at the Heath Dept. The ones they provide have all come back neg., but still awaiting the HIV second window period test that will be at the end of Dec.

A few days ago, my H said he had a referral to see a dermatologist for a "mole." I said, "a mole? Where?"
He said, "by my underwear." I didn't think anything of it until I visited the Heath Dept to get my first result of HIV back the next day. I told the clinician that my H says he has a mole by his underwear...she says are you sure it's not a genital wart? I asked her what is that. She told me.

Later that night I walked in the room as my H was getting ready for bed, I asked him if I could see the mole he was talking about. He showed me. It looked like a wart by his penis, near his groin. Then I asked if he had anything on his penis. He said, yes, and showed me. Notice... now one..went to two. I FREAKED OUT!!
I told him "those look like warts." He said, that is what he thought, but he said the HD told him in Sept they were not. (I'm sure they didn't know at that point, if he did ask???, as they were probably just starting, not identifiable). Notice...he didn't mention anything to me about this until now, almost 4 months later!! Maybe he really knew but wasn't telling me. I couldn't sleep I was so angry, while he still insisted they were moles or old age marks, that his Dr. told him that. I was up on the internet searching for pictures and all info I could. He would say things like "I hope it's not cancerous." I was boiling inside!!!

The next morning I was making calls to clinics and Dr's everywhere. We were told to come in together at our Dr's office as walkins. We did. I was fuming, crying, because I knew. The PA took one look and with in 10 seconds said those were warts! He also found another one. He diagnosed him with them, which means he not only has them but also HPV, for the rest of his life. HPV is what causes the warts. He will still see a dermatologist in a week. And from what I read, it can be terrible to have warts removed if they don't go away with medicine. And if they go away, he still carries the HPV forever. Generally once exposed to someone with HPV, it takes 3-4 months for any significant symptons such as warts. Not all get warts. It's been almost 4 months. He diagnosed me with HPV exposure.

I had never heard of HPV, and genital warts until now.
And it is not something that Dr's or clinic test for regularly like the other tests. This test has to be requested.

OMG, when I think of this, and the pictures I have seen of women with it, and what that prositute probably looked like, it makes me sick. Condoms can't even protect people from that virus, because it is caught by skin to skin contact of only the genital areas, not semen.

Now to... what am I gonna do. I was sexually abstinent from him from July on because of my female problems, prolapsed fibroid, which is why I think he got frustrated and went to the prostitute in Aug. Stupid, stupid stupid!!!! Then after that I remained abstinent with him, awaiting HIV and others STD tests, until one time Nov. 1st I slipped with him that one time. So...now I am scared!! I have had multiple internal exams preparing me for surgery at the end of Dec. and my Dr. has never mentioned seeing any lumps, bumps, warts or anything. But I am going to see him next Tuesday to talk to him about this.

Lemonman is a big advocate of STD testing immediately following infidelity....he is so right. It might be hard going without SF for 3-4 months (of which it takes the longest for HIV tests). And remember even a condom will not protect from everything. Many people carry HPV, and do not know it, unless warts show up.

Yesterday H was still very much in denial, today he is in shock..

I am in shock, so hurt and angry. Now what....??



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OMG, when I think of this, and the pictures I have seen of women with it, and what that prositute probably looked like, it makes me sick. Condoms can't even protect people from that virus, because it is caught by skin to skin contact of only the genital areas, not semen.

Now to... what am I gonna do. I was sexually abstinent from him from July on because of my female problems, prolapsed fibroid, which is why I think he got frustrated and went to the prostitute in Aug. Stupid, stupid stupid!!!! Then after that I remained abstinent with him, awaiting HIV and others STD tests, until one time Nov. 1st I slipped with him that one time. So...now I am scared!! I have had multiple internal exams preparing me for surgery at the end of Dec. and my Dr. has never mentioned seeing any lumps, bumps, warts or anything. But I am going to see him next Tuesday to talk to him about this.

OK sheep.......lets step back and take a breather. Your fears, anxieties and anger are ALL justified. Knowledge is power, so now you at least know. Have a good cry, punch a wall, yell in a quiet room. DO that, and let it out. Then, be rational and realize what you are dealing with here. You or your WH are NOT gonna die from this.

