I'm sitting her so miserable as I'm purposefully getting fat and bloated up until Friday. Starting Friday I'll be going on a physique change competition that will last 8 weeks.
Good luck. I feel compelled to employ my dad's annoying knowledge here - it will actually be easier for you to stick to the 8 weeks if you DON'T party like it's 1999 until then (runs and hides)
I am personally thinking of buying one of those black market tape worms that you swallow.
Good luck. I feel compelled to employ my dad's annoying knowledge here - it will actually be easier for you to stick to the 8 weeks if you DON'T party like it's 1999 until then (runs and hides)
I am personally thinking of buying one of those black market tape worms that you swallow.
ha! Oh all the rage in Victorian times.
I really don't have steep competition. However, I'm also looking at this as a cutting opportunity. I should be extremely lean...almost step on stage bodybuilding lean. The last time I got close to this lean was....wellllll....it's not appropritate to talk about on this forum. And it doesn't ahve to do anything with drugs.
Good luck with those 8 weeks. At this point, I really don't think I could go that long without a drink.
Thanks! I'll try. I know that sounds bad. But I just really enjoy my after soccer games beer on the weekend nights. However, if I go ketosis, then that will allow me 1 day a week to cheat. I can time my cheating to this time and since I'll have been in an anaerobic environment, my body will be primed to burn carbs. Since alcohol is mainly carbs, this wouldn't be so bad.
However, if I go ketosis, then that will allow me 1 day a week to cheat. I can time my cheating to this time and since I'll have been in an anaerobic environment, my body will be primed to burn carbs. Since alcohol is mainly carbs, this wouldn't be so bad.
What did you just say?!
Would you please explain for the slow learners? Thanks!
However, if I go ketosis, then that will allow me 1 day a week to cheat. I can time my cheating to this time and since I'll have been in an anaerobic environment, my body will be primed to burn carbs. Since alcohol is mainly carbs, this wouldn't be so bad.
What did you just say?!
Would you please explain for the slow learners? Thanks!
The state of ketosis is where you are using ketones and fatty acids as your primary fuel source rather than glucose (which is what you get from carbs). When you go low carb, your body starts to release ketones into the blood stream. So then your body will then start to use fat as its primary source of energy. You�d prob. be familiar with this ala the Akins Diet that was the huge rage years ago. Now there�s a lot more to it but this is the very basic info in a nutshell.
Once every 5-7 days (depending on bodyfat percentage) you are allowed a reefed time which is usually 12-24 hours. Some will call this a cheat meal or an off day. What this means is the dieter then takes a day every 5-7 days and has a meal or a few that is higher in carbs and basically just eat what you want. This has a number of benefits�none of which are important for this thread.
And when you get done exercising that�s not just getting out there and running around the block or a couple miles, you�re doing anaerobic activity (it means without oxygen) and this is stuff like lifting weights, sprinting, throwing a baseball (basically short spurts of explosive activity). This is when carbs come into play. Anaerobic activity is fueled by glucose and so if you time your carbohydrate intake around exercise, then it is used rather than stored.
Obviously there�s so much more to this. But this is the basic breakdown of what I said.
[Once every 5-7 days (depending on bodyfat percentage) you are allowed a reefed time which is usually 12-24 hours. Some will call this a cheat meal or an off day. What this means is the dieter then takes a day every 5-7 days and has a meal or a few that is higher in carbs and basically just eat what you want. This has a number of benefits�none of which are important for this thread.
KT, here is the problem I had with cheat days. First off, it knocked me out of ketosis and takes me 2-3 days to get back into it. While I am out of fat burning, I feel sick and dragged down with low energy again. Sugar cheats are even worse: I feel HORRIBLE and weak along with other problems [gastric] I won't mention here. Bread cheats have me waking up at 3am with severe heartburn.
In every instance, I become bloated because when you switch to glucose metabolism [from fat metabolism] the liver retains water again. [the water weight is the first to go on a low carb diet and it is also the first to come back] That water retention can account for up to 5 pounds of water weight gain over night.
I have no doubt that some people can do good with cheats, but they have always been a disaster for me. I have never ever had a cheat in 12 years I felt was worth it.
I'm completely with you, Melody. It can take up to 72 hours to get back into ketosis...so 2-3 days is about right on target.
