Just curious as to who the members of this board are voting for for President.

Hey, I don't mind jumping in on this one. I am a registered Democrat, but I am crossing party lines this election and voting for Bush. Why? For me, when I look at all the issues, and a lot of them are important, but for me, the one issue that has been close to my heart for a number of years is banning partial birth abortions. I admire and respect Bush's stance on that issue, and the fact that he isn't wishy-washy about it.<P>There's a lot of things with Bush's policies that I don't necessarily agree with and I don't know that I'm 100% behind him, but I think I might be able to live with him as President for four years - given his stance on this issue. Really, it's been a close race for me - but that one issue is close to my heart.

GWB

Still "undecided."<P>But not between tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber.<P>I haven't decided which 3rd party candidate I'm going for.<P>Certainly not Buchanan. Certainly not Howard Phillips. No no on Nader.<P>Toss up between Harry Brown and John Hagelin.<P>I know, I'm "wasting" my vote, but I cannot justify voting for the evil of two lessers.

I'm voting Bush. I simply can't stomach the thought of listening to four years of Gore speeches. I have to stifle a yawn just thinking about it.<P>Speaking of the election, I live about 50 miles outside of Tampa. The last time my area got any big news attention was when we had a serial killer about 8 years ago. Well, it turns out that [censored] Cheney, Jeb Bush, and Norman Schwarzkopf had a big rally two miles away from my house on Wednesday. Was it on the news Tuesday night, Wednesday morning, or Wednesday afternoon. Well of course not. I saw a lot of cops out and about and several helicopters hovering around, but had no idea what it was for. Of course by the time I got around to reading the local paper that day it was over, and yes I got to see a recap of it on the 11 pm news. I was beyond irritated.

Bush...although my 1st choice was McCain.<P>Maybe I should be more grateful to Gore, since he did invent the internet

Definitely Gore. The thought of the Supreme Court we might end up with after 3 Bush appointees scares me silly.

Harry Browne (Libertarian)<BR><p>[This message has been edited by popeye (edited November 03, 2000).]

Well, I'm voting for Gore, because Bush is a grada-A, class 1 moron. I don't care if he surrounds himself with bright guys, I want to know who's running the country, not a bunch of shadowy "eminence grises" from his old man's administration.<P>If you read Gail Sheehy's article about Bush in VANITY FAIR, you'll be terrified to vote for this idiot. But to each his own.<P>And the fact that he's been given a free pass by the media doesn't mean his "character" is any greater than anyone else's. I look for character in my spouse and my friends, not in the President. Politics is by nature a scummy game.<P>And yes, I'm pro-choice, and the Supreme Court composition matters.<P>And by the way, just to set the record straight in regard to the Internet flap:<P>Gore's actual comment, in an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer that aired on March 9, 1999, was as follows: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." <P>And this is an accurate statement, albeit badly worded. The Internet as a tool of the Department of Defense had been around since 1971. What Gore recognized was the potential positive impact of the Internet on Americans in day-to-day life, and was instrumental in enacting legislation that allowed it to happen. <P>Certainly Gore's wording is poor, and indeed, he does say some things that make me scratch my head and say, "Huh?"<P>And as far as the "Buddhist Temple" flap is concerned, ask yourselves this: If it were a fundraiser under the guise of a church supper at a Baptist church instead of a Buddhist temple, would you think of it differently?<P>I'm not telling anyone to vote for Gore if you don't want to. Hell, <B>I</B> don't want to. But Bush is horrible on the environment, horrible on choice, and completely ignorant about foreign affairs. A man who refers to the head of state in North Korea as "Kim Jong the Second" (it's Kim Jong Il, folks) has no business being President.<P>This is a man who ran for governor of Texas because Bud Selig didn't think he was good enough to be baseball commissioner.

I'm voting for SKM.<P>WAT

Well, I'd vote for Nader, but my state is having a close race between Gore (my 2d choice) and Bush (distant 3d), so I'm voting for Gore.

I agree with Dazed and Confused, who is anything but on this issue. Bush doesn't understand the issues well enough himself. His plan for the surplus leaves a big gap that he doesn't explain how to fill, once we figure in getting rid of the estate tax and privatizing social security. I just don't think he's qualified.<P>I'll be voting for Gore. He has a good grasp on some very complicated issues.

Gore. Here's a quote from this morning's paper. I agree. The burden of a Bush win would fall on the most vulnerable segments of our society.<P>Former chief U.S. District Judge Miles Lord, on why he is voting for Gore:<P>"I have to remind myself how hard it was to make the gains we have made in caring for our environment, assuring human and civil rights, taking care of our elderly and our children, and generally making us a more compassionate society. I don't want to give those gains up."

Gore, Gore, Gore.<P>Bush is so whiny and I really don't get what he wants to do with Social Security - scary !!<P>I can't say President Bush for another four years of my life - eeeek!<P>The more I read about Bush -the more freaked out I get.<BR>

Okay - so I'm Canadian - but we're in election mode now too! Chretien has bungled too much, Clark is an idiot, Day is just plain scary - so it's Alexa and the NDP!!<BR>

I would love to see Harry Browne as president as a Jeffersonian Libertarian, however, since that won't happen, I am voting for Bush. I like the George. He has strong character, integrity and ethics.<P>Gore scares me. <P>It wasn't long ago that Democrats were reminding us that to impeach Clinton we would get Gore by default as kind of a warning to back off Clinton. Everyone would look at each other horrified and prayed that Clinton would successfully escape impeachment just to keep Gore out of office.<P>Having said that, I do like Leiberman very much, but I really like [censored] Cheney. And here in Minnesota I have the utmost respect for Paul Wellstone because though our politics are not the same, he passionately means what he says.<P>In the late 60's I was a Democrat and campaigned for Humphrey...but things were different then...the party was so true and dedicated then. It isn't the same, the party has changed and sadly, to me, not for the better. It has been corrupted somehow and tainted and I hate how Hollywood and the press are so tunnel visioned to that point of view. It's like a herd of sheep not being able to make determinations for themselves and thinking they have to follow a specific mind set.<P>I am looking forward to not being held hostage by the mid-east for our oil, looking forward to having more of my money to determine what I want to do with it and looking forward to having less intrusive government mandate complicated laws that confuse my life and and make me feel like I live in Nazi Germany. I desperately want freedom and dignity and I do not beleive I will find that with Gore. He's OK but not qualified to run our country, IMO, because he wants to be King instead of our servant. And frankly, I am not interested in Gore's vision of what HE wants...I am only interested in what the majority wants. And I want more conservative thinkers on the Supreme Court to balance the liberal judges.<P>Catnip =^^=

Bush! He takes responsibility for his actions. Gore is a machine of Washington raised in a Washington hotel. Theres no there there with him in my opinion. He also seems willing to say whatever will get him elected. I watched all 3 debates. I saw the same Bush every time and a different Gore every time. What does that tell you?

I have a friend that is a Profeesor of Political Science at a major accredited university. I asked his views on this topic. He told me <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>If you are 20 and not liberal you have no heart. If you are 40 and are not conservative you have no brain<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>We have thrived in the past 8 years in spite of Clinton/Gore. Had they gotten their wish, Engler and Marx would be jumping for joy in their God-less graves.<P>I am 32 years old and am sick of gov't intrusion in my life. If you want big brother to hold your hand then vote liberal. If the Libertarians had a snowballs chance in hell I'd vote for them. Since they don't...Bush is the viable option.<P>I don't buy the slanted medias skewed liberal view of politics. They are so disingenuous I want to vomit!!<P>Bill<P>------------------<P><BR>May the roads rise to meet you,<BR>May the winds always be at your back,<BR>May the sun shine warm upon your face,<BR>The rains fall soft upon your fields,<BR>And until we meet again,<BR>May god hold you<BR>In the hollow of his hand.<p>[This message has been edited by WilliamJ (edited November 03, 2000).]

