Marriage Builders
What you will need to do is download Mozilla Firefox.
It is a FREE Internet server.
Millions are using it. It is 100% safe to download it.
(The FREE DOWNLOAD address is at the bottom of this message.)

You will have another icon on your desktop.
Keep your Internet Explorer.

When you log in to Marriage Builders, always connect to Firefox instead of Internet Explorer.

I have been logged in since we have had this new board.

When you download it, set it as your defaut.

And also when you log in to Marriage Builders, go to
MY HOME and be sure it is set on FLAT NOT threaded mode.
(Don't forget to delete your 'cookies'.)

Make the 'skin' a pretty color and you will always know you are logged in. (You can do this through display options, which is also where you change to flat mode.)

And change the page from 15 to 30 for the first page of subject topics.

GOOD LUCK

P.S. Other MB friends, post here about the advantages of using Mozilla Firefox. THANKS

Click below for free download:

Mozilla Firefox Free Download

Sincerely, Julie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Hello Everyone.
I was wondering if any of you were 'brave' enough
to download the Mozilla Firefox?

Others here, will agree, that it is GREAT not getting
LOGGED OFF every little bit.

I have mine in a pretty blue background color and I
know INSTANTLY that I am still logged in.

When I connect through Internet Explorer, I get 'un-logged'
even changing from one topic to another. grrrrrr.

Let us know if you also are pleased with Firefox.

Sincerely, Julie
Well, the mods didn't get any instructions either, and I've scrabbled through several days of misery. I downloaded from this link, changed forums 4 times and this is the first time I've stayed logged on.

Got my vote.
Works great for me! Thanks, Julie!
Thanks for letting me know Archuletan and Melody Lane.

That sure gives me a good feeling that this download is helping you post.
(It can get SOOOOO frustrating getting logged off constantly.)

And you two downloading it, will give others the confidence to download Mozilla Firefox also. (It is a little scary doing something different.)

And while you are at it, be sure and go to 'My Home', 'Display Preferences' and make the 'skin' (background) a pretty color.

That way, you will know at a glance, that you are logged in.

Sincerely, Julie
Something else that really helps if you are having trouble
staying logged on is this:

Go to 'My Home'
Under 'Main Configuration', at the bottom it says:
Maintance. Click on: 'My Cookies'

Go ahead and delete them. I think it uses the words 'Expire cookies'
It will tell you it is perfectly safe.

You will need to log back in but for many, this will help immensely.

Sincerely, Julie
Blessed, this post is now "sticky" and will remain on the top.

And is also now linked to from Emotional Needs Forum.

Though, I do have to say, I was logged out in the process, but, without Foxfire, I suspect I would have been logged out a few more times and would never have achieved the link.

Good luck everybody!
Hey thanks, works for me. I haven't been logged off since last night!
Archuletan, did you try deleting your 'cookies'?
(Mentioned in post above Faithful's.)

YOU MIGHT NEVER GET LOGGED OFF IF YOU DELETE
YOUR COOKIES!~lol~

P.S. Thanks Faithful.
Isn't it GREAT not getting logged off?
I did a little reading here about technical problems staying logged on and here is a complicated explanation why Internet Explorer (IE) isn't working very well.

I am not computer savy enough to understand how to make all the changes for IE to work better for this MB.
(That is why I am HAPPY with Mozilla Firefox.)

But maybe some of you would like to figure it out.

If so, here is the link that explains how to change settings:
http://www.ubbcentral.com/support/faqs.php?type=browser#19.

Sincerely, Julie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Um, being a moderator, I'm apparently not allowed to delete my cookies, plus I was just logged out about a dozen times accessing any forum after log-in.

I exited everything and re-logged. Which is what I was doing before.

Mozilla, better for most, not perfection.

Sorry MBers.
What ever mechanism that allows firebox to dodge this problem, I believe the problem is not in the browser, but in the forum software.

I visit at least two other forums where I never get logged out. I can log in and stay logged in for months. As long as I don't log out, every time I visit, I'm in.

For example, the forum linked to http://www.moscowhelp.org will never log me out - even if I reboot my computer, I'm still logged it.

Yes, firebox is becoming more common - but still at least 85% of browsers are IE - and in many corporate environments, the individual users are not allowed to download and install software. It would be better if we could get this fixed right.

-AD
Steve Harley and InfoPop are working on this and a few other problems that have been occurring with this forum software. I do NOT believe that a browser change is going to work for everyone. I also, personally, do not like Firefox, but that is just a personal opinion.

It is true that many users will not be able to download and install software. And we are trying to get it fixed right. I've e-mailed Steve Harley for an update and hope to have more information in the next day or two.

Please be patient with us - we really are working on this.
I downloaded Mozilla and everything works great.

When I turn on my PC, I just have to open Mozilla into another window and I'm in MBers...............
everything else works as it did before. So I use Mozilla only for MBers.

bb
With Internet Explorer, if I log in, I can not see or view any posts. I am logged in, but I have no access to any site features.

With Mozilla,FireFox, I am able to post or reply exactly once before being logged off. Also using Mozilla, I am able to view exactly four posts and then get kicked off. Any post or reply cannot use the “Preview” feature because this is a certain log off. Using the “Back” or the “Refresh” buttons on Mozilla will result in log off. And finally, simply staying logged in for more than six minutes results in a log off.

I do all of my browsing of the various posts and replies while not being logged in. I then will type my reply or post in my word processor, log in, and then cut and paste for the post, unclick preview, and click on send. I am then logged off.

I have followed other’s directions about cookies, flat mode, and security settings, but the above restrictions are current for me.

Just thought I’d share my experiences with the other frustrated members.
No one should HAVE to download any extra software to use UBB. If the software was working properly, it should work without any added "enhancements" on the part of the user.

