You wouldn't have to arm ALL the students...just allow the ones who wanted to carry a gun to carry one.

~ Marsh

Precisely Owl.

LMAO..... yeah and that was a lawful and safe society huh MM? Heck, we used to string up blacks on an oak tree before we got all soft too. Heck, if we had never gotten soft, that Chonese man would not have been in this country top begin with!

I don't know if bearing arms is the answer. I tenk to agree with MEDC on this.

I too grew up in a military family. Used to go to the Rod and Gun club with my dad and shoot skeets, as a little girl. But as I grew up I became scared of guns. My dad gave me one when I was in college and I ended up giving it back to him because it gave me the heebie jeebies.

I became a broker instead of an officer at the border because I would not/could not carry a gun.

My bothers and I got rid of a $30,000. gun collection my dad owned when he died, because we all refuse to have guns in the house.

What's the answer? For people who don't like guns, who are not capable of violence.

My daughter would not be able to carry a gun, nor to use it. She would be laying on the ground in shock with the rest of the dead/hurt students, no doubt.

How horribly, unbelievably wasteful and sad. All those bright young kids, and their loving, proud families...left to live in devastation and grief. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

I agree with MM on this too! Even if we could teach our kids that to cower in fear letting some insane person decide our fate is wrong, how do we teach them to evaluate the situation, look for their best way out and take it. Rush the guy? jump out the window? For darn sure pull my own gun and unload it on him. Aim for the body. No guilt there.

Have several coworkers with children there, they all called by cell phone yesterday thank God. Prayers for all those who couldn't and their families.

FTS

My son and I had a talk about this yesterday... I told him I want him to be safe... but to never give in to this type of stuff... that if death is ineveitable for you or others... die a hero. If five people rushed this guy... some would surely die...but I guarantee you that the carnage would not have been as bad. Fear becomes paralyzing to some...even those trained to handle situations. This is all just so sad.

Didnt say it did! I was talking about how these kids show up clueless because parents fail them.


Again, a gun does nothing. I used to hand guns to 18 year olds (some 17 year olds) everyday. And none of them killed anyone!

I used to be asigned by the military to ATF. I was a liason. I helped study the gun problem in Washington, DC. Guess what?/ The guns are NOT the problem! Easy access is NOT the problem. We could get rid of the 2nd Amendment today and the bad guys will still get guns! It just means the good guys get to be lined up and shot execution style because they have no ability to fight back.

We have had guns since this nation began. We didnt have this kind of problem!

Let's try a little experiment. Let's go into Philly, and require every person to wear either a t-shirt that says "I'm armed" or say "I'm unarmed." And also require a poster be put on every house that says "Armed residents inside" or have a poster that says "gun free zone."

Let's do that for a year! Wanna bet the bad guys dont try to enter the house that is packing? Want to bet that the bad guys dont try to take on the guy who is carrying his S&W 357 mag?

The problem in Philly is a societal one...NOT the weapons! it is one parent families...and the poverty brought on by that. it is the lack of religious and moral upbringing. It is extremely bad schools.

But the biggest problem is at home! It is the parents!

As I said, I studied this problem for almost ten years. I have written reports that have gone straight to Congress and the White House.

And I can tell you...guns are NOT the problem!

True, Marshmallow!

Huh?

This reminds me of the shooting at a mall near Salt Lake City around Christmas time. Some nut job opens fire at the mall. No on duty cops around. Well an off duty cop from another town was there having dinner with his wife. Yes he was armed. This one man was able to corner this nut job until more on duty cops showed up. Saved many people IMO. More of us “good” guys need to be able to carry if we wanted, not just the cops.

Very sad Weaver! And as I said above (and Marshmallow stated)...someone that doesnt want to have a gun, shouldnt be required to!

True MEDC!

I don't think people are being fair 2 the victims here.

I've already heard of a couple of acts of heroism on the news.

Try 2 imagine the difficulty of rushing someone with 2 free hands with 2 guns, at the front of a classroom with rows of desks between you and the gunman. Like running an obstacle course under fire?

-ol' 2long

As I said, if my oldest had attended and been allowed to carry, here is what I know would have happened...

Due to the training I have given him in marksmanship, safety and in tactics, my son would have had the kids in the class barricade themselves as best they could. He would then have taken up an overwatch position and laid in wait for this loser to show up. And as soon as that guy would have rounded the corner, he would have assumed room temperature.

My son also couldnt believe that no one rushed this guy. But I can tell you one thing. I like better shooting one round into that guy, instead of charging unarmed at him!

I'd like a tactical nuke.

-ol' 2long

True, 2Long! The only issue I had is when this guy had some of these kids line up. No way I am going to be lined up...I know what is going to happen next. So do my sons and my daughter. If I line up, he has a staionary target. And I'm dead. If I and others rush him, he has a moving target. And the odds are better that most of us will come out alive.

But again...one bullet by a well trained student or faculty member would have ended this!

Not me. Too hard to clean!

I heard this from a coworker yes2rday at lunch. But I've not heard it on the news. Did this really happen? I haven't watched all the news, so I may have missed it.

-ol' 2long

Praise the Lord. And yes, prayers have been said here for those families and for the wounded.

MM,

Most of us civilians aren't trained to respond to situations like this....when it happens, we have a hard time wrapping our minds around the fact that it is really happening. That is why people freeze....I think there is just utter disbelief swirling around in their heads....who can act when you are trying to come to grips with reality, when you haven't been trained for that?

As if that isn't sad enough, I read in the paper this morning that a sweet little kindergarden girl was killed when the school's flagpole fell on her as her class was outside playing during recess.

I just want to cry today.


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