I decided to vote for the man with a pulse.<P>Go GW !

If I thought Nader had a chance but will vote for Gore.<P>Bush is very scary. Even more clueless than his father was. Not to mention what he would do to the Supreme Court.

Quick cameo - I injured my back and so I'm doped up on Vicodin and like, 2 other muscle relaxers. I'm doped up! <P>I'm undecided. I'm leaning toward Gore because A - he's pro-choice, and B - he knows a lot more about foreign policy, which with the situation in the Middle East, is very important for our next president. But I'm not completely sold on him, and I do like Bush because he's "real." I'll let you know on election day!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by catnip:<BR><B> And here in Minnesota I have the utmost respect for Paul Wellstone because though our politics are not the same, he passionately means what he says. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>But did you read Wellstone's piece in this mornings StarTribune? He comes out strongly for Gore:<BR> <A HREF="http://www.startribune.com/viewers/qview/cgi/qview.cgi?template=opinion_a&slug=well03" TARGET=_blank>http://www.startribune.com/viewers/qview/cgi/qview.cgi?template=opinion_a&slug=well03</A> <P>

Hey, I got a vote. . .woo,hoo! Thanks Worthatry - but don't waste your vote - in a way I already run the country. <P>See, I'm one of those faceless bureaucrats who don't have a heart or a brain. But, for years the government has been inappropriately referred to as "Big Brother." It's really been "Big Sister" all this time.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carriemom:<BR><B> I really don't get what he [Bush] wants to do with Social Security.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I may be able to explain this, for what it's worth.<P>Currently, money we pay to FICA first goes straight to those on social security. What's left over is invested in US Treasury bonds (the safest investment we have).<P>Bush would rather not invest in Treasury bonds because, although they are very safe, they don't pay very much interest. He would rather invest at least some of the money in private securities -- corporate bonds, for example. There's a little more risk, but the return would be higher. Higher returns would be good because at some point, there won't be enough FICA tax coming in to pay everyone on social security.<P>In addition, under some versions of this idea, individual workers would get to decide where their share of social security would be invested. <P>There's a problem, though. If the money we pay in as FICA gets invested, it won't be going to make social security payments. Those payments have to come from somewhere else. This makes any surplus much smaller. If we also eliminate the estate tax, we may be back to deficits.<P>Probably more than anyone wanted to hear. The idea about privatizing social security is not that bad, but it is expensive.<P>A colleague I respect a lot argues that Bush may actually be a better choice for the environment because Business might be more willing to go along with environmental efforts coming from a Republican government. I'm not sure what I think about that.<p>[This message has been edited by Cottonwood (edited November 03, 2000).]

I could feel a little bit better about Gore if he would publicly take a stand against Clinton's horrendous behavior in office. But I am definitely pro-life and very conservative, so even that wouldn't get my vote. I'm also sick of liberals trying to tell us that anyone who takes a strong stand for marriage (between one man and one woman, for life) and family is intolerant and hateful. Along with my vote for Bush, mark my vote to back the Boy Scouts! (Yep, I know that one will really get some responses )<P><BR>------------------<BR>"They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength. They shall mount up with wings as eagles, they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint." Isaiah 40:31<p>[This message has been edited by HGBrawner (edited November 03, 2000).]

BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am voting for George W. Bush.

G O R E !!!!!!<P>Gee Dubya looks like a caricature of himself. He seems like he's got a tick or something.

Being from Minnesota I'm voting for Jesse <P>No, just kidding but he really isn't doing to bad of a job even though we could do without some of the scandel.<P>I guess I will vote for Gore. I really just don't like GWB. I may agree with his stand on abortion but that is it. Clinton may have been a [censored] about some things but you have to admit the country is in better shape now then it was 8 years ago. <P>

If I were registered (which I am NOT) I would check the Ballot next to George Dubbya's name.<P>His personality has remained consistent. I do not question his level of integrity as frequently or as intensely as I do Al "I invented the Internet and Pantyhose, too" Gore.<P>I consider myself to be a Moderate Republican. If I had my druthers, I'd be President and I'd fix everything hah!<P>Truth is, the job ain't that easy, and you have to collaborate on all sorts of matters - some of which you may have never even imagined could exist. It comes down to the incumbent's basic character strengths. Any politician can court any set of values. But it takes an honest, moral individual to carry out the honored duties of our nation's leader in an effective manner.<P>Both major candidates have some failings where this is concerned. However, Gore has simply shown his *ss too many times for all the reasons already listed here (and so many more) to be actually taken seriously as someone who can represent our nation. <P>I think it's wonderful to see George the younger following in his father's footsteps. To me, that is evidence that his motivation to be the President is influenced by his father. As for Gore, he's like the guy with the mop and bucket, trying desparately to clean up after Clinton and the negative image he bestowed on Democrats and men in general.<P>Just my humble, quiet, unsuspecting opinion here <P>Khyra

A couple of sleepers you might be interested in.<BR>Michael W. Bay is running as the candidate of the National Barking Spider Resurgence Party (I'm not making this up). If, of course, you don't like Mike try Clay Oliver Hill the nominee of the Populist-Democratic-Viking Party (I'm not making this one up either). Of course in this age of PACs it would not be fair to omit the Whores for Gore or Bush against Bush (something about being arrested in your home for having too many marital aids - yes! in Texas) .<BR> Hope your election is as good as mine (personally I'm not voting because I think it only encourages them).

Hi guys,<P> I spent a few years in southeast Missouri( essentialy Arkansas), heard to much about the Clinton mafia. I think its impossible to know everything about every candidate, so the next best thing is to vote party philosophy. I feel that the best thing the federal government can do, in most cases, is to butt out. Republicans have tradionaly advocated increased states rights and limited federal control. Reign in the Fed!!!<BR>They produce NO goods or services. The only way the Fed can do anything is by taking our money. <P> Can you guess who I'm voting for?<P> God bless you,<P>------------------<BR><P>Lynton

Good point Lynton!<P>Bill

If I had a choice...Cheney, but Bush is the next best thing. A pathological liar like Gore would NEVER get my vote.<P>Khyra, you have made excellent points. And I agree wholeheartedly <p>[This message has been edited by Kayleigh (edited November 04, 2000).]

I would just like to hear each candidates interpretation of what middle class is!<P>GWB says no one should pay more than 33% of their income in taxes?? Excuse me, but why is 33% acceptable. <P>I consider middle class income range to be 60,000 to 100,000. <P>Spouse and I both work, we have had to bear the full cost of 2 college educations. No one has ever offered us an help.<P>Way I see it, no matter who wins, I will still be supporting all the unwed mothers, paying for their tuition and childcare. <BR>I have had 2 unwed mothers working for me, that had to quit so the govt, (ME) would support them and pay all their living expenses!<P>Why do my daughters get penalized for my hard work?!? When they graduate, we will have massive student loan debt. Kids with deadbeat parents get the same degree, with no debt!!!!!<P>Some one PLEASE explain this to me!!!<P>SheRa

Being a former high school history teacher, I just had to join this, even though I usually post on the emotional needs board.<P>Allen Keyes was my first choice during the primary season, but I knew he didn't have a chance. Keyes' view of the Constitution is literal...he does not see it as a "living breathing" document, with an interpretation that changes with time. I agree with that view. The current interpretation should be the same as when it was written. What if we viewed our marriage vows as changable over time. Then none of us would bother being here.<P>Well, time to get off my soapbox.... reluctantly, I'm voting for George W. Bush rather than Gore, because the Clinton/Gore administration IMHO will go down in history as one of the most corrupt in our nation's history. Besides, Gore lies over the silliest of things....I cannot respect a liar.

