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#784099 02/17/05 10:55 PM
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I had some major thoughts about love today. It was Valentines Day this week, and I was in the mood to think about love and what it is.

First, I saw a bunch of couples walking on the mall on Valentines Day, and it made me wonder about why they're together and I'm not with someone. Not in a bummed out way...but in a thoughtful way. Soooo...upon reflecting about it, I think I stumbled upon something. Those people have made time in their life and made ROOM in their life for another person. In my life, I concentrated on getting my life stabilized and getting my kids stabilized and getting my finances stabilized...and somewhere in there I did not save or create room for another person! I made a life for ME, and a life for my KIDS, and a life for my CAREER...but I did not leave or create a life for a partner! I need to work on that.

I can honestly say that I am not looking for an instant LTR--I'm looking for some men with the kind of qualities that I could admire. I don't really honor men who just want a quick roll in the sack...that's not working for me. It may work for THEM, but not me!! I also had a good breakthrough about a month ago that the emotions that I associate with "love" are actually attachment to an unhealthy pattern--for example, I really was very attracted to my exH, and he may have been physically attractive but behaviorally he was abusive...thus I link controlling behavior and "love." Soooo...this time around it is going to feel different than what I'm "used" to, but has the potential to be a much healthier relationship.

Well, there is one fella...we have known each other for two years, we go out and have fun together, we like and admire each other, we enjoy SO many of the same things, we just are friends at the core and he's handsome as all get out! So, it dawned on me that it might be closer to what healthy "love" would be like...deep admiration and respect that goes deeper and further than that even! That was an eye-opening thought--and then it dawned on me that the relationship with this fella is closer to what I really AM looking for: yes, fun and enjoyment, but also a person with qualities and characteristics that I can deeply respect and who looks at me and likes me for who I am and respects me too!!

I'm more of a "one-at-a-timer" and I'm more of a steady, conservative type. I hope to date several men during this year and find a couple whom I can look up to--not just "have fun" with. I suppose I sound kinda boring, but for me, I have fun all the time--it's incorporated into my life and personality--so I'm more about enjoying each others' company.

BTW...did anyone watch the Dr. Phil PrimeTime about dating and body language with that lovely single lady? That opened my eyes to a few new ideas too!! Oh heavens, I need to learn how to flirt!!!


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CJ ---

I just read this, I like the way you put it. I've found over the past couple of years that when I really don't have time for "love" I don't even get an opportunity - want one or not.

At the moment, I'm decidedly too busy to worry about it (among other things) but I do understand the feeling of wishing there was someone to share at least the special moments (good or bad) with, and maybe the wee hours of the morning - cuddle time.

A different kind of relationship.

I've thought about that a lot too. At first, I remember thinking that I just wanted someone to share those moments with, and the longer it goes that I'm *single* the better I enjoy those moments myself. So, maybe, it's more about just finding out what I want and then making room for exactly that in my life.

I think there are a lot of options, and one of those is the one on one friend, that one who is there long enough to know who I am and share my life and allow me to share his - BEFORE we become involved in a romantic relationship.

And of course, my best friend's son ask me to marry him this week. He's five, so I'll have a while to wait before he's old enough to marry. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> It was one of those priceless moments when the tears are falling and this little guy has a heart of gold. He didn't want me to be without a valentine... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

I feel loved - what do I need with a man in my life. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

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CJ,

Hey, call me, if you can. I cannot find your number anywhere.

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I too have been wondering lately about how much my background and expectations have influenced my ability to identify someone as a suitable mate.

In my case, my concern is not whether I may be attracted only to someone with characteristics of an abuser, but whether I may find attractive only someone who is too preoccupied with her own pursuits to invest much of herself in a relationship. Admittedly a sample set of two is a bit too small to permit firm conclusions, but I'm not sure it's wise for me to dismiss the possibility of there being some significance to the fact that this does seem - on the surface - to be a shared characteristic of the only women I've ever been seriously interested in.

If there is some significance to this "coincidence," it suggests that I may have a fear of receiving love. And it is tempting to find support for that interpretation from the additional fact that my greatest source of frustration in dealing with my persistent "unrequited love" situation does not derive from my desire to be loved myself, but rather from my desire to express love. In other words, I spend very little time thinking about how nice it would be if my friend-who-just-wants-to-be-a-friend loved me, but I do spend probably too much time wishing I could tell her what I really see in her and what a difference she has made in my life. (I'm not the kind of guy who gets tired of saying "I love you.") Even my therapist suggested some years back (when I was still married) that perhaps my ex-wife had married me because in our premarital history I had demonstrated that I was "safe" - that I wouldn't try to force my way past her boundaries and demand a greater level of intimacy than she was comfortable with.

Am I fooling myself? Am I really running from love and romanticizing the out-of-reach-princess-on-a-pedestal so that I don't have to risk intimacy? Am I accepting her boundaries because I am secretly glad of them but unwilling to take responsibility for those boundaries myself?

