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#1625860 03/31/06 11:50 PM
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I have been hanging around a lot less lately due to a combination of factors.I find myself alone on a Friday night and decided to take a break from reading GAME OF SHADOWS and since mr laptop was here I decided to do some catching up with my friends here at MB.

Things were going well for a while after my very brief interaction with STBXW in November. If you remember, she had sent the NC letter after 21 months of my Plan B, but it turned out to be a momentary pang of conscience from wifey.

Well about 6 weeks ago, I pull into the parking lot of clinic I staff on Monday nights and lo and behold who pulls up next to me but STBXW!

After politely greeting each other she gets a real serious look on her face and says we need to talk. I asked why now???.. her answer was that she was about to divorce the only man she ever loved and she could not let that happen. She begged to talk but I declined saying I had patients waiting for me. She pressed me to talk and I somewhat reluctantly agreed but only in a public place NOT at our home nor at my apartment. We decided on a Starbucks. Some privacy but with just enough exposure that emotions and voices would be held in check.

Well we sit down to coffee and after making small talk and catching up on what has happened in our lives the last two years, she repeats that she misses everything about me, misses my sense of humor, the exemplary way I always treated and protected her, and again how she had "Mr Right" but did not realize it.

Now I will have to admit that hearing those words( that I had dreamed about for so long) scared the snot out of me. I had truly gone on in my life (Plan B works! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />) and I had started to date my ex girlfriend again and actually was thinking about the future. A little background is necessary on my exGF( I will call Linda).She is the one I left to marry Mrs. Cymanca. I knew at the time that I had crushed Linda but I was and still am deeply impressed at how she handled the situation. Mrs. Cymanca always acted like she had lost by marrying me, and spent most of our M p*ssed that I had nothing negative to say about her. BTW I care for my ex wife and all of my ex GF's. A TREMENDOUS source of irritation to Mrs. Cymanca. I do want to note that in my 7 year M I spoke to my ex-wife once( in the presence of Mrs. Cymanca) and saw or talked to ex GF's rarely except for Linda, whom I spoke to on business matters only. Mrs. Cymanca talked to Linda all the time but I was unaware of any facet of her personal life including her boyfriends and her almost marriage a couple of years previously.

Well back to Mrs. Cymanca. She told me she was now an avid reader of MB but did not have the courage to post here. I told her there were great people here but they would not tolerate even a hint of dishonesty and would not mince words in correcting her. She told me she had broken off relations with her parents( she blames them for not teaching her how to love) and all current and past boyfriends.

Now while I am hearing this with a brain mindful of what had been going on these last two years, I am extremely uneasy during this entire conversation. I beg off saying that I am tired and she insists on meeting at Starbucks the next week and I should think about what we could do to prevent the divorce that now she did not want.

To make an already long story short, the next several weeks were dotted with telephone calls and emails that were pleasant enough but with me always avoiding ANY relationship talk. As is her personality she pressed for an immediate solution to her two year romp now that SHE had decided she wanted US to work. She could not be put off and begged me to come up with what I needed to let us repair what she had destroyed. I fnally came up with these points


1. Take a complete STD panel from any doctor of your choosing. I will also be willing to take the same tests.

2. Take and pass a polygraph test. I will pay for the examination and you may choose the examiner.

3 Sign a "post nuptual" agreement limiting your claim to any asset other than those monies already distributed and one quarter of the buiding proceeds in the event that you enagage in any future extramarital activity.

4.Agree to no contact with (her new best GF)and any other friends that have shown to not be pro marriage.

5. Furnish a complete copy of the statement that you provided for the owners of the cruise line in response to my claims against Cabin boy.

6. Engage in personal counseling with Dr Psycholigist or any other qualified professional on at least a biweekly basis for a period of one year.

7. All mementos of all your trysts be disposed of immediately. Including clothes, jewelery, pictures etc

8. Complete transparency as described on the Marriage Builders web site

Well it took almost 2 days but her response was ok to all points except #3 and that refusal was non-negotiable.

I thanked her for her reply and told her I would see her in court on May 11 for our divorce trial.


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#3 is one of my favorites!

I wonder why she did not like that <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

You sound like you are holding up pretty darn well, considering the circumstances.

When you were sitting across from her drinking coffee... did you feel drawn to her or did you feel detached?

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Pep,

Talking about our lives and people and jobs which we did on a daily basis,yes I did have some old feelings resurface. However the predominate feeling was one of discomfort and caution. Later I realized that my discomfort came from wondering how long it would take for her to lie to me. It took two more meetings and it was a whopper....she claimed that all of her extramarital sex was protected. This was after I had stressed the impact that any further lies would have.

I was still mystified by her refusal to #3. I thought she would balk at one of the other demands. Silly me, I thought after she professed her newly restored love for me that even the thought of another extramarital jaunt would nauseate her.