I'm starting to realize that 8 weeks really isn't that long. Starting Sat I'll keep my carb intake at 20 grams and under. That will allow me to keep my normal consumption of nonstarchy vegetables and up to 1 cup of berries.
I think that I'll allow 1 refeed meal every 2 weeks but keep my carb intake for the entire day at under 80 grams.
I will try and target some fast acting carbs of about 20 grams during workouts as that shouldn't have an impact on my ketosis. But we'll see how that works after the first week after hitting ketosis.
I'm reading this while eating a handful of dark chocolate covered almonds.
This all is just too much for me. How does anyone ever find the energy (or the time) to pay such close attention to what they eat? I consider it a good day when I actually remember TO eat.
I'm reading this while eating a handful of dark chocolate covered almonds.
This all is just too much for me. How does anyone ever find the energy (or the time) to pay such close attention to what they eat? I consider it a good day when I actually remember TO eat.
I've been adjusting my diet for various reasons for years now so that I don't count calories so much as keep a mental note that I'm getting enough protein, unsaturated fat, not too many carbs, and a moderate amount of saturated fat. Once you do it long enough, you get really good at portion control and calorie estimates.
The other thing is we find time for what we find important. I know that for muscle growth to happen I need X amount of calories and X amount of those calories to come from protein. I also know that when I�m trying to cut, calorie manipulation can get a little tricky depending on how lean I am and also making sure hormones stay a-ok. My wife laughs when I start pulling out the scale to weigh my food out and have baggies and I�m throwing stuff in the freezer for the week. Some guys shoot pool, some guys fish, some play video games�I pay attention to diet and exercise. Now you wanna see someone that�s crazy �bout this? I have a friend that�s a competitive bodybuilder. He weighs everything down to the milligram.
Summers are easier to plan things. During the school year, it gets a bit trickier. But if you have a habit of eating about the same thing most of the time, then it becomes easy to plan your meals through the week and keep track of calories.
I love exercise and nutrition stuff. I just finished reading a 372 page book on protein that was packed full of research. Booooring stuff for some people...a breath of fresh air for me to read.
Ketosis - also related to ketoacidosis, which is what happens to diabetics just before they die. The process the body goes through is the same, one just is more severe. Your body should not stay in constant ketosis. I have a colleague who stayed on the first stage of Atkins for so long she basically has to be carb free for the rest of her life. I mean, she checks cough syrup for carbs.
Okay, mean worrying Mommy out now.
I need to do something....at this point I wonder if it might be easier to just keep going until I am fat enough for lap band surgery - ha!
One of the EP's right after D-Day for me was that my DH wanted me to stop running/walking (it was a trigger), and eat normally. Adding that to the meds, and the weight just crept up. Another good reason to never cheat -- it can lead to obesity
I really am very particular about the food I put into my body. I try my best to have a healthy, well-balanced diet. I do not allow trans fats into my home. I love fruits and vegetables and nuts. I eat lots of fish and I stay away from processed foods as much as possible. I exercise 20 - 30 minutes a day, 5 days a week.
It seems to work well for me. I'm not overweight and I don't have any health problems. I don't know if I could handle something too regimented, and I definitely wouldn't be happy eating the same things all the time. I love variety. I love food in general. For me, it's all about moderation when it comes to the things I know aren't very good for me (like chocolate) that I love.
Yup. But there's varying degrees of the state of ketosis. I monitor mine with keto strips. Don't worry; I won't be going near to the point of a diabetic state. I shoot for a moderate amount of ketones.
Can he walk with you? Would he be okay with you joining a gym?
Ketosis - also related to ketoacidosis, which is what happens to diabetics just before they die. The process the body goes through is the same, one just is more severe. Your body should not stay in constant ketosis. I have a colleague who stayed on the first stage of Atkins for so long she basically has to be carb free for the rest of her life. I mean, she checks cough syrup for carbs.
Alot of folks confuse ketoacidosis with KETOSIS. Ketosis is just a benign byproduct of fat burning and has nothing to do with ketoacidosis. [ketoacidosis is when the body starts burning organs because there is no insulin to halt it - this would only be a threat to those who don't produce insulin] There is nothing unhealthy about burning body fat. Thats how you lose weight! It is much healthier to be in it than not in it.
