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Posted By: SadyetdevotedBH Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 04:12 PM
Got blasted by my own mother--saying I should have talked to them first before including so many strangers...
I emailed it so it would travel faster and get to more people and hit over 2 dozen of her closest friends and family (as well as my parents).
She has had an affair for over a year (by correspondence as the guy is a former high school boyfriend in prison) and I found out courtesy of one of our area FBI agents about 3 months ago. They wanted to know if I knew the content and extent of her correspondence with him--of course I did not. We have had a wonderful summer renewing our relationship and going to counseling. Then I find out she has still been in contact with him and I knew I had to expose it.
We have been married for nearly 19 years and have 5 boys ages 16-4. Still love her immensely.
Posted By: MelodyLane Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 04:32 PM
So sorry to hear about her affair. Did you also include your sons in your exposure?

Please take the time to read the Start Here First thread at the top of the forum.
Posted By: BrainHurts Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 04:35 PM
Welcome to MB and sorry for your pain.

Please read this.
Start Here First-Welcome Aboard

Who did you expose to on OM's side?
Posted By: SadyetdevotedBH Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 04:44 PM
I don't have access to any of his family's info and he is in prison far away from us...at least there is that. I did the best I could with what I had. The idea is get her to quit, right?

I thought I read all that already...did I do something wrong in posting?
Posted By: BrainHurts Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by SadyetdevotedBH
I don't have access to any of his family's info and he is in prison far away from us...at least there is that. I did the best I could with what I had. The idea is get her to quit, right?

I thought I read all that already...did I do something wrong in posting?
No you didn't do anything wrong by posting.

Will she write a NC letter?

Can you find out who his family is? If she went to HS with him does he family live in the same place?

Posted By: MelodyLane Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 05:02 PM
Originally Posted by SadyetdevotedBH
I thought I read all that already...did I do something wrong in posting?

Certainly not! I just wanted to make sure you did read it because it contains the basics. I am glad you posted!
Posted By: SadyetdevotedBH Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 05:47 PM
She will not stop contacting him, so no NC letter at this point. She will be so angry with me...oh well. Shoe is on other foot now, not interested in retribution--just healing and reconciling.

She already told his family when I found out. However, she only told her dad on her side...now her entire family knows.
Posted By: MelodyLane Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 05:52 PM
Have you told your children?

And what about contacting the OM's family? Would that be of any help? What is he in prison for?
Posted By: SadyetdevotedBH Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 06:02 PM
He was convicted of child trafficking (though he says he sent them to a safe haven because his wife was abusing them--of course, my wife believes him!) but it is still an open case, which is why the FBI told me. At least one reason to like the FBI! They let me know what my wife never would.
Posted By: NeverGuessed Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 06:31 PM
We need some more information.

- Is your WW independently employed?
- Do you and she share financial accounts?
- How did she initially contact scumbucket?
- Is your contact list (outside of conflict-avoiding Mommy) supporting you, or the skank your WW is becoming?

Evidence will show that in most cases, the first one/two weeks after exposure sets the direction for her future alignment - either "back to her marriage", or the dreaded "I don't/never did love you anymore and my true destiny lies with POSOM."

Your Plan A actions (strength, integrity, and duration) are what you have to work with to influence her to make the right decision.

So, you have to create as stark a contrast as you can:

Be the grandest husband she can imagine in things that do NOT facilitate or ease her continued contact and dalliance with this turd. No displayed anger, no insulting comments.

At the same time interfere in every possible way with that contact.