Like AD , I use other UBB and do not have ANY problems with them. Certainly nothing compared to the problems the UBB here at MB is experiencing.

[color:"red"] Tempest [/color] , thanks for letting us know that Steve and Infopop are working on this. Would it be possible to post your message on the D/D board? That would be a BIG encouragement to those who are lurking over there and still can't post. Thanks!
Good Morning.
For all of you MB friends, still having problems (either posting or staying logged in) I believe the answer of how to solve the problem is somewhere in these complicated instructions:



Third-Party Applications
UBB.x and OpenTopic

UBB.classic and UBB.threads

Browser Issues

1. UBB.x and OpenTopic
2. UBB.classic and UBB.threads

UBB.x and OpenTopic

UBB.classic and UBB.threads

Browser Issues

1. UBB.x and OpenTopic

Problem - any one or more of the following:
* Users cannot see new content, even after they have just posted it.
* Users do not appear to be able to log in.
* Cookies do not appear to be set despite the browser being configured to accept them.
* Some users report that the light bulbs are not working correctly.


Cause:

This is most likely caused by the Web Browser drawing pages from either a local disk cache or a cache at the ISP or Firewall level. Windows XP users could also be experiencing trouble with the default "Personal Firewall" sofware. Other such similar "Personal Firewall" software (Zone Alarm Pro for example) could cause similar problems.

Resolution (look for your browser for specific instructions):

Internet Explorer through Version 5 Series:
1. Select Tools -> Internet Options -> Temporary Internet Files section
2. Click "Delete Files"
3. Click "OK"



Note that Microsoft has identified a bug with this version of IE that causes it to ignore cookies set by 'two-letter domains' as noted in this Microsoft Knowledge Base article: Internet Explorer Does Not Set a Cookie for Two-Letter Domains If you are using Internet Explorer 5 you will need to make the changes outlined in the article if you are having trouble with a two-letter (.cc, .nu, etc.) domain.


Internet Explorer Version 6 Series
* Tools -> Internet Options Privacy Tab
* Ensure settings are the following:

-> "Medium"



If not - please use the "Restore Defaults" button and try logging in again.

If you are unable to move the Settings down to a level where cookies are allowed please contact your System Administrator for clarifications on local cookie policy within your organization.

Note that Microsoft has identified a bug with this version of Internet Explorer which causes it to ignore cookies set by 'two letter' domains as noted in the Microsoft Knowledge Base article listed above - Internet Explorer 6 Service pack 1 addresses this issue, more detail is available here: How to Obtain the Latest Service Pack for Internet Explorer 6 If you are using Internet Explorer 6 you will need to install SP1 if you are having trouble with a two-letter (.cc, .nu, etc.) domain.

In addition, UBB.x™ & OpenTopic™ applications will be unable to set cookies if they exist within a frameset. Internet Explorer often sees these UBB.x™ & OpenTopic™ cookies as "third party" and will block the cookies.

Netscape:
* Select Edit -> Preferences -> Click the '+' next to "Advanced"
* Select "Cache"
* Menu on the right says "Document in cache is compared to Document on network:"
->"Once Per session"
->"Every time"
->"Never"
* Choose "Once Per Session"
* Click "OK"



Close down all your Netscape browsers and load a new browser to start a new, clean session and try loggin in again.

Windows XP or Win2k users with "Norton Personal Firewall" software, or similar (adding a trusted site):
1. Open NIS.
2. Click Options.
3. Click Internet Security (or Personal Firewall).
4. Click Advanced Options.
5. Click the Web tab.
6. Click Add Site. A new site/domain box appears.
7. Enter the url of the site that you want to receive the referrer information and click OK. That site name appears in the left frame of the Advanced Options window.
8. Click the name of the new site.
9. Click the Privacy tab.
10. Check the "Use these rules for..." box.
11. Change the Referrer from "Block" to "Allow."
12. Click Apply, and then click OK.
13. Click OK to close the Options window.


Thanks to Lisa_P at Threadsdev for these!

If you wish to disable all filtering: Click on custom settings and make sure enable privacy is checked. Then click on the Custom Level tab. Under Confidential settings select medium. Under Cookie Blocking select None:Allow Cookies. Do not place a check mark next to Enable Browser Privacy. Place a check mark next to Enable Secure Connections (https). Click OK and you're all set. Thanks Bob P.!


Additional Information:

Check your local computer's clock settings. If it is inaccurate, please reset it to your current local time, clear out your browser cache, clear out any cookies set by the site, and try again.

If you are using a cable modem, please contact your cable modem provider to discuss the page cache that they may be running on the system. Be prepared to use an alternate provider (dial up) as a test of the page cache if they are indeed running one. Many hosts with cache systems claim that they are 'transparent' when that is not the case.

Also know that many large ISPs around the country will run cache servers that only clear out at scheduled intervals. This can affect performance regionally and make content fail to show up correctly for your users in these areas where the cache has not cleared for a while.
2. UBB.classic and UBB.threads

Problem - any one or more of the following:
* Users cannot see new content, even after they have just posted it.
* Users do not appear to be able to log in.
* Cookies do not appear to be set despite the browser being configured to accept them.
* Some users report that the light bulbs are not working correctly.


Cause:

This is most likely caused by the Web Browser drawing pages from either a local disk cache or a cache at the ISP or Firewall level. Windows XP users could also be experiencing trouble with the default "Personal Firewall" sofware. Other such similar "Personal Firewall" software (Zone Alarm Pro for example) could cause similar problems.

