giovanna,

as I was lurking through these boards, your thread caught my eyes and I just cannot beleive how much of a selfish, immature crying baby you are.

Do you know that there are people who wish to get married and want a man to have their child but never have the chance to meet any man at all? Even if they are 32-33-34-35? And will probably will never get married no matter how hard they pray God?

And there you are, having a husband who loves you and wants to have you baby and you still find the means to whine over a board where other people come for real problems???

I just want to tell you that you are just an immature and very selfish woman. It's sad to see people such as you using public boards to twist the knife in other people's wounds like this.

Truely pathetic.

I don't believe that she is "whining" as you call it. We all have our own crosses to bear, whose to say how we bear them is right or wrong. This forum is for venting our feelings and getting support. IMO anyway.

Jennaleblanc wrote:I just want to tell you that you are just an immature and very selfish woman. It's sad to see people such as you using public boards to twist the knife in other people's wounds like this.

WHOA NELLY!!!!!! I think you are way off base here.

Gio is not twisting the knife in ANYONE'S wounds.(that's what trolling STOW's do!)

IT is a real part of recovery in a marriage when the H (or any FWS), after their own infidelity, start to want another child w/ their spouse.

IT is a BIG deal to think over. That is gio's point. Now, AFTER her H got another woman pg-he wants to have a baby w/ her.

This is a SERIOUS issue. Unlike a child produced UNEXPECTEDLY due to infidelity-------------this child-if there is to be one------is being thought over & PLANNED for.

IT is NOT an issue to be taken lightly.
After an OC is born, there is a huge financial responsiblity as well that was not previously budgeted for-another issue to consider in whether or not to have more children.

Do you see how that works?

There are many issues involved in planning to have a child or not & even more when that child is born AFTER an A in a marriage.

Gio is NOT being selfish-unless you consider taking care of yourself & making sure having a baby is really right for you & that baby will be born into a stable, intact 2 parent home, 'selfish'.

Having an A, getting pg unexpectedly & having a child w/o a father------------THAT is selfish.
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Take your issue up somewhere else.
I think you really misunderstood her point.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> And there you are, having a husband who loves you and wants to have you baby and you still find the means to whine over a board where other people come for real problems??? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Um, okay. I know darn well why you signed up and made post #1 to me, I can probably guess who you are, even! However, I will entertain your post, just because it is not in my nature to let things like this go- just cause you are an ignorant specimen.

I can't tell you #1 (silly woman).. when the last time was that *I* came and posted one of my MARITAL (and COMMON marital issues, at that) here. 99% of the time I am here trying any way possible to reach out to, and comfort people here who are dealing with things that are horrid, and that I have pressed through.

Okay, onto the next funny:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I just want to tell you that you are just an immature and very selfish woman. It's sad to see people such as you using public boards to twist the knife in other people's wounds like this </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">err.. Do you know what SELFISH is? SELFISH is someone who lays down and creates a baby BEFORE seeking out the advise of her homies who have been there first. SELFISH and IMMATURE is a female who does not use birth control to proect herself from predators cause she is horny (umm... the male species- sorry mens)... IMMATURE is being so goo-goo-gaa-gaa over someone that you would throw all reason and cautin to the wind cause you are again, horny or insecure for a man to "want your baby"... awe how cute it is!! Being left alone to care for a baby, cause a man was either married, or (obviously) immature, selfish and oh, horny. SELFISH is bringing a child WILLINGLY AND WANTONLY into a situaion where there is not full security with the relationship, no real commitment or only words to back up the commitment (um, cause folks get horny)... IMMATURE is screwing ANYONE who is KNOWINGLY or EVEN POSSIBLY screwing another and just saying OH WELL.... SELFISH is bringing a child into the world cause "It would be so cute and neat-o to have a baby with "Mr. Playa-playa-I-can't-really-have-you-all-like-that-so-lets-have-a-cute-baby-and-it-will-be-ALL-GOOD"....

I mean, honey, I could go on and on with these points.

