... cmiranda. But, I will very rationally tell you why.

I read this board for a long time before I actually posted. I saw many of the types of fighting that has gone on recently. There were sometimes disagreements among the members. But, nothing compared to the wars that resulted once cmiranda came on this board.

She seemed to make comments that INCITE everyone. Eventually, the majority of the names that I knew and respected left this board. They were replaced by newbies seeking help. But cmiranda NEVER responds to newbies.

As far as I can tell, she does not offer help to anyone. She only comes to point fingers. When there is no controversy on the board she is not interested. She has basically ruined this board for many people, me included.

We live in a democratic society, but this is not a public forum. If people who legitimately need help are being driven away because of the actions of 1 or 2 -- the 1 or 2 should be decent enough to leave the others alone.

CMiranda does not even share anything about her marriage and none of us believe that she has told her husband anything about the origin of his child. We all know what a heart-wrenching experience that was for each of us to go through -- finding out about the OC. Yet, CMiranda would have us believe that she told her H, he is fine with it and their life is going on happy and dandy.

For the rest of us, why can't we simply make a pact that when she writes something intended to cause a fight, WE WILL NOT RESPOND. That may be the only way to save this board. Because right now, it is being ruined beyond repair.

I would prefer to see Catnip, Jenny, Gemini, Unsure, Unhappy Wife, Zebra, CD, Heavenly, Ohbratti, BTDT, Tigger, and scores of other oldies back on this board. I am sure that the oldies would come back if it were not for the incessant haranguing and picking fights.

On the other well known board, they kick people off and censor their messages if they write anything that offends the OW. I think this board should be split between WSs and BSs, that way the same principle could apply here.

All I know is that my healing process has been seriously stilted because of the fighting. Like many of the other posters, I have not been able to share this problem with family and friends, so this board was the ONLY outlet for my pain and the only place to gain some insight about the road ahead.

marie

[Edited to make this post less offensive and to correct an error in judgement]

<small>[ July 12, 2003, 11:06 PM: Message edited by: marieluvsrich ]</small>

MARIE
You know I came to this board as ws , I do have a child born from an affair, and while you dont like or approve of that, I came here because I wanted her to have the best life ever, I thought it would help my husband and my self learn to deal with this , handling visitation, handling the uncomfortable stuff that goes on. I soon found out, There werent many if any people like me or handling this the way I do. But I have found some great ways to handle things and it has worked. For all four of us, not just my husband and myself.
Your right I do things different and your right, being involved with om an a regualr basis is hard and causes problems at times. However I am a wife and mother, and i do believe that some not all, mb principles are helpful in any relationship. [comment removed because it offends flowerseed. ] By the way I didnt say he was right just gave his opinion. Does your husband participate.

I have learned lots from a few betrayed spouses one in particular has helped me more than you would ever know.
I do take offense to some of the hatefullness that goes on and that would go for both sides, Your right you dont have to respond or even speak to me, I am not here to make your life miserable, it is a shame that we can not all communicate with out hurt feelings, but as stacia has pointed out we are all different and dealing with different situations, and yes just as you get offended so do I, I am human, it is only natural.
Now you can request every day that the mods remove me, and if they wish they can do that.

I am here for my self and yes to offer some help, because every once in a while there is gonna be someone who does have a situation they have to deal with like mine, and may need to see how it can work.. It isnt for every one but it isnt against the marriage builder principles either.. why you may ask. Because my husband and my self agree 100 percent on what we do together and have learned to handle things with great ease. It is so amazing to have a discussion with out hurt feelings, we are closer , more together, and honest with each other.

Now almost four years ago when this first started, every one was angry, frustrated, scared out of our minds, but we have long since moved past all that, the anger does go away and life does go on.
My husband was a serial cheater, for the first time in my life, I dont worry when he is away, I just miss him. For the first time in my life I am not angry or bitter towards all the women he had and and all the women who came after him.
I still have a passing thought, but I dont get upset, we have truly moved forward. So for those who think it isnt possible it is.

Now as far as the discussion of late, we have had far worse here and most move past them, I dont thinkit is one persons fault or point fingers, I think it is becasue this is emotional for all of us , and we all have different feelings.

So I dont know about you, but freedom of speech is a pretty good thing, and I learn alot from discussions, But it is your choice not to answer. It wont prevent me from posting something when I feel I have something to say. So if that is the goal, You probably should start writing those letters. But I can imagine how boring if the only people your willing to converse with are the ones who only agree with you..
My intentions are to help my self and maybe help a few others. You dont have to like it, you dont have to agree.
I am not asking you to.