Now, HPV is a very common STD and many of US (even me possibly, who knows) may have it. The warts are generally harmless, and surgical extraction is rarely needed. There are topical creams that can help combat the lesions. It may be difficult for yourself to be tested for this with lesions that are not visible on your external genitalia. There are HPV serology DNA studies that can be done, but are NOT commonly done and are expensive. The key for you (if you have it, which is only a "fear" now anyways) is to have annual pap smears, as there are some HPV strains that are strongly linked with cervical cancer.

I don't have the ansers for what you need to do with your WH regarding Sex in the future. Noone here (even the emminent Willard F. Harley, PHd) has the answers to that.

I would beg you to NOT scour the internet for "pictures", etc..as all this will do is illicit more fear for you. Go see a Dr as you have planned, finish your HIV testing, and then arm yourself with professional guidance and opinion on tramission of this and consequences of that.

I don't want to ever be a guy who says "I told you so", but there have been people here who dismiss my rantings of STD testing with "be careful" or use "precautuions"....and this is a prime example why that advice is frought with error.

I may cough up the $185.00 to Willard Harley to confront him of why this exact issue is NOT discussed at least in some way on this site. The money would be well spent. I am quite sickened that this issue remains NOT addressed for people here. If one is gonna advocate meeting "needs" (including SF in "high risk" situations), then they better be given all of the facts also.

LS, I am sorry for this turn of events, I am truly sick for you.

You'll be ok. Please understand what this is, and that this is by no means a death sentence for your WH and that the sequale of all of this is likely to be more "emotional" than "physical".

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OK sheep.......lets step back and take a breather. Your fears, anxieties and anger are ALL justified. Knowledge is power, so now you at least know. Have a good cry, punch a wall, yell in a quiet room. DO that, and let it out. Then, be rational and realize what you are dealing with here. You or your WH are NOT gonna die from this.
Thanks LM for your comfort and understanding...What you say is true. I already did all the yelling, screaming, ranting and raving all over the house. When the PA told us "the truth", my ranting stopped. Now I am just so worried, and somewhat quietly angry. I have so many questions and fears now. H is totally quiet about it waiting to see the derm. I think he thinks the dermatologist is going to tell him different.

I don't have the ansers for what you need to do with your WH regarding Sex in the future. Noone here (even the emminent Willard F. Harley, PHd) has the answers to that.
Well the only answer I can come up with is to be celibate.
And that doesn't bother me, but it may bother my H.
If I don't have it...Would he expect, me to risk
getting it all for my marriage?....I couldn't so my answer to that is "no way". Really...it seems there is no protection available for HPV. But these are questions I will bring up with my Dr.

But...one miracle healing took place 2 years ago for my H. He had Hep C. He got it from using drugs with a needle many many years ago. 2 yrs ago his Dr. had him take the Pegintron (which is a yr long of treatments with pills and weekly injections) to see if that would rid him of the virus (only 50% of patients it works for, but he took the chance). He couldn't handle the medicine past 6 weeks, his kidneys began to fail, and his mental health went down hill fast because of it. He had to go off of it. I began to give him Pau D' Arco tea (which is an herb-actually it is tree bark) and has healed many from cancer and viruses, and used quite often in South America. He began to get his viral load tested every 3 months. After a while of Pau D' Arco, he got tested. All of his liver tests, and viral load came back normal. (He had not had a normal viral load or liver in 20 yrs)! He no longer had the virus. He continued tests every 3 months. all coming back normal. All his Dr's were amazed, they had never seen anyone healed of Hep C. I don't know if the Pau D' Arco did it or God. But I think God had a big hand in it.

But now...I think God means it, when he says "go and sin no more" lest something worse come upon you. WH has a big consequence here, the one consequence I feared the most, an STD.

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Lemonman -

I'll pay half if you do talk to SH. You know that I try to encourage folks here to save their marriages. And you know of the member here whose WW died of AIDS (by the way, he is still testing negative). She was a health care worker.

Many of us are so busy trying to bring our WS's back, that we don't think about STD's. My main criticism of the MB program is that there is little mention of avoiding STD's. Plan A and meeting needs is fine. But SOMEWHERE it must be stressed that there is a risk to the BS's health.

For some unfathomable reason, most WS's do not practice safe sex. And even if they do use a condom, diseases can be passed.

Ladysheep - I'm so sorry this has happened to you.