Resolution (look for your browser for specific instructions):

Internet Explorer through Version 5 Series:
1. Select Tools -> Internet Options -> Temporary Internet Files section
2. Click "Settings" and enable the option "Every visit to the page". NOTE: Now is a good time to limit the number of megabytes that Internet Explorer has to store pages on your hard disk; its default is 1% of your total hard disk size. Consider reducing that down to 10 Megabytes at this time.
3. Click "OK"
4. Click "Delete Files"
5. Click "OK"



Note that Microsoft has identified a bug with this version of IE that causes it to ignore cookies set by 'two-letter domains' as noted in this Microsoft Knowledge Base article: Internet Explorer Does Not Set a Cookie for Two-Letter Domains If you are using Internet Explorer 5 you will need to make the changes outlined in the article if you are having trouble with a two-letter (.cc, .nu, etc.) domain.


Internet Explorer Version 6 Series
* Tools -> Internet Options Privacy Tab
* Click "Advanced"
* Ensure settings are the following:

-> "Override automatic cookie handling" - CHECKED
-> First party Cookies: ACCEPT - selected
-> Third-party Cookies: BLOCK - selected
-> "Always allow session cookies" - user discretion


This allows the UBB.classic™ software to work as designed while still blocking potentially malicious third-party cookies.

In addition, the UBB.classic™ software cannot exist within a frameset. Internet Explorer often sees the UBB.classic™ within the frameset as a "third party" and will block the cookies.

Note that Microsoft has identified a bug with this version of Internet Explorer which causes it to ignore cookies set by 'two letter' domains as noted in the Microsoft Knowledge Base article listed above - Internet Explorer 6 Service pack 1 addresses this issue, more detail is available here: How to Obtain the Latest Service Pack for Internet Explorer 6 If you are using Internet Explorer 6 you will need to install SP1 if you are having trouble with a two-letter (.cc, .nu, etc.) domain.

Netscape:
* Select Edit -> Preferences -> Click the '+' next to "Advanced"
* Select "Cache"
* Menu on the right says "Document in cache is compared to Document on network:"
->"Once Per session"
->"Every time"
->"Never"
* Choose "Every Time"
* Click "OK"


Windows XP users with "Norton Personal Firewall" software, or similar (adding a trusted site):
1. Open NIS.
2. Click Options.
3. Click Internet Security (or Personal Firewall).
4. Click Advanced Options.
5. Click the Web tab.
6. Click Add Site. A new site/domain box appears.
7. Enter the url of the site that you want to receive the referrer information and click OK. That site name appears in the left frame of the Advanced Options window.
8. Click the name of the new site.
9. Click the Privacy tab.
10. Check the "Use these rules for..." box.
11. Change the Referrer from "Block" to "Allow."
12. Click Apply, and then click OK.
13. Click OK to close the Options window.


Thanks to Lisa_P at Threadsdev for these!

If you wish to disable all filtering: Click on custom settings and make sure enable privacy is checked. Then click on the Custom Level tab. Under Confidential settings select medium. Under Cookie Blocking select None:Allow Cookies. Do not place a check mark next to Enable Browser Privacy. Place a check mark next to Enable Secure Connections (https). Click OK and you're all set. Thanks Bob P.!


Additional Information:

Check your local computer's clock. If it is inaccurate, please reset it to your current local time, clear out your browser cache, clear out any cookies set by the site, and try again.

If you are using a cable modem, please contact your cable modem provider to discuss the page cache that they may be running on the system. Be prepared to use an alternate provider (dial up) as a test of the page cache if they are indeed running one. Many hosts with cache systems claim that they are 'transparent' when that is not the case.

Also know that many large ISPs around the country will run cache servers that only clear out at scheduled intervals. This can affect performance regionally and make content fail to show up correctly for your users in these areas where the cache has not cleared for a while.


<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> GOOD LUCK <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
OH MY GOODNESS!!!

I JUST DISCOVERED SOMETHING SO SIMPLE
I AM NOT EVEN GETTING LOGGED OFF BY
GOING THROUGH INTERNET EXPLORER!!!

I AM AMAZED FOR OVERLOOKING THIS SIMPLE PROCEDURE.

HERE IS IS:
Go to 'My Home'
Click on 'Display Preferences' and then 'Edit'
Change 'Default View' to 'Collapsed Topics'
instead of 'Expanded Topics'.

Then click on 'Submit'.

VOILA', I am staying logged in, even on IE
FOR THE FIRST TIME since this new MB!!!!!

P.S. I may be writing shortly that it isn't working but it is sure working now. Yay!

Sincerely, Julie Jo
Well, it helped some as I was at least able to post
but I soon got logged off.

Don't like that. waaaaaaaaah

So this time, I signed in through Mozilla Firefox; it's the best. (I won't get logged off.)
I like Internet Explorer best for email though.

WHAT A DEAL trying to get everyone HAPPY with this new Message Board.

Although, even on the old boards, we couldn't stay logged on unless we used the Firefox way of accessing the Internet.
I can't add anything about the login problem since I ditched Internet Explorer quite a while ago, but if the best temporary fix is to use Firefox, don't hesitate to install it. From a security standpoint, there's not really another browser that can compete with it. It does take some getting used to since it's not exactly like IE, and you might run into a few pages over time that won't load correctly with it, but the increase in online safety is a huge plus.
[color:"purple"]'high road'...Hi.

I was advised by my computer expert~lol~that it is okay to have two icons for connecting to the Internet.
Is that what you think also?

I think of it as backup...If for some reason IE were ever having technical difficulties, we could connect through Firefox and vise versa.

Or did you completely remove Internet Explorer?
I still like it best for emailing.

Sincerely, Julie
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When I first started using the forum, I was using Internet Explorer. I was logged off constantly. I read a post about Mozilla Firefox and downloaded it. I won't say I never get logged off, but now it doesn't happen nearly as often for me as it did before. To keep my own frustration level down, I have started copying and pasting my post to my word processor, after typing it, but before previewing or sending. Cause once I got a message that the document was empty when I tried to send it.