33% is way too much but it is better than 50%<P>Alan keyes is a very viable option it is just too bad the ever so enklighten left would never vote for a conservative successful black man.<P>I would like for the Gore voters to give me a reasonble answer as to why they think he would be a good president. And how his socialist ideals would help this country. Especial in the face of how the Marxist ideas failed so miserably.<P>Any takers?<P>Bill

Hmmm, well if you see Gore as a socialist/Marxist then I guess it's alright for me to see Keyes as a fascist. This guy is so far out in right field he might as well be on another planet.<BR>Oh yes I am entitled to my opinion just as you are entitled to your opinion about Gore.<P>I am voting for Gore mainly because of where he stands on woman's issues. That said unfortunately I see him as the lesser of two evils. Hopefully the next election will see a viable third party candidate. <P><p>[This message has been edited by TMD (edited November 04, 2000).]

TMD,<P>Just for the sake of argument....<P>A fascist for of gov't is one ruled by a totalitain type military dictatorship...according to Webester...<P>How does Allen Keye fit that? He is a humble black man that wants to see ALL Americans succeed.<P>He believes in individual rights, freedom accorded by the constitution, and a pretty sound fiscal ideal.<P>I see Gore as being socialist in that, he believes that the gov't can make better choices than I can, therefore take from those according to there means ang give to those according to there needs. How is this fair?<P>Aside from being pro abortion where does Gore stand on womens issues? By know means am I attempting to open the abortion can of worms, as that is an unwinnable argument. But I am curious what other woman's issues he stands for? <P>Bill<p>[This message has been edited by WilliamJ (edited November 04, 2000).]

My comment about Keyes was meant facetiously.<BR>In other words all political views are entirely subjective. <P>Just to let you know where I am coming from I guess I look at elections/politics in a different way. Gore is not in any way shape or form a socialist/Marxist. Since we have "winner take all" elections and most voters political views are centrist, candidates cannot be too radical in their views if they want to win the election. In addition to that we have a system of check and balances ie Congress and the judiciary so whoever gets in office I don't see any radical change. In addition we have a whole another level of goverment at the state and local level. There is an old saying "There isn't a dimes worth of difference between the Republicans and Democrats." Or has Nader put it, "The only difference between Gore and Bush is which one gets on his knees faster for the coporate interests.<P>As for the women's issues he supports increased funding for research for women's health issues, his Medicare/SS/prescription drug plans because the majority of participants are women and of course reproductive rights. <P><p>[This message has been edited by TMD (edited November 04, 2000).]

I love this country and it's well rounded ideals!!<P>Another ? for you....<P>Is it not socialist for me to have to pay out of my pocket via medicare for anothers FREE RX's???<P>What about men's issues??<BR>If I'm not mistaken Prostate cancer kills more men than does breast cancer???<P>What about fathers reproductive rights???<P>I tend to agree that there isn't much difference between Dem and Rep...However, Republicans aren't trying to overtly userp my individual freedoms....<P>Did you read my previous reply at the beginning of this thread??<P>Bill

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WilliamJ:<BR><B>I love this country and it's well rounded ideals!!<P>I tend to agree that there isn't much difference between Dem and Rep...However, Republicans aren't trying to overtly userp my individual freedoms....<P><BR>Bill</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>I'd have to add that BOTH parties are trying to usurp individual freedoms. They just have different freedoms in their sights. <P>With Republicans in control of the White House, Senate, House, Supreme Court, and 30 State Governer's offices, I worry that things could tip in favor of social conservatism, legislated morality, and court decisions that could adversely affect the rights of women and minorities.<P>In case you're wondering, I'm going for some third-party candidate, since neither Bush nor Gore fits with my own fiscally conservative/socially liberal ideals.<P>One thing that scares me is what I mentioned above. If Bush wins the election, one party will be in control of virtually all the federal government. I don't think our Founding Fathers would be happy to see us inching, even slowly, towards one-party rule.<BR>

Cjack,<P>Remember how it was in the 6o's when the Democrats controlled the whole Gov't?<P>We got Viet Nem....and LBJ's wonderful welfare programs....<P>If the libertarians had a chance I'd vote that way....since they don't GW is the best chance I have in seeing some of these absurd socialistic policies reversed.<P>Bill

GEORGE W. BUSH - ALL THE WAY!!!<P>He'll take Georgia easy.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WilliamJ:<BR><B>Cjack,<P>Remember how it was in the 6o's when the Democrats controlled the whole Gov't?<P>We got Viet Nem....and LBJ's wonderful welfare programs....<P>If the libertarians had a chance I'd vote that way....since they don't GW is the best chance I have in seeing some of these absurd socialistic policies reversed.<P>Bill</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'll have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of Gore as a "socialist." He's a liberal, and he wants far too much of my money than I'm willing to give, but to brand him as a Marxist is unfair. I studied Marx a bit in college, and I don't think Gore is in favor of state control of everything! <P>Certainly, federal programs like LBJ's and Roosevelt's were failures, but the corporate welfare we have today is hardly better. Republicans are just as guilty of wasting tax dollars as the Democrats. While Gore would continue federal subsidies to farmers, small businesses, tobacco companies, and such, Bush would probably sign bills continuing huge tax breaks and subsidies for giant corporations like Nike, Archer Daniels Midland, and others. While special interest groups like the Sierra Club and Greenpeace funnel cash to Gore, the oil companies and defense contractors are hard at work trying to buy the Bush/Cheney ticket. Whichever candidate wins, they will use our tax dollars to pay back those favors. That's why I can't bring myself to vote for either of these guys.<P>Sure, Browne or Hagelin have no chance to win, but it would be cold comfort to know I had voted for a "winner" whom I didn't really want to win.<P>If you really want a Libertarian to win, vote for him. He may not win this time, but if enough people like you said "enough is enough," maybe the two big parties would start to listen to us, instead of just listening to their major contributors.<P>

Cjack,<P>I like GW. I see 3rd parties that haven't a chance as a detriment to his chances....If The libertarians had a viable chance as in The UK's third party does I may change my opinion. It won't be a cold comfort to vote for GW.<P>Corporate welfare is as much rubbish as the Trade Deficit. This a a leftist media tag given to try to continue their class warfare.<P>I don't see Gore as a Communist but he is a socialist if I ever saw one. I think the republicans place alot more faith in our ability to make our own decisions.<P>The other thing is how Gore would try to continue the systimatic repeal of the 2nd amendment. GW like me is a lifetime member of the NRA.<P>Well I have enjoyed this debate today but I have to scoot, things to do places to go, and people to see.<P>Bill

GWB gets my vote for character and policy. The idea of watching Gore everynight on the news is so unappealing to me!

GORE!!!!!!!<P>The irony of anyone saying that they are voting for Bush because he has character frightens me! If he has such good character, why then, within the past year, did he LIE and say that he had not been arrested since 1968 when in fact he was arrested AND CONVICTED of drunk driving in 1976. You don't forget that. Also, he has all but admitted his fairly recent cocaine use and heavy alcohol abuse - he just didn't ever get arrested for it. Wonder why not?<P>There is Nothing to blemish Al Gore's good character except Republican mud slinging.<P>Bush says all the things that any moron would like to hear, but he is all FLUFF with no idea how to accomplish any of his prattle. His father is an intelligent man who earned his stripes with years of hard work in a tough political world. G W, however, is a happy go lucky spoiled little Frat boy who never grew up. Look at that smirk he wears on his face much of the time and tell me...... would you really buy a used car from that man?