But please feel free to do as you need.
Being here or not being here, isnt going to change my views or life. It is what we make it, and I like my life.
momof5

One more thing your right once again, what I do isnt right for everyone, bUt what you do isnt right for every one either... every one is different, doesnt make me bad, just cause I am different. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

almost done

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I would never subject my H to the constant reminder of an xOM -- simply because it is not in my personality to do that nor in his to accept that.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I dont throw om in my husbands face, we have all work moving past what happened and work for the good of our daughter. My husband is now a more involved partner than when I first came to this site, He trust me and we spend all our free time together, something we didnt do in the past. How can that be bad.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

<small>[ July 12, 2003, 01:38 PM: Message edited by: mom of five ]</small>

marieluvsrich,
I think what you have just said alot of us have been feeling. Just got to ignore the crap <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

Momo5, Its comments like ( I practice them even though my husband says every one here is a nut, Not true but it is his opinion so he doesnt participate.) Is what gets you disrespect.

Its like saying here little girl eat this ice cream cone even though its full of steel wool.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />
with love flowerseed

<small>[ July 12, 2003, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: flowerseed ]</small>

by catnip

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The hard road, the most difficult road is for the Wayward Spouse by facing the consequences and making right the wrongs, making amends and doing what is necessary to save the marriage. The easy way out is leaving and starting fresh with someone else or on their own. But, most here choose to do the hardest thing in the world...to fix things. Now, THAT is something to respect.

No one can sit in judgment of us or our choices or our spouses' choices because what happens in our lives have nothing to do with anyone else nor is their opinion of any substance to us, nor should it be. The whole reason for this site is for all injured parties with special circumstances (OC) to have a place to go to be able to say anything in the world they want, without judgment, without rancor.

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">This describes me and Your husbands who are wayward spouses as well. SO if thats the case and these are not just words. Then what have I donE that is so bad. I made right my wrongs and fixed things. and worked damn hard to save my marriage and did.
Does it matter that much how I did it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

OK I AM DONE I SAID WHAT I HAD TO SAY, I AM OFF TO ENJOY MY SAT.

<small>[ July 12, 2003, 01:30 PM: Message edited by: mom of five ]</small>

DONT feel bad flower seed he says I am a nut for reading any of this, However he has learned fromt he site its self just not the board.

By the way You dont have to respect me, I didnt ask you to, I could go though a whole list of ugly comments that make me not respect some on this site. Take it with a grain of salt, do you have to be so sensitive to pick every single word apart.

<small>[ July 12, 2003, 01:35 PM: Message edited by: mom of five ]</small>

mom5,
I think you missed the point. This was about intentions. When you and cm stick comments in like that and save the poor oc bla bla bla every other word is what I was referring to. This site is to save marriages not the oc. You didnt bother me I was trying to make a point.

I probly should have said instead of respect these comments make people question your intentions.

Is it to build a marrige or save the children <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

I think because you and cm always come on strong together, I tend to group the two of you together. Ill try not to.
Flowerseed

I am A mom , I cant help wanting my D to be happy and have the best of everything, and you know what, that little girl has brought me and my husband together, and I believe helped to save my marriage.

So for me it is about saving my marriage and making sure my kiddos are taking care of , we are a family... I dont see any one raving about the male ws's saving their marriage and worrying over the children in their marriage, well all my children including the one of om, is in my family. THEY are the same in our family how am I supposed to think of her as different, she isnt.

Doesnt that make sense <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> Just from my point of view as a wife and mother in my situation.

I dont mind you lumping me with cm, I tend to lump all of the bs in a group as well. Bad habit I suppose.
I dont see how insulting cm and I, is saving your marriage and I dont think that is your intentions or those on here who rant about it so much, You want the freedom to scream and yell about the person who effected your marriage the most and who is effecting it now, well In my life om and his wife are the ones who effect it the most so why cant I rant about them, heck he is just as guilty as me, so Why would I not be free to recieve support for that problem <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

So I saved my marriage and what I have done has worked for me, So I am a success story for saving my marriage, whats so bad about that, we are about saving our marriage.. By the way If I had given my child away, or aborted, I would not have saved my marriage, because My loss and anger over doing so would have made me resent my husband ten times what his affairs did to me.
SO for me and me only saving my poor OC BLAH BLAH BLAH was the only way.