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But...one miracle healing took place 2 years ago for my H. He had Hep C. He got it from using drugs with a needle many many years ago....I began to give him Pau D' Arco tea (which is an herb-actually it is tree bark) and has healed many from cancer and viruses, and used quite often in South America. He began to get his viral load tested every 3 months. After a while of Pau D' Arco, he got tested. All of his liver tests, and viral load came back normal. (He had not had a normal viral load or liver in 25 yrs)! He no longer had the virus. He continued tests every 3 months. all coming back normal. All his Dr's were amazed, they had never seen anyone healed of Hep C. I don't know if the Pau D' Arco did it or God.

Well, lady, I am not gonna "touch" this one, as I am at the very least "skeptical" of this Herb or any herb or "tree bark" and it's ability to "cure" viruses and cancer. Show me one randomized controlled study showing it's efficacy and I will gladly swallow a pot full of crow....but I digress. My point is NOT to discount your "belief" in herbs.

I do concur that miracles do happen in life and certainly in medicine, but I would surmise that your husbands absence of viral Hepatitis C DNA--actually the correct term is Viral RNA (also now considered by some as an STD) was not in any way, shape, or form related to the "tree bark". I have to be honest with you, and even question the true absence of the virus that he has had for 25 years. I assume that he had a liver biopsy that showed the absence of any Hep C virus. You can't claim "a disease free state" based on serolgies or liver transaminases alone. I am not questioning your belief of the situation.

I am not a great "believer" in alternative therapies to tell you the truth. They have their place in medicine, but certainly ONLY as an adjunct and as "placebo" salvage therapy.

When I was a surgical intern I admitted this 44 year old mother of three to the surgical oncology service one wintery Feb night. She came in because of severe "breast pain" that she could no longer tolerate. She had a "mass" growing on her left breast that had grown to the size of a small basketball. It was fungating and foul smelling, and when I removed the bandages to see the mass, a RN assisting me vomited on the spot. The entire ER smelled of essetially dead flesh. I cannot imagine the severe pain that she tolerated with this, for God knows how long. This was probably a treatable cancerous lesion, but the patient along with her "doctor" decided on a course of "shark cartilage" to treat the "mass". Her husband told me "You Doctors inject that poison that kills people", "my wife and I believe this (the shark cartilage) will work and cure her".

Her three children (ages 4, 7, and 9 were asleep in the room on chairs while he told me this).....I stared off in utter amazement.... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Did he really tell me this? Does he really believe this?

She died three days later. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

I guess that left an indelible impression on me. It no doubt left me with prejudices.

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Ewwwww.fungating breast carcinoma. dealt with that. You literally have to clean the air in the room before seeing anybody else. I used to do all the prechemo workups for GA cancer...did a certain procedure for them. One day had a woman in severe denial of her malignancy...knew it when she walked in what it was. She was a well dressed woman in her seventi4es...her sis had died of breast ca. sHe did not want to have it either..but she did...and she ignored it for about 3 years...3 years too long. She died shortly after initiation of chemo...her ef had been comprosmised a little...(can you tell I've had 2 margaritas???they were lovely!)


I think you either have the varmint virus or you don't. You don't have miracle cures of else the whole world would be screaming for it...and this good doc, Mr. Lemonsweetie, and myself, a professional, not a doc...but very very qualified, would say that we'd give that darn cure up in a heartbeat if we could....if it existed.

Nobody wants an std...trust me, walked that route. I was TERRIFIED OF THAT! Went to my old obgyn...a friend of mine. Just walked into his back office in his large practice. I had no appointment. I just walked back there and shut his door (in his own office)...he saw me walk back and came back there inbetween his patients. I was sobbing and asking him to test me for everything known to mankind...he began swearing...at my soon to be xh...said that my xh wasted the best girl...and that's when my own ob said that he'd remarried since I saw him...that had I just been single a year earlier...well that was another story. He brought all the stuff into his office. I let him draw my blood. It was freaky. I really thought I had something...that darth ahd given me something. But I was CLEAN!...so clean it was amazing!

I went back 6 mos. later for Dr. C to test me again. Negatory. I was so relieved!

There is no magic bullet. There is no cure. At least not one documented thru medical testing to cure any std...any biggie one that is.

Best thing to stop an std.....having a stuuuupid WS wrap it up if they are a male, or just not do it if they're a girl.

That's bout it.