Wesse,<P>Check out this link <A HREF="http://www.originalsources.com/OS11-00MQC/11-3-2000.1.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.originalsources.com/OS11-00MQC/11-3-2000.1.html</A> <P>And Al Gore wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth? Puleeze.....he lived a life of privlage also....and he struggles with the truth alomast as bad as Willie does.<P>Bill

I don't think anyone condones drinking and driving. But at least Gov. Bush took the heat<BR>without running back to his Daddy. (who at the time was a prominent political figure). <P>Al Gore was on a talk show last week and revealed that he ran from police, while on<BR>his motorcycle because, he had three other people on his bike at the time. (I find that<BR>hard to beleive!)<P>I just think the timing was a little too suspicious. I mean 4 days before the election. The judge had the arrest record pulled 4 months before, so it seems that the whole thing was planned. <BR>

<B>The idea of watching Gore everynight on the news is so unappealing to me!</B><P>Wow. What a great way to choose a national leader. Please forgive my cynicism, but come on folks. It's not about TV entertainment. <P>(not to pick on anyone in particular -- this has been mentioned more than once.)<BR>

As a native TN & a TX for the last 19 yrs, if I had gotten the change of address for out of the country done in time I vote for BUSH. <P>He was raised right which is more than you can say for Gore. He calls himself a Tennessean, I think my children have spent more time in TN than he has. George W has proven he can work with both parties, as he did in the TX leg. & it is never easy working with Texans of different parties.<P> Thank goodness my not voting will not hurt the vote in TX, wish I could have registered in TN. <P>Whoever wins we still have the greatest country & political system in the world, & we know that if it does end up in the Electoral College that it will be done peacefully. God Bless America.

I am going to vote for Jean Chretian.<P>If I were American I would vote for Al Gore. Don't know much about him, But I like Clinton, so wouldn't he serve your country somewhat like him? I think Clinton did much to turn your country around. He certainly brought a lot of attention to it anyway

You're right about the attention anyway. Made us the laughing stock of the world!!<P>I'm voting for Harry Brown. Posted a thread before, but didn't get too many bites. Here it is:<BR> <A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum37/HTML/006108.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum37/HTML/006108.html</A> <P>(Had to go search for it, why doesn't it come up on a name search anymore?)

In the final analysis I suppose one would do just about as good a job as the other. I lean toward a conservative point of view, and I like Bush's "spit and fire" persona as compared to Gore's competent but "wooden" personality. Guess I can overlook Bush's youthful penchant for driving with an open can of Busch Guess I'm pretty shallow this year, huh?<BR>Rockaway

Definitely GORE!

Somebody...<P>please explain to me...how any candidtate that favors the partial extraction of a fully developed baby from it's mother's womb in which a needled is inserted into the back of the skull and 'conviently' extinguishes it's life before it is fully born...can have have any respect for human life?????????<P>If he believes in supporting a woman's 'right' to carry out this procedure on a baby, what gives us any reason to believe he gives a rat's a** about anything else of value in this world?????<P>Oh...by the way...less than 5% of the 30+ million babies aborted in the last 27 years...were conceived as a result of incest or rape.<P>And...prior to Roe vs. Wade...whenever a decision for the life of a mother was on the line...aborting the child was never an issue. They always sought to save the life of the mother.<P>Oh...and one other question...regarding Clinton and the economy... Just WHAT has his government done...to improve the economy? <P>I thought it was You...the hard working citizens...that utilized your skills, talents, and ingenuity...that has brought about the prosperity. Is it possible...that Clinton just happened to be at the right place at the right time...and got credit for it?<P>And...what would it profit a man (or nation) if they gained the whole world, yet lost their soul?<p>[This message has been edited by lighthouse (edited November 06, 2000).]

My, my a lot of you are so judgemental - based on past practices of a party or who they may have worked with?.<P>How many of you would want your spouse to lose his/her job because of their infidelity?<P>Just had to get my thoughts out - there is no perfect answer out there - I just pray a lot. How can one person please all of the people all of the time? Can't be done - especially in these times.<BR>

lighthouse,<P>But have you noticed that even on this important issue, the right to life of the unborn, the positions between Republicans and Democrats are not very different???<P>I would truly love to see the Libertarians take office in the next 10-20 years.<P>Their platform is that the government's only Constitutional role is in the protection of its citizens life, liberty and property. Not in social engineering or telling me what color to paint my fence!<P>You are entirely correct that the economy has grown from the information age DESPITE the government. Just think how much better it could be!<P>Unfortunately I do not believe that reversing Roe v. Wade would significantly reduce the number of abortions. I have volunteered in Crisis Pregnancy Clinics. I think the only real way to stem the tide is to educate women on the biological realities of pregnancy.

Bush. <P>Eight years of lies from the White House is more than enough.

So how do you figure Bush gets you out of eight years of White House lying? Bush lied about his DWI, he lied on a jury application in Texas about having been busted, he lied about his National Guard service, and he's never yet told us about his substance abuse in college.<P>No one party has a patent on truth, but if you're thinking this intellectually-void good ol' boy will bring Truth, Justice, and the American Way to the White house, guess again, Cochise.<P>Frankly, I'm looking forward to a Republican administration. Maybe now all the Clinton-haters will shut up and find someone else to blame.

Cottonwood,<P>trust me my vote has very little to do with not wanting to see Gore on TV, that's just an extra. I won't vote for him because...<BR>1. He is for killing babies..he values the spotted owl more than an unborn life<BR>2. He is for homosexual marriages <BR>3. He had the most liberal voting record of any senator while in the senate.<BR>4. He is for huge government<BR>5. He will raise taxes<P>I do believe he would bring greater character to the White House than his present boss, he is a family man who loves his wife and children and she is a sharp lady herself. I won't vote for him because of his policies not his personality.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WilliamJ:<BR><B>Cjack,<P><BR>Corporate welfare is as much rubbish as the Trade Deficit. This a a leftist media tag given to try to continue their class warfare.<P><BR>Bill</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>Ok, Bill, I'll have to take you on with regards to corporate welfare. I'm a member of the media, and I'm not "leftist," nor are the people I work for. <P>I can point to a form of corporate welfare that has sprung up in recent years that you can't deny: Football stadiums.<P>Here in Phoenix, there is a ballot initiative asking voters to approve a 300 million dollar stadium funded mostly by tax dollars. It is estimated that the Arizona Cardinals (who would get the use of the stadium and all the profits generated therein) would pay about 75 million of that. The rest would be taken from sales taxes on hotels and rental cars. In addition, over 100 million dollars will have to be spent in supporting infrastructure around the stadium, paid for by municipal taxes. Of course, there will be a positive economic impact of having a major sports complex in town, but why should taxes pay for it?<P>In fact, the Cardinals organization threatened to move out of town if they didn't get a taxpayer-funded stadium. That's extortion, plain and simple. But it happened with the Rams, the Colts, the Browns, etc. Our very own Bank One Ballpark in downtown Phoenix was built with tax dollars. The man who owns the team that plays there (Diamondbacks), Jerry Colangelo, is one of the richest men in Arizona, and could damn well have afforded it on his own, but we wound up paying for it. Why should we have to?<P>Another example is Mercedes. They chose to build their plant in Birmingham, Alabama based upon tax credits. They shopped their proposed facility around to a number of different cities, and B'ham was the one that gave them the sweetest deal. Mercedes didn't have to pay a dime for access roads, traffic signals, parking lots, and they got years of tax-free operation. Why should taxpayers have to bribe businesses?<P>Whether you think it's a liberal media conspiracy or not, your tax dollars are going to "prop up" some very profitable private businesses that do not need the help.<BR>