Love and Marriage and Baby does not mean SECURITY AND LOVE-FEST. Are you kidding me?

I am a DIVA. Yep. I deserve the DIVA status that I claim. I gave up my art career, my youth, my ssanity, to raise a child at BARELY 18- because that was my duty. I went to college and make good money to support my boy (with extras) with 147.00 per month child support for 14 years. I ALSO spent the best years of my "younger" years protecting and hiding sex, drugs and SPRINGER realities to my boy. And THEN I ALSO rode out the death of my sweetie-sweet dream of marriage and traditional family that was rocked by HUSBANDS gone wild. I ALSO have humbled myself. I also have fought like the solider that I am. I also took in stepchildren who now, actually prefer me---------- TO THEIR OWN MOTHER BECAUSE I LOVE THEM LIKE something they have NEVER experieced.

And here I am... on a message board.... asking the advice of MARRIED WOMEN who I TRUST AND ADORE.....for advice about MARRIED PEOPLE'S DILLEMAS. Wow.. what a selfish B*TCH I am!??

You must not be married. You must not have been destroyed and re-built by infidelity. You must not have a grip on the real, adult world If you were, you'd see, that this is a HUGE DECISION to make amongst married couples, and a HUGE concern of married couples (to have or not to have a baby)... because you obviously feel having a child should be taken lightly... you obviously feel that someone "saying" they want to have a baby with you is in itself, an act of love and promise,... that is is neat and cool and should be dictated by one of the MARRIED couple.

Being married, let alone being the easy, jaded, desperate for a baby/love OW, is NOT the grounds or the reason to have a baby.... bringing another LIFE into this world should always be carefully analyzed, questioned,and considered because the truly selfLESS part is making sure that what YOU accept is GOOD for an innocent SWEET CHILD who DEPDENDS on its mom, or future MOM, to have some D*MED SENSE, WOMAN.

I spend my days working, cleaning, cooking, being a wife and a mom to not just my ONE bio son, but to my stepchildren and EVERY darned kid in neighborhood...I have NOT more than a minute or two, since I was 17, to be the DIVA-FIED-DIVA that I am... and NOW I'm selfish because 14 years and 80,000 Kids and Co., later-- I MAY want to wear stricktly PRADA and not POO??

PA-LEASE..... you are the poo that Winney poo's out. You are a HATER and JEALOUS biaaaaach who sees something wrong with a DIVA-FIED-DIVA who has sacrificed EVERYTHING for the good of a boy-- and then a FAMILY...and EVEN A CHILD THAT IS NOT BORN YET!

HURT the ladies here-- AND WHINE about my foo-foo perfect life-- HA! Sip on some more hater-aide and be bitter and wonder why LADIES/DIVAS like ME DESERVE their title, their respect, their honor!

There is just no way you are a WIFE (or an honorable one) cause you'd (DUH) know that myself and the other DIVAS-IN-THE-MAKING here DESERVE to have CHOICES.. because THEY did not make choices for others.. they were faithful and honest and SOLDIERS for their marriage-- and they NEED to question, consider and be cautions of what precious and tiny lives they COULD screw up by being a. too horney for reality; b. loose and doormatty enough to ACCEPT and BELIEVE they have no choice but to DO WHATEVER THEIR SPOUSE WANTS IN SPITE OF WHAT CRAP HE IS INVOLVED IN; and c. just plain who screws them or gets them pregnant WITHOUT COMMITMENT OR SECURITY.

The LADIES (here that, they are LADIES) on this forum (I hope) know that my "whining" is a MARITAL PROBLEM THAT IS COMMON TO REGULAR SANE FOLKS....and that I would be a FOOL to think that having a baby, without caustion or consideration, would be IMMATURE AND WHINEY..

Now what? Girlz can I get a witness..... can I get an "amen Gio" And again.. PLEASE.. I would never, ever BRING SOME BULLCRAP to a board at which my fellow human being is hurting.