I have been in it for 12 years now and feel like hell when I am not in it. The body operates much more efficiently on fat metabolism than glucose metabolism because body fat is a much more level energy source than glucose. I have low energy and brain fog when I am not in ketosis.
I would also point out that Atkins is not "carb free." It is junk food free. [your friend is looking for SUGAR or alcohol in the cough syrup, which is junk food]So when folks are eating french fries and bread rolls and junk white rice, we are eating green beans, salads and nuts. We just don't waste our carb allowance on garbage carbs. But in the most extreme phase of Atkins [2 week induction] you get 20 grams of carbs per day: which is a salad and 2 servings of a low GI veggie. However, carbs are not essential and can be bad for your health if not kept in moderation with the right kind of carbs. It is much more important to good health to get healthy fats and proteins.
What is Ketosis? By Laura Dolson, About.com Guide Updated July 05, 2008
About.com Health's Disease and Condition content is reviewed by our Medical Review Board
Question: What is Ketosis? Answer: A lot of people are confused by the term "ketosis." You may read that it is a "dangerous state" for the body, and it does sound abnormal to be "in ketosis." But ketosis merely means that our bodies are using fat for energy. Ketones (also called ketone bodies) are molecules generated during fat metabolism, whether from the fat in the guacamole you just ate or fat you were carrying around your middle. When our bodies are breaking down fat for energy, most of the it gets converted more or less directly to ATP. (Remember high school biology? This is the "energy molecule.") But ketones are also produced as part of the process.
When people eat less carbohydrate, their bodies turn to fat for energy, so it makes sense that more ketones are generated. Some of those ketones (acetoacetate and �-hydroxybutyrate) are used for energy; the heart muscle and kidneys, for example, prefer ketones to glucose. Most cells, including the brain cells, are able to use ketones for at least part of their energy. But there is one type of ketone molecule, called acetone, that cannot be used and is excreted as waste, mostly in the urine and breath (sometimes causing a distinct breath odor).
If enough acetone is in our urine, it can be detected using a dipstick commonly called by the brand name Ketostix (though there are other brands, as well). Even though everyone is generating ketones continuously, this detection in the urine is what is commonly called "ketosis."
The higher the concentration of ketones in the urine, the more purple the sticks will turn. The Atkins Diet, in particular, advises people to monitor ketosis as an indication of fat burning. Other reduced carbohydrate diets don't pay much attention to this, or aren't low enough in carbs to make much of an impression on the sticks. (The latter type of diet is sometimes called a "nonketogenic" low-carb diet.)
Why do some people think ketosis is a bad thing? There is an assumption that if a body is burning a lot of fat for energy, it must not be getting "enough" glucose. However, there is no indication, from studying people on reduced carbohydrate diets, that this is the case (though there is usually a short period of adjustment -- less than a week, in most cases). Although it's true that our bodies can't break fat down into glucose (though, interestingly, they easily use glucose to make fat), our bodies can convert some of the protein we eat into glucose. Indeed, this works well for people who don't tolerate a lot of sugar, because this conversion happens slowly so it doesn't spike blood glucose.
A dangerous condition called ketoacidosis can develop in those with type 1 diabetes, and it is sometimes confused with normal ketosis. The body usually avoids this state by producing insulin, but people with type 1 diabetes are unable to produce insulin. Even most people with type 2 diabetes who inject insulin usually produce enough insulin of their own to prevent ketoacidosis.
Okay. I went from happy to miserable quickly. I managed to put away 3/4 of a gallon of milk, a liter of coke, and a large pizza with canadian bacon, jalapenos, green peppers, black olives, onions, and pineapple. I had a nice 8 egg omelet, bacon, and a waffle for breakfast. I nearly have finished off a bag of doritos. I think what just did me in was the 3 ice cream sandwiches I just ate.
My energy levels are horrid and I look bloated. I'm with Melody that I don't do well all carbed out.
One more day of this. Then I can get my photos and get back to normal.
I managed to put away 3/4 of a gallon of milk, a liter of coke, and a large pizza with canadian bacon, jalapenos, green peppers, black olives, onions, and pineapple. I had a nice 8 egg omelet, bacon, and a waffle for breakfast. I nearly have finished off a bag of doritos. I think what just did me in was the 3 ice cream sandwiches I just ate.
haha! I'm very much that way right now. My wife went to the store and decided she wanted ice cream. So she asked me if having this horribly wonderful butterfinger bar ice cream was on my "get fat" diet. I had originally said no. But after that comment, I thought what the hell, let's get it all out of the way.