Wow he loves his wife and children! That's gotta be the greatest reason to vote for someone that I have ever heard. So I guess from that I assume that Gore doesn't love his wife and kids? So how are you privy to all this personal info? <P>Yes we are a joke to the rest of world. All this effects our ability to be taken seriously when it comes to issues of foreign policy.<P>

Good point, cjack. And a good segue into this:<P>George W. Bush took a half-million dollar loan to buy a 2% share of the Texas Rangers baseball team. It wasn't hard for him to get this loan because he'd already served on the Board of Directors at the lending bank, United Bank of Midland, TX, according to the <I>Wall Street Journal</I>. This was when he was 34. Although he wasn’t governor then, he used his family's influence to pass a scheme to get an expensive new stadium built for the Rangers, with the City of Arlington fronting the entire bill. [So much for not wanting taxpayers to pay for big projects, eh?] The agreement let the Rangers rent-to-own the $190 million stadium, but it also gave the team the power to purchase it for only $60 million of total rent payments. It seems that the only reason they haven’t done so is<BR>apparently that they don’t want to pay the property tax. This deal was explicitly arranged to use the City’s power of eminent<BR>domain to seize homeowners’ property for the private ballpark.<P>Seize private property? Not our Georgie, you may say. However, that part was proven in court when one evicted family was awarded $4 million in damages. So after floating this expensive deal on the back of a sales tax imposed on Arlington, Bush sells his 2% stake for $14.9 million. That’s about a two thousand percent return on his investment over nine years. <P>Imagine how much money he'll make as president. Pass the collection plate folks. And when your kids are paying off huge deficits again, think about that.

TMD<P>Actually I was speaking of Gore when I said that about his wife and children. From all testimonials that people both republican and democrat that I had heard on some reports had said that. My closing statement was that I would not vote for Gore due to his policies and my vote would have nothing to do with his personality or personal life

...yeah, but isn't it a beautiful ballpark? I especially like the view from Friday's Front Row!<P>

Put me down for Bush. <P>-----------------------------------<BR>Thought you folks would be interested in actual quotes by Al Gore:<P>"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure!" --Al Gore<P>"Democrats understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child."<BR>-Vice President Al Gore<P><BR>"Welcome to President Clinton, Mrs. Clinton, and my fellow astronauts."<BR>--Vice President Al Gore<P>"Mars is essentially in the same orbit... Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen<BR>pictures where there are canals, we believe, & water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can<BR>breathe."<BR>-Vice President Al Gore, 8/11/94<P>"The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century."<BR>-- Vice President Al Gore, 9/15/95<P>"I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy - but that could change." <BR>--Vice President Al Gore, 5/22/98<P>"One word probably sums up the responsibility of any vice president,<BR>and that one word is "to be prepared"." --Vice President Al Gore, 12/6/93<P>"Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things!"<BR>-Vice President Al Gore, 11/30/96<P><BR>"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future." -Vice President Al Gore<P>"The future will be better tomorrow!"<BR>- Vice President Al Gore<P>"People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history."<BR>-Vice President Al Gore<P>"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made!" -Vice President Al Gore to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/93<P>"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."<BR>-Vice President Al Gore<P>"Public speaking is very easy!"<BR>--Vice President Al Gore to reporters in 10/95<P>"I am not part of the problem. I am a Democrat!"<BR>--Vice President Al Gore<P>"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls." -Vice President Al Gore<P>"When I have been asked who caused the riots and the killings in L.A., my answer has been direct & simple: Who is to blame for the<BR>riots? The rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame."<BR>-Al Gore<P>"Illegitimacy is something we should talk about in terms of not having it." --Vice President Al Gore, 5/20/96<P>"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."<BR>- Vice-President Al Gore, 9/22/97<P>"For NASA, space is still a high priority!"<BR>-Vice President Al Gore, 9/5/93<P>"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children." -Vice President Al Gore, 9/18/95<P>"The American people would not want to know of any misquotes that Al Gore may or may not make." -Vice President Al Gore<P>"We're all capable of mistakes, but I do not care to enlighten you on the mistakes we may or may not have made." <BR>-Vice President Al Gore<P>"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."<BR>-Vice President Al Gore<P>"It's time for the human race to enter the solar system."<BR>-- Vice President Al Gore<P>AND, OF COURSE, THE ALL TIME FAVORITE QUOTATION OF MR. AL GORE:<BR>"As many of you know, I was very instrumental in the founding of the<BR>Internet"<BR>--AL Gore to Katie Couric 3/99<BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>On July 8, 1947, witnesses claim a spaceship with five aliens aboard crashed on a sheep-and-cattle ranch outside Roswell NM, an incident they say has been covered up by the military.<P>On March 31, 1948, almost exactly nine months after that day, Al Gore was born. That clears up a lot of things!<BR>