It seems strange that some of us are having better luck with Firefox than others??

Tama
[color:"mediumblue"]Tama, I don't understand either why Mozilla Firefox works so well for most of us and not very good for a few.

It probably has something to do with how are computers are
set up, firewalls, cookies, etc.

I know on the old message board, it was recommended to download it...I kinda ignored it; then Bob Pure recommended it again and many of us downloaded it.

And most of us were glad we did; as we were staying logged on for a change!

I give 'beginner' computer lessons from my home so I like learning all I can. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Anyone with suggestions, jump right in.
Or if you are especially pleased with Firefox, let others know.

P.S. I just learned today how to add color.~lol~

Sincerely, Julie [/color]
FWIW, I downloaded Mozilla (not the Firefox, but plain ole Mozilla) and I have stayed logged incontinuously for days (I chekced the stay logged in on theis computer box)

Quick fix: Browse MB w/Mozilla!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
[color:"purple"]Hi TNT.
Would you happen to know the address for 'plain' Mozilla?

I checked on the Internet and it said updated versions of Mozilla are released every quarter. Do you suppose yours is an older version; before Firefox?

It also said to uninstall Mozilla when upgrading it.

If anyone wants the Mozilla Firefox download address,
it is in the first post of this thread.

Sincerely, Julie [/color]
[color:"green"]Hi Archuletan.
I think that probably almost all of our MB friends have
read this thread and know the wonderful advantages to
downloading Mozilla Firefox.
(The main advantage is staying LOGGED ON.)

By the way, is Foxfire working pretty good for you?
Did you check in 'My Home' to see if the 'Default View'
was 'Collapsed Topics' rather than 'Expanded Topics'?

I wanted to tell you that I have been HONORED that you made this topic a 'sticky' thread and kept it at the top.
I LOVE being helpful. (I am a lot better giving computer advice than I am giving marriage advice!~lol~)

However, I think it is time to 'unsticky' this topic, as MB friends are probably getting tired of seeing it at the top.

Thanks, Julie [/color]
<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
[color:"mediumblue"]Bob, did you notice several posts up that I said it was you that recommended downloading Mozilla Firefox on the previous message board?

Thanks so much, I am so glad I downloaded it as I NEVER get
logged off anymore.
(I am sure MANY are glad they downloaded it also.)

Anyone know how I can get the moderator to take this off of
'sticky' so it won't be at the top anymore?

Sincerely, Julie [/color]

[b]MOZILLA FIREFOX FREE DOWNLOAD[/b]
<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Hi Julie,
This may come as a surprise, but not every MB poster comes here every day <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />. I'm going to leave it at the top for a couple more days, unless Tempest or Justuss takes it down first.
I'm just stopping in to add my name to the list of those that have installed Mozilla with no problems. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

It seems to be the only way I can stay logged in.
I downloaded Mozilla Firefox (just took a couple of minutes), and have had NO problems since!

It's great!!!

K


[color:"mediumblue"]MB friends, PLEASE click below.[/color]


http://inspirations.crossdaily.com/friendshippoem/ [url=http://http://inspirations.crossdaily.com/friendshippoem/][/url] <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
[color:"green"] Blessed TIME

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! I downloaded the free Mozilla Firefox and it works great! I have to get on the internet thru it but it is worth it until somebody finds out something different. [/color]
[color:"mediumblue"]You are very welcome, WACKY.
I love Firefox download also. I can't stay logged on at all with Internet Explorer.[/color]

[color:"darkgreen"]Here is something else that is a problem.

Have all of you noticed that when you click on 'Discussion Forum', at the top of this Marriage Builder's page, in red, (far right lower corner) and then click on 'Enter discussion message board' it will take you back to the OLD MESSAGE BOARD with archive messages only?

GO CHECK and you will see that there are a hundred or so visitors at all times. I don't think these people know about this interactive discussion board, do you?

I have been a regular reader and poster for the past year and a half and thought for several days that the message board wasn't working; that all we had were archive messages to read.

(So how could a new person know what to do? They would be seeing 'Discussion Forum' on the Home page, click on it and land in the old message board.)

The address above the old message board is almost unnoticable, it says something like: "Click here for the new message board."

I wonder why they (creators of this new message board) don't just do away with the old message board and only have this new message board appear, when a person clicks on the discussion forum?

Anyone have an answer?

Sincerely, Julie [/color]
I need to clear something up.

When I said they need to do away with the old message board,
I didn't mean the archive messages.

They had said they were transferring all messages to this new board.

I meant when someone goes to the discussion forum on the Home page, it would take them to this new message board not the old one.

Julie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
I am trying to post in: Help with PLAN A (cont'd) and cannot post (but I am logged in????) Does anyone have an explanation? See I can post, but not my own thread.

Thanks for any help.
[color:"mediumblue"]Lunamare, this would be my suggestion to you:

Go to 'My Home' right above these messages.

Click on 'Display Preferences' and to the right, click on 'Edit'

Then be sure that 'Default Display' mode is on FLAT MODE.

Also that 'Default View' is on COLLAPSED

Then click on: 'SUBMIT'

Let us know if this helps; I sure hope so.

Sincerely, Julie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
P.S. If that doesn't work, I would sure recommend downloading Firefox.
The address is in the first post of this thread.[/color]
My Goodness, a person can learn something new about these message boards everyday.

By clicking on 'Discussion Forum' in the upper right hand corner, it takes you to a place to click on called: Enter marriage builder message board, HOWEVER it takes you to the OLD MESSAGE BOARD with only archive messages.