I love exercise and nutrition stuff. I just finished reading a 372 page book on protein that was packed full of research. Booooring stuff for some people...a breath of fresh air for me to read.
ohmigosh, you are a nutrition weirdo like me!! I missed these old posts and am catching up now. I have researched nutrition for years.
If you love nutrition have you read the BIBLE, Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes? That is the best book on nutrition I have ever read. Another great resource is Dr Michael Eades' blog. He is the author of Protein Power and the guy is just a genius.
What are your thoughts on Super Slow workouts? Are you familiar with those?
Does your book on protein say anything about the effect of protein on hypothyroid patients? I just finished reading Dr Broda Barnes book and he is citing research that those with hypothyroid should limit protein. I thought that was interesting.
ohmigosh, you are a nutrition weirdo like me!! I missed these old posts and am catching up now. I have researched nutrition for years.
If you love nutrition have you read the BIBLE, Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes? That is the best book on nutrition I have ever read. Another great resource is Dr Michael Eades' blog. He is the author of Protein Power and the guy is just a genius.
No I haven't. But I will definately look for it on the used books at Barnesandnoble.com Thanks for the suggestion.
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What are your thoughts on Super Slow workouts? Are you familiar with those?
If you�re referring to super slow in regards to TUT (or time under tension) then I don�t really have a favorable attitude towards the training style. When you start to increase your TUT to such a drastic extent, you�re increasing muscle fatigue on a lower intensity. I think you�re also activating too much in the slow twitch fibers. I�m much more interested in hypertrophy, strength, and power.
If I had a trainee and we�re working on dumbbell pressing, I�d rather use the 30s for 10 reps with 2 or 3 seconds eccentric and 1 or 2 seconds concentric with maybe a 1 second pause rather than 10 seconds down and 10 seconds up and now we�re using 15s. More intensity leads to the potential for muscle growth. More muscle growth is a good thing.
Does your book on protein say anything about the effect of protein on hypothyroid patients? I just finished reading Dr Broda Barnes book and he is citing research that those with hypothyroid should limit protein. I thought that was interesting.
This study cites that soy protein can inhibit the enzyme that deals with the proper functioning of the thyroid. Soy protein can also impair the ability of the body to absorb thyroid medications. The author of the book talks specifically about women and how since they tend to consume larger amounts of soy and tend to suffer more often from low thyroid should try and limit their intake of soy protein.
He does mention that low thyroid can decrease protein synthesis but he has yet to see any true numbers in research as far as a how much of a decrease is happening.
I have a friend reading the book. As soon as I get it back, I�ll look through it again and see if I�m forgetting anything. I don�t think he went into a great detail about hypothyroidism and protein consumption.
Does your book on protein say anything about the effect of protein on hypothyroid patients? I just finished reading Dr Broda Barnes book and he is citing research that those with hypothyroid should limit protein. I thought that was interesting.
This study cites that soy protein can inhibit the enzyme that deals with the proper functioning of the thyroid. Soy protein can also impair the ability of the body to absorb thyroid medications.
This is so true. There are lots of studies out there about how damaging soy protein isolates are. This was the START of my hypothyroidism back in 2005. I can link it back to 2005 when I was drinking a soy protein drink every day. I started feeling cold and tired all the time and gained weight.
Broda Barnes says there is a link between excessive protein [from animal sources] and hypothyroidism. I need to go do some reading pubmed to see what I can find on that.
I wonder what the criteria is for excessive protein according to them? I'm having a very low protein intake day if I'm only getting in 150 grams in a day. I try to get in at least 200 a day. On the couple lifting forums I frequent, most guys and girls are getting 1-1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight and hypothyroidism is pretty rare.
The sources of protein are typically red meat, chicken, sea food, eggs, and milk. So most are coming from animal sources.
I would say that it is possible that if the thyroid issue is pre-existing, then excessive protein might cause aggrivation. I think if doctors woudld look at both T3 and T4,hypothyroidism would decrease drastically.