ROTFLOL

and in the interest of fairness, here's a partial list of some of the bright things Bush has had to say:<P>"The fact that he relies on facts—says things that are not factual—are going to undermine his campaign."—New York Times, March 4, 2000 (Thanks to Garry Trudeau.) <P>"I think we agree, the past is over."—On his meeting with John McCain, Dallas Morning News, May 10, 2000<P>"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."--Reuters, May 5, 2000 (Thanks to Allison Fansler.)<P>GOV. BUSH: Because the picture on the newspaper. It just seems so un-American to me, the picture of the guy storming the house with a scared little boy there. I talked to my little brother, Jeb—I haven't told this to many people. But he's the governor of—I shouldn't call him my little brother--my brother, Jeb, the great governor of Texas. <BR>JIM LEHRER: Florida. <BR>GOV. BUSH: Florida. The state of the Florida.—The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer, April 27, 2000<P>"Laura and I really don't realize how bright our children is sometimes until we get an objective analysis."—Meet the Press, April 15, 2000<P>"You subscribe politics to it. I subscribe freedom to it."—Responding to a question about whether he and Al Gore were making the Elián González case a political issue. In Palm Beach, Fla., as quoted by the Associated Press, April 6, 2000 (Thanks to Helen Kennedy.)<P>"I was raised in the West. The west of Texas. It's pretty close to California. In more ways than Washington, D.C., is close to California."—In Los Angeles as quoted by the Los Angeles Times, April 8, 2000 <P>"Reading is the basics for all learning."—Announcing his "Reading First" initiative in Reston, Va., March 28, 2000 (Thanks to Carl LaRocca.)<P>"We want our teachers to be trained so they can meet the obligations, their obligations as teachers. We want them to know how to teach the science of reading. In order to make sure there's not this kind of federal—federal cufflink."—At Fritsche Middle School, Milwaukee, March 30, 2000 <P>"Other Republican candidates may retort to personal attacks and negative ads."—Fund-raising letter from George W. Bush, quoted in the Washington Post, March 24, 2000 <P><BR>"People make suggestions on what to say all the time. I'll give you an example; I don't read what's handed to me. People say, 'Here, here's your speech, or here's an idea for a speech.' They're changed. Trust me."—Interview with the New York Times, March 15, 2000<P>"It's evolutionary, going from governor to president, and this is a significant step, to be able to vote for yourself on the ballot, and I'll be able to do so next fall, I hope."—In an interview with the Associated Press, March 8, 2000 (Thanks to Joshua Micah Marshall.) <P>"It is not Reaganesque to support a tax plan that is Clinton in nature.''—Los Angeles, Feb. 23, 2000<P>"I understand small business growth. I was one."—New York Daily News, Feb. 19, 2000 <P>"The senator has got to understand if he's going to have—he can't have it both ways. He can't take the high horse and then claim the low road."—To reporters in Florence, S.C., Feb. 17, 2000<P>"I thought how proud I am to be standing up beside my dad. Never did it occur to me that he would become the gist for cartoonists."—ibid.<P>"If you're sick and tired of the politics of cynicism and polls and principles, come and join this campaign."—Hilton Head, S.C., Feb. 16, 2000<P>"How do you know if you don't measure if you have a system that simply suckles kids through?"—Explaining the need for educational accountability in Beaufort, S.C., Feb. 16, 2000<P>"We ought to make the pie higher."—South Carolina Republican Debate, Feb. 15, 2000<P>"I do not agree with this notion that somehow if I go to try to attract votes and to lead people toward a better tomorrow somehow I get subscribed to some—some doctrine gets subscribed to me."—Meet The Press, Feb. 13, 2000 <P>"I've changed my style somewhat, as you know. I'm less—I pontificate less, although it may be hard to tell it from this show. And I'm more interacting with people."—ibid<P>"I think we need not only to eliminate the tollbooth to the middle class, I think we should knock down the tollbooth."—Nashua, N.H., as quoted by Gail Collins in the New York Times, Feb. 1, 2000<P>"The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case."—Pella, Iowa, as quoted by the San Antonio Express-News, Jan. 30, 2000<P>"Will the highways on the Internet become more few?"—Concord, N.H., Jan. 29, 2000<P>"This is Preservation Month. I appreciate preservation. It's what you do when you run for president. You gotta preserve."—Speaking during "Perseverance Month" at Fairgrounds Elementary School in Nashua, N.H. As quoted in the Los Angeles Times, Jan. 28, 2000<P>"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."—Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000<P>"What I am against is quotas. I am against hard quotas, quotas they basically delineate based upon whatever. However they delineate, quotas, I think vulcanize society. So I don't know how that fits into what everybody else is saying, their relative positions, but that's my position.''—Quoted by Molly Ivins, the San Francisco Chronicle, Jan. 21, 2000 (Thanks to Toni L. Gould.)<P>"When I was coming up, it was a dangerous world, and you knew exactly who they were," he said. "It was us vs. them, and it was clear who them was. Today, we are not so sure who the they are, but we know they're there."—Iowa Western Community College, Jan 21, 2000<P>"The administration I'll bring is a group of men and women who are focused on what's best for America, honest men and women, decent men and women, women who will see service to our country as a great privilege and who will not stain the house."—Des Moines Register debate, Iowa, Jan. 15, 2000<P>"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mential losses."—At a South Carolina oyster roast, as quoted in the Financial Times, Jan. 14, 2000<P>"We must all hear the universal call to like your neighbor just like you like to be liked yourself."—ibid.<P>"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"—Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000<P>"Gov. Bush will not stand for the subsidation of failure."—ibid.<P>"There needs to be debates, like we're going through. There needs to be town-hall meetings. There needs to be travel. This is a huge country."—Larry King Live, Dec. 16, 1999<P>"I read the newspaper."—In answer to a question about his reading habits, New Hampshire Republican Debate, Dec. 2, 1999<P>"I think it's important for those of us in a position of responsibility to be firm in sharing our experiences, to understand that the babies out of wedlock is a very difficult chore for mom and baby alike. ... I believe we ought to say there is a different alternative than the culture that is proposed by people like Miss Wolf in society. ... And, you know, hopefully, condoms will work, but it hasn't worked."—Meet the Press, Nov. 21, 1999<P>"The students at Yale came from all different backgrounds and all parts of the country. Within months, I knew many of them."—From A Charge To Keep, by George W. Bush, published November 1999<P>"It is incredibly presumptive for somebody who has not yet earned his party's nomination to start speculating about vice presidents."—Keene, N.H., Oct. 22, 1999, quoted in the New Republic, Nov. 15, 1999<P>"The important question is, How many hands have I shaked?"—Answering a question about why he hasn't spent more time in New Hampshire, in the New York Times, Oct. 23, 1999<P>"I don't remember debates. I don't think we spent a lot of time debating it. Maybe we did, but I don't remember."—On discussions of the Vietnam War when he was an undergraduate at Yale, Washington Post, July 27, 1999<P>"The only thing I know about Slovakia is what I learned first-hand from your foreign minister, who came to Texas."—To a Slovak journalist as quoted by Knight Ridder News Service, June 22, 1999. Bush's meeting was with Janez Drnovsek, the prime minister of Slovenia.<P>"If the East Timorians decide to revolt, I'm sure I'll have a statement."—Quoted by Maureen Dowd in the New York Times, June 16, 1999<P>"It was just inebriating what Midland was all about then."—From a 1994 interview, as quoted in First Son, by Bill Minutaglio <P> <P>

I love both collections of quotes; just shows how idiotic anyone can sound if all of their words are being transcribed each and every day.<P>Put me down for Gore, I suppose, in what Bill Safire calls a "clothespin vote" (because you need a clothespin on your nose to avoid the stink).<P>In all fairness, though, virtually every one of the quotes purportedly from Gore are actually from one of my favorite Republicans of the past decade or so -- Danforth Quayle. Run any one of them through a common search engine, and I think you'll agree. <P>Take care everyone. And REMEMBER TO VOTE!

Bush did not lie. No one ever asked him about it. So where was the lie? Even the Gore people and the liberals on the TV admit he didn't lie. Now how about Gores dogs scrip costing more than his MIL's? Even his own people had to admit he made that up! Just sounded good I guess. Also Gore got a special appt. to be a photographer in VC because of his Daddy. What a daaaannngerous assignment, a photographer. Please! Gore supports abortion on demand right up until birth. I support abortion during the first trimester. I don't like it but I can compromise there. Anyone who can support partial birth abortion like Gore does is not fit to be President in my opinion. And I'll be voting for Bush tomorrow. He may not be perfect but he has the guts to say that Partial Birth Abortion is wrong. That says alot about his character to me.

CJACK,<P> How would you like to be living in Cincinnati, paying for a stadium for the Bungles (no typo). Brown held the city hostage.<P>

it ain't much of a selection, but...<P>Gotta be Bush.<P>Why? I am nasueated by Gore's pompous, arrogant know-it-all attitude, his condescending manner of speaking, and especially his "celebration" of Clinton after the impeachment vote. Ack! He's a spineless liar.<P>One issue I wish W would have played up more is the surplus. The decision of what should be done with the surplus money highlights the difference in philosophy between democrats and republicans. W's answer need only have been 4 words: "<B>whose money is it?</B>"<P>Gore's BS about Bush spending the surplus on tax cuts for the "wealthiest 1%" is just class warfare rhetoric. Everyone who overpaid should get back the amount that they overpaid. That simple. It is not the government's money. Even if they can comeup with a "worthy" use for it - it isn't theirs to spend. If you had a restaurant bill of $15 and you gave them $20 and they said "We have a good use for that extra $5" would you allow this? No! Not even if they kept it in a "lock-box" <P>That being said, Bush is no prize. But a Gore presidency MUST be prevented.<p>[This message has been edited by 2sad4words (edited November 07, 2000).]