And you did yourself no good with your self-delusional "wonderful summer"; she was internally laughing at you the whole time. So the lesson to take away is that she is NOT to be trusted, in any thing, in any way. She will not suddenly get a call from a sick relative asking for a visit; she will be scheduling a conjugal visit with a certain inmate. Can you sign up for that mindset now, or shall you choose to be betrayed over and over?
Posted By: SadyetdevotedBH Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 07:28 PM
Yes, I just got off the phone with her and was up front with what I did. Just very matter-of-fact in my manner, calm rather than irate and I am already in the 2nd category you mentioned (not the "back to her marriage" category). She finally admitted she was planning on leaving once the boys were out of the house...that's going to be awhile, so I have time and this guy is not eligible for parole for 8 more years and lives 12 hours away. A lot can happen in that time and with the assistance of my wonderful children! I'm killing her with kindness.
No, she is not employed at all. She wants to finish her degree to become a nurse and she is not quite halfway there, so she still needs me whether she likes it or not. Yes, we do share finances. Only one income and a slim one at that, so there isn't much for her to siphon off...she's tried but was caught.
Posted By: BrainHurts Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 07:44 PM
Originally Posted by SadyetdevotedBH
He was convicted of child trafficking (though he says he sent them to a safe haven because his wife was abusing them--of course, my wife believes him!) but it is still an open case, which is why the FBI told me. At least one reason to like the FBI! They let me know what my wife never would.
Have you exposed to your children? Can you find his family?
Posted By: BetrayedP Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 07:50 PM
If she won't write a no contact letter you should invite her to leave now. No need for her to wait till the boys leave home. Don't allow her to continue her blatant adultery in your home.
Posted By: MelodyLane Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 07:59 PM
Originally Posted by SadyetdevotedBH
He was convicted of child trafficking (though he says he sent them to a safe haven because his wife was abusing them--of course, my wife believes him!) but it is still an open case, which is why the FBI told me. At least one reason to like the FBI! They let me know what my wife never would.

Have you told your children about her affair? Have you told everyone he was convicted of child trafficking?
Posted By: SadyetdevotedBH Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 08:00 PM
Originally Posted by BrainHurts
Originally Posted by SadyetdevotedBH
He was convicted of child trafficking (though he says he sent them to a safe haven because his wife was abusing them--of course, my wife believes him!) but it is still an open case, which is why the FBI told me. At least one reason to like the FBI! They let me know what my wife never would.
Have you exposed to your children? Can you find his family?

They know that John is her friend, they just don't know the extent and my mother is admant that I should not...I wasn't going to, but I am considering it more and more. It might get her to make a choice one way or the other, right?
His family already knows.
Posted By: MelodyLane Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 08:02 PM
Originally Posted by SadyetdevotedBH
She finally admitted she was planning on leaving once the boys were out of the house...that's going to be awhile, so I have time and this guy is not eligible for parole for 8 more years and lives 12 hours away. A lot can happen in that time and with the assistance of my wonderful children! I'm killing her with kindness.

Sad, you need to "admit" to her that this will lead to divorce much sooner if she will not end her affair. You need to start making plans to separate if she doesn't end it. Dr Harley recommends about 6 months of Plan A to men and if she doesn't end the affair in that time, you should consider a separation. Where would she live? How would she support herself?

Your first order of business needs to be to bust up this affair. Sitting on the sidelines will destroy your marriage. You need to be kind, but you also need to be FIRM about her ending the affair by DEMANDING she end it.

Can you please answer our questions about exposure to your children?
Posted By: SadyetdevotedBH Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 08:05 PM
I just did. I said I wasn't going to at first, but am rethinking that stance... They know we are struggling, but they don't know the why of it all.

It may be time to call for a family council and tell my boys that their mother wishes for me to divorce her and let her explain why. That sounds cruel, but it might get her to realize exactly what she is doing and how selfish it is.
Posted By: MelodyLane Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 08:05 PM
Originally Posted by SadyetdevotedBH
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They know that John is her friend, they just don't know the extent and my mother is admant that I should not...I wasn't going to, but I am considering it more and more. It might get her to make a choice one way or the other, right?
His family already knows.