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I may cough up the $185.00 to Willard Harley to confront him of why this exact issue is NOT discussed at least in some way on this site. The money would be well spent. I am quite sickened that this issue remains NOT addressed for people here. If one is gonna advocate meeting "needs" (including SF in "high risk" situations), then they better be given all of the facts also.

I fully agree LM. It needs to be done!!

Well, lady, I am not gonna "touch" this one, as I am at the very least "skeptical" of this Herb or and hern or "tree bark" and it's ability to cure viruses and cancer.Show me one randomized controlled study showing it's efficacy and I will gladly swallow a pot full of crow....but I digress.

I know, I believe "some" herbs have the potential to heal people, and if anything keep people healthier. Everything God created is good, He said that from the beginning. Some of man's medicine can do good too, you and I both know that.

I have to be honest with you, and even question the true absence of the virus that he has had for 25 years. But that maybe just cause I am a skeptic of these claims, and am not questioning your belief of the situation.

He is truly healed LM. No sign of Hep C going on 2 yrs now.
NONE!! Don't know if God did the healing or the Pau D' Arco. BUT HE IS HEALED!!! DR'S ARE STILL AMAZED AND SO ARE WE!!


She had a "mass" growing on her left breast that had grown to the size of a small basketball. It was fungating and foul smelling, and when I removed the bandages to see the mass, a RN assisting me vomited on the spot. The entire ER smelled of essetially dead flesh. I cannot imagine the severe pain that she tolerated with this, for God knows how long. This was probably a treatable cancerous lesion, but the patient along with her "doctor" decided on a course of "shark cartilage" to treat the "mass". Her husband told me "You Doctors inject that poison that kills people", my wife and I believe this (the shark cartilage) will work and "cure" her.

Shark Cartilage????!!! Well that is ridiculous!!!!

My mother died of Breast Cancer so I know what you are saying. I have yet to see a person healed of cancer by Chemo and radiation. It only prolongs life for a short while if anything, only helpful but not curing.

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LM:

I am not wanting to rehash my thoughts on this...

You already know that I feel like I did what I had to do in MY SITUATION...

However, I have for a long time wanted to know how you or others would answer this question..

I am dead serious about this...

I will use myself as an example...

Let's just say that it had not worked out between my H and myself and I am now single. Let's just say that I have a high sex drive (wild woman that I am at age 51). I have never had sex with anyone else except my H...Yes, really...


How would I go about having sex and being safe? Would I have all potential partners tested OR do without?....

Really, just wondering about this....

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As a single girl...I asked my bf a few months back to "give blood"..to help hurricane victims...also wanted him to show me the paperwork sent back from the red cross...in case I wanted...well..you know the rest ...

years ago, when I was single . long before darth, we all came up with this issue...it was hard to deal with. what with all the diseases out there.

so we devised a way to find out if our partners were safe...and yes, we would all practice safe sex...(I only had 2 bf's from college...was darn safe...so I was not really one who was worried back then... neiother am now)...

our way was to ask our sig others to give blood to whatever national disaster/international disaster...and ask them to see the results. we'd also volunteer to give ours...and show them the results.

Btw...if you are 'opted out" by the red cross or a donation agency, there is a reason. If your blood is denied, they will show you why...send you a "dear john or jane" letter so to speak.

That is how we found out about our partners...how my friends (nurses, specialists, and docs) did it. It worked great. And how I found out about the status of my now questionable if he is anymore, bf.

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Peachy:

Still hypothetical for me since I've not been in that situation BUT...

Isn't that a bad way to start a new relationship..by being DISHONEST...

I don't think I would be interested in just CASUAL SEX...

I would want to develop some sort of a R with the person first...

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To the poster who does NOT know of a woman cured by traditional medicine...

I see TONS OF THEM! Sure do. I do specific testing to rule it out...metastasis...and I k now and see the results of early detection and good medicine. And yes, good docs and specialits like myself tell them to eat well, eat healthy, treat themselves well and fight back thru health! That means high fiber, low fat, lots of veggies and fruits along with medicine.

I have for sure seen women cured of it. I also work and help find as well as map sentinel nodes for patients. Mapped 2 yesterday before surgery to remove their melanoma.

Cancer can be cured. But it takes early detection...and following of medicine's path and I think an even better outcome is when doc's orders are followed combined with the healthiest of diets...some docs I work with even send their patients to nutritionalists...to devise a cancer fighting diet for them.