There are 186 guests viewing the OLD MESSAGE BOARD.
They may not even know there is a board where they can post!

Something I never noticed until today.
By going to Main Menu
General Questions II

It shows how many people are viewing this message board.

At this moment, 10:22 my time, there are 63 guests viewing.

Julie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Just a note for a few of those still having problems and especially to those who arent too computer savvy (like me).

Downloading Netscape 7.2 (MUST be 7.2) will likely fix any log off problems. It has the mozilla browswer built in.

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp

Then follow these steps offered by MB as follows:

Open Netscape 7.2

Select Edit -> (top left corner)

Go to Preferences -> (at the bottom of menu)

Click the '+' next to "Advanced" (+ isn't actually there, just left click very close and to the left of "advanced")

Select (left click on) "Cache"

Menu on the right says "Document in cache is compared to Document on network:"
->"Once Per session"
->"Every time"
->"Never"
Choose "Every Time" (by left clicking in the cirle to the left of "every time"

Click "OK" to save your settings and your done.

After doing this there is no need to "maintain cookies" You won't be logged out ever again and infact Netscape will offer to "remember you" and you never even have to log in again (write your password down or you may forget it later)
(only choose this option if you ar ethe only one using your computer or others can access your account)

I have heard a few people say that this fix works when simple Mozilla did NOT.


If you wish, set up Netscape to open to your home page (email accounts etc) and you'll never go back to IE. Netscape is faster and easier to use.


Edited to add a link to the 7.2 DL.
It took me a few times to realize and find the new board. I kept entering through my bookmarks and it took me to the old board. I'd zip down to the threads missing the new forum link. I figured out that the date wasn't changing from Mar, 23 and that I couldn't post. I thought they still hadn't fixed it yet. I felt kind of stupid but relieved when I found the new board after I thought it may have something to do with my bookmark.

I imagine there are others in a similar situation. Even a few older members, not just newbies. We are still missing some folks here.

The moderators should have the top thread be a link to the new forum or something with an explanations.
[color:"mediumblue"]Racer, you are VERY computer savvy.
That sounds TOO complicated to me!~lol~
I think I will just stick to Mozilla Firefox since it is working GREAT.

Trix, I agree there needs to be a change, so people can easily find this new message board.

I went up to the red area above these messages and clicked on 'Discussion Forum' and then 'Enter MB discussion forem, Click Here' and it takes me to the OLD MESSAGE BOARD.

I clicked on 'Recent Visitors' and there have been 123 in the past hour, yesterday I checked and during one hour were 215.

It said the Visitor Record was 628 on Mar 28.
That means MOST OF US WENT TO THE OLD BOARDS
when they first set up this new board.


My question is this:
When we click on 'Enter discussion forum', why doesn't it take us directly to this NEW MESSAGE BOARD?

Sincerely, Julie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> [/color]
Question from a very computer illiterate person. Today was the upteenth time I spent at least a half hour posting to have my post lost because I wasn't logged in. Of course I was logged in when I started the post otherwise there wouldn't have been a reply button to push.

This is my concern with doing all the downloading instructions. Several months ago our computer was a mess with a gazillion pop-ups and probably viruses. My 15 yr. old computer literate son I believe had to erase everything off the computer and then installed 2 programs to protect against viruses and pop-ups. The computer has been great ever since. The one glich is that we need to sign in through internet explorer, not SBC. Don't ask me why. DS said there is a good reason and I will believe him. My fear is if I do this download thing I will screw up the computer. He doesn't know about this MB site and he's the one we go to with our computer problems. So if I change things I'll have to tell him why. In other words I don't want anything to look differently when we sign on the internet.

Was I clear? Any suggestions? This site is driving me nutso. Thanks! CV
Blessed Time:
That should prove that there are still people out there that haven't found the new forum for the reasons you've stated as well as an old favorite or bookmark.

CV:
Mozilla Firefox is set up to receive far fewer pop-ups. Many of the programs that your son may have downloaded may still work woth Firefox.

It is worth trying the Mozilla Firefox download. It is just as easy to click on that icon as it is to click on IE and enter the internet. Most of us never have to re-log in here or lose our login at all any more. One less frustration.
Hi CV55.
Your message was VERY clear.

If I had to try and stay logged on or post a reply going through Internet Explorer, it would drive me NUTS also!

TRUST ME, it is 100% safe to download Mozilla Firefox.
And besides, if you changed your mind, you could easily go to the Control Programs, and remove the program.

When it is downloaded, an icon will be on the desktop for convenience along with the big E for Internet Explorer.
You just click on the Firefox icon when going to MB message board.
(I guess you could Delete the Icon and go through it a different way?)

YOU WILL BE SO GLAD YOU DOWNLOADED IT.

I have it in Bookmarks.
You can rename this Marriage site to say something boring, like some newspaper, if you don't want others to see this site in Bookmarks or Favorites. (There is a place to click on that says 'Rename' and you write whatever you want in that slot.

Since this is YOUR COMPUTER also, you could tell your son that you just wanted a BACKUP Internet source, in case IE was having technical problems.

Here again is the download address:
FREE Mozilla Firefox download

Sincrely, Julie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

P.S. Since you don't want others to know you are going to this site, you need to go to Tools, Internet Options, and delete History, each time you are finished on the computer.

P.S.S. Edited to say I just noticed Trix's reply.
See, we are both telling you to go ahead and download it.
Oh, set it as 'default' after you have it downloaded.
You son will think you are SOOO computer Smart! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
BT & others,

Keep the good advice coming!!! I need all the help I can get!
Okay, what about PALM browsers?

I use Blazer on the new Treo650 I got last week, and I get logged off whenever I click on something, even when I expire the cookies (sounds like a label stamped on some Chips Ahoy box at the grocery store!).

