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Posted By: Resilient Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 06:21 PM
Will someone please please please respond with a success story where they ended up divorced yet they are very happy and content, BUT didn't get that way via: "and oh by the way, I met someone". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

It would be so refreshing.

Snotty today,
Jo

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Posted By: justthewife Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 06:23 PM
As soon as I finish lunch!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
Posted By: Chris -CA123 Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 06:26 PM
Snotty?
You now have 5000 posts! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
A party maybe?

Okay, I got divorced and didn't "meet anyone".

I'm pretty content.
Very happy?
As I said, I'm pretty content. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />
Remember I haven't had the luxury of contact with the (now) ex, either.
Posted By: Resilient Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 06:35 PM
I know Chris, I saw that after I posted the thread.

5 friggin thousand posts! And of all things, to make the 5K mark with such a "snotty" request too. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

I just read a few of these MB'ers latest posts where they feel so much better after the divorce, but only after the "oh BTW remark". As I'm reading their new-found-self story, I can almost see it coming ....

Thanks for showing up to tell me you are happy with being all on your own. Because I'm still working on that, because for me - I don't want to make anyone else responsible for my happiness. That's my job IMHO.

Semi-snotty now,
Jo
Posted By: newly Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 06:45 PM
I'm much happier on my own now post divorce.
I am not ready to meet anyone, as I'm still cleaning up my own baggage, and becoming the healthy minded person I want to be - for myself and my children.

Life is way too busy to add another person at this time anyway. I'm enjoying just being . . . .

And since it's still early, there is still fallout from the X, so why bring another person into it. X has no problem doing that though, so part of the fallout is explaining to the kids that daddy can date, and that it's OK, and that they can talk to either one of us about it.

These people that date soon, sometimes introduce the children to their dates too soon.
Posted By: justthewife Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 06:52 PM
I am divorced. I am happy and content.

I got there by taking no shortcuts (although I tried several).

I changed the things in my life that were making me unhappy.

I moved close to my family and friends. I put the kids in an excellent school. I lost weight because I didn't like how I looked or felt. (And because the doc said I was gonna stroke out, but hey - ya gotta start somewhere.) I started working out. Natural high is good. I started paying attention to the things I love, but ignored while I was married. I volunteer so much I should be a saint. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> It makes me feel good, and there is nothing like perspective. I found new things to love. A kitty, school, and being able to control who I am.

I stopped: taking everyone elses problems on as my own. Now, I do have my moments, but I know and YELL - I cannot let people live in my head rent free anymore! I will not let them stay!

The only things I can control in this life are my children, and even then I can only do so much.

I finally let it go. He cheated. He was a jerk. It ruined my life... for a time. If I continue to let it ruin my life it's my own dang fault.

And oh, by the way, I met someone. ME. I'm a really neat person. Not perfect by far, but for sure one heck of a cool gal.

You are too my dear. You are smart and funny... and very caring. You've been so kind to me - and I can't even tell you how much that meant.

You'll be fine. Have some chocolate and treat yourself to a bubble bath or $4 cup of coffee... go to those cute little shops downtown and buy yourself something fun. It won't be a long term fix... but will scare the snot-ty right out of you for today.

Empowered today,
E
Posted By: womanoffaith5 Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 07:07 PM
Chris -
I would be interested in an update from you. Where are you at this point in your life. In the past year that I have been here I have seen excellent advice from you, but not much of an update as to how you are doing at this point. Stuff like how often you hear from the ex - is contact with her still painful, stuff like that. It it isn't too personal.
Just curious how life is on this side of the mountain so to speak.
Posted By: MyCatsMom Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 07:07 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by justthewife:
<strong> I am divorced. I am happy and content.

I got there by taking no shortcuts (although I tried several).

I changed the things in my life that were making me unhappy.

I lost weight because I didn't like how I looked or felt.

I started working out. Natural high is good.

I started paying attention to the things I love, but ignored while I was married.

I finally let it go. He cheated. He was a jerk. It ruined my life... for a time. If I continue to let it ruin my life it's my own dang fault.

And oh, by the way, I met someone. ME. I'm a really neat person. Not perfect by far, but for sure one heck of a cool gal.

Empowered today, tomorrow and always!
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Amen, Amen, Amen! I couldn't have said it better myself....that is EXACTLY how I feel.

You can be happy if you choose to be happy. None of us planned to have our lives ripped out from under us....but you still have to respond to it somehow.

How you respond is up to you.

Feeling better than I have in years,
Ms.O
Posted By: Resilient Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 07:30 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Chris -CA123:
Snotty?
You now have 5000 posts! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
A party maybe?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">WARNING!!! Shameless flirting fray ahead.