I feel guilty. Here I am, a prime "catch" - on paper at least - with a stable professional career, with talents and brains and reasonably good looks, and with a not inordinate amount of baggage. My friends - my unmarried female friends! - have pointed out to me that there is not exactly a bumper-crop of single Christian men around - at least not those who actually live according to what they profess to believe - while there are so many women (particularly "older" women of my age and above) who are out there lamenting their dismal prospects for finding a good man.

Shouldn't I be doing something about that? Shouldn't I be doing my part to make some hard-pressed lonely woman happy? I know I've got the makings of a great husband, with better-than-average marriage skills. And here I am saying I want kids while there are so many single mothers out there who might really benefit from "having a man around the house."

But what am I doing instead? I'm still stuck in this foolish obsession over one woman who shows no signs of ever being "interested" in me. Worse, she's young enough (technically) to be my daughter, thus confirming the complaints of all those women who claim that the few good men who haven't already been "taken" are off chasing younger women.

It just seems like such a stupid waste.

Of course, I would feel a lot worse about it if I thought there was anything I could really do about it. And perhaps I would feel worse if so many of those unmarried female friends of mine who had pointed out the dearth of Christian men weren't somehow managing one-by-one to find them anyway. And I might actually take my feelings seriously if even one woman in my life other than my ex-wife - who had never dated anyone but me (and then did so only after a reasonably lengthy friendship) - had ever revealed the slightest bit of romantic interest in me.

Ironic, isn't it? Me feeling guilty about not sharing myself when I apparently haven't got anything anyone wants anyway... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

It's a premature conclusion, I realize, although it plays nicely into my insecurities. I have a lot of confidence in my character, but not much at all in my social aptitude. Do I talk too much? Do I laugh too loudly? Do I come across as a know-it-all? Heck, do I part my hair the wrong way!?

Or, following the theory that what women say they want - sensitivity, honesty, and respect - is not what actually attracts them, am I just one of those guys who is forever destined to be seen only as a friend while they set their sights on the losers and jerks?

Again, my only comfort is that there doesn't seem to be anything I can do about it. As long as I know something is out of my hands, I do a much better job of trusting God to take care of the situation.

In the meantime I'm not willing to stop being sensitive and honest and respectful. I'm going to keep trying to work on my social skills, although I know I will never have the social magnetism of...well, for example, of the woman I'm so interested in.

And I'm going to continue trying to keep my heart and eyes open. Since the time of my divorce, I have met many women whom I respect and admire. Some I'm pretty sure I could fall in love with if I allowed myself to do so. With others I think it might be possible. But every time I consider whether I should try to pursue something in that direction, I ask myself whether this is someone I could see myself living with day by day without going nuts - whether this is someone whose goals and lifestyle preferences I would enthusiastically support - whether this is someone whom I think would make a really good co-parent with me - whether this is someone whom I feel I can understand, but who nevertheless constantly surprises and delights me - whether this is someone whose strengths and weaknesses would balance and complement mine.

I don't see how I can pursue a relationship with any woman unless I can answer all those questions positively with regard to her. And while my ability to imagine living with someone may be limited by my past experiences, most of the other questions are less problematic in that regard. And no matter how many angles I have used to approach these questions, the fact remains that only one woman I know (leaving my ex-wife out the picture if you don't mind) comes anywhere close to meeting all my criteria - and she meets them all in shocking abundance.

I simply cannot believe that I am "running" from love" just because I am not willing to settle for less. It doesn't have to be her, but I believe God has at least used her to show me that what I want in a wife is not an impossible ideal. I do not think I am over-romanticizing or putting this woman on a pedestal. I know very well that she's not perfect, and I've been told that she can be hard to live with (by those who have lived with her). I laughed at that, because I had a pretty good idea what they meant, and I pointed out that I'd learned a lot during my marriage about what sort of things I could adapt to, whether more or less easily, and I knew what it was like to be married to a high-maintenance woman. I am under no illusion that a relationship with this woman would be easy; I just know that it would be oh so worth the work.

Which is kind of my point. Marriage is hard work, and if I'm going to make that kind of effort, it had better be for something I really want, because I like my freedom and independence. I'm not going to marry someone unless I believe all the way to the core of my being that building that relationship is more valuable to me than anything else in this world.

I am not afraid of intimacy; I'm just picky. In fact, the same therapist who suggested that my ex-wife had married me because she perceived me as "safe" also pointed out that she was wrong: what she was seeing was "gentleness" (to use his word), and it did not stop me from repeatedly pursuing intimacy with her, which in the end she feared more than she craved.

I don't know what God is going to do in my life, but right now I can only keep trying to grow in the ways He shows me, keep my heart and eyes as open as possible for any unanticipated opportunities He may bring my way, and accept the fact that for now I am stuck with being "in love" with a woman who shows no sign that she will ever reciprocate those feelings.

I just wish she wasn't so beautiful...


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