This site is for support of people dealing with this issues of a child born of an affair..ok so I meet that criteria , this site is for ws, bs who are trying to fix their marriage...ok I meet that one I am a bs and a ws, so I covered both.
cm covers them both as well. You may not understand me, but you havent been on both sides and you dont know what my life was like before I had the affair, or what led me up to it. You dont make the same choices as me because you havent lived my life, like I havent yours. So I dont make the same choices as you, You dont like my choices I am not crazy about yours, I hear regualarly how wrong my choices are, But am not entittled to say how wrong I think yours are...
To be honest we both made choices based on whats best for our marriage and our family. I hear over and over how the bs and ws is thinking of their family and marriage and that is why they have no contact, well I was thinking of my family and my marriage and that is why we have contact that we do. I never said it was perfect, I just said it is working for us and we will continue to work with it. But I am not angry over it and I am happy with the decision we made.

Remember as gem said these decisions are not made lightly. We put great thought and time and effort and based them on what would work for our marriage and what would work for our children.

As any couple would do... I would say that was pretty normal wouldnt you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Everyone you have been royally duped. CMiranda is really Bee on TOW, and to answer your questions, her H is being hoodwinked into believing that the child they are raising is his. He was never told the child was not his. She comes here to stir up trouble. This woman is all OW and her true intentions are to hurt people who have been wronged and try to make people who dont open their arms to the embarrasment that an OC brings feel guilty

Momof5,

I was very angry when I started this thread. I am guilty of the same thing that flowerseed said -- I lump you and CMiranda together and I should avoid doing that. You are 2 different people with your own situations and views. But, you must admit that you jump to her defense whenever she writes anything, so it sometimes makes me think of the two of you as a pair.

You belong here just as much as anyone else if you are rebuilding your marriage. I know that you have a very rought history with your H and I am very happy that HE is making things right for you.

I find it odd that you would say I don't approve of your having an OC. Sorry to say, you don't know me. There is nothing I wanted more than to help my H parent his OC. But the child's mother would not have it. She wanted my H or nothing at all. So, unfortunately for the child, she got nothing.

Regardless of how people who cheat like to think of marriage. It is the joining of two people as one. Therefore, when an OC comes into the picture there are not TWO parents -- there are THREE. The husband and wife are part of the same person. All three must make the decisions for that child. If the Other Person cannot accept that, they should have thought about that before creating a child with a married person.

I commend you for what you are doing. I meant it from my heart -- I could not. It is not that you throw the xOM in your H's face. But, I would not want to sit in polite company with my H and another man that I was intimate with during my marriage. I just find that to be an incredibly awkward situation. Oddly enough, I don't have the same problem with my H's ex-OW. But, I am old-fashioned and I think that men and women handle the situation differently. Men's egos are sometimes bruised more easily.

You have answered me from time to time and given me honest and helpful advice. Therefore, I apologize for my rash post. I should have thought things through a bit more. Your posts only become a problem when you are supporting CMiranda. But, I must say that I recognize you are here to help all the time -- not just to fan the fires. So, if I hurt your feelings, I am truly sorry.

I edited my post above to reflect the reality -- CMiranda is the problem, not you.

It is best that I retreat from this board because I am simply not getting what I need from it anymore.

Best regards to all,
marie

marieluvsrich do not retreat from here. Your situation is similar to mine.

We stopped any further contact when ow would not accept me in the mix also. We only saw oc a few hours when he was first born and that visit was set up in our "no longer a priest going to trial next year" office.

Ow acted nice in front of priest but when we brought oc home she called my H's cell and went off... I STILL called her from our newly set up "Ow phone line" and she had a pis* match with me saying "You are not the mother and will never be. Have his father call me if he wants to see him...I don't care if he's your husband! He and I are the parents...I'm going to set up visits in my home only!(and she did) He spent time here before and he damn will again if he wants his baby! Why are you threatened? Because I'm younger and far more beautiful than you? "

marieluvsrich my H began to despise what she was doing. OH! There has been close to two years of wildness. A prosecutors letter finally prevented her from calling H's cell, H's office, sending me or H letters, pictures via mail, pulling in our driveway leaving gifts in our mailbox for H. It goes on and on.

Now please stay and know we want you here and will try to help.