Sure, we can have a party. What did you have in mind? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

j/k,
Jo
Posted By: be_positive Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 07:37 PM
I ended up divorced in '02. I am now happier and more content than ever before in my life. My happiness comes from the knowledge of these things:

-my worst fear (being left by my W) came true and I survived and lived to thrive again

-my family and friends proved to be an excellent support network, and I became closer to them than ever before

-I tried some new hobbies (ice hockey, guitar playing) over the past few years and get a great deal of enjoyment from them

-I've also devoted more time to my old hobbies (trumpet playing, hiking, rollerblading) than I had in years, and it's been lots of fun

-I strongly believe that the lessons I learned in my failed marriage have changed me for the better

BTW, I did meet someone. But I don't see that as the reason for my happiness. I think the relationship works so well because we both contribute positive feelings and neither of us expects to receive happiness as a result of the relationship.

I believe that being happy, in large part, is a choice we make. That's why I chose my username.

Keep the success stories coming!

BP
Posted By: Resilient Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 07:57 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by justthewife:
And oh, by the way, I met someone. ME. I'm a really neat person. Not perfect by far, but for sure one heck of a cool gal.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">My Dear Empowered Today,

I just love you, and very much love what you said up above, it's truer than you may know.

THAT'S what I'm trying to get to. Loving me, knowing me, making me happy on my own. The only reason I was married was because I feel in love with ex-H. I was not looking for it. I was not the type of person who felt I had to be married or have someone in my life to be happy, content and complete.

I have read hundreds > of divorced stories here and you don't hear from people in a long time UNTIL they post that they're now healed and happy and then ... of course, the eminent tag line "and oh, BTW ...".

Why does this bug me so? Maybe because it's taking me so long to get over being betrayed. I certainly don't begrudge anyone their happiness, but just for me, I need to see it and feel it in myself FIRST.

I have had so many opportunities to be in a realtionship, and I BOLT! Who knows, I may not have another relationship in me.

What would be nice is to see a betrayed divorced someone finally post a "I'm so damn happy I can't stand it" unsolicited post, without that predictable "and oh, BTW ..." tag line.

Lv,
Jo

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Posted By: Chris -CA123 Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 08:21 PM
womanoffaith5,

I never hear from the ex. Divorced 2.5 years and she doesn't know.
I have only seen her 4 times in the last 5 years.
I have talked with her for maybe a total of 30 minutes (at the very most) in the last 3.5 years. Not painful at all.
She has only seen our kids 3 times in 5+ years.
She calls them every ~6 months to a year.

be positive,
BTW, I did meet someone.
Just curious but when?
Posted By: Mitzi Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 08:34 PM
Jo...I lived thru my divorce and, even though it took me a while, I became content. (Before I met my new H! LOL)

I worked, I spent time with my kids, I spent time with friends and family. Alot of times, I sat home by myself. It gave me time to think about what I want in life. And that is to be happy. I got to a point where I was VERY content with just myself and my kids. I didn't want to go on dates or anything like that. That's when I met my H. I separated in Dec 99. Divorced in Nov 00. Didn't meet my H until 11/01. Married him in March 2002. At that point, I was happy enough with me that I didn't need someone to make me happy. I could enjoy being myself with my H and not worrying about whether he liked me or not. He told me that I appeared very confident and self-sufficient and those were 2 things he really admired about me.

So no...I didn't BTW meet someone!

Take care, Jo!
Mitzi <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
Posted By: be_positive Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 08:42 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">
be positive,
BTW, I did meet someone.
Just curious but when?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Chris,

It was in fall of 2002. If you're interested, there's a few more details in this thread...

http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=34;t=011461

... which I regret was most likely the last straw that caused Jo to start this thread.

Jo: I'm sorry if my first thread was annoying. When I went back and read it I could see how it almost seemed to imply that happiness was caused by meeting someone new. That was not my intent, nor is it my belief.

BP
Posted By: Resilient Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 08:45 PM
Hi Newly!

You sound somewhat like myself and Liz.

For so long now I've tried to imagine being with someone, the way I was with my ex-H. Being together all the time, co-habitating, etc. ... I just don't see it, but moreover, it frightens me.

I feel as tho they'll have expectations and demand things of me that I'm not yet, or maybe never will be, willing to meet or deliver. And then there's that whole TRUST thing.

How in the world do you trust when Harley tells us never completely and fully trust your spouse, that we're all wired for infidelity. Anyone know?