Cjack,<P>Which arm of the media do you work? Newspaper..TV..Radio?? Who did your paper/station endorse?<P>Oh and the retoric you have espoused kinda made my point about the liberal media. <P>That's all right...I still love ya Buddy...<P>Take care,<P>Bill

Registered Democrat, voting for Bush. I'm pro choice at its very most conseravtive. I think the "choice" needs to be before getting in bed, and abortion as birth control is abysmal behavior. Abortion for rape, incest & mother's life is a very small percentage of abortions and completely acceptable. <P>I watched all 3 debates, not because I was undecided, more because I wanted to be assured of my choice, I am not a one issue voter. I found Bush's answers to be the answers to the questions asked, and closer to what I wanted to hear. Gore was more likely than Bush to answer or redirect to a question he was not asked.<P>Many of the town hall debate questioners in my opinion asked questions that were liberally phrased & easy for Gore, difficult for Bush.<P>It is said that Clinton was elected by soccer moms partially because he's so charmingly appealing & his physical stature. Neither Bush or Gore has Clinton's "I'm lying but don't you just want to believe me honey/country" manner. Gore sighed & snorted all through the first debate when Bush was speaking, after a lifetime in politics, he knows how microphones work--it was petty. Not the reason Bush gets my vote, but not a point in Gore's favor.<P>I like the fact that Bush has worked in the real world and is not a lifetime inhabitant of Washington.<P>Bush says he was an indifferent student, yet has an MBA from Harvard. According to Rush Limbaugh, Gore flunked out of a college AND a Divinity School. (Rush adds "how do you flunk God?") And no, I'm not a dittohead either.<P>And last, I live right next to an elementary school used for voting. The street has been packed ever since 7 am, I've lived here 12 years and never seen so many cars on voting day.<p>[This message has been edited by Lor (Lor) (edited November 07, 2000).]

Bush sighed and giggled through all the debates.<P>Again I say, there is no perfect answer, they both have good points and bad points.<P>I believe the abortion issue should not even be involved in politics, that is really bugging me. I am not basing the nation's well-being on whether or not someone is pro-life or pro-choice. That comes down to the woman making the choice and if she can live with it. No man should decide that for a woman.<P>I shouldn't reply to this thread it is really starting to get to me.<P>Back to something easy ?!?!?! OW's, OC's, WS's, etc, etc, etc.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WilliamJ:<BR><B>Cjack,<P>Which arm of the media do you work? Newspaper..TV..Radio?? Who did your paper/station endorse?<P>Oh and the retoric you have espoused kinda made my point about the liberal media. <P>That's all right...I still love ya Buddy...<P>Take care,<P>Bill</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ok, Bill, here we go...<P>Radio. Station endorses no one. Program director, general manager, and most execs up the line are registered Republicans. Each on-air person is free to endorse whomever they like. One of the guys on our morning show does a dead on Dubya impression, so he'll be happy if Bush wins.<P>Personally, I consider myself conservative, voted for Reagan and Bush, then became disenchanted with the GOP, and started looking for other options. I voted straight Libertarian last time.<P>As for "rhetoric" and "liberal media," those are terms straight from Rush Limbaugh's mouth. Taxpayer-funded sporting venues are a fact of life, not just "liberal media rhetoric." In fact, one of the most vocal opponents of the stadium here in Phoenix is also one of the most hard-line conservative talk show hosts. Just the other night I heard a lively round table discussion on that station,which carries Rush and Dr. Laura and is generally known as a haven for right-wing views. All of the station's hosts were dead-set against the idea. That station is owned by the same company which syndicates Rush and Dr. Laura, and is owned by some good 'ol boy Texas oil barons, who are Bush cronies.<P>How does it follow that a conservative host on a conservative station can come out against an instance of corporate welfare, and still be part of the "liberal media?"<P>When our taxes go to support businesses that cannot or will not support themselves, THAT is socialism.

<BR>I'm a card carrying member of the Libertarian Party. I donated money to the LP's candidate for US Senate in my state. Enough said.<P>Bystander

Cjack,<P>I stand corrected.....<P>Glad to see you are an open minded member of the media...One of my best friends is a local broadcaster here( TV anchor ). He also was an am Morning show guy...He and I have discussed the liberalism at his station many times....<P>As far as Rush....He is right you know <P>Bill

Liberal media?! I know you are joking right. Some of that right wing propaganda. Since the vast majority of media are owned by corporations run by old white guys (sorry any old white guys out there) the liberal media label is really laughable. The bottom line with the media is money. And which is traditional party of big business? I work for one of the major TV networks so I have seen it from the inside. <P>My favorite Bush story is when he was asked whether he was dyslexic. He replied that No he never had problems with his stomach.

Bush is an idiot. did anyone hear his statement "do they think Social Security is some kind of federal program?"<P>Uh...Yeah! I think it is!<P>Do you want someone that clueless to be president?<P>If Bush wins, I'll be reprinting those bumper stickers from the Nixon election that say "Don't blame me, I'm from Massachusetts". <P>Gore's got problems, too, but at least he has a clue. He seems to know what the issues are. His answers in the debates reflected a detailed knowledge of his proposals and those that Bush is behind. Bush sounded like he didn't know any of the facts.<P>The 3rd party guys - I just haven't found one I like any better than Gore, so to prevent the moron from getting into office, my vote goes to Gore.<P>Did anyone see the commercial with the donkey and the elephant?<P>Elephant: "My Dad and I wear the same pants"<BR>Donkey: "I invented pants"<P>The funniest commercial I've seen in a while. It really paiints both candidates as the idiots they are.

I havn't posted on the forum for months--just<BR>lurking on occassion--but I want to put my 2 cents worth in.<P>I am a Republican. My son-in-law is a Republican politition, and a very good one as far as I am concerned. Mostly because he believes that his job is to serve, not be served (and just in case he forgets, my daughter and I remind him of it once in awhile.) Naturally I voted for Bush....I have no reason to cross party lines.<P>I believe that it is the sworn duty of any elected official--president or otherwise--to uphold our constitution first and formost.<BR>And our constitution quarantees every man, woman or child in this country the right to<BR>life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness etc. and etc.<P>But then here comes the clincher. Human beings have this strange knack of being able to justify almost anything they want to do.<BR>Just as we all here know how well a WS is able to justify adultery (emotional or otherwise) we are able to somehow justify denying the right to life or liberty if it suits our purposes. <P>Years ago we justified slavery by claiming that people of color were not human, therefore our constitution did not apply to them. No doubt we also justified our treatment of the American Indians the same way. We all here know just how insanely rediculas those justifications are, just as justification for adultery is insanely rediculas. I'm sure the Germans and Hitler were also able to somehow justify the extermination of millions of Jews during the Holocost. In fact, if I have my facts straight, I believe that the justification for that was that the Jews were not human. <BR>Some of us even go so far as to claim that God led us or that we are serving God in some way or another. That's typical of our human nature.<P>So what does this have to do with why I vote Republican? Simply this: today we justify denying unborn baby's the right to life the exact same way that all injustice and all things evil are justified...THEY ARE NOT HUMAN. So when did God give us the right to decide what is and what is not human and when it is human?<P>Our constitution quarantee's every man, woman, and child the right to life--that <BR>includes children yet to be born as well as children who are fortunate enough to have lived past the slaughter of innocent unborn babys. <P>CJ<P> <P>------------------<BR>Psalm 42<p>[This message has been edited by CJB80 (edited November 07, 2000).]

Hey Kalgrl...nice to see another member of the media here.<P>I crack up every time I hear "liberal media conspiracy." I don't know about you, but I'm a card carrying member! <P>So what dept are you in...production, sales, news? I'm a production director...spending my day dubbing spots for...tv!

Dubuya

Hey cjack I work in Production Finance/Accounting. The "liberal media" I never got that. Maybe in the 1960/70's. But like I said it's all about money and keeping shareholders happy. Creativity, the well being of their employees does not matter anymore. Oh well getting off the subject.<P>Gotta go vote!