Do not discount medicine. Please do not.


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Not dishonest...not at all.

I personally do give blood. When I can it is usually for some disaster. I only ask somebody to do something I find acceptable btw...and why my friends did the same. Why they devised such an idea. Not anything we would not do.

It is a way to find out.

And yes, we believe in honesty. However, we have a girlfriend...she was in fact a bridesmaid of mine, who BELIEVED IN THIS KIND OF BLIND HONESTY...WAS ENGAGED...AND ENDED UP DESPITE THE RADICAL HONESTY WITH HERPES...nasty case of it. From x fiancee. Who'd have thought it?

Not my friend never! But she has it. Had several serious outbreaks in the last five years . Costed her 2 other bf's and she was completely honest with them.

We can expect others to be honest as we are. And we hope they are. But our lives are here on the line. Alot is at stake. And now I see the price much higher since it is no longer "just me" anymore. I have a little fella who depends on me to do things wisely. He has one decnet parent ok?

If I am going to play, then I'd be best willing to play...and be totally up front. When I asked my stb bf this, I said "hey D. I am thinking of donating some blood to the hurricane fund. What do you think of it?" He said it was good. I said he should too. First I gave. i showed him my report after I got it back saying thanks for my donation (I am ok)...said to him..."well, that is great. Not only am I safe, but it's being put to good use."
He donated next. And he's safe too.

A very politically correct way to get the message out...if you're gonna ever consider being with me...show me you're willing to give...and also let me know you're clean in the process~!

Nothing wrong about it. If bf asked me, I'd tell him. I am always honest. But after what I've seen and lived th ru, I take my health quite seriously.


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Same principal as me wearing gloves...I imply by my wearing them on my patients that I treat all my patients AS IF THEY HAD AN STD...

and for the patients who are contagious, they WEAR A MASK OR ARE IN SOME SORT OF ISOLATION..

but unfortunately there are walking time bombs out there...not practicing safe sex, whtether married or single...and they're bringing home things that can kill you.

Many yet to be diagnosed.

And they're out there. You could be dating one. Or married to one. IF you have .0000001 percent of worry, that is too much to me.

As for me, I had myself and darth 's blood drawn and tested before our marriage. We got a pre marriage checkup. That way I knew it was ok to go "naked" if I wanted to...and when we chose to propegate, there was no worries. And after I found out about affair no. 1, I was off to be tested...and DEMANDED DARTH BE TESTED IMMEDIATELY...I sent OW even a letter demanding HER to get tested as I thought her sleazy. Had it written on my attorney's letterhead.

Maybe I set some legal precedence? I think it should be lawful for a BS to demand both the WS and the OP to get tested if the WS is stuuuuupid enough to sleep with more than 1 person.


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Let's just say that it had not worked out between my H and myself and I am now single. Let's just say that I have a high sex drive (wild woman that I am at age 51). I have never had sex with anyone else except my H...Yes, really...
How would I go about having sex and being safe? Would I have all potential partners tested OR do without?....

Really, just wondering about this....


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Mimi:

Your question actually is extremley valid, and an even greater advocacy for remaining in a monogamous marriage or relationship. There is no TRUE answer for everyone. The only way to BE SURE 100% of never contracting an STD is to NOT HAVE SEX.

Surely NOOONE here is advocating that.

In life there are risks, and each of us has to take calculated risks based on things we do. FOR ME, I would probably insist on STD testing befor having unprotected or protected Sex with someone. Even doing this, may not absolve me of risk. I can "live" with the remaining risk. I would rather do "without" before subjecting myself to risk of high risk sex or sex with someone I don't completely trust or know. Is this extreme...perhaps, but it is my body and my life. For others that may not be the case, and they are more "trusting". If you are going to have sex with someone now days, you have to be able to essentially trust them with your life...

In your question, a "high sex drive" would be fine, but I assume that you are NOT talking about indiscriminate sex or promiscous sex, so in reality, your "high" need for Sex wouldn't really mattter would it? A "high" need for sex is different than "promiscous" sex. I have a "high" need for sex.....it sucks not being able to fulfill that "need" when I want. It is a "choice" I make.