Feeling snotty again,
Jo

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Posted By: Resilient Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 09:01 PM
Wait ... I just had a bad thought.

What if I'm simply jealous of everyone else's resilience?
Posted By: FaithfulWifeCJ Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 09:15 PM
Hi Snotty Jo! It's good to see you again. You and I and E need to have a "grownup girls" party, I can see right now!

I have a success story--I ended up divorced and I am happy and content and serene and satisfied with my life (except when I light my butt on fire!--heehee). Gee, Jo, you've been here forever...you know my story. My exH was abusive, serial cheater, mentally ill--the WORKS! I did try for three years to save the marriage, but he was not willing to acutally put work into it. We separated two years ago, and just a little over one year ago the divorce was final.

One year post-divorce I do not feel entirely recovered, but I sure am on the right path. I got over my addiction to an unhealthy way of relating. I learned about abuse and got wise. I was amazed to find some self-esteem. Lo and behold, under that blamed, judged, accused, abused lady was a strong, independent, funny, smart, capable WOMAN!

As you can tell, I do still occasionally have days when I am just SICK of being single, because I'm a human and nuttier than a walnut brownie...but for the most part every day, I just feel HAPPY. There were so many things that I enjoyed that got lost along the way, and now I have found them again. I color. I swing on the playground. I play on the floor with my puppy. I laugh from my heart and mean it.

I think the hardest thing to get over was letting go of the "drama" of living in an abusive cycle. My physical body got used to being hyped up on adrenalin every three days and being "on guard"--so when months and months go by and nothing really happens, it initially felt "boring" and now feels blissful. It's steady and dependable and calm--the word that keeps popping into my mind is peace.

And btw, I can answer your trust question. At first I thought, "I am never going to trust anyone ever again. I'm never going to love, and I don't want to try." I think that was mostly a way of protecting CJ, and I went along that way for a little while. Thankfully, I met some nice men (like at work, etc.) who were non-abusive, friendly, funny men that opened my eyes to the possiblity that not all men are out to knowingly hurt me. I began to realize that I WANTED to trust people and was by nature probably on the other end of the spectrum: I trusted people too easily if I didn't use my head. Soooo...I practiced and used my head. If words and actions match = trustworthy. If words and actions do not match= not trustworthy and don't accept "excuses". I thought in myself, "What am I comfortable with?" and I decided to give people a couple of chances--and after that, I considered them to be consistently untrustworthy.

And that's where the whole "boundaries" thing comes in. What are you comfortable with? I came to realize that when I felt angry, I had a responsibility to myself to speak up about it and say it wasn't okay with me--but not wait until it turned into BIG ANGER! So, if I was true to myself and spoke up when I was angry, and the person handled it back in a fairly healthy, mature, equal way = trustworthy. If they responded in an unhealthy, immature, power over way = not trustworthy. Trustworthy people make the choice to earn trust every day, and occasionally make mistakes but then take responsibility. Untrustworthy people...well you know how that goes!

I think what Harley is trying to say about trust is "never rest on your laurels." I can trust a person as far as they have demonstrated to me they are trustworthy, but especially as it relates to relationships and marriage, they have to be worked on every day. I think a lot of us went through our marriage "asleep at the wheel" trusting our spouses because WE were behaving trustworthy. Don't rest on your laurel. Meet needs every day; avoid LB's every day; be attractive on many levels every day; and give trust where trust is earned.


CJ
Posted By: Chris -CA123 Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 09:22 PM
You and I and E need to have a "grownup girls" party
Can I watch <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> , I mean hear about it later?
Posted By: Resilient Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 09:27 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Chris -CA123 in response to CJ's response:
You and I and E need to have a "grownup girls" party
Can I watch <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> , I mean hear about it later?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">LOL .. I'm tellin.

You big chicken! You didn't respond to my response to you regarding "a 5k party".

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Posted By: justthewife Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/24/04 11:12 PM
Yanno... there is just something funny about the grownup girls party and then the little tounge out guys... my daughter calls them the licker guys.... Chris watching... boy would some of our ex's have a blast with that!

C'mon, I gotta respond somehow! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

Yes, newly is for sure one of us. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

You know as well as I do Jo that everyone does things in their own time. We are all put together differently, and our hurt and experience make up who we are - so it isn't necessacarily (sp?) a bad thing that you aren't at a certain point. Hmmm, lets just think of all the damage Jo could cause by just pretending it's all over and done and fine. You'll be back here in a bad spot before you know it.

It isn't somewhere you can put yourself either. You can work towards it, but until you get there you just ain't there baby.

Trust. That's a hard one. There are bad people, stupid people, mean ones... you get the idea. It's just the way it is.

You have good judgement. That will help.

I ask guys right out how their marriage ended or figure a way to ask about their thoughts on cheating. The ones that did are automatically out. Sorry, some may not agree with me. It's my heart, my rules. Don't care if they've reformed, found Jesus, whatever. I have dealbreakers, and I enforce them. Tough when the fella is cute and seems like a total package - but I know why I have that rule. I don't ever want to have a bad day with my mate and then say something out of anger that just upsets me.

What else.... oh, wired for infidelity. Well, I don't know. I'm not an expert. I know that people look, and people have free will. You can't make someone love you.

I think I've said that a million times in my 4 years here.

You can't make someone love you.

Worth repeating.

In the end it isn't our choice what other people do. We can ask them to behave a certain way, wish it, pray for it, send up smoke signals, dress in Vic's Secret... but in the end they do what they want.

You're gonna be fine Jo... married or not, dating or not, it will all turn out fine. Jo needs to do what she has to do, and then I promise you'll feel awesome.

E
Posted By: sing Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/25/04 12:39 AM
Liz & JO,

Can I come to the party?

Now I'm being bumbed off for UO.....

back later
Posted By: Lora Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/25/04 01:18 AM
I had to log in to respond to you Jo,

What if I said I was happy and content.. and then I met someone? Because I really was. So don't get snotty with me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Call me instead and you can vent all you like.
Posted By: justthewife Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/25/04 01:50 AM
SING! My angel!

Oh yeah! It's really a parrrtay now! WOO HOO!

Lora! How nice to see you too!

See Jo, how can you be snotty when you have such a nice group of friends??!!

If you have friends like us, you don't need enemies OOPS, I mean anything! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />
Posted By: Nellie1 Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/25/04 02:18 AM
I noticed that several of the few people who said they were happy and had not met someone had had marriages that were abusive. They often mentioned feeling something that sounds to me like relief. But what about those whose marriages were not abusive, but "normal," where the WS was a decent man and loving father until falling into severe depression?
Posted By: Wished I WereHome Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/25/04 02:55 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> They often mentioned feeling something that sounds to me like relief. But what about those whose marriages were not abusive, but "normal," where the WS was a decent man and loving father until falling into severe depression? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I could see where this would be something a lot harder to recover from. Without the sense of relief it would be harder to let go and move on to having the happy ending that everyone hopes for.

My WS is a decent woman and loving mother and I was not in what I would consider an abusive relationship. However, I still see signs of relief in my future knowing that there may be a better future for me.

Don't have that happy ending yet but I will!

WIWH
Posted By: sky diver Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/25/04 04:35 AM
Ahhh, everyone's journey's has touched my heart and put on a big smile on my face.

I received my papers a month ago. But there is 31 grace period and today I looked at the calender I am free, free, free. I am doin a happy dance.

After a two year long drawn needless legal battle I am free. I love the progress and great news for some of you who are opening their hearts again.

I have a long ways to go-- odd for me to asked out on dates, I politely turn them away, just don't think that way. But am far from ready especially for my children sake and not quite the woman I want to be just yet.

Newly your doing simply marvelous. Hope you'll remember me as mayflower, you helped me through a difficult time last year, haven't been back to MB since several weeks ago. A year has gone by but it has been a very ugly year.

I am very, very, very happy for my divorce and my life that will be done. What really excites me, is I did it by the grace of God, faithfully honored my wedding vows to the end today.

I feal like I crossed yet another great threshold into the unknown, the some wonderful finish line in my soul, racing through the ribbons of a different race.

I'm free to run on, and be happy.There is a very special joy that I have not felt since the day I made those vows. It is finished, what an awful 23 yrs of hell. But what a victory there is now. I am so encouraged and blessed.

Hope I will be blessed in never having to see or hear from my XH again ever. Wha hoooo,

Doing a bit mourning yet for my children. Two years of grieving good enough---want to be happy. Bruised, battered, but am healing.
Posted By: justthewife Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/25/04 04:39 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I noticed that several of the few people who said they were happy and had not met someone had had marriages that were abusive. They often mentioned feeling something that sounds to me like relief. But what about those whose marriages were not abusive, but "normal," where the WS was a decent man and loving father until falling into severe depression? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'll bite. Every situation is different. I mean really... who else here can say their husband fell 4 stories! Each situation comes with it's unique little twist.

But there you go... that situation could be compared to mine. I had brain injury, you depression. Both very real medical issues. Things we couldn't control. Things we can't fix and man would we give anything to do so. But, we can't. We can't fix other people. We can't make them love us, and we sure as heck shouldn't beat our heads into a brick wall because we want things the way we want them.

It's all time. The old stupid oft used cliche... Time heals all wounds. Ok, sometimes it doesn't, but run with me here a sec.

Realize that there are things beyond your control, give them up, and do what you need to do to make a life for yourself. If you follow that formula somewhere somehow it has got to work.
Posted By: MEDIC238 Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/25/04 06:03 AM
Hi Jo and HEY to all the old timers!!!

Wow 5006 posts, that's too cool. I still lurk but don't have much advice to give.

Hey, I was one that found happiness before the D. I was chatting with an old time buddy and asked if she was "happily married" She responded that happiness comes from within not by whom you are with. I am not sure that she knows to this day how much that statement meant to me or how it changed my outlook.

I picked myself up by the sneaker straps [I don't wear boots] and dusted the old Zippy off. Three months before my D was final I rewarded the new me with a "divorce present" yeppers a brand new arrest me red Trans Am. Later got the vanity plate "XWS LOSS" just for poops and giggles.

Oh and then I met up with G. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Does this count?
Posted By: justthewife Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/25/04 11:40 AM
Hey! It's Zippy the Pinhead....

You ALWAYS count!

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />

And how is Jo this bright and sunny morning?
Posted By: ThornedRose Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/25/04 02:48 PM
Jo,

Do you really think it's jealousy? From what you've said you have dated different men--but then broke it off--when it got to a certain point of seriousness--

That doesn't sound like jealousy that other's have been able to move forward--but more concern that you are still cautious in that area--

And you know--I really think that's normal for a healthy person--think back to what you've been through and how much you've grown and changed over the past few years--there is nothing wrong with wanting to "wait" or 'put off' being in another relationship when you've been deeply hurt from the one--

The fact remains as this--you have dated other men since you've been divorced--you have learned something about each of these men which has helped you to learn

1. that not all men are like your ex--

2. To build your personal boundaries

3. to put those boundaries into practice within a relationship--

And you know what--Boundaries--are something we should have learned as children--so that we can protect ourselves from danger--

And I think something your still learning--I had to learn this--is that boundaries aren't Concrete wall's--thay are more like a yard with a fence around it--and the fence has a gate that can be opened and closed--so that we can protect ourselves--we can let in who we want in there--and we can ask to leave who we want to ask to leave--nothing say's we can't invite someone in and then later decide to ask them to leave--

Think about your home--you can invite the repairman over to fix your sink--but that doesn't mean you want him to move in with you--you trust that he will come fix what he needs to--and then go on his way--that is a small boundary--(but for some it's a huge one--if they have ever been taken advantage of by a repairman)

But with your heart--that is something totally different--your heart (or in Biblical terms, your soul) has been deeply hurt--and to just trust it to someone else to love and care for--is something HUGE to ask--

the only one you can truly trust to take care of your heart is you and God--and even trusting God sometimes is a major step--I mean--we can't SEE Him--so How can we really know for sure that HE will protect and care for us?? We don't just step out there and trust Him--for many of us--it's taken a long time to learn to trust Him in small things--the first step in trusting Him is accepting that He is--that He does actually exist
and then we begin to trust Him with little things

I think the biggest area of learning to trust God is in providing for us--which is why so many people don't tithe 10% of their income--we worked for it--and if I give 10% I'm not sure I'll have enough to live on--even though He tell's us to Prove HIM in that area--we still don't--we afraid
to--and for some of us that have experienced that
provision--we still get scared sometimes when life get's overwhelming--and we pull back--

Just as you have done in these relationships--you get to a point where you trust them even a little--and then you get overwhelmed and pull back--so it's normal--

each time you step out in faith just a little more--and you back away--you can look at the reasons your pulling away--and can recognize I need to work on that area of trust--so you take it slowly to be sure you have your boundaries in the right place--to ensure this person isn't going to run over them--but will respect them--

It's a slow process and we learn where to place them with close family members first--and then friendships--and then in dating--think about children--we as parents are to teach them their own personal boundaries--then they start meeting friends outside the home-and learn to set them their--that's actually the reason my kids can't date until they are 16--at a younger age they are still learning how to say NO to peer pressure--
they don't need everyone to like them--they don't need to LIKE everyone--and they don't need to do something just because everyone else seem's to be doing it--or say's they are doing it--so they can be accepted--

So looking back at your life--did you learn those boundaries as a child? are you, like many of us--just learning them as an adult? Or are you basically going through your emotionally charged teen years with more wisdom and understanding learning where your boundaries belong again??

Anyway you look at it--your at the right place for you--in order for you to grow emotionally stronger--

I was just thinking about my youngest daughter she's 12--and is jealous that all her friends are dating--and she isn't--(because MOM won't let her) as I know she's not emotionally ready--

something you can look at here--is God (your dad) telling you it's okay to move forward? and your not ready out of fear? Or is He telling you it's not time to move on yet, because your not emotionally ready? either way--both places are okay--for now, until you have the courage to step out in faith--just know--if at some point you find yourself being pulled in two directions of not wanting to step out in faith--and wanting to--if you always pull away--you may miss out on one of God's blessings for your life--but it is ok to be cautious and make sure it's what is right for you--

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Posted By: Ragamuffin Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/25/04 04:35 PM
Jo,

I've been thinking of you after you posted this yesterday. I thought, hum, what thoughts do I have to offer you? Then I came across this and thought of you AND many of us here:

STRONG WOMAN VERSUS A WOMAN OF STRENGTH
 
A strong woman works out every day to keep her body in shape ...
a woman of strength builds relationships to keep her soul in shape.
 
A strong woman isn't afraid of anything ....
a woman of strength shows courage in the midst of her fear.
 
A strong woman won't let anyone get the best of her ... 
a woman of strength gives the best of herself to everyone.
 
A strong woman makes mistakes and avoids the same in the future ...
a woman of strength realizes life's mistakes can also be unexpected blessings  and capitalizes on them.
 
A strong woman wears a look of confidence on her face ...
a woman of strength wears grace.
 
A strong woman has faith that she is strong enough for the journey
a woman of strength has faith that it is in the journey that she will become strong.

Anonymous

You are a special lady indeed!
Posted By: az allison Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/25/04 08:47 PM
Well it's a darn good thing that this site logs in my password automatically, because never in one hundred years would I have remembered it!

Hey guys...how are you all!

Jo and Lora ... warms my heart to see you girls.

I've been down a long and rough road due to exactly what this post is about. All I can say at this point is that I should have listened to you guys and all of the others who were telling me to wait! I didn't because it felt so darn good at the time to not hurt anymore. WRONG-O Allison.

I hate admitting just how wrong I was and have not posted here in months and months due to my humiliation...but I couldn't pass up the opportunity to say hello to my friends.

Nice to see so many old friends on this thread.

allison
Posted By: Resilient Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/26/04 08:44 PM
OMG .. Allison!

I'm going to respond to you at length, but I have to run a few errands, but I will be back.


I also have others to respond to as well.

Jo
Posted By: cjack Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/27/04 01:13 AM
Well, if we're all coming out of the woodwork...

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />


In answer to the question:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Will someone please please please respond with a success story where they ended up divorced yet they are very happy and content, BUT didn't get that way via: "and oh by the way, I met someone".</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Heck, I've met lots of people! Nothing has worked out, though.

I'm still pretty happy despite that fact. I figured out that I'm glad I'm not married to the XW anymore. I'm okay with the fact that she's engaged again (poor guy!), and I've long since learned to live by myself...no relationships needed!

Oh, sure, I'd like to have another go at it someday, but I'm not holding my breath.

<small>[ June 26, 2004, 08:20 PM: Message edited by: cjack ]</small>
Posted By: GnomeDePlume Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/27/04 06:16 AM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Resilient:
<strong>Will someone please please please respond with a success story where they ended up divorced yet they are very happy and content, BUT didn't get that way via: "and oh by the way, I met someone".</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'm not sure I quite qualify, because (a) I did meet someone, and (b) I am frustrated by her lack of interest in taking our friendship in a romantic direction.

However, I am thoroughly delighted with the way my life has been going. I don't know where it's going, but God has been so active in my life, that I am very excited to see what He's going to do next. My frustration with my relationship situation is just one piece of the pattern, and I can see and appreciate how everything about that aspect of my life has been another part of my growth and healing process.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><strong>How in the world do you trust when Harley tells us never completely and fully trust your spouse, that we're all wired for infidelity. Anyone know?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">When I started to get interested in someone new - the first woman I had ever truly been interested in besides my (ex-)wife - I had to ask myself that same question: could I ever fully trust again. To my surprise, I discovered that they answer was "yes"! God had gotten me through betrayal once already; so as painful as it had been, I knew that with God's help I could survive it if I had to go through it again. And the alternative of never trusting again seemed even more dreadful to me than the prospect of another betrayal.
Posted By: ThornedRose Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/27/04 12:06 PM
GnomeDePlume,

Please try not to get frustrated at her lack of interest--that could be a blessing in disquise for you--

Take the time to ask trusted friends and pastor what they see in her--as a potential mate for you--what do they see in her as far as her growth in Christ--as to where you are in your walk--

Look at her spiritual walk away from your's--does she study the word on her own? Is she actively growing in her own relationship with Christ? How is her prayer life away from you? with you? do you pray together? if not, have you tried to pray with her, if so what was her response? Do you study the bible together? or talk about what your learning from your own studies? does she share what she's learning with you?

I know for some that might sound strange--but if your overlooking these areas--and going totally on well--she goes to church with me--or she reads the bible with me occassionally--and God can change those areas--you'll struggle--because if your relationship with Christ is an area you don't want to compromise--(and I believe that it is) then she needs to be strong in her own walk and her own relationship with Christ---you really should make sure she's following Christ for herself--and not for you--

And right now, as she's not wanting to move things forward it gives you the opportunity to look at things from all angles--to make sure it's really God's BEST for you!!

I realize none of this may apply to you in the relationship at this point--but if your wanting to move things forward--they are worth looking at--
or they may be thing's she's looking at and wanting to see if your walk is for real--or if she think's it's all an act just for her--and something that will change once she takes that step forward--
Posted By: WhoamInow Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/28/04 05:53 AM
I am 2.5 years post divorce from a serial cheater who left me for my best friend when I was pregnant with our third child.

I have peace and contentment, and feel like nothing is missing from my life. And I'm not dating anyone. I have dated, and even had a year long serious relationship that I broke off because he was ready to get married and I wasn't, but that was over a year ago. People ask me all the time if I've met anyone, and I think it is a bit amusing that they think that is what would make mine a success story. I think I am a success story not because of me, but because of what God has done in my life. I know He is in charge, and that if I keep trying to do His will, all will be well with my soul!

I have so many positive things in my life that it would be foolish of me to focus on what I don't have, even though our society seems wired to run on coupleness and love. The fact that I have three young children to channel my energy into may make a difference for me, though.

If God has a Godly man for me, I'm hoping He will give me the trust and discernment to recognize him. And if he doesn't, I can fly with that too!

Krista, a single success <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
Posted By: GnomeDePlume Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/28/04 12:21 PM
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ThornedRose:
<strong> GnomeDePlume,

Please try not to get frustrated at her lack of interest--that could be a blessing in disquise for you--</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">No disguise is necessary. Our relationship has been a blessing to both of us, and since neither of us were ready for romance when my interest first developed, her lack of interest has ensured that our friendship has grown at a healthy pace and in a healthy manner.

I am a patient man, and I think that if I knew my feelings would be reciprocated some day, I would be ecstatic with how our relationship is progressing. But since I don't know that, I struggle with my feelings, fearing that my fixation on her is preventing me from seeing other possibilities clearly.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><strong>Take the time to ask trusted friends and pastor what they see in her--as a potential mate for you--what do they see in her as far as her growth in Christ--as to where you are in your walk--</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">This is a bit tricky. Out of respect for her feelings, I have avoided talking about "us" with our mutual friends. However, most of those friends know that I am interested in someone, and a fair number of them - perhaps all by now, for all I know - have figured out who that someone is. Not one has offered me an opinion about our suitability for each other, and not one has attempted to discourage my interest. This includes the pastor with whom I have discussed the situation from the beginning (since I wanted someone to hold me accountable for my behavior toward this woman).

The typical reaction from mutual friends goes along the lines of: "Well, of course! She's an amazing woman. How could you not be interested?"

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><strong>Look at her spiritual walk away from your's--does she study the word on her own? Is she actively growing in her own relationship with Christ? How is her prayer life away from you? with you? do you pray together? if not, have you tried to pray with her, if so what was her response? Do you study the bible together? or talk about what your learning from your own studies? does she share what she's learning with you?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Her spiritual walk is progressing beautifully - as is my own. She studies the Bible and thinks and has an active prayer life. In fact, just about any time someone talks to her about a concern, her reaction is "Let's pray about it." We belong to the same Bible study group, we share what we are learning frequently, and we give each other verses of encouragement.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><strong>I know for some that might sound strange--but if your overlooking these areas--and going totally on well--she goes to church with me--or she reads the bible with me occassionally--and God can change those areas--you'll struggle--because if your relationship with Christ is an area you don't want to compromise--(and I believe that it is) then she needs to be strong in her own walk and her own relationship with Christ---you really should make sure she's following Christ for herself--and not for you--</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Heh. The bigger question, given the fact that I'm the one interested while she's not, is whether I'm the one following Christ for her. But both of us are putting Christ first, and we both know it.

I completely agree that this is not an area in which compromise is acceptable.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><strong>And right now, as she's not wanting to move things forward it gives you the opportunity to look at things from all angles--to make sure it's really God's BEST for you!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Indeed! And believe me, I've agonized over this question, along with the question of whether it's really God's best for her. Unfortunately, everything I consider suggests that it could be, which doesn't help me let my hopes die.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><strong>I realize none of this may apply to you in the relationship at this point--but if your wanting to move things forward--they are worth looking at--</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Heh. I don't want to move things forward. If our relationship is going to progress in that direction, then I want God to move it forward. As I see it, my job is just to be myself, live my life according to what God shows me to do, and love this woman in whatever ways respect her boundaries.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><strong>or they may be thing's she's looking at and wanting to see if your walk is for real--or if she think's it's all an act just for her--and something that will change once she takes that step forward--</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Actually, I think she just doesn't see me as the kind of man she would want to marry. Maybe it's the age gap, or maybe it's something else. But since she isn't interested in pursuing marriage prospects at this time in her life, I'm not sure that she has given sufficient thought to what kind of man she would want.

But as for me, I'm pretty sure she knows I'm for real. She has ample opportunity to see what I'm doing with my life in areas that have nothing to do with her.
Posted By: daybreak Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 06/30/04 03:57 AM
Ok, need to add my 2 cents worth here!!!! Been gone to camp for a week so just seen it today!

I'm divorced and I'm happy!!! Not neccessarily happy that I'm divorced!!!! Did that make sense??? I didn't want the divorce and wish for what could of and should of been my life at this time!!! I do not let this control me or my life, I admit it and move on.

Actually I am very much liking my life right now!! It's nice to come and go with my daughter when I want, do the things that I want when I want and not worry about how some one else might be effected by my wants.

I haven't meet anyone, not for lack of trying sometimes, but that is something that is just not meant to be in my life right now and that's ok, Somebody will come around someday and I can wait, cause he's going to be Somebody good!!!


So those are my thoughts on this matter!!

Dawn <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
Posted By: Lady M Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 07/04/04 05:10 AM
Slight Threadjack Ahead:

HI ZIPPY AND MITZI!!!
I am still in Va. Beach, enjoying being single. I was recalled to Active Duty (Naval Reserve), and spent some time in London. Great City!!!

Back to Subject - I have been divorced for five years, am very happy being on my own, and have not yet dated anyone. I guess I'm too picky and/or have trust issues. But, no matter - life is good just the same! I've not really met anyone here that I'm interested in dating (yet). I have been too busy with another person I met (ME) that I had not seen in a while. Like many others, I thought it best to deal with my own baggage and grieve the end of my other life, in order to be healthy and happy, whether or not I met someone. I did, however, met a man at a friend's Wedding whose kindness, wit and sensitivity touched my heart. It was a welcome reminder that I'm not quite dead yet, and that a really kind, wonderful man can still touch my heart. Unfortunately, he lives on the West Coast, and is about 12 years younger than me. Just enjoying his company for a short period of time raised my spirits and reminded me that it is possible to have those feelings again.

Anyway, I am open to meeting someone special, but it just hasn't happened. Perhaps I need to be more proactive!!! But, whatever happens, I know that I will be just fine. If I end up single, I know I will still be happy. If I meet someone and re-marry, I know that I have taken the time to work on myself and hopefully will not make the same mistakes in my first marriage, that I will be aware of indications of trouble, and take action before it's too late.

I have not posted here in a long time and have just mostly been lurking the last few years. I will post a more complete update later.

There is life after divorce! And it can be wonderful, if you let it!!!

Love and Blessings,
Marsha
Posted By: Mitzi Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 07/03/04 07:21 PM
MARSHA, MARSHA, MARSHA!!!!!!

Wow, it's been a long time!!! I'm glad things are going so well with you! Life is really good here. The kids are growing and healthy, and my hubby has been great for me!!

Great hearing from you!!

Mitzi:)
Posted By: Lady M Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 07/04/04 01:45 PM
Hi Mitzi!!!

Glad to know everything is great with you. The boys must be so tall by now - how are they doing in school? I'll bet they're glad summer vacation is here!

Please stay in touch and let me know if you plan any trips to Va. Beach, so we can get together.

Take care and God Bless,
Marsha

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Posted By: Mitzi Re: Okay ..... A Request! - 07/04/04 02:22 PM
Marsha,

Glad you left an email addy...I'll show you how much the boys have grown! You won't believe it! LOL

Look for mail!

Mitzi <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
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