Thoughts?

-ancient 2long
[color:"mediumblue"]Thanks CSue.

Hi 2long.
I didn't reply yesterday because I was hoping someone would have the answer for you.

I know NOTHING about palm browsers.
Since they are 'cordless', I assume they go through
air waves and not something like Firefox or Internet Explorer?

Maybe ask for some advice at the computer place where you bought it.
Lots of the employees there are EXPERTS.~lol~

Sincerely, Julie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> [/color]
When this first started the only trouble I had was getting logged in at all! But, I had to type in my password exactly as it was given to me (capitals and lower case) and it worked!

So, I sported around for quite awhile with no problems. I was and have always used IE. Then I started getting logged off. Changed to mozilla (it was already on my computer as my 15 yr old computer guru has been insisting I use it on my computer) and that went real well. And then I started getting logged off. So, I would just close down and open a new window. That worked. For awhile.

Now if Mozilla logs me off I try IE and sometimes it does the same thing, sometimes it lets me play. Or vice versa, sometimes IE logs me off and mozilla lets me play. I just don't know from day to day.

Oh well. It is worth it so far.
[color:"purple"]Married and Lonely (that is a SAD ID.)

I have just a couple suggestions for you.

Go to 'My Home' right above these messages.

Click on 'Display Preferences' and to the right, click on 'Edit'

Then be sure that 'Default Display' mode is on FLAT MODE.

Also that 'Default View' is on COLLAPSED.

And below where it says 'Cookies', go ahead and delete them.

Then click on: 'SUBMIT'

Let us know if it was already set this way.
Oh, and is Mozilla set as 'default'?
That is important for it to work right.

Sincerely, Julie
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I have been using Firefox since its release and had zero problems with it before the forum software change. After the software change I had the "URL not Found" problem in both IE and Firefox. Did all the temp, cache, cookie, history deletions as suggested to no avail and even tried creating a new member ID still no luck. Changed profile elements in both profiles and still the same problem.
Finally, totally frustrated I contacted Tempest and had the profile resubmitted at the administrative level.
So what ever downloading Firefox new did for you all is different than mine.
Could be a combination of browser elements and forum software interaction.

SM
One more question. If I download whatever that was can we still use Internet Explorer to log in if we want to? Will it effect anything my son has doneto fix our computer. Apparently the software we purchased to protect our computer fits with IE. So will both IE and the other be functioning independently? Am I still be clearing because I'm confused? I'm afraid to download without DS's approval. CV
I downloaded Mozilla Firefox which works great with MB. I did, however, have to change my user name for it to be totally effective. I still have the option to log on with IE if I want to but hardly ever do. Firefox has cut all the pop-ups we were plagued with on IE. TT
[color:"navy"]'CV55', I wrote you a note about the SAFETY of downloading FIREFOX.
Go back to page 3. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

'SM', I am sorry you are still having problems.
You are probably right that it is just something in your settings that needs changed. You did change the Default Display to the flat mode not threaded mode and also Default View to collapsed, didn't you?
(I had trouble even with Firefox until these were changed.)

'Tummy Tuck', I am glad Firefox is working GREAT for you.
I still click on IE for my emails, seems to work better!

Sincerely, Julie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />[/color]
I tried downloading it, then DS came home. He said it wasn't downloading,and that it would screw up what we already have on our computer. He wanted to look at this site, but I can't allow that. So for now I guess I have to hope MB fixes this problem, unless there are other suggestions. CV
CV, did you try downloading netscape 7.2. It should be easy and go smoothly. It will NOT run with IE, it's another browswer like IE. But for safety sake you could use it (netscape 7.2) just for MB (which I'm sure is pretty darn safe) and access all other internet material with IE if you are concerned. IE will still be there, where it always has been on your desktop. At the end of every session on MB you can erase your "history" on netscape and nobody will know what websites you have been to.
P.S. I keep hearing some people are STILL having problems with mozilla/firefox. I have not heard any bad feedback from people who took the Netscape 7.2 route.

I put a link for Netscape on one of my posts to this thread.

Please remember - only 7.2 works (no earlier versions)
[color:"navy"]Hi Racer.
That is a really good idea that you have.

For those that have downloaded Mozilla Firefox and it is working GREAT and they are staying logged on, then keep it.

But for those that have downloaded it and are still having problems (I had to change mine to 'default' to make it work right) then go to the Control Panel, change or remove programs and take Firefox out.

Then download Netscape and see if it helps to stay logged on.
That address is up several posts, posted by Racer X.

Sincerely, Julie

P.S. I just downloaded Ad-Aware SE Personal.
My computer expert advised it.
It gets rid of little MINI PARASITES that might slow down our computers.
It is FREE. (I like FREE.)
I will get the address and post it here.



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Here is the FREE download that was mentioned above.


Lavosoft Ad-Aware SE Personal Edition 1.05 FREE download


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[color:"teal"][b]Hello MB Friends.
If anyone is reading this for the first time and still having problems being constantly logged off; go to the first post, as it will tell you what to do.

And as mentioned on a different thread, Mozilla Firefox is being downloaded like crazy....Over 45 million so far and more every minute....You don't have to worry AT ALL about downloading it. (That you might be doing something wrong.)

And keep Internet Explorer also...It is good to have TWO choices of how to you want to connect to the Internet. You will have two icons on your desktop to choose from when connecting.

And if for some reason you change your mind, all you have to do is go to the control panel and remove the program.
Real real easy to do.