Hey media friends....not for nothin and I am certain you are open minded as the next person...but...why even try to deny the liberal slant portrayed in the media? I'm not saying that you are a flamming liberal...I make no bones about my conservatism...It is who and what I am...I just don't don't understand how you can deny the fact that the media (print and TV) are liberal minded as hell....or am I the one that is blind and in denial??<P><BR>BTW...I pressed the button for Bush.<P>You know I was thinking about all those quotes...If I had to make a billion speeches a day I'd probably make a few errors too! However I still think Gore is a pathological liar as was Bubba.<P>I'll restate my Polital Science profeesor friend agian.... <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>If you're not Liberal at 20 you have no heart, and if you're not conservative at 40 you have no mind.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Sorry guys just MHO!<P>Can we still be friends?<P>Bill<P>oops...I hope my typos didn't make me sound too harsh.<p>[This message has been edited by WilliamJ (edited November 07, 2000).]

Political views are entirely subjective. You are seeing things thru your own conservative pov. Very simple. Sorry can't be friends with NRA members it's against my religion. <P>Hey Truthseeker yeah I saw that commercial. It was great!<BR>Y[This message has been edited by KalGrl (edited November 07, 2000).]<p>[This message has been edited by KalGrl (edited November 07, 2000).]

Oh...can't be friends with an NRA member?<BR>What religion is that...and show me one instance where the NRA hurt Americans?<P>BTW...I'm friends with pro choicers, and that goes against my religion.<P>Since we're all seemingly intelligent adults, can we agree to disagree?<P>You know this topic is as bad if not worse than religion...We all have our own POV...As I said before that's what makes America so great!<P>Well I need to go press some bullets for my guns <P>Bill

Dr. Harley for President!! Just kidding....<P>My my, didn't know some of us were so thinned skinned I love all of you anyway! Bill, my friend, I voted for Gore, but ofcourse we still can be friends. I actually don't dislike Bush though either.<P>I don't affiliate myself with either party, however I guess I can see why they seperated church from state (oh no, maybe I'm starting another debate,lol). Oh, by the way, no I don't believe in abortion, homosexual relationships and all those other sensitive issues. However, people are gonna do what the hell they want and neither Gore or Bush will stop them. <BR> <BR>And if I wasn't a cop, I'd still own a gun. Just can't take it to the delivery room with me this month, or I'll be on the other side of the bars...<P><BR>------------------<BR><B>Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change...Courage to change the things I can...And the wisdom to know the difference.</B><P>lady_divine77@yahoo.com<p>[This message has been edited by jamie-lee (edited November 07, 2000).]

I think Kalgrl hit pretty close to the mark on one thing: Your own views tend to cloud the way you see things. For myself, my cynicsm makes me suspicious of BOTH parties.<P>I think some media lean liberal (newspapers), some media are heavily right-wing (talk radio, anyone?), and some are a mixed bag, just check out the political section of your local magazine rack. I don't know if I'd pin a liberal bias on all media. The tv networks, like she said, are for whatever will make them more money.<P>One of my favorite talk shows is no longer on the air. Pat Buchanan, whose views I strongly disagree with, hosted a radio show much like "Crossfire." He would have liberal guests, while he held up the conservative side. The great thing is that he actually let the other side talk and respectfully disagreed with them. At least Pat acknowledged that there are other views that are equally valid.<P>As for the NRA, boy, we're opening up ALL the cans of worms, aren't we?!<P>I remember getting the NRA magazines at the house (dad was a member), and I thought that they were a great organization dedicated to promoting gun safety and responsible firearm ownership. Nowadays it seems like they're just another band of Washington lobbyists trying to get their cronies elected. I mean, for the past couple of years they've been running anti-Clinton ads and he's not even eligible for re-election! I think if they would spend a little less money of Heston's tv ads and more on education, they'd get a whole lot farther. <P>Friends? Sure. I don't pick my friends based on party affiliation. Some of my best friends are Dittoheads...I can forgive them!

Glad to see we're still friends,cjack...<P>I got to stop comming to this thread. LOL<P>I love the debate, however it is getting my blood pressure up. LOL<P>I generaly don't wear my views on my shoulder like I have done here...but once the floodgate opened....well....<P>Anyhow, it has been a spirited albeit a bit frustrating debate...I will now put my views on politics to rest and get back to shareing my experience, my strength and hope on infidelity.<P>Hey Kalgirl, we may not on agree, but I still love ya. <P>Bill

Rather than retype all of this, thought I would just paste my sentiments from an email I sent to a neighbor in response to her allegation that Bush will not fight for women's issues.....obviously I voted for George W. and I'm proud of it:<P><BR>You say he "will not fight for women's issues" - I disagree. I say<BR>> > > he<BR>> > > won't fight for liberal issues.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > I am, after all, a woman and he is the one fighting for the issues<BR>> > > that I<BR>> > > care about.....<BR>> > ><BR>> > > such as:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > 1. Protecting my constitutional freedom to defend my family (yes with<BR>> > > guns)<BR>> > > in the event that my home is invaded by a criminal looking to hurt my<BR>> > > family<BR>> > > with a gun that he has obtained ILLEGALLY.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > 2. He supports marriage - and opposes taxing my spouse and I for<BR>> > > being<BR>> > > married<BR>> > ><BR>> > > 3. He supports MY decision to stay home and raise my own children -<BR>> > > instead<BR>> > > of penalizing me for it.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > 4. He supports MY desire to be able to choose the best school for my<BR>> > > children by support school vouchers.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > 5. He supports MY desire to have more say in my financial security<BR>> > > after<BR>> > > retirement instead of Gore's crap shoot philosophy<BR>> > ><BR>> > > 6. He supports MY desire to do away with partial birth abortions,<BR>> > > whereby a<BR>> > > completely formed child is murdered instead of put up for adoption<BR>> > ><BR>> > > 7. He supports adoption by offering adoption tax credits<BR>> > ><BR>> > > 8. He supports MY desire to increase defense spending in order to<BR>> > > adequately protect our great country and provide for those who bravely<BR>> > > serve<BR>> > > it.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > 9. He fights for my desire to get big government off our backs.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > 10. He fights for bringing back morality, integrity and good sound<BR>> > > values.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > If all of these things make me a gun-toting, right wing, religious<BR>> > > zealot -<BR>> > > then I guess support for Gore would indicate that a person is an<BR>> > > unarmed,<BR>> > > left-wing atheist.....now, does that seem fair? I think supporting<BR>> > > Bush<BR>> > > just makes me a good person.<BR>> > ><BR>

Bush. I come from a family with a srong hunting background and Gore's stance on gun control is out of control!!!!!

Hi guys,<BR> Have been following this thread, reading all the pasionate opinions, all the different viewpoints, the biases, the liberals, the conservatives, the moderates, and I think*********<BR>YEAH BABY!!!!!! This is what this country is all about!!!!! We live in a country where this type of discussion can occur!!!!<BR> My opinion RE the second ammendment, its purpose is not so much that we can protect ourselves from each other, but from an opressive government><P> God bless you, and America,<P>------------------<BR><P>Gregg

It's a mute point now, I voted for G.W.<P>CT

Anyone still here?<P>I finally gave up and went to bed last night. The first thing I heard this morning that it is still undecided thanks to us in Florida...We can't count, but pleeease media, don't blame the computers...

I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if the recount came out to be a tie. Would they hold another election in that state? Would people vote differently? Would more voters turn out knowing how much their vote counts?

Would I change my vote since Harry can't win anyway?<P>Would we have to put up with 2 to 3 months of these guys on our front lawn campaigninig till the last minute, petting our kids?<P>I would then vote for them just to get them to go away! They are saying a judge could order a revote in 60 to 90 days.