KT- thanks for having my back. I KNOW where my married and RESPECTFUL RATIONAL GIRLS ARE AT.. AND ITS here. TWILIGHT ZONE MUSIC IS PLAYING.. HEAR IT???!!

Oh, and the only BULLSH*T I would bring to a board that has so many hurting is... GO STEEEEEEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If that is too much fraternization on a "must be serious at all times board" then darn skippy I am a very bad and selfish (immature) specimen.

FURTHERMORE... JennaLaBlanc.. eat a big fat....
_ _ _ _ . Is that also immature? Good, I have been WAY too serious for a DIVA that is only 32 (and a half LOL)... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

JennaLeblanc,

If you feel that it is that unlikely that you will ever be married, isn't coming to a site devoted to marriage a bit masochistic? It seems to me that you are "twisting the knife" yourself by coming here.

Is it a fair assumption that you think all married fetile women should pop out a baby every year, regardless of the financial situation or problems in the marriage?

I'm also assuming that you have never had to deal with the decision of whether or not to have a child, or deal with an unplanned pregnancy. You can't possibly understand it if you have never been there.

I've never understood the type of person that lurks on a message board and then jumps out just to call someone names. There's an old saying that I think applies here, and I'm paraphrasing...

It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt.

You would do well to remember those words.

Gio, your post wasn't there when I started mine--I had to stop in the middle to take care of the baby (OOOOOPS, is that "twisting the knife" too??? My bad!).

AMEN GIO!

Thank you, Luvbird!!!!!

I KNOW this little "knife" she speaks of MAY be getting twisted in *her* back by a MM.... Call me crazy ???

And if not...... then please DO tell us why the normal problems of a [mature and reasonable] married woman struck a chord with you, and we will be willing to help you sort this out.

I'm still trying to figure out where in the world you can live and never meet a man at all! I'm thinking that if I ever get divorced, I may take my girls and move there!

gio

you have refuted jenna with witt and with class.


amen gio!!!!!!!!

only one who knows the pain can feel the pain!!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by JennaLeblanc:
<strong> It's sad to see people such as you using public boards to twist the knife in other people's wounds like this.

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Can I get in on this one? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />


Ok Jenna, if Giovanna wanted to stab a knife and turn it in anyone's back, she'd be over at the OW board telling all how her & H are planning a baby. THAT would chap an OW's hide- Having an xMM who ditched his OC only to make another child with W who he will love and spend every day with.

Posting it here isn't going to hurt anyone. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Having an xMM who ditched his OC only to make another child with W who he will love and spend every day with. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">CLO, thank you for helping to clear this up... I see you found a way to simultaneously "sneak" your message in there too. Fabulously desguised. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

I don't think most of the BWs here appreciate the word "ditched", as it is not that simple. OW should know that- she didn't simply "ditch" the feelings of our kids-- right???????? She just simply could not consider "our" children cause she needed to do what was right for "her"-- if they got hurt in the process, oh well, nothing she could do about it, right?????

If the OC gets "ditched" then that is because people reap what they sew. They do that for their offspring too, when they become involved in such a mess. NC involes the father of the OC having to make an often no-win decision in a horrid situation. He "ditched" the marriage and family and OW felt he was wonderful in spite of this. Now he needs to and wants to return to the truth and "fight for", "protect" and "secure" the well being of the other whole group of suffering and injured parties.

The A and wrecked family CAN and DESERVE to survive this in spite of the H's mistakes. And, survival of this mess MANY MANY times relies upon NO CONTACT WITH OC OR OW. Seems quite strange and unusual for ANYONE to have to endure this. If you CAN do it-- it is rare -- and absolutely is still hard for the wife/children.

Now OC gets a slice of the "hurt pie" as Lynn says.

Our personal marital decision had to be NC, in order to prevent the further "ditching" of our childrens' well beings. To not taint their blissful idea of family and love at such a young age. Enough damage has been done and seen by them-- and the OC tale-- more Springer show then I am willing to deliver to their oblivious ears.