Sincerely, Julie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
well I was hoping when MB came back up today that we would have seen the end of the log off problems. So I logged in on IE. I was logged out about 2 minutes later when I tried to reply to a post. Back to Netscape. It's not a problem for me because i like Nescape better, but I'm concerned about newcomers.
Thanks Racer and BT. OK, if I download either one of those programs without my son's knowledge, will he even know? Right now we all have our own log in names. So will the icon magically appear on my desktop? Then will I have a choice how I want to log in, IE or the other? When I click on the icon will it then take me to SBC to log in, which is what happens when I click on IE now? As you can see I'm pretty computer illiterate. If the antivirus program we're using isn't compatable with the new program will we then be open to viruses? Then angry DS will want to kill me. OMG, I am just so tired of getting logged off this site. How come the old site didn't have this problem? I could be logged in for months. Well thanks for answering more of my stupid questions. Nice to not be talking about the dreaded As. CV
I would think that any anti-virus program will still work in either browser. The anti-virus program is loaded onto the computer so you should see it when you aren't online in the programs. The program should do fine accessing it's updates in either browser that is set as the default. I have used AVG and Norton and both haven't had a problem with Mozilla Firefox.
[color:"navy"] CV55, I agree with Trix that your Norton Anti Virus should work just fine.

And I agree with Racer X that they didn't improve staying logged on when they worked on this site for several days!

Cv55, go ahead and download Firefox.

You will just love not getting logged off.

And yes you will have two icons on your desktop and you can either click on IE or Firefox. (Firefox works good for this MB but it doesn't work as good for me for emailing as IE.)

I put Marriage Builders in 'Bookmarks' so I just click on it and it takes me to General Questions 11. ( To put something in Bookmarks or Favorites, just right click on the web address and it will say 'Bookmark this page'.

Don't forget to set Firefox as your default when you download it, for it to work best.
You can't do anything wrong. It can easily be removed if it causes problems. (Which it won't, over 45 million people have downloaded it!)

And hey, who bought the computer and pays the monthly bill, you or your son? You have a right to download whatever you want. STAY STRONG MOM. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

Love, Julie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Thanks Trix and BT! Yes, DS did not buy this computer, however, if it weren't for him we'd still have a gazillion pop-ups to deal with. This computer was in BAD shape several months ago. He spent a lot of time having to erase everything and then installed the anti-virus and anti-popup programs.

We don't have Norton this time, but McAfee(?) anti-virus. DS isn't having us log in through SBC, but IE, because he said it doesn't work with SBC. Don't ask me what the heck he's talking about because I have no idea. I just do what he says, and am happy to report haven't had one pop-up since he worked his magic.

This is my dilemma. If I download Firefox and it screws something up, will he have to come to MB to fix it? He wanted to read what you all were saying but I really can't have him even seeing this site. I'll try it if we can avoid that. And what do you mean by "set Firefox as your default when you download it?" Can one of you just come to my house and do all this for me? I'll pay for the plane ticket and take you out to dinner. CV
[color:"navy"]Come to your house and set it up...That is funny. I would be glad to. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

CV55, I PROMISE you won't mess anything up if you download FIREFOX.

I am thinking your 'secrecy' about this site is making your son think you are looking at PORN or involved in a chat with other men! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

You do realize he can go to History or View Temporary Files and see the sites you have visited, don't you?
He probably already knows you are reading here at MB, just doesn't know your ID since you are not staying logged on.

My suggestion would be to go ahead and download Firefox (it will ask the question do you want this as your default) I don't know exactly what it really means, just know you need to do this!~lol~

You can keep logged on all day, and then before your son comes home, go ahead and log out. That way he won't know your ID.
Otherwise it would say: "Welcome CV55" and he could read your posts.

Firefox ALSO has pop up blocker with it, so you should NEVER get popups any more. (I don't get any.)

Sincerely, Julie

<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Julie, I'm going to be bold and download Firefox. So where on this thread do I find the instructions? Am I lazy or what? I always log off every time I use the computer so I hope DS has never seen this site. I also hope he's not that interested in knowing what I'd doing. Although one year ago, right after d-day, both boys I'm sure wondered why their mom was constantly locked in the bedroom on the computer. Thanks much! CV
[color:"navy"]YAY FOR CV55!!!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Just click on the topic title of this thread, as that will give you the very first post with 'instructions'.

DId you know that even though you log off, your History of the sites you visit are still there? (Unless you deleted them.)

If you click on the Ctrl button in the lower left hand corner and the letter H, it will show the sites you visited.
I can tell you how to delete them if you want me to.

BOB, if you happen to read this, would you tell her of the SAFETY of downloading Firefox? You actually gave me the 'courage' to download it several months ago.

Sincerely, Julie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
BT, download is complete. If this works I'll still take you out to dinner. Thanks! CV
I forgot to ask 2 more questions. If you could tell me how to erase my history I'd appreciate it. Also I noticed that when I signed in using IE or Firefox it asks me if I want to use it as the default server. Do I just need to do that every time I sign in using either one? Thanks again! CV
[color:"navy"]My fingers are crossed!~lol!~

I think it will just ask once about default.
It is ok to say yes on the Firefox.

Here is how to erase History on the Firefox browser.

Click on 'Tools'
Then 'Options'
Then click on 'Clear All'
Again click on 'Clear all information'
Then click on 'OK'
And History is erased

On IE
It is about the same.
Click on 'Tools'
Then 'Internet Options'
Click on clear 'Internet files' and 'Clear History'
Then 'Yes' and 'Ok'

Let us know if you stay logged on.

Don't forget to go to MY HOME and DISPLAY PREFERENCES, EDIT and make your skin(background) a pretty color. Then click on SUBMIT. (Then you know at a glance that you are logged on.)

Love, Julie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
Julie, I was fine until that last bit of info you gave me. I have NO IDEA what you're talking about. I am just so happy to be on MB not talking about As. La La, LA La, La! There are more important things to talk about, such as computers for example. CV
[color:"navy"]Hi CV55.
And I prefer to talk about perennial flowers.
I am 'obsessed' with flower gardens and have more flowers and gardens than I can take care of. (We live in the country and have 4 acres.)

