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Peachy Posted on another thread:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> and this is for Faith4Me:
I do love you hon, but PLEASE DO NOT STATE TO ANY MORE HERE THAT :"I committed sin by getting divorced."

I find that rather offensive and personally wrong. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I discovered an excellent expository on the subject of Divorce, Sin, Adultery, forgiveness on the 'net. Acess here:

ChristianAnswers.Net

In a nutshell:
1.Because divorce is allowed , does not excuse it.
2.Forgiveness is granted when earnestly sought

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So because my XH had committed adultery, which is fornication, lusting, being naked with another woman, and lusting for her. That is a reason for divorce. But in my heart, I do feel I have sinned which I am working on with my pastor. He sees my fears, when I talk to him about this. And yes, divorce was pushed on me. So I did file after abuse.

One needs to realize that after 25 years of marriage, this is hard to comprehend. When I thought my XH would never in his life do anything like this. And then lie to me, and his other woman lie to me, and the husband knew the other woman was lieing to me and didn't protect me. Deceit is hard to handle. When I used to trust this man.

So I am working on myself, and finding answers to ?'s that I have with my pastor, and counseling. As time goes on, I am finding answers. Thanks for the site, I will print it off, when I get to a computer that has a printer. This is something that I will keep with my Bible, so that I can reread the verses, when I am thinking deeply. Thanks.

I will try to refrain from stating the sentence of sin.

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Actually, Faith4Me:

I was defending your right to state what you did:
You are absolutely correct, and it is completely "Biblical". Divorce is sin. Clearly stated in the Bible. Also you did not accuse others of "sin by divorce", you clearly stated that you had sinned in this way. In this way it's pretty much in the category of Original Sin, which we also have no influence over.
Technically, it is a sin because it's a broken promise made before God.

If you wish to refrain from stating it for the sake of others', fine, but you did nothing wrong. You were not stating your own dogma, but in fact echoing that of the Word of God, which is explained really well on the web site I referenced, and backed by the most qualified expositors of the Bible.

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I think the world of both of you and agree, it's wrong...I am very supportive of Faith and her hopefully overcoming the muck and mire her x left her in.

But I was given different advice from the elders of my former church, former pastor, and also my sunday school teachers..and there is a section even in LMBT by Dobson which explains the very few allowances for divorce..

1)I didn't break my vow to God. My xh did. He committed UNREPENTANT ADULTERY. Now if the adulterer tries to come back, then the biblical experts told me that I was to try to work it out as best I could. But he didn't. Ground one for divorce.
2)Spousal Abuse. Both mental and physical. Again, totally unrepentant. This is a slippery slope with my spiritual advisors. However, they believe that today it is much more volatile and when they learned of espcially what had happened to me, they say "file". Ground two.
3)If an unbliever leaves, then let him leave. You are commanded to live in peace. They also told me this as well. Ground 3 if he/she deserts you. He left.

I understand while divorce is something God hates, no debate there, that there are just so me times when one cannot get around having to do the divorce whether they want to or not. I didn't want to, but I had to. Had no other choice. If not, he would have filed immediately and gone after me. Had enough of that btw.

So that's my end of this and yea, I have my faith and it's strong or I wouldn't have made it thus far. But I am not going to debate it any further as I am not a phd in religion or philosophy. I have just the information given by those I trust who know me spiritually and who I also know likewise. I go on that. And if you say that it's a sin you got a divorce without knowing firsthand anything about the other person, I would not personally advise on passing that kind of judgement. I once had somebody tell me that kind of thing in a grocery store and she got it from me. Try to tell that to somebody who's been knocked down two flights of stairs.

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We all have to figure this out for ourselves. And our opinion is what counts. I don't feel good about the divorce, and it is hard to tell people that I am divorced, but it is getting better. I talked to an old friend that I haven't seen for almost 11 years. And she and her husband talked to me, and I told her that XH and I are divorced. WE talked about the issues, and the kids. She and her husband prayed for me and XH on the phone. We had a threesome prayer, and it felt good to have someone that I used to know and do things with pray for us.

I am doing much better today. I did get sore a school tonight. And My daughter the oldest one made a beautiful dinner for my son that turned 18 today. She is a gourmet cook, and made pavilon dessert that was scrumpous, and vegetarian pasta dish, and squash dish, these 2 flavors of egg custards. She loves to try new recipes, and her recipes are wonderful. My son enjoyed the dessert, cause it has a meringue crust, with creamcheese filling mixture on top of the cooked meringue, and then a lot of cut up fruits. It was so pretty and was wonderful. My son didn't want a cake, or icecream. He told me he wanted something fruity. So we looked things up and found this beautiful dessert. He doesn't like really sweet things, so this was perfect for him. The pasta, the first dish he ate everything, then the second helping, he picked out the goat cheese. He was comical.

My daughter has her friend (boy) up here visitng and made this dinner for him. He enjoyed it, and we had wine with the dinner. Like I said, she is a gourmet dinner, and he loves to eat that way too.

Tomorrow is counseling, and well discuss some things with my counselor that are bothering me. My stress level is high, and I had a few bad days with my neck and eye buldging feeling. Tonight, my daughter cracked my back, and my neck is still sore. Can't seem to move it very much, I think all that I did today, with cleaning the house, and studying at school, before class, and then cleaning up after the dinner.

WEll, use my heating pad, and go to sleep. Goodnight

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Justpeachy:

There's absolutely no disagreement whatsoever on the question of allowances for divorce, or indeed the circumstances given under which one is allowed, or for that matter divorcing for any one of a hundred reasons.
There's no disagreement on whether or not one has no alternative other than divorce.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> And if you say that it's a sin you got a divorce without knowing firsthand anything about the other person, I would not personally advise on passing that kind of judgement. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Absolutely, I agree

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I once had somebody tell me that kind of thing in a grocery store and she got it from me. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Can't blame you for that, I might have done the same.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I understand while divorce is something God hates, no debate there, that there are just so me times when one cannot get around having to do the divorce whether they want to or not. I didn't want to, but I had to. Had no other choice. If not, he would have filed immediately and gone after me. Had enough of that btw.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I agree 100% with the above
See? We agree on everything <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
The question of divorce as a sin is strictly a theological one, and not to be imposed on anyone, since it's a matter of personal and spiritual conviction.

Peace out
muzohead


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