John is not her "friend," that is a lie. He is the enemy of her marriage and your children's family. Your mother is very wrong to tell you to lie to those kids. Your kids need to know the FULL truth. They need to know she is having an affair, with whom, her plans to dump you for him and the OM's full background. The children should be told BY YOU without forewarning your wife. Your children should be encouraged to speak to their mother about it.

Dr. Bill Harley, clinical psychologist and founder of MArriage Builders, on telling the children:

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The same can be said about telling children about an affair. My experience with the positive outcomes of hundreds of families where an affair has been exposed to children has led me to encourage a betrayed spouse not to fear such exposure. In fact, to mislead children, giving other false explanations as to why their parents are not getting along, causes children to be very confused. When they finally discover the truth, it sets an example to children that dishonesty is sometimes acceptable, making them the judge of when that might occur.

An affair is an attack on children as well as the betrayed spouse. And it's true that children are deeply affected by this form of irresponsible behavior. But it's the act of infidelity that causes children to suffer, not the exposure of it. Facts point us toward solutions. Illusion leads us astray. That's true for children as well as adults.
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Q: So, you do suggest telling our 10 year old son? Is this more than he can handle? He never saw any real unhappiness as my husband and I had a very low conflict marriage. I have been protecting our son from this truth. He still has hope that his dad is going to come home.
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A: As for your son, the truth will come out eventually, even if you get back together again. And your son won't be emotionally crippled if he hears the truth. It's lies and deception that cripple children. He should know that your husband is choosing his lover over his son's mother. It's a fact. He's willing to ruin a family unit all for what.

When I first started recommending openness about an affair, I wasn't sure what would happen. But I did it because I knew it was the right thing to do. Now I know that for most couples it marks the beginning of recovery.


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The reason that children should know about an affair is that exposing it to the light of day (letting everyone know), helps give the unfaithful spouse a dose of reality. An affair thrives on illusion, and whatever a betrayed spouse can do to eliminate the illusion is justifiable. Mold doesn't grow well in sunlight.
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2. How honest should I be about the A? (they are 7 and under)

Tell your children as much as you can about their father's affair, and how it affects you. There are some counselors and lawyers that strongly disagree with me on this issue, but I have maintained that position for over 35 years without any evidence that children are hurt by it. They're hurt by the affair, not by accurate information regarding the affair. Just make sure that you don't combine accurate information with disrespectful judgments. For example, you can say that the OW has taken their father away from you, but you should not say that she is home-wrecker (or worse).
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My basic approach to life is that radical honesty is valuable on many different dimensions. It keeps us out of trouble, it helps others understand us, and it helps others avoid the same mistakes we have made. Letting your children know the details of your husband's affair would help them in all three areas.

The more your children know about your husband's affair, the more careful he will be to avoid them in the future.

The more your children know about his affair, the more they will understand what you are going through in your recovery (by the way, you are doing very well -- keep up the good work!).

Being radically honest about your husband's affair with your children would also help them avoid affairs themselves. How it happened and how could it have been prevented is a great object lesson for children. I learned that I was vulnerable for an affair when I learned about my grandfather's affairs. The extraordinary precautions I've taken were directly related to what I learned about him.

It's the approach I've always taken, and while it's difficult, especially for the WS, there's much more upside to it than downside.
Posted By: MelodyLane Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 08:07 PM
Originally Posted by SadyetdevotedBH
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His family already knows.

What were they told and WHO told them? Did you PERSONALLY speak to them? If this guy is married, have you spoken to his wife? Spoken to his parents? Have you written the prison authorities to try and stop this pig from writing your wife? Would that do any good?
Posted By: BrainHurts Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 08:07 PM
Originally Posted by SadyetdevotedBH
Originally Posted by BrainHurts
Originally Posted by SadyetdevotedBH
He was convicted of child trafficking (though he says he sent them to a safe haven because his wife was abusing them--of course, my wife believes him!) but it is still an open case, which is why the FBI told me. At least one reason to like the FBI! They let me know what my wife never would.
Have you exposed to your children? Can you find his family?