Do not leave because of the bashing we get from unremorseful OW. Or because of statements or comments made by someone not in your situation. OK?
MO5 thanks for the reference to what I said.

You also said to me, maybe you tried maybe you didn't....see my post above <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> .

When you make statements about YOUR situation and how OM would love to have things like they used to be and that he is still lying to his wife, I think most women BS read that in horror and think they could never entertain the possibility of doing things as you and your H are.

Obviously there is too much personal talk still between you and om no matter how innocent you think it is. But hey, if your H is OK with that who am I to question anything.

However well meaning you intend to be it still reminds us of ow stuff and I know you know that.

Not meant to start another war but please don't defend CM any longer and expect to gain respect from anyone here.

XXX
Debi

OK, we don't see CMiranda here defending herself. I too have wondered why she's here---she's not usually participating on either the giving or receiving of MB advice. The one instance where she was being encouraged to tell her H about her affairs---she's used all the angry responses here to say "this is why you shouldn't be honest...".

MO5, on the other hand, is completely different. I have seen a ton of participation here from her regarding her working on her marriage (even if H hasn't bought in... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> ). She has made different choices then almost everyone else here, but I don't see her as being disingenuous or a trouble maker. In fact, she has a pretty good handle on things MB and gives reasonable advice.

If CMiranda offends you, I would suggest that you either ignore her, or ask Tempest to ban her.

There is a mentality here that is akin to a war zone that thrives on blaming and like a war zone in only causes more pain and suffering for those already experiencing it. If the ego's were kept outside the forum and the flow of problem solving ideas allowed in, then you'd see a different forum than the one that exists right now.

First I dont have a clue if cm is Bee on The other board. I think when she has time she will speak for herself.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> When you make statements about YOUR situation and how OM would love to have things like they used to be and that he is still lying to his wife, I think most women BS read that in horror and think they could never entertain the possibility of doing things as you and your H are.

Obviously there is too much personal talk still between you and om no matter how innocent you think it is. But hey, if your H is OK with that who am I to question anything.

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Gem this is reality, and unfortunately something we have to deal with, If I sugar coat every thing exactly how does that help me or any one else. I cant help if om has not told his wife the truth and still makes up stuff, he will buy stuff for d and then bring it by and ask myself or husband not to mention it. He tells her he hasnt checked on d when he has called every day. I guess he is playing a game with her. I dont know. But it doesnt mean your husband is, just cause this man is. Your right it isnt a perfect situation, but those are his problems not mine, I how ever have learned to tell my husband every thing, we have learned radical honesty although sometimes neither of us like it. You forget my husband and om now have a working relationship, and talk more than I speak to om. I do speak with om on a regular basis , I guess I could ignore him and make exchanges hateful and make my daughter feel she did something wrong, Because thats what I would think it would do, so instead we make exchanges and say yeah she did this today, or her favorite food is this, Please dont forget to sask her if she needs to potty.. Normal stuff I guess all parents make when they exchange children.
We also made a promise that the four of us would work our buts off to do this maturely for daughter. She deserves it. For instance his wife called me the other day to ask a favor a big favor, one that I wasnt crazy about doing, but one that was not a bad thing or hurtfull for my daughter.. I only didnt want to do it, because I am not always comfortable with her. But did I yell or scream or call her names. NO I said, Well I am not crazy about it, but I will trust your judgement and I guess it is ok for you to do that... Now It was special and important to her, not me, I had the right legally to say ,No you cant, But I didnt.
I am sorry Gem If you say you tried Then I shouldnt have said you might not have, I havent seen post that say what you did to try I dont know. I probably get moody as well at times.

Now for those reading I do not tell the truth about my situation to hurt you or make fun of you, it is my situation, and while you or others cringe cause om i so involved in our lives and that of our child. I am sorry but it is how it is, and it is not a reflection on you or your spouse. I am sorry he still lies to his wife, but he will have to answer to her for that it isnt my place, And it does happen, but it doesnt mean it is happening to your spouse or your husband.