And because life, love and family goes on, spreads out and thrives after an A, that also means "the wife" will "go on" have HER HUSBAND'S babies.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

And if any OW has a chapped [censored] because any H wants to make a baby with HIS WIFE after OC-- well, why? OC has NOTHING to do with the (already existent) family unit having a desire to share their (reconfirmed and reconciled) love via a child. She decided from day ONE that she was wiling to be second (and thus her child).. to the needs and decisions of the marriage/family unit.

If a BW has a chapped [censored] (like me) about OC-- it is because she would not agree to wantanly create a child while child support is draining marital funds... or while she is not 100% secure after an A of her H's commitment to her and a new child---- cause she is NO DUMMY!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

I have to say-- I am not mad you snuck this in---- I think they are commonly shared ideas of MANY OW.

Gio-you consistently crack me up! "Can I get a witness?" ROFL!!!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Clo------oh you are good, real good-saw right through that one though.

What's up w/ this 'other chick' here?

What's that about gio? Are you inviting you're 'friends' to this board again? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> LOL

Poo for prada? LOL

Nice slip of the tongue there gio, 'reap what you sew'............maybe you should sew a chastity belt! LOL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

It's supposed to be 'reap what you sow'! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />


lolllololololololololololol
kt

Ok, so what I meant by "Can I get a Witness" was can SOMEONE, ANYONE please help me with my grammer/spelling? heeheeee!

I don't invite anyone to come and play games but, if they are going to... I invite them to come so I cam poke holes in their theories one painful point at a time.. lol !!

Well, I usually hear that saying @ church!!!!!!!!!

I LOVE it!!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

xoxoxoxoxoxoxxo
kt

PS: WHEN are we gonna go to LV?...........or didn't you say you'd be in SD soon? March?

EMAIL me chick!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> LOL

<small>[ January 17, 2005, 01:22 PM: Message edited by: ktbunch ]</small>

Can I just say when I am feeling crappy and low all I have to do is find a posting where kt or giovanna has gone off on some ignorant arrogant moron and I can ROFL!!!!!!!!
You guys ROCK and I know little Miss Jenna is cowering somewhere holding her BC pill between her knees since that's how you don't get pregnant...
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Wondering....

What I think happens is that Kt and I both type so fast that our fingers get brushburned.. and we have the ability to type as fast as our brains work!

So.. what we do is CRAM all of MANY of our friends thoughts into ours, for you! LOL

GIO

SOrry to respond so late but AMEN
YOU HAVE A WITNESS!!!

You are soo great, I agree with KT, the poo for prada thing cracked me up. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> You really laid it in to her. I dont think she will be positng back ANY TIME SOON. SHE BETTER NOT! or we'll all get her [censored].

When I grow up I want to be like GIO (and KT) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

I can't really afford Prada-- do you still wanna be like me, Lonely.. LOL!!!!!!!

Thank you so much for being my witness <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> I am nothing great- just someone who has learned from this place HERE-- and now trying to give some mental spankings and insight that I learned from the likes of KT and others here.

Lonely, before you know it-- you will be carrying the torch here for others and saying "I've come thru this and I AM A DIVA"..... I still have burn marks (bad ones).. but darnit we WILL come thru the fire. And THEN shoot our mouths off about it, in a nice way... lol <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

"can I get a wit-ness?
can I get a wit-ness?"

Thanks a million. Now how do I get the song out of my head????

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> If that is too much fraternization on a "must be serious at all times board" then darn skippy I am a very bad and selfish (immature) specimen.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Fraternity, schmaternity....We're a SORORITY! We've all been thru the FIRE and survived!

**scratching my head**

I'm still trying to figure out why a woman would never have a chance to meet a guy in her life...or get married no matter how much they pray to GOD! Unless you live in a cave or in outer space, why wouldn't a woman be able to meet a man?

That confuses the heck out of me...oh well!

Oh wait, I get it...you mean a MARRIED GUY! oh, yea, that's funny! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />