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Posted By: atena Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 12:04 PM
Hi all,
Not sure if you had a chance to read and or see the movie Eat, Pray, Love
However...why do you think she did not want to be married any more?
The book and move do not put it that way and show her meeting the young hansome actor after she already separated from her H, however, I suspect Gilbert (the author) does not tell us the truth...which is..she left her H for OM!
I find that movie very offensive and a true encouragement to leave your M and pursue your dream.
And you know what..she ends up with a man much older (15 years older) and who knows what the real story behind that man is (did he leave his wife for her???)
So many of those movies now days do not make a big deal about M ending and A...I find this disgusting.
It would be interesting to learn your opinion.
Blessing
Posted By: V_planifolia Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 12:14 PM
Agreed. I had zero desire to read the book or see the movie once I found out the whole thing centered on her leaving her M - especially to "pursue her happiness," or whatever drivel they called it.

Don't know about the A, but it's certainly more than plausible.
Posted By: Helianthus Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 12:17 PM
According to the book, if I remember right I believe she met the first man after being divorced, and the second one was widowed before he met her. Maybe she lied when writing the book, who knows? But according to what she wrote, it seems like she wanted a divorce because she was in a major depression. It also seems like she and her H failed to build a compatible lifestyle and had a history of fighting and not meeting each other's needs.

The book is not exactly a shining example of how to have a good marriage, but then, can anyone actually think of an entertaining book that is?
Posted By: atena Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 12:18 PM
Yes, and the whole deal is glamorized by being played by Julia R. and by coming to Italy and eating like a pig and being immerse in the Italian culture. Fortunately in each country she visits, the people frown upon her being divorced...and of course those people are seen as backwards.
In this day and age between literature, movies, FB and other social networking we are totally encouraged to find out hapiness at the expense of others. And if that means leaving the M...well, so be it, if that is all it takes to be happy.
blessing
Posted By: atena Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 12:22 PM
I read the book and saw the movie: she was in the process of getting divorced while she was seeing/living with OM. Her H would not give her a divorce right away. Yes she was depressed, but aren't so many other WS so?
If her M did not meet her EN, I think it would have been very interesting to make book on how she had an A, realized OM was not good for her and then...R the M. I would find that very interesting and inspiring.
Also, the man she ends up with in Bali...the book says that he is divorced or separated and that his wife lives in australia with their kids...
blessing
Posted By: raindown Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 01:26 PM
"...find out hapiness at the expense of others. And if that means leaving the M...well, so be it, if that is all it takes to be happy."

Funny (disgusting) I totally bought that line of thinking until a couple of years ago. {{{{{{shiver}}}}}}

Posted By: cobol_girl Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 01:43 PM
I think that if my FWH didn't want to be M to me any longer because he thought that I was uncapable of meeting his needs I would respect him more if he would come out and tell me rather than going out and finding some OW, sleeping with her and exposing me to her nastiness. He has the freedom of choice. I think the meeting of emotional needs is very hard when you are dealing with a p/a spouse like mine. He would rather enter the gas chamber than talk about his feelings. Even two years after D-Day he still maintains that the XOW didn't meet any of his unmet needs and he says that I have never failed in meeting his needs. It's very frustating to know that you are doing everything to be a wonderful W and have a DH who still cheats.
Posted By: FishOnTheLine Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 01:47 PM
My WW on 'date night' directed us to this show. She had already read the book. I sat there in the theatre, trying to hold it together through the whole movie. She sensed what I was going through, and in one of the few times she has ever shown compassion for her actions, she said something like, "Sorry, this wasn't a good movie choice."

No kidding.
Posted By: atena Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 01:58 PM
the point is that the women in the story ends up in the sack with OM right away after she breaks the M. This makes you think the A is what made her want to break the M...
Yes, it is honest to leave the M if ENs are not met, but in no way did the author indicate that they tried to work issues out before she decided to D. SHe just did not give the M a chance.
blessing
Posted By: writer1 Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 02:44 PM
Ugh. That's all I have to say about this movie. This is a hugely negative trigger for me, because the OM recommended this book to me when we were in the A as a shining example of how one had to be true to oneself and follow his/her passions regardless of the feelings of others. I, of course, read it and loved it at the time.

Now, the whole thing makes me kind of sick. I don't think I've ever read a more self-absorbed, egotistical book in my life. I'm not touching this movie with a 10-foot pole.

Just my 2 cents.
Posted By: atena Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 02:49 PM
I read the book and saw the movie. I am interested in knowing what is out there so when people prize the movie or book I know what I am talking about....but yes, it is just what the main stream media portrays...be happy at all cost...as if an A or leaving your M can be the ultimate solution to this....I want to see how long Gilbert lasts with this new older man...she is wayward to the core
blessing
Posted By: Pepperband Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 04:53 PM
Originally Posted by writer1
Ugh. That's all I have to say about this movie. This is a hugely negative trigger for me, because the OM recommended this book to me when we were in the A as a shining example of how one had to be true to oneself and follow his/her passions regardless of the feelings of others. I, of course, read it and loved it at the time.

Now, the whole thing makes me kind of sick. I don't think I've ever read a more self-absorbed, egotistical book in my life. I'm not touching this movie with a 10-foot pole.

Just my 2 cents.

When Mr Pep was in his EA/PA, he bought me a copy of Bridges of Madison County (the book) for our anniversary.
The OW recommended he buy it for me.
Needless to say .... the book got torn to shreds after D day.

Posted By: silentlucidity Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 05:00 PM
Originally Posted by Pep
When Mr Pep was in his EA/PA, he bought me a copy of Bridges of Madison County (the book) for our anniversary.
The OW recommended he buy it for me.
faint


If anyone wants a good laugh, shift gears and read $h*t My Dad Says by Justin Halpern. It's a short book, and I laughed so hard I cried. Made me jealous of having a dad.
Posted By: writer1 Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 05:06 PM
Originally Posted by Pepperband
Originally Posted by writer1
Ugh. That's all I have to say about this movie. This is a hugely negative trigger for me, because the OM recommended this book to me when we were in the A as a shining example of how one had to be true to oneself and follow his/her passions regardless of the feelings of others. I, of course, read it and loved it at the time.

Now, the whole thing makes me kind of sick. I don't think I've ever read a more self-absorbed, egotistical book in my life. I'm not touching this movie with a 10-foot pole.

Just my 2 cents.

When Mr Pep was in his EA/PA, he bought me a copy of Bridges of Madison County (the book) for our anniversary.
The OW recommended he buy it for me.
Needless to say .... the book got torn to shreds after D day.


Ugh Pep. I hate to admit that (long before my A) I used to think that movie was romantic. That was before I took a look at what it was actually about. I don't watch it anymore. That's one of the most sickeningly wayward movies ever made.

Eat, Pray, Love bit the dust around here a long time ago too.
Posted By: wulffpack_girl Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 05:07 PM
Originally Posted by writer1
..this book ... as a shining example of how one had to be true to oneself and follow his/her passions regardless of the feelings of others.


I have neither read the book or seen the movie - after learning what it is about, I have no interest in it. But reading through the responses it hit me how often we get the advice to "follow our hearts" - it sounds good until you realize that following your heart can take us into all sorts of trouble and trample on anybody who stands in our way. And way too many of us learn that the hard way.

It is much better to "lead our hearts" (thank you, Emerson Eggerich!) than to follow them.
Posted By: CWMI Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 06:14 PM
The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Jeremiah 17:9.

I'm reading this book now, out of a vulgar curiosity since I actually know a gal who read it and subsequently blew up her entire life, two kids included. She's been island hopping and doing all the things she's always wanted to do, although she can scarcely afford it. Stripping, taking on a lesbian lover...ka-POW, I had to see what the heck was in this book that so 'changed her life'.

I can see how it can be quite destructive in the hands of one who is pre-disposed to self-indulgence like the author. It's full if ick.
Posted By: atena Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 06:45 PM
This is destructive stuff in the hands of an entitled person. But you know what? lots of people are.
Very few would give up their illusion for happiness.
blessing
Posted By: hope3343 Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 07:00 PM
Gluttony, Prey, Lust = Wayward bible.

My DD17 wanted to see that movie and I did not know too much about it. She then buys the book to read it before she sees it. I kept asking her if she had finished it and she said no...

a week later....no

another week later...no

She brings it to me and said read it if you want and stops talking about going to see the film.

I then read about the "plot" the next night on a movie review page.

Well the book is "somewhere", DD must have started it and saw where it was going and BOOM went into "Plan B" of the book.

Most films have so much stuff about A it makes it hard sitting through a show. I was the only one crybaby during "Couples Retreat" because of the cheating spouses.

I also thought "Bridges of Madison County" romantic and unrequited love. Even thought it was sad that "forced" herself to stay with her husband out of "honor". Excuse me while I go and puke

There is one film I do recommend "The Women". Yes it is about A but it is one for the BS to see. I was cheering.
Posted By: princessmeggy Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 07:04 PM
My fav movie re A - "She Devil". Hysterical! A BW had to of written it.
Posted By: Vibrissa Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 07:15 PM
This discussion has made me think of a scripture:

Originally Posted by Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

So much of our culture is focused on 'finding' ourselves. We believe we must find some external locus of happiness to create an internal self worth. We have to embark on some external, mystical journey of self discovery and devote ourself to the altar of self-worship to find our meaning. Along the way, if those we love and love us are sacrificed it is ok - if they truly loved us they would understand how much we need this.

It is selfish, egotistical, self-centered, entitle tripe that only leads to the destruction of families, and pain to those they claim to love. In the search for self these people sacrifice their integrity, their morality and their decency. Love is no longer measured by what they give and how they are moved to serve, but rather in what they take and what they demand from the world around them.

Any happiness that results only emerges when they - like Narcissus - gaze into their reflection mirrored in the world around them and see themselves. The cries of Echo - their spouses and children, those who actually DO love them remain unheard.

In attempting to 'save' their life and 'find' themselves they have lost any semblance of a decent human being who may have existed within their body.

A Mommy board I frequent often repeats this same idea. Telling mother's they need to 'take care of themselves' and 'create their own happiness' often at the expense of their own children.

These mothers will lose the precious lives and relationships they have been given with their children to 'find' their happiness.

The self - the true self - is MADE is PURIFIED is FOUND in the living of the life we have been given. It is found in each day we wake and serve our children and our spouse. It is found as we work and struggle through life's trials. It is found as we pass through the refiner's fire and emerge, our integrity intact - the rough edges smoothed away to leave the shining whole that was always there.

Strength and happiness are not found in running away - but in enduring and finding joy in the small treasures we are given daily: the sun on my face, my daughter's laugh, my husband's warm embrace.

In MB parlance - we find joy as we Give to those around us as long as we ensure that our Taker is provided a voice, tempered by an honest desire to love and care for those we are blessed to have in our lives.

Posted By: reading Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 07:24 PM
Am I remembering correctly that Julia Roberts got involved with her current H while he was married to another woman? That Julia was an OW first before wife?
Posted By: atena Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 07:26 PM
Great post Vibrissa.
Gilbert is now a famous writer, she is pretty, still fairly young and has a new lover...her next book called "Committed" (which tell it all...she was never committed to anything before...) is, I think, about deciding to marry this older guy she found in Bali.
I bet you anything that her M to this guy will not last.
However she is successful and a role model to many people...a WS success story
blessing
Posted By: atena Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 07:28 PM
Yes, I think to a Lovett singer...if I am not mistaken. She is actually a men eater just like Penelope Cruz..these kind of women just love to break up a family...or better, only think of themselves...very wayward
blessing
Posted By: Vibrissa Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 07:28 PM
From Wikipedia post on Julia Roberts:

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"Roberts met her current husband, cameraman Daniel Moder, on the set of her movie The Mexican in 2001. At the time, Moder was married to Vera Steimberg Moder. He filed for divorce a little over a year later, and after it was finalized, he and Roberts wed on July 4, 2002, at her ranch in Taos, New Mexico.[21] Together, they have three children, twins Hazel Patricia Moder and Phinnaeus "Finn" Walter Moder (born November 28, 2004) and Henry Daniel Moder (born June 18, 2007)"

yup.... an OW
Posted By: atena Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 07:31 PM
Married 8 years...and 3 kids...maybe they were soul-mates?!
Posted By: princessmeggy Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 07:41 PM
Here's a little more info on the Roberts/Mordor mess. Apparently, there's trouble in paradise (we're not surprised now are we?)

Any inkling of respect I had for Julia Roberts is gone now after learning not only did she break up this marriage, but she taunted his BW publicly. Read about it in the link below.

Here's the Link
Posted By: atena Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 07:46 PM
I read the article, yes, Julia is on my black list..!
Unfortunately they are only speculating about her M ending....there is no proof.
blessing
Posted By: hope3343 Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 08:01 PM
Originally Posted by atena
I read the article, yes, Julia is on my black list..!
Unfortunately they are only speculating about her M ending....there is no proof.blessing

But we can only hope...here's to Karma Vera!
Posted By: raindown Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 08:07 PM
Wish I knew how to work those little yellow guys....surely there is a standing-O. Wish I had it for Vibrissa's post!
Posted By: swan's song Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/09/10 09:25 PM
If you want to watch a movie that shows the true devastation of a marriage breakdown Shoot the Moon is a truthful portrayal of an entire family falling apart, I was 16 or 17 at the time and had a knot in my stomach watching this
Posted By: karmasrose Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/10/10 04:57 AM
There was always some reason I didn't pick the book up. Something that bothered me about it, but I didn't know what.

And now I know.
Posted By: little_t Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/10/10 02:16 PM
Originally Posted by Vibrissa
This discussion has made me think of a scripture:

Originally Posted by Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

So much of our culture is focused on 'finding' ourselves. We believe we must find some external locus of happiness to create an internal self worth. We have to embark on some external, mystical journey of self discovery and devote ourself to the altar of self-worship to find our meaning. Along the way, if those we love and love us are sacrificed it is ok - if they truly loved us they would understand how much we need this.

It is selfish, egotistical, self-centered, entitle tripe that only leads to the destruction of families, and pain to those they claim to love. In the search for self these people sacrifice their integrity, their morality and their decency. Love is no longer measured by what they give and how they are moved to serve, but rather in what they take and what they demand from the world around them.

Any happiness that results only emerges when they - like Narcissus - gaze into their reflection mirrored in the world around them and see themselves. The cries of Echo - their spouses and children, those who actually DO love them remain unheard.

In attempting to 'save' their life and 'find' themselves they have lost any semblance of a decent human being who may have existed within their body.

A Mommy board I frequent often repeats this same idea. Telling mother's they need to 'take care of themselves' and 'create their own happiness' often at the expense of their own children.

These mothers will lose the precious lives and relationships they have been given with their children to 'find' their happiness.

The self - the true self - is MADE is PURIFIED is FOUND in the living of the life we have been given. It is found in each day we wake and serve our children and our spouse. It is found as we work and struggle through life's trials. It is found as we pass through the refiner's fire and emerge, our integrity intact - the rough edges smoothed away to leave the shining whole that was always there.

Strength and happiness are not found in running away - but in enduring and finding joy in the small treasures we are given daily: the sun on my face, my daughter's laugh, my husband's warm embrace.

In MB parlance - we find joy as we Give to those around us as long as we ensure that our Taker is provided a voice, tempered by an honest desire to love and care for those we are blessed to have in our lives.

Thank you for this Vibrissa. I'm a newbie pastor and have been reflecting on the scripture I'll be preaching on this Sunday... about the lost sheep and lost coin (Luke 15.1-10). I had already been thinking about the definition of "sinner" and "lost" as "those who repent," or in other words, "those who let their minds be changed." In that sense, the willingnes to be lost is so important to us all. It's not our job to find ourselves but to be willing to be lost and to turn receptively towards and wait on the great finder (who has already found us)...

And join in the great celebration!

But your post also put something like this in the MB context... so helpful for me to be able to see that connection...

Now to try to express this...
Posted By: Mrs_Recon6mo Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/10/10 03:09 PM
I just bought the book yesterday sigh the book has been in my 'want-to-read' list for a while.

It's fairly new on our market, but there's already a second reprint.

I feel stupid of buying it, to be honest doh2

Speaking of films - have you seen Woody Allen's "Husbands and Wives"? It is a very good sample material of how things should NOT be. If someone wanted to illustrate what is miscommunication, lying, interpreting, assuming, dishonesty, etc, s/he could easily take the material from this film.
Posted By: Tinkerbell81 Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/11/10 05:38 PM
Originally Posted by reading
Am I remembering correctly that Julia Roberts got involved with her current H while he was married to another woman? That Julia was an OW first before wife?

absolutely correct. very disappointing. so of course she would love to star in a movie glamorizing divorce and finally doing what you wanna do. how sick.
Posted By: Hitch2007 Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/11/10 06:48 PM
I was a FWW, and I read this book whilst I was still in the fog. For me the book helped justify what I was doing and put thoughts into my head that I needed to go away to find myself. Like an earlier post said in this thread that it is the small things in life that count, like a meal out with your old girlfriends or pottering in your garden with your mother! Unfortunately I had to learn this lesson the hard way, but at least I appreciate them now.

However, I do think that everyone has a right to pursue their dreams in life, and I don't think this is self indulgent. It would be more self indulgent for others not to let those that they love free. Elizabeth Gilbert did not have an affair, she chose to end the marriage first. I believe Elizabeth Gilbert had tried to work at the marriage, and this is shown through her second book commited when she analyses marriage to great depth as the failure of her first marriage was very traumatic for her. I am pro marriage but I don't believe in a lifetime of misery either.

I also don't think it is very marriage builders to wish that those remarry a unhappy marriage and one that ends in divorce.
Posted By: stillhere8126 Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/11/10 09:50 PM
No its not MB wish for people to remain in an unhappy marriage...its marriage builders wish to show that, with some work, everyone can be in a happy marriage. Except for those in abusive or substance abusive relationships, of course.
Posted By: nath076 Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 04:29 AM
I blame this book in a large way for the troubles I have been encountering in the attempted recovery of my marriage. My ww began reading this just after admitting her affair. She has become so into this book describing it as enlightening she thinks it is life changing stuff. She cannot see the selfishness in it. Ever since reading this book she has set about a plan to be a "strong modern woman" emotionally cold to all around her and by her own description selfish to all but her needs. I know this is no way to live and it will hit home eventually. This book is everything that is wrong with marriages today and glorifies leaving a husband to pursue happiness, rather than honoring the commitment and building a great life and marriage. It is sad that it is now easier to turn and walk away rather than work and build a marriage. Society is much the poorer for this attitude.
Posted By: Vibrissa Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 04:54 AM
From wikipedia:

At 32 years old, Elizabeth Gilbert was educated and had a home, a husband, and a successful career as a writer. However, she was unhappy in her marriage and often spent the night crying on her bathroom floor. In the midst of an affair, she separated from her husband and initiated a divorce, which he contested. The affair continued for some time but did not work out, leaving her devastated and alone.

Yes. She had an affair. She ended her marriage. When the affair didn't work out (big surprise) rather than look in towards herself she embarks in an external journey to find happiness- since OM didn't provide it.

I'd rather get thoughts on marriage from someone with a happy marriage than a foggy wayward.
Posted By: princessmeggy Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 11:30 AM
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Elizabeth Gilbert did not have an affair, she chose to end the marriage first.

Wrong!!!

***edited myself***
Posted By: SugarCane Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 12:37 PM
This author is giving a talk in London one evening this week about her book.

I might go to that. Is there anything you'd like me to say or ask?

I don't think I will enjoy being there. I suspect there will be a lot of supporters celebrating her "follow your heart" message and I will be boiling with rage.
Posted By: CWMI Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 01:07 PM
Originally Posted by Hitch2007
I was a FWW, and I read this book whilst I was still in the fog.

However, I do think that everyone has a right to pursue their dreams in life, and I don't think this is self indulgent. It would be more self indulgent for others not to let those that they love free.

You sound like you're still foggy.
Posted By: V_planifolia Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 01:38 PM
Originally Posted by SugarCane
This author is giving a talk in London one evening this week about her book.

I might go to that. Is there anything you'd like me to say or ask?

I don't think I will enjoy being there. I suspect there will be a lot of supporters celebrating her "follow your heart" message and I will be boiling with rage.

Aw, SC, I have such a low level of tolerance for this kind of stuff now. I would have an incredibly hard time biting my tongue and keeping it together.

I think you should totally ask her about looking externally for her happiness - her M didn't give it to her, apparently, her OM didn't give it to her, her new OWH (?) ... ? I don't know if it will be worth it, and I suspect she will spin her whole "finding herself trip" into her answer, but... Interesting to bring up, no less!
Posted By: nath076 Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 02:09 PM
Ask her how she feels about playing a part in the destruction of peoples marriages, and does it bring real long lasting happiness.
Posted By: Mulan Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 03:51 PM
This chick sounds like a Rielle Hunter clone - you know, John Edwards's hippie ho who helped destroyed his marriage so she could "find her authentic self".

Well, I'd say she succeeded in that last part.
Posted By: CV55 Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 04:05 PM
I asked for this book for Christmas almost 2 years ago because of all the hype about it. I have been trying to get through it since last March. Here's my thoughts. I'm not sure what all the hype is about, except Oprah liked it. I find it kind of boring. Within the first several chapter my A-dar was at full strength and it was pretty obvious that the author left her M because of an affair. She is just to wimpy to say it outright. She moved in with the OM immediately after leaving her H. My guess is that she had her H sign some sort of gag order and in return he got a pile of cash.

The author is just an example of someone trying to purchase her spirituality. How many people can travel around the world on someone else's dime in order to "find themselves"? Truthfully I would have gotten a lot more out of this book if she would have admitted she was a WS who had learned from her mistakes. However she just pines away for the OM through much of the book.

Finally, I have been disgusted by Julia Roberts since her A, which was even before I became a BS. She is an example of the worst kind of OW. She was really nasty. Somehow she got away with it, maybe because back then the attitude about these As was more tolerant. Julia was the perfect person to play the part of the author. No, I won't be seeing the movie, nor will I finish this boring book.
Posted By: SusieQ Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 04:50 PM
I skimmed the author's website and looked at the Q&A column that is all about her research and thoughts on marriage. Interesting that she's so opiniated on a subject she hasn't had much success in, and, yeah, she's got the freeloader/renter mentality...

Anyway, one of her ideas on marriage that she mentioned more than once is that people shouldn't be marrying young because they need to have more life experience under their belt, etc., and if more people would wait until they were older, into their 30s, the D rate would be much lower. This is obviously a justification for why her first M didn't work out and her 2nd one will.

But frankly, it triggered me and pi$$ed me off because that's what my H said over and over when he was wayward, we married and had children when we were so young, blah blah... ugs...
Posted By: Hitch2007 Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 06:20 PM
What part sounds like I am still foggy? If Elizabeth ends the marriage and then chooses to travel the world that is a choice she is entitled to do. Elizabeth elected for a year of celibacy to get to know herself before embarking on another relationship. I think this is quite sensible. The only part that was not sensible was the fling she had after the marriage, at a vulnerable time. I would like you to be specific about why I am still foggy?



Posted By: Hitch2007 Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 06:24 PM
In the book she only got involved with another man once she had ended the marriage and the divorce was going through. I am not sure Wikipedia is that reliable.

I just think you need to cut this lady some slack. There are some things that i don't agree with, however she chose not to talk about the reason the marriage ended, we are all guessing that she didn't put the effort in, maybe she did, maybe she didn't who knows. I just believe that we can't jump to conclusions and jump on this womans back without sound evidence.

I think her book 'commited' is very useful for those considering marriage and all the elements that need to be considered. A lot of what she came up with in Commited is aligned to Marriage Builders.
Posted By: CWMI Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 07:32 PM
Originally Posted by Hitch2007
What part sounds like I am still foggy?

The statement which I bolded in the quote. That you believe it is self-indulgent to NOT set free your spouse if they want to 'go find themself'.

It's blaming the victim. How is it self-indulgent to expect someone to uphold VOWS they made to you?

Posted By: Hitch2007 Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 07:57 PM
CWMI - My post did not mean that, I agree with you that is entirely self indulgent to do this whilst married. I meant that if a marriage ends in divorce, then I don't think it is self indulgent to take some time out to go travelling. I was more talking about references to her social circle family and friends who were opposed to her going travelling. Yes I think it is very self indulgent and totally wrong to do this when married!!!! Elizabeth did not decide to do this when married, it was some time after she left her husband.

I will probably refrain from posting on this thread as i am upsetting some people. I am not here for book reviews anyway.
Posted By: stillhere8126 Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 08:36 PM
Originally Posted by Hitch2007
In the book she only got involved with another man once she had ended the marriage and the divorce was going through. I am not sure Wikipedia is that reliable.

I just think you need to cut this lady some slack. There are some things that i don't agree with, however she chose not to talk about the reason the marriage ended, we are all guessing that she didn't put the effort in, maybe she did, maybe she didn't who knows. I just believe that we can't jump to conclusions and jump on this womans back without sound evidence.

I think her book 'commited' is very useful for those considering marriage and all the elements that need to be considered. A lot of what she came up with in Commited is aligned to Marriage Builders.

The reason why she didnt talk about it in her book is because her M ended because she left her BH for OM....she obviously knows this was wrong....if there is nothing wrong with it why doesnt she just put it in her book...She is the typical entitled, selfish wayward... MrRollieEyes
Posted By: CWMI Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 08:51 PM
I think she didn't listen succinctly enough to that voice in the bathroom that told her, "Go back to bed, Liz."

Perhaps the voice should have said, "That is YOUR bed, Liz. Lie in it!"

To me that was the most striking bit of 'different interpretation' between the author and I...but I'm only on page 100 of the book. She apparently heard, "Nothing to do right now but rest up for tomorrow's adventure!" and I would have heard, "Grow the eff up and handle your business, you self-indulgent twit! There is a MAN in there who is counting on you to keep your word. Go to him and figure this out together."



Posted By: stillhere8126 Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 08:56 PM
ITA, CWMI....I dont think I could even read that book...It would get me too annoyed at her stupidity.
Posted By: CWMI Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 11:22 PM
I think she actually did talk about why the marriage ended...she said that they both went into the marriage believing that her wanderlust would dissipate around age 30 and she'd be ready to settle down into the suburban home and start making babies, but 30 came and she wasn't. She said a lot of the downfall was her fault, but that he wasn't 'completely blameless'.

Yeah, he expected her to settle down, like she'd said she would. So I imagine there was all kinds of 'pressure' from him to follow through. The lousy guy probably expected her to come home at night, or show up for funerals or something, what a jerk! :rolls eyes:
Posted By: stillhere8126 Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/12/10 11:34 PM

This is what V posted about wikipedia.. think Me thinkst there is some rewriting history by Elizabeth...So she can say the "affair" was not what broke up the M...Like all waywards say.. MrRollieEyes

Originally Posted by Vibrissa
From wikipedia:

At 32 years old, Elizabeth Gilbert was educated and had a home, a husband, and a successful career as a writer. However, she was unhappy in her marriage and often spent the night crying on her bathroom floor. In the midst of an affair, she separated from her husband and initiated a divorce, which he contested. The affair continued for some time but did not work out, leaving her devastated and alone.

Yes. She had an affair. She ended her marriage. When the affair didn't work out (big surprise) rather than look in towards herself she embarks in an external journey to find happiness- since OM didn't provide it.

I'd rather get thoughts on marriage from someone with a happy marriage than a foggy wayward.
Posted By: atena Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/13/10 08:55 AM
It is so obvious she had an A and that the A ended the M. There was no reason why she could have not worked the M out. She herself admitted that the problems where mostly her fault...so what does she expect from her second M?
She is certainly not enlightened, if that what she thinks she is... even after her long journeys in Italy (pleeease), India and then Bali.
One does not need an outward journey to find oneself. In fact I believe she is probably the same person who left her first husband. She just dusted herself and now she thinks she is all shining, but her work is only on the surface.
It is going to be faily easy to follow her life from now on as she is a celebrity...she got involved with a man who is much older....and from a different culture. Many challenges right there...but I am sure she will be so good at handling them. Pride will play a big role...she will put extra effort in order for this relationship to work...extra effort that could have saved her first M....
But then she could have not written the book and become successful....
blessing
Posted By: atena Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/13/10 09:06 AM
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Strength and happiness are not found in running away - but in enduring and finding joy in the small treasures we are given daily: the sun on my face, my daughter's laugh, my husband's warm embrace.
Unfortunately there is no way to prove this. And actually our culture does everything to show us that running away does make you happy. Gilbert has glamorized this and so has Julia R. in her personal life.
These famous waywards and even the less famous ones are run by pride and will never admit they made a mistake, never. So who knows....
I am sure at the stage Gilbert is now (success etc..) she is not thinking about her first H and her failed M, unless it brings her revenew.
blessing
Posted By: Scotland Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/13/10 12:34 PM
Atena, we really can't know what people are thinking and how they are feeling at their quiet moments. There are many people who not only run away figuratively but they run away mentally and emotionally. They stick their heads in the sand and wish away their problems. It doesn't make the problems go away.

There are many people who already have a wayward mindset and reading these kinds of books or watching these types of movies only validates them. I never read this book or saw this movie and I never wanted to. I wasn't aware that Julia Roberts had an affairage and I have lost a lot of respect for her. I know it won't affect her in a personal way because she doesn't know me, but I will pass on the info at every opportunity I have. No more Julia Roberts movies for me.
Posted By: atena Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/13/10 12:52 PM
You are right, we do not know what they are thinking, but their actions speak volumes...
I mean this literally in the case of Gilbert. Her thinking is messed up, however she is able to put it in a book and convince people, because, sadly, a lot of people feel trapped in unhappy relationships and feel the only way out is to run away with a new person....
This is how we solve our problems in this culture.
So in a way it is hard to think that a WS has actually any remorse or any problems when they leave the M.
Many times it is shown to us that their lives actually improve.
Julia has 3 kids with her affairage and leaves happily on a ranch making tons of money...
Gilbert's books sell very well, she has a new man, is spiritual and successful....so the proof of it speaks volumes.
Sure we do not know what goes on in their head but we can assume they just go on with their lives as anybody else does.
blessing
Posted By: Scotland Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/13/10 04:51 PM
Yes they go on with their life just as everybody else does. Sure they have money. Maybe even fame and fortune. BUT does that truly get them happiness. I feel sorry for those children. I hope that Julia and her affairage husband are able to get out of their wayward selfish mindset and actually be able to take care of those children although they may end up with an obscure sense of morals which will not serve them well in life.

There is more to life and happiness than money and fame. It is true that while some waywards NEVER wake up from their wayward thinking, they AREN'T happy. Find me people who are merely going through their existence who are truly happy. You will find people who are just getting by. Surviving and not thriving. Of course there will be moments of happiness but when you are at your final judgment, what do you want said about you? How do YOU want to be remembered? What do you want people to say when they are saying good-bye to you?

I can answer that question. I choose to live my life by making choices that will positively effect me and as many people around me as possible. Things that will make people BETTER. That is one of the reasons that I come on here and try to help whenever I can. I want to have a positive effect on other people's lives. That is what brings me true happiness, TRUE JOY. I wish the best for people and I hope that everyone can find their inner peace. Staying in a negative mindset does no one any good. We are not the product of our circumstances, we are the product of our choices. I CHOOSE to do better. I make mistakes, I am human. I choose to learn from my mistakes and become a better person everyday. There is an inner peace that comes from living like this.

One of the things I hated about my WH's affair was the person it was making ME become. I am learning to become a better person and for that I am grateful. I wish only joy for all of my fellow MB posters(and the lurkers too).
Posted By: atena Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/13/10 05:49 PM
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Find me people who are merely going through their existence who are truly happy. You will find people who are just getting by.
Many of us BS fit the quote above.

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One of the things I hated about my WH's affair was the person it was making ME become.
And I think we fit it because we let the A eat at us and transform us in bitter people.
It is important to be aware of this and work on being loving and caring and positive. Because at times the A and the end of a M can actually be a blessing as they give us an opportunity to better ourselves and find our strenghts.
blessing
Posted By: Scotland Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/13/10 07:06 PM
I am NOT bitter and it makes me angry when people say this to me. I really am not. I am truthful and honest. When something is hurting me, I let people know. I don't let it rule me NOW. I have changed. What I was talking about was the jealous raging person I was before I knew about MB. I was insecure and I AOd and DJd all over the place. I was NOT a person I liked to be.

Being in Plan B and pulling off a relatively DARK one has helped me to not only survive, but THRIVE. I have made small changes that have built up to bigger ones and I am PROUD of who I am becoming. A work in progress.
Posted By: atena Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/13/10 07:13 PM
Scotland, I was not thinking of you at all about being a bitter BS, to the contrary, you are an example of how plan b actually transforms a person into a better one, accepting and loving.
I think I was thinking more about myself, as sometimes I have to catch myself and be aware of my thinking and actions. Otherwise I risk for the bitterness to rule me.
I know my WH has been telling people that I am angry and want to punish him.
I do not know where he gets that from as I do not even talk to him. He must get it thru the grapevine. I do not want to be an angry person who punishes people. I believe I am not, so I know how upsetting it is to be thought as angry and bitter when that is not the case.
blessing
Posted By: Scotland Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/13/10 09:14 PM
Okay, sorry. Sometimes it is hard to understand people's tone on here since it is words only. I don't think of you as bitter or as punishing only sad and hurt.

I KNOW that Plan B will help you. I have seen how much better I feel and I wish that for everyone. I too feel like some days I am just surviving. Going through the motions hoping for a better day. Honestly though, a couple of weeks ago, I started to feel happy. Almost like my old self long before the A. I wish that for you too.

See, you shouldn't even be hearing that your WH thinks that you are punishing him. You should be protecting yourself from hearing things like that and asking people to help you. It is against everyone else's instincts that we would not want to hear about our WH. Really though, why should we want to? We don't want to be hurt again and again and tortured about how "happy: our WH is without us and how we should just move on. After going through all of this, I actually feel really sorry for Jennifer Aniston. She had to go through all of this pain and humiliation in the limelight and had to talk about it over and over again. She is still seeing the things written, although, I think she might get a kick out of some of the more recent news.

Sorry, I just rambled and rambled. Let's get on with getting ourselves healed from this mess. One day at a time.
Posted By: CWMI Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/13/10 09:20 PM
Ah-ha! (not ya'll, scot and at)

The mystery unraveled.

Pg. 16 has her on the floor praying in the bathroom.

Pg 17 has her leaving her H seven months later.

Pg 124 says that she found her guru ONE MONTH after that night on the floor, via a picture in David's apartment.

So she was seeing David AT LEAST six months before she left her husband.
Posted By: Scotland Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 09/13/10 09:27 PM
Thanx CWMI. At least we have PROOF now. See waywards are so dumb that there is ALWAYS proof. grin
Posted By: Hitch2007 Re: Eat, "prey", love...the truth - 10/07/10 04:27 PM
went to see the film at the cinema and...

Eat Pray Love Vomit

(wish I knew how to do that puking icon)

Yup your all right and I was wrong. I must have been so foggy when I read that book, I couldn't even see my own hands. What a load of toosh.

Worst bit of the film - When on the rooftop she imagines that her husband is there and he forgives her, but really she decides to forgive herself.

Best bit of the film - When her husband Steven says to her, you didn't even give me chance to fix anything? You didn't even tell me what was wrong? No you can't have a divorce and she sits there like a muppet.

All I can say is I am sure she is a nice lady and can only comment via what I have read/seen but she strikes me as someone completely self obssessed, thinks her wants and needs are the only thing that matters and then made a big drama about what most people do when a marriage ends..... grieve...

She ate some pasta, prayed a little and then had a holiday in the sun in Bali.
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