Ketosis - also related to ketoacidosis, which is what happens to diabetics just before they die. The process the body goes through is the same, one just is more severe. Your body should not stay in constant ketosis. I have a colleague who stayed on the first stage of Atkins for so long she basically has to be carb free for the rest of her life. I mean, she checks cough syrup for carbs. ....:(
I am a diabetic, insulin dependant. Have been for 20+ years and know a little about keto-acidosis.
When the body starts to burn the stored fat is when ketones start to become present in the bloodstream. Diabetics can get the urine test strips that measure this and they have been available at least as long as Ihave been a diabetic and were used as the primary source to test gluclose control way before the new,(well 20 years ago,) blood sugar test meters we have now. The first meter I had 19 years ago cost $400 and was a PITA.
Ketone is a blood acid. and is NOT good for you. If you are incresing it in your body it is toxic. I think dietary control isthe best way to lose weight. The atkins diet is like eating a rock an poisioning your bloodstream. Of couse you lose weight, your body doesn't have any glycogen and is forced to burn the fat stored along with the fat eaten.
I have had high Ketones many times in the last 20 years and acidosis and I'm not dead yet Lol. It was really high when they found out I was diabetic at 27 and yup, I lost a lot of weight then. I was working two jobs and went down to 140 lbs. . I am 5"9" and now am 80-90 pounds overweight with large bone structure at 260 ponds. My ideal weight is 180.. If I wanted to lose weight all I have to do is stop taking insulin and it will melt off at the expense of my kidneys, no thanks. When I follow my own advice, I lose weight simply by noteating garbage and gain strength by putting goodcarbs in me at 2000 cals a day although I can get by with 1500. Yep like starving huh?
A vegitarian diet, with around 6 ounces or lean meat a day, (yes 6, a lumberjack can work with this much protien from meat), is the best way to maintain proper body weight and balance out wiehgt.
I am not sure if its the same but I have used ketone to remove epoxy from metal, is a main ingrediet in the chemicals used to prep cars for painting and it is a main ingredient in nail polish remover. If this is the same chemical then it makes sense you would lose weight, its poisonous.
Just a note diabetics acquire ketones because they don't take enough insulin to deal with the glucose they ingest thier bodys are forced to burn fat at an increased rate, thus damaging the kidneys also, accelerating the need for dialisis in later life. It can ocorr any time someone burns excessive fat for energy and also for people limiting there carbs to much. Most people can do fine even working out with around a 2000 calorie diet. Carbs get a bad rap because people eat to many simple ones, or ones with no nutrition. Its yes, a balancing act.
"Fat burns in the flame of carbohydrates" and a balanced diet with less calories but good calories is the best. . It will automaticaly reduce the fat and make lean muscle just because you cut out fat. The human body requires about as much linoylic acid,(fat), as can be foundin a large bow of oatmeal it make its own good colesterol. Extreme atheletes might need a little more, like equal to a pat of butter a day.
So the best diet is like grandma used to make, lots of veggies , a slice of bread and a small piece of meat, an don't eat to much you''ll spoil your desert.
I would say that it is possible that if the thyroid issue is pre-existing, then excessive protein might cause aggrivation. I think if doctors woudld look at both T3 and T4,hypothyroidism would decrease drastically.
Yes, this is exactly right when you are talking about protein from animal sources. It doesn't CAUSE hypothyroidism but once your thyroid is sluggish it doesn't process protein as it should. Therefore, he says limit it to 80 grams per day.
Not so with soy protein isolates. It has been shown to be a cause of hypo.
I read some of this thread to my H while he was driving home from work the other night since he's in the healthcare field. Also we both love to talk about health & nutrition and, big bonus, it meets his EN for admiration (by letting him explain/teach things to me).
Anyway, he agreed that ketoacidosis IS different than ketosis (insulin) but he said he would be concerned about ketosis b/c of acidity, changing the body's ph balance, potassium levels and the risks that come along with that. He explained in more detail than that but that's all I retained...lol.
You guys sound pretty knowledgeable so I am sure you already know the risks but I just figured I'd mention it just in case.
Ketone is a blood acid. and is NOT good for you. If you are incresing it in your body it is toxic. I think dietary control isthe best way to lose weight. The atkins diet is like eating a rock an poisioning your bloodstream. Of couse you lose weight, your body doesn't have any glycogen and is forced to burn the fat stored along with the fat eaten.