They know that John is her friend, they just don't know the extent and my mother is admant that I should not...I wasn't going to, but I am considering it more and more. It might get her to make a choice one way or the other, right?
His family already knows.
Why haven't you told them the truth about OM? You did read the exposure thread on what Dr. Harley says about exposing to children??

How old are they?

ETA: I see you don't have to reread the exposure thread ML posted it to you above.
Posted By: MelodyLane Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 08:08 PM
Originally Posted by SadyetdevotedBH
[They know that John is her friend, they just don't know the extent and my mother is admant that I should not

Sad, I know your mother means well but she has no experience and background in saving a marriage from an affair. Dr Harley is a psychologist and an expert and he is ADAMANT that the children are told. It is harmful to lie to them about this.
Posted By: SadyetdevotedBH Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 08:16 PM
I am seeing the light, guys. Here's what I hope happens: I go home tonight, call all the boys in and tell them what he is to her and let them know what they have done. I am hoping that she will see their reaction and truly realize the impact and selfishness involved in her behavior.
Besides, I need their help to disrupt her communication.
Posted By: MelodyLane Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/29/13 08:49 PM
Originally Posted by SadyetdevotedBH
I am seeing the light, guys. Here's what I hope happens: I go home tonight, call all the boys in and tell them what he is to her and let them know what they have done. I am hoping that she will see their reaction and truly realize the impact and selfishness involved in her behavior.
Besides, I need their help to disrupt her communication.

Perfect!! And be sure and tell them her plan to bust up the family for this loser. They need to know also WHY he is in prison and that the FBI has contacted you.

I would not include her on this discussion.

Do you have a keylogger on her computer?
Posted By: ItCanGetBetter Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/30/13 12:13 PM
He's up for parole in 8years?

How would it effect him if the parole board heard he was breaking up someone's marriage while in prison?

You can give him great reason to back off!
Posted By: NeverGuessed Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/30/13 12:55 PM
Here's the deal - and it ain't an easy one to pull off! For certain elements of her lifestyle, that can be used to facilitate her affair, and provide her a comfy "home-life" while she develops the access to her planned "whore-life", you are going to have to be a p***k, but a caring, regret-filled, p***k!

The trick is going to have to be that you sell her on the following construct:

"WW, I have hopes that we can save and recover our marriage, but I cannot permit anyone (unspoken: including you!) to take actions that make that less likely to be pursued, and more difficult to accomplish. Therefore I am forced to have already:

- cut you off from all access to the proceeds of my wages and/or salary. I have opened new accounts in my name only, and will control all disbursement of funds.
- cancel all our jointly-held credit cards.
- remove you from usage of the vehicles titled and registered in my name, by removing and turning in the tags for such vehicles.
- cancel your cell-phone plan.
- decline to fund the completion of your education.

If you find these excessively onerous, I would urge you to leave our home, and await POSOM's release in eight years in other lodgings. I would hate having that BE YOUR CHOICE, but I cannot live with your carrying on an affair from our home BE YOUR CHOICE.

The good news is that these exclusions can all be retracted if:

- You are willing to hand-write a No-Contact Letter to POSOM for my approval and mailing.
- You accept Extraordinary Precautions to eliminate any possibility of future contact.
- you enthusiastically enter into, and stay with, the MB Recovery Plan."


There is absolutely no reason your boys should not know of this discussion, and even be present (again: consider the similarity of familially confronting an alcoholic).
Posted By: BrainHurts Re: Just Exposed it today... - 08/30/13 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by SadyetdevotedBH
I am seeing the light, guys. Here's what I hope happens: I go home tonight, call all the boys in and tell them what he is to her and let them know what they have done. I am hoping that she will see their reaction and truly realize the impact and selfishness involved in her behavior.
Besides, I need their help to disrupt her communication.
How did it go?
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