I have been out in the rain today, transplanting flowers and pulling weeds!!!

Ok, this is what I mean.
Right above these messages, is a place that says My Home, Main Index, Search etc.

Click on 'My Home'.
Scroll down and you will see.
DISPLAY PREFERENCES....click on EDIT

There is a place to make your skin (background) a pretty color. Mine is blue...Then click on SUBMIT.
(Then you know at a glance that you are logged on.)
If you are logged off, it will be plain ole white.

Is your 'default display mode' on Flat (not threaded)
Threaded doesn't work right, has to be on Flat.
You will find that in the same place as above.

Let me know if you don't understand.
Remember, I teach computer (beginner and a little advanced~lol~) so if I am not explaining it good enough, it is MY FAULT, not yours.

Sincerely, Julie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Julie, tonight I think I'm going to be home alone. For some reason I am really looking forward to that. It's rainy, cold, and we might get dumped on with snow. I just want to hunker down, get under my electric blankie, and have some Chinese food! Doesn't take a lot to make me happy. I'm going to copy down all of your computer istructions and maybe try some of them too. Thanks for taking the time to teach me.

I'm sure my few plants wish they had you as their owner. I have a tendency to let my plants get to the brink of dying of thirst and then, instead of letting them die, I pump them full of water. This woman does not have a green thumb. You're not going to see me voluntarily in my rainy backyard digging in the dirt. CV
BT, I posted on GQ, posted on Recovery, came back to GQ and I'M STILL LOGGED IN! YEHHHHHHH!!!! Thank you, thanks you, thank you! CV
BT, this is getting to be my running monologue to you. I just thought you would find this pretty funny. I went to log in to Firefox and guess what? DS deleted it. He asked his dad what he should do and H told him to delete it. Here it takes me a friggin month to finally download it and it was installed for one whole day. Well I'll gonna go install it again. CV
[color:"navy"]CV, I am sorry to hear that! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I guess you are going to have to tell them to leave it there this time.

But now that you know how to download FIREFOX, it will be a snap for you. (Anyone reading this, the download site is in post # 1)

Could you tell them you like to log on to the Dr.Phil or Oprah or Plantideas (a gardening site) or some other message boards? And that you need Firefox to stay logged on?

You would have to sign up on a message board besides this one, in order to stay truthful. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

I was sure happy with your post before your latest one.
I didn't reply because I wanted CV55 to be the most recent one showing, NOT Blessed TIME.

[color:"purple"](By the way, my ID means TIME passing is Blessed.)
It just takes TIME and so much healing takes place; it doesn't happen instantly. (As with any of life's sorrows.)

Sincerely, Julie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Julie, you're not going to believe this. I downloaded it again, and now it's gone. I think maybe I'm not supposed to be posting on MB. Anywho, It was good to here about what your name means. My impatience might just be the death of our recovery. CV
[color:"navy"]CV, do you mean your son deleted it again?
Because it does NOT just disappear. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

He needs to understand that it is FINE to have another way of entering into the World Wide Web!!!

It actually may come in handy if Internet Explorer is running slow or having technical difficulties to have another way of getting on the Internet.

Have him call a computer shop expert, they will tell him.

Try downloading it again.
And you DO belong here at MB. I think you are VERY patient!

Sincerely, Julie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
<img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" /> It's all about ME.

I just wanna see my name for a change every time I sign on coz this post never moves.

Susan <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
Attention HAWG! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />
BT, just want you to know I've been logged on for days now. I can hardly believe it. One question. When I tried to delete the history from Firefox it didn't follow your script. After "options" it was different. Any suggestions? Thanks! CV
[color:"navy"]Hi CV55.
That is really wonderful that you are staying logged on.

Clearing History is a little different with Firefox than it is with Internet Explorer.

Click on 'Tools'
Click on 'Options'
Click on 'Clear all'
Again click on 'Clear all information'
Then click on 'Ok'

I am sure glad that FIREFOX is working good for you.

I hope you have a very nice week-end. (That goes for everyone reading this.)

Sincerely, Julie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Julie,

I hope that you have a very good weekend too.

I don't understand what all the hoopla on that thread was about, but wanted to say from one gardener to another...you are okay in my book!

Take care Julie!
[color:"navy"]Dear Weaver.
Thank you so much for your kind note. It meant more to me than words can say. I am sitting here crying. (Thankful tears.)

So you are a flower gardener also? Isn't it fun to be creative with different flower and color combinations?
My gardens are in my counties 'flower walk' in June so I am really happy and excited about that. (And busy WEEDING.)

I have found a gardening message board and spend a little time there. I think I am better at giving computer advice and flower advice than marriage advice. But I try to do the best I can; and yes I definitely have my shortcomings.... I gave bad advice in a post to Bob last year. (Very regretfully)

I do believe in this MB way of Plan A and Plan B.

I will always be drawn to this board. I feel I know so many of you and it is always so wonderful to see people mend their broken hearts and their marriages. Such a change we see from the first scared posts to how they feel months down the road, true?

Well, this isn't about how to keep from getting 'logged off' so I better sign off.
Thanks again, Weaver.
Love, Julie <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Julie,

We all have our shortcomings. I have said some very horrible things on this board, more than once.

We all deserve a chance to redeem ourselves.

Words can hurt, and words can heal.

I am very grateful for the second chances I have been given through out my life.

You have a right to be here Julie, and to learn and to grow. That's what we are all doing here.

I hope you continue to do what brings happiness into your world and to become the woman you were meant to become.

And me too! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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