I read about affairs and the things these men do, Hey I have been on the recieving end of all this before, I have played the bs role more times than most on this site and wouldnt wish it on any one.
But In time it goes away and trust is restored but not with out working your butt off.
My husband is away alot now on business. OM arranged with my husband to only pick up daughter when he is away so neither of them miss time... But I meet him in public and take an older child with me, what is so wrong with that, it prevents being alone, it prevents others from seeing him at my house. [wrong impression] <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Unremorseful

Thats a big word Gem, I am remorseful if I wasnt I would not have worked it out with my husband. although I wasnt as much at first 4 years ago, I was angry and hurt by all the damage he had done and wondered why he was freaking out since he had hurt me for so many many years. <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />

I think we both have a new understanding of each other now. I know we are happy now, and thats something I wouldnt change. If you remember I had a dday after I started posting here. He had done it once again. How ever we worked through it and things are really good. and seeing how we all know I have a big mouth <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> you better believe it was hard for me not to LB.

You dont have to respect me, you dont have to even like me. I Just have a bad habit of saying it like I see it. It is my personality, a flaw some would say, [including my husband and om] I say it is just me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

K

Thank you, I appreciate the vote of confidence.
By the way You dont know my husband so it is hard for you to understand, But we have truly had an amazing transformation.
Gem
I know it bothers you that I dont hate om, and that we dont fight very often, but he is an active partner in raisng our child, I have to find a way to work this out.
I screwed up enough I dont want it worse for my daughter.

as Mothers we sometimes get offended by remarks or ways people mention a child. It is hard for myself and cm and probably a few others to deal with that and as TMCM has mentioned our egos get in the conversation. I am guilty of that as we all are.

Hubby comes home this week and we are going on a trip. If we can decide which theme park they want to attend, the joys of 5 kids every one wants something different. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> The joys of summer

<small>[ July 13, 2003, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: mom of five ]</small>

MO5 I didn't mean YOU when I said unremorseful.

I just wanted you to know that sometimes when you question what I've done in the past with regards to oc, I feel like you think I'm lying is all.

You know I've spoken to you personally and wish only the best for all of you.

Sometimes your words just remind me of ones I've heard before.
XXX
Debi

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Enlightenment411:
<strong>Everyone you have been royally duped. CMiranda is really Bee on TOW, and to answer your questions, her H is being hoodwinked into believing that the child they are raising is his. He was never told the child was not his. She comes here to stir up trouble. This woman is all OW and her true intentions are to hurt people who have been wronged and try to make people who dont open their arms to the embarrasment that an OC brings feel guilty</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Duped? I doubt it... We can spot people who are sincerely trying to build their marriage into an affair-proof state. I'm not saying we will all be perfect or do a Perfect Plan A without occasional Love Busting.

Posting on MB Preg/Child forum is also not about kissing people's butts, but just being a little open and receptive to each other's questions and being able to own the mistakes we have made. There are broken hearts here as well as contrite spirits and God will help us all heal. Being honest with ourselves is the first step toward that mutual goal of healing.

What is so funny is when you try to make a point, she doesn't even "get it." That's what is so insidious about deception. A WS living a double life can trick themselves into believing the lie! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

mo5, I doubt if it bothers anyone that you don't hate your xOM. We're not about hate here, most of us are believers seeking to save and protect our marriages from affairs. Your way is your way. I respect your honesty but I cannot respect arguing and accusing and I have done my share so I'm not saying I'm perfect. It's just not productive here, we gotta admit that much.

Mo5 wrote: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hubby comes home this week and we are going on a trip. If we can decide which theme park they want to attend, the joys of 5 kids every one wants something different. The joys of summer </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Mo5, I'm just now learning what it's like to be a twiisted M05....and I'm discovering what you mean...everyone wants something different! Ain't that the truth! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

I'm sure I'm in for a treat when they get older...ay yi yi!

Hugs,
Twiisty

I went to the other board and there were quite a few posts by "Bee", including a very long one about the fighting on this board over the comments made in CD's post. Hmmmmm.....

The style of writing looked very much like CMiranda, and the content and words were very similar. "Bee" seemed to be obsessed with the abandonment of children.

I think that Enlightenment might be on to something.

Gem -- thanks for your kind words. I am going to try to stick with the board. Your situation sounds very similar to mine. The ex-OW wanted my H to visit with her and the child alone. She would call him late and tell him that she had an emergency and ask him to come and babysit the child because it was too late to get her out of bed to bring her to our house. She would stay out until 1 or 2 in the morning and then tell him, he could "spend the night" there was no need to go home so late.

So many games and ploys -- you would not believe. I read about your H's ex-OW shouting at you in a public place. We had a scene like that also where she was talking loud about "their child" and that she at least could produce a child (I have infertility problems). That was actually the last straw for my H, who told me that he would never ever subject me to such a scene again. From that moment, he stopped contact.