Ketosis is great for you. It simply means that you are burning fat and any endocrinologist will tell you that ketosis is benign and fat burning is good for you. In fact, the body works much more efficiently on ketones than it does glucose metabolism. Some in the medical field have it confused with ketoacidosis but a little research can easily clear that up.
"An inevitable criticism of Atkins's diet has been that ketosis is dangerous and to be avoided at all costs.
When I interviewed ketosis experts, however, they universally sided with Atkins, and suggested that maybe the medical community and the media confuse ketosis with ketoacidosis, a variant of ketosis that occurs in untreated diabetics and can be fatal. ''Doctors are scared of ketosis,'' says Richard Veech, an N.I.H. researcher who studied medicine at Harvard and then got his doctorate at Oxford University with the Nobel Laureate Hans Krebs. ''They're always worried about diabetic ketoacidosis. But ketosis is a normal physiologic state. I would argue it is the normal state of man. It's not normal to have McDonald's and a delicatessen around every corner. It's normal to starve.''
Simply put, ketosis is evolution's answer to the thrifty gene. We may have evolved to efficiently store fat for times of famine, says Veech, but we also evolved ketosis to efficiently live off that fat when necessary. Rather than being poison, which is how the press often refers to ketones, they make the body run more efficiently and provide a backup fuel source for the brain. Veech calls ketones ''magic'' and has shown that both the heart and brain run 25 percent more efficiently on ketones than on blood sugar.
Atkins is the healthiest diet I am aware of and studies demonstrate this. You need the nutrients from meat, eggs, cheese for healthy brain function.
Ketosis IS good for you,[non-diabetics] because it simply means you are burning fat. If you aren't burning fat, then you are STORING FAT, which causes clogged arteries and fat rear ends.
If you are a diabetic, are you familiar with Dr Richard Bernstein? I have been on low carb forums for years and the diabetics who use his low carb diet lose a ton of weight AND they successfully regulate their blood sugar. The guy is like the guru of diabetics in the foodie world.
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THE DIABETES DIET was designed for controlling blood sugars in diabetics, but its health and weight-management benefits apply to everyone. Focusing on protein, fat, and slow-acting carbohydrate, this plan prevents the blood sugar roller-coaster ride caused by a carbohydrate-heavy diet, which can result in obesity, increased blood pressure, and damage to the lining of the blood vessels. A diabetic himself for almost sixty years, Dr. Bernstein meticulously followed the guidelines of the American Diabetes Association, yet his health steadily deteriorated. It wasn't until he devised his own, more effective method for regulating blood sugar that Dr. Bernstein started to enjoy a healthy life.
IAnyway, he agreed that ketoacidosis IS different than ketosis (insulin) but he said he would be concerned about ketosis b/c of acidity, changing the body's ph balance, potassium levels and the risks that come along with that. He explained in more detail than that but that's all I retained...lol.
The potassium levels out in the first 3-4 days, after the initial water loss, but most people never have an issue with it. When you switch from glucose to fat metabolism, this releases a ton of retained water that comes from high carb junk food. This is why when someone starts a low carb diet, the first thing they do is lose 5-10 pounds of water weight they have been carrying. But this levels out as quickly as it starts.
I have been in ketosis for 12 years, for example, and my PH balances are just fine. In my recent blood tests [to check my TSH] it shows "ketones - TRACE" and potassium, serum 4.5 mmol/L [range 3.5 - 5.2]
What is unhealthy is eating a high carb junk food diet that causes the water retention in the first place. The excess insulin, which is terrible for the body, causes the water retention.
I think dietary control is the best way to lose weight. The atkins diet is like eating a rock an poisioning your bloodstream. Of couse you lose weight, your body doesn't have any glycogen and is forced to burn the fat stored along with the fat eaten.
What exactly is dietary control? Portion control? Food pyramid? I work on numbers�I have a BMR, I have a physique goal, this means I have X amount of protein, X amount of fats, and X amount of carbs. I have no idea what dietary control is. If you were to sit a plate in front of me full of food and tell me to utilize dietary control, I�d eat the protein, any non-starchy vegetables, and any berries that were on the plate. And bacon. I would definitely eat the bacon. Because bacon is in its own food category.