I am not advocating shotgun testing for "anything under the sun" on any of my potential partners. If I am gonna have sex with someone, you can be sure it will be within the scope of a trusting and emotional relationship. What more can you do besides this? There will always be some risk, but THIS IS SURELEY A HEL* OF ALOT DIFFERENT THAN HAVING SEX WITH A SPOUSE WHO HAS ACTIVELY PRACTICED UNSAFE SEX WITH A PARTNER of QUESTIONAVBLE NATURE in the hope of meeting their emotional "need" for Sex. I don't give a flying f*** how many marriages one saves, that is pure and unadulterated BS.

What you are asking is on a completely different scale from what I rant about here alot. I know that you and I have disagreed on this before, and I want you to know, that in the end, I do "respect" YOUR RIGHT to do what you want with your body. You understood the risks and were more than willing to suffer any consequences from this. While we don't agree about this, that doesn't mean that I don't respect your right to do this. I am afraid "others" in the thick of things aren't as clear as you were to the risks. It is those people that I hope to "De-fog".

To answer your question.....The only true SAFE SEX is abstinenbce, but that TOO ME is not a reasonable alternative. SO short if that, I use my judgement, and would use testing and condoms in the meantime. For the record, I would rather much be married or in a monomagous and trusting realtionship than be "single". Many colleagues of mine relish the "single" life and the plethora of Sex to be had....I don't feel the same. I yearn to be back in the "saddle" again...LOL.

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Peachy -

In school I worked for the bloodbank. Your method of testing for STD's is completely CRAZY. Sorry, but we need a safe blood supply, and donating blood should NOT be the method of testing for STDs.

There are all kinds of STDs that the bloodbank screening won't pick up. That is why donor's are asked not to donate if they have practiced risky sex.

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Cancer can be cured. But it takes early detection...and following of medicine's path and I think an even better outcome is when doc's orders are followed combined with the healthiest of diets...some docs I work with even send their patients to nutritionalists...to devise a cancer fighting diet for them.

Do not discount medicine. Please do not.

Peachy, I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm sure some have been cured. I'm just saying I haven't seen one. You and LM are medical professional's, I'm sure you have. I have seen many go into remission, only to have the cancer return at a later time.

I never said I discount medicine. But I don't discount herbs either. Heck... if we didn't have medicine and food in this country, we would look like Africa.

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Heck... if we didn't have medicine and food in this country, we would look like Africa.


Some of the richest people in the world live in Africa... and some of the poorest live here...

There's lots of medicine and food in Africa, Lady...

What are you talking about?

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THANKS for answering my question!!!

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Wow Mimi....I guess I was just talking about the poor parts of Africa.

Even the health of the poor people in America is taken care of if wanted and needed. Not so in the poor parts of Africa.

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As of late, as according to my friends who work in Medical Technology, in my hospital blood bank and lab, it is fine! It is more than safe to ask that. My friends medically verified this...

It is also a way to imho, get a potential partner..(serious partner) to understand how serious we are...

We did that...and my bf went a step further. The next month he went to his proc's office and after a "certain" male thing was done to checkup, he had a full workup.

He knew what I was asking for. He complied. He did donate. We all donate.

We donate whenever there is a real need for blood. We do. We do that whether we're single or not. Whatever the case is. But it is a good way to see if somebody is WILLING...WILLING I SAY...to roll up their sleeve and give...or if they have something to hide.

My buddy Vickie, she was so kind and loving. Her fiancee was a good guy. Never in a million years would we have figured he's gonna give an std to her. Never! They were planning their fancy wedding...it crushed her. He did avoid a few things we noticed. He did NOT go thru w/a bloodtest several mos. before the wedding...she found out literally 2mos before the wedding she had an STD...they had been dating 3 years. The previous year, before their engagement, all her blood and female tests at obgyn office came back perfectly. He was only guy she was ever with.

You have to ask your partner to do something or else we're all gonna end up wrapping ourselves up in giant condoms...or just being asexual. I asked my stb bf to give blood. He figured it out. He showed me his receipt of "thank you"...and he felt good about it. I asked him if he'd had it all done..whole nine yards at his doc's and he said no...but then he went and had the whole exam stuff done.

It is a way to get the ball rolling...to see if they're willing to go that extra mile for you.

I am with Lem. If I bel ieve somebody is there for me 100 percent, they'd best roll up their sleeve or no nooky!

And this is coming from a woman who USED to have one helluva drive in days gone by...(but was married ok?)


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