Now I don't know whether to condemn her for her refusal or praise her for her honesty.


Divorced:
"Never shelter anyone from the realities of their decisions": Noodle

You believe easily what you hope for ernestly

Infidelity does not kill marriages, the lying does
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That #3 would have been the one she refused just blows my mind too Cy.

How hurtful...once again.

I am sorry.

I think I like Linda.

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Way to go, Cymanca! This is exactly how it should be done. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

Exposure 101


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Weaver & Mel,

Thanks, as always, for your input guys. I have a court ordered mediation coming up but I don't expect any change in her position. I know there won't be any change in mine.


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You believe easily what you hope for ernestly

Infidelity does not kill marriages, the lying does
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I know she's intelligent ... but she's not very smart....

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Later I realized that my discomfort came from wondering how long it would take for her to lie to me. It took two more meetings and it was a whopper....she claimed that all of her extramarital sex was protected. This was after I had stressed the impact that any further lies would have.


she agreed to take a polygraph ... was she thinking you were NOT going to ask her about using protection?

She lies like a teenager (spur-of-the-moment-knee-jerk-reactive-lie) ... I HAVE recent experience with that !!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Pep,

As I always told my WW, her intelligence is far superior to mine.

If you look back through all my posts(indeed before this mess started), I always stressed that when it came to predicting her actions, I always considered how a six year old would react. That theory has held up to years of challenges without fail.


Divorced:
"Never shelter anyone from the realities of their decisions": Noodle

You believe easily what you hope for ernestly

Infidelity does not kill marriages, the lying does
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Hello Cy,

The only point of refusal involved one where she may be held accountable with fiscal ramifications. Unbelievable.

My marriage has not survived, XW is still with DR. OM. I'm OK.

Thank you for the update.


BS 42 S-10 D-5 D-day 03NOV14 Plan B - 04Jul22 Filed(me) - 05May13 Final - 06Mar16 "When a man steals your wife there is no better revenge than to let him keep her."
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Binder,

I wish I could say something brilliant that could make you feel better but I have nothing to offer except my condolences.

If you have not moved on in your life please, you owe yourself that effort. It accomplishes two things. First, you have a life back and secondly, it is one of the most powerful tools that often brings the WS back.

Best of luck, Binder.


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"Never shelter anyone from the realities of their decisions": Noodle

You believe easily what you hope for ernestly

Infidelity does not kill marriages, the lying does
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Cy, I am so impressed with the dignified way you handled this. I am continually amazed at the immaturity of your STBX and how she devalues you and your M. Good job and like Weaver said, "I think I like Linda"


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If moving on will bring her back.......I'll be going back to being stuck in limbo. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I reached a point long ago where I was pushing for the divorce.

Thank you for the condolences, I will accept them on behalf of the family unit. On a personal level, life is now a new adventure. I went on a couple of dates last week, and seeing another woman this Wed. It's all good.

Your presence on this board is a valuable one. Both you and I waited too long to expose. The lesson holds value for many new here. I can't believe the value of exposure is still debated.

Best wishes Cy

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ff,

Thanks for your very kind words.


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You believe easily what you hope for ernestly

Infidelity does not kill marriages, the lying does
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Binder,

Obviously I agree 100% with your point on exposure.

I feel that the reluctance to expose by the BS is due to two points. One, that the action of "spreading the word" makes the BS ACCEPT the reality of the situation and secondly that the BS is admitting to the lack of control of his/her own life and is asking for help. This request for help can be seen as a very shameful action especially by the male BS.


Divorced:
"Never shelter anyone from the realities of their decisions": Noodle

You believe easily what you hope for ernestly

Infidelity does not kill marriages, the lying does
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Great list of your boundries Cymanca! And good job sticking to them. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

If she was really sincere and sure of her desire to work on the marriage, #3 would definitely be a non-issue.

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Nerly,

Yup, I thought # 3 was a no brainer.


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You believe easily what you hope for ernestly

Infidelity does not kill marriages, the lying does
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Hi Cym. Long time !

Fantastic way you handled this. You taught me here. Truly excellent.

Have a great life, mate. You laid the foundations for one !


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bOb,

It is nice to be able to give you one after all the teaching you have done here.

Thanks for your kind thoughts.


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"Never shelter anyone from the realities of their decisions": Noodle

You believe easily what you hope for ernestly

Infidelity does not kill marriages, the lying does
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Cy,

Good to hear from you. Sounds like the WS doesn't like it that you are moving forward w/o her. Hm..... anyone surprised?!??!? Not me! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I am proud of you and your accomplishments.

take care,
L.

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Orchid,

I hope you don't mind me using a little Orchid for my sig line?


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You believe easily what you hope for ernestly

Infidelity does not kill marriages, the lying does
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