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A vegitarian diet, with around 6 ounces or lean meat a day, (yes 6, a lumberjack can work with this much protien from meat), is the best way to maintain proper body weight and balance out wiehgt.
I�ll pretend like you�re kidding. But in case you�re not, you do realize that�s only around 33 grams of protein. That wouldn�t even match up to the RDA set by nutritionists and they�re notoriously low on what they believe protein requirements are. There�s no way I�m going to go and build any muscle at all by only consuming 40 grams of protein and under. And if I�m dieting to lose fat, I�m going to lose A LOT of muscle by only consuming that little protein.
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It can ocorr any time someone burns excessive fat for energy and also for people limiting there carbs to much. Most people can do fine even working out with around a 2000 calorie diet. Carbs get a bad rap because people eat to many simple ones, or ones with no nutrition. Its yes, a balancing act.
Most people are overweight, sedentary, have poor diets, and are lazy and have a whole plethora of health problems because they don't exercise, women don't do weight bearing exercise, and they eat like junk. There is absolutely not physicalogical need for carbohydrates. There are only a few things essential for proper functioning of the body: essential amino acids, minerals, vitamins, and the two essential fatty acids.
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"Fat burns in the flame of carbohydrates" and a balanced diet with less calories but good calories is the best. . It will automaticaly reduce the fat and make lean muscle just because you cut out fat. The human body requires about as much linoylic acid,(fat), as can be foundin a large bow of oatmeal it make its own good colesterol. Extreme atheletes might need a little more, like equal to a pat of butter a day.
Fat is burned by the absence of carbs. I know that quote; I had to hear it in all my nutrition classes. But the truth is, you remove carbs, you burn fat. You consume carbs, it spares the fat.
Here�s the other thing from a general stand point. No one really knows in the public what a balanced diet looks like unless they think the food pyramid is balanced. Then they�re eating way too many carbs. And no one really knows what a good calorie is. I see this all the time because people buy these really crappy snack bars that advertise �only 100 calories� and they think they�re making smart food choices. I think you should go and research what happens when people remove too much fat from their diet. In particular, you should go look at why saturated fat is beneficial to males. So many hormone functions revolve around fat and you start removing fat and you start whacking out your hormone functions. I�d rather have polyunsaturated fat for my cholesterol than oatmeal.
Skip the oatmeal for breakfast: 4 whole eggs scrambled and 4 egg whites scrambled with onion and bell pepper, 1 cup blueberries, and 3 grams of fish oil. Now that�s a good breakfast.
Melody, here is the protein book I was talking about. If you feel like spending some extra cash, it's a great book and I think you'd find it an easy and fun read.
[The atkins diet is like eating a rock an poisioning your bloodstream. Of couse you lose weight, your body doesn't have any glycogen and is forced to burn the fat stored along with the fat eaten.
This is correct. [except the part about poisoning your bloodstream] The way you lose weight is to BURN FAT. Burning fat is the GOAL. GOOD GOAL. If you lose weight and you are not burning fat, then you are burning MUSCLE, which defeats the whole purpose because burning muscle slows down your metabolism and turns you into a couch potato.
Now, what is really "poison" to your bloodstream is a high carb junk food diet that forces your body to produce massive amounts of insulin which keeps blood sugar on a roller coaster.
Melody, here is the protein book I was talking about. If you feel like spending some extra cash, it's a great book and I think you'd find it an easy and fun read.
So the best diet is like grandma used to make, lots of veggies , a slice of bread and a small piece of meat, an don't eat to much you''ll spoil your desert.
This is indeed the best diet advice I have ever heard. I love dessert.
So the best diet is like grandma used to make, lots of veggies , a slice of bread and a small piece of meat, an don't eat to much you''ll spoil your desert.
This is indeed the best diet advice I have ever heard. I love dessert.
lol. I don't know if I'd call this good advice. Not a lot of protein and heavy on the carbs and sugar.
Now if it were my grandmother, it'd typically be a lot of baked chicken, a large salad, and fruit for dessert.
So the best diet is like grandma used to make, lots of veggies , a slice of bread and a small piece of meat, an don't eat to much you''ll spoil your desert.
This is indeed the best diet advice I have ever heard. I love dessert.
A healthy meal would be a LARGE piece of meat, moderate veggies in the low GI range, NO BREAD [it is junk food] and a dessert that consists of a FRESH fruit in the berry group with a nice dollop of fresh whipping cream. [no sugar] Such a high carb meal as described by CP would cause a blood sugar spike, followed by a release of insulin, followed by a blood sugar CRASH.
Sugar and refined flour products are terrible for your body and lead to excess insulin production and uneven blood sugar levels. Excess carbohydrates, even the good ones, lead to obesity and diabetes because the body gets to a point where it wears down from the blood sugar coaster and can no longer produce insulin. This blood sugar roller coaster, at the very least, causes fatigue and depression.
Ever notice how people get SLEEPY after lunch? [I always go HUH? when someone says they eat carbs for energy! yah right, "energy" for a nap] That is because they ate too many carbs and have caused a blood sugar CRASH [after the spike - what goes up, must come down]
A healthier lunch that won't jack with your blood sugar levels and will give you steady energy all afternoon [with no hunger] is a nice chef salad with unprocessed turkey and cheese, no sugar blue cheese or ranch dressing. [kale or romaine lettuce] I have this quite often and it doesn't trash my blood sugar levels and suck my energy dry.
Cutting out junk food made an amazing difference in my energy levels and my mental outlook. This is why I am motivated to stick to this diet. I can't STAND to feel all bloated and fatiqued with brain fog again.
Oh man. You're talking to the wrong person then. I've never really liked chocolate. On the rare occassion I have a candy bar, it's usually an almond joy because of the coconut and almonds and that chocolate is okay. And on the very very rare occassion I have something heavy like a sundae, I might have hot fudge but very little.
Don't know...just don't really care for chocolate. But I can eat a jar of jalapenos a day. I love love love hot food.
Oh man. You're talking to the wrong person then. I've never really liked chocolate. On the rare occassion I have a candy bar, it's usually an almond joy because of the coconut and almonds and that chocolate is okay. And on the very very rare occassion I have something heavy like a sundae, I might have hot fudge but very little.
Don't know...just don't really care for chocolate. But I can eat a jar of jalapenos a day. I love love love hot food.
You are a sick, sick man.
I'm sorry, I cannot fathom a person who doesn't love chocolate.
Don't know...just don't really care for chocolate. But I can eat a jar of jalapenos a day. I love love love hot food.
Originally Posted by writer1
I'm sorry, I cannot fathom a person who doesn't love chocolate.
Must be some new sort of species.
I guess I'm somewhere in the middle.
Just for the two of you: I'm right now staring at a Lindt "Creation 70%" Cherry & Chili chocolate bar. I've also had some exotic hot chili chocolate bars. Definitely not for everybody, but quite the taste sensation that one should try at least once!
Don't know...just don't really care for chocolate. But I can eat a jar of jalapenos a day. I love love love hot food.
Originally Posted by writer1
I'm sorry, I cannot fathom a person who doesn't love chocolate.
Must be some new sort of species.
I guess I'm somewhere in the middle.
Just for the two of you: I'm right now staring at a Lindt "Creation 70%" Cherry & Chili chocolate bar. I've also had some exotic hot chili chocolate bars. Definitely not for everybody, but quite the taste sensation that one should try at least once!
I've never understood the concept behind chili and chocolate, but I've never actually tried one, so I will reserve judgement.
Dark chocolate is the best. The darker the better. In fact, I have a lovely Belgian chocolate bar sitting right next to me, calling my name.
Writer and Melody, those are DJs when you question my psychological disposition based on my not-so-love for chocolate. I really feel like neither of you are validating my feelings and that really affects my love for you two.
Can we all enthusiastically agree that caramel is better than chocolate. Is that a better alternative?
Just for the two of you: I'm right now staring at a Lindt "Creation 70%" Cherry & Chili chocolate bar. I've also had some exotic hot chili chocolate bars. Definitely not for everybody, but quite the taste sensation that one should try at least once!
Hmmmm...this might be worth trying. Thanks for showing this.
Writer and Melody, those are DJs when you question my psychological disposition based on my not-so-love for chocolate. I really feel like neither of you are validating my feelings and that really affects my love for you two.
Can we all enthusiastically agree that caramel is better than chocolate. Is that a better alternative?
No, I absolutely cannot agree that caramel is better than chocolate. NOTHING is better than chocolate.