The ex-OW then cried, begged, complained, cajoled but my H told her that he made a terrible mistake when he had an affair. He tried to make it right by helping with the child, but if she was not adult enough to handle the fact that he was married and staying married, then he would not be able to be in the child's life.

He sends support money but that's it.

She even had the nerve to tell my H that the OC might be the only child he'll ever have since I wasn't giving him any. He told her that he would rather spend a lifetime with me alone than deal another day with her just because of the child.

I am hoping that one day things will cool down and we will be able to resume contact. We were willing to take this child into our lives and love her. I think I was more heartbroken than my H over the no contact.

We have been trying different types of treatments for infertility and I hope that we will have our own child one day. We are also going to start looking into adoption.

Thanks, Gem, for sharing your story and encouraging me to stay.

All the best,
marie

twisty

It doesnt get to bad untill they all make plans before asking mom and dad if they have any plans, TEENS <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> I have three at home now, You should see the fights over the phone. Incredible <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Hubby comes home and sits and wonders where all the noise came from, AAAAHHH Must be nice to get a mini vacation every time you go to work... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> I am so jealous

And you know it is never just 5 we always have two or three friends thrown in the mix. I cant remember how old your children are but wait till you have the slumber parties and have to keep the boys from scaring the girls and vise versa..Dont ever go to sleep first <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> . 12 teenage girls is a long night.

On the bright side I have a wonderful support system and loads of family who always help out when needed.

OK Gem
I should say I sometimes have a hard time believing some of the things that happen because it seems so incredible to me, I dont do the things you say these women did and I cant imagine doing them, I dont call om for help with my children, infact I get fussed at because I forget to call, after all, I have taken care of her since day one, I dont need the help and forget I should be courteous and call if she is sick, Now when she has gone to the hospital, he knew, he came and visited in the evenings and his wife came once and sat with her, so I could run home and shower and come back up, I had been living there, and needed to check on home and kids. I had family who could but it made them feel good to do it, so I said ok, This was early in all this mess.

But I dont use my daughter to get to om, and I guess when I hear statements like that I take offense as I WOULD never do something like that. I find it hard to believe someone would yet I know it must be so.
But I feel sometimes when things are said I am made to feel as if all women who have a child with om are this way and it just isnt so. So I am sorry if I made you feel that way. I guess I am sensitive as well.

as far as the other board goes why does anyone care whos who thats the whole point of this and other boards, beside cm is outspoken as I am and I am sure she would be happy to give her opinion openly. But you are worng she is not in a relationship with married man and she is working on her marriage.

<small>[ July 13, 2003, 09:55 PM: Message edited by: mom of five ]</small>

marieluvsrich,
Thanks!! Stay here....

MO5 Yet another incredible thing has happened....Italian fest at OUR NEW CHUURCH!! Son was handcuffed and ow's H just left after throwing a glass of wine on son in front of wife/ grandmother / daughter...I am sick... Ow called H as uaual...H hung up... we just made yet another police report....too much,,,tell you all at a later date...

XXX to ALL!!!
Debi

<small>[ July 13, 2003, 10:20 PM: Message edited by: gemini1 ]</small>

Mo5 you are correct, CMiranda/Bee is not now in an affair with her MM. The two of them have never been caught, and when her MM told her that he was not leaving his wife, she finally gave up. That is why she is so full of rage.

She became pregnant by MM leaving the husband to think it is his child all along. The two of them never came clean with their spouses. She thought that if she did not bust MM regarding the illegitimate child, he would be more filling to be with her in the future-- turns out her plan did not work. Now she has a son by an MM, whose husband thinks it is his child. So much time has passed that the courts would consider this child her husbands and she has no chance of establishing paternity or getting child support for her MM. She blames EVERYTHING on MMs wife (who knows nothing of her husbands affair and subsequent child with her) and that is why she is so hateful. She lashes out at individuals who have decided to go NC with an OC because the rage that is contained in her over this, cannot be directed at the proper person, her MM.

She is only working on her marriage because the life with MM she envisioned is never going to be, so in her mind, she will just keep what she has cause it is better than nothing.

Her presence here is to hurt and deceive. How can she be honest with everyone here, when she is, to this very day, deceiving her husband. Go read her posts on TOW and you will agree. I am waiting for CMiranda to reappear and claim she was on vacation or sick and that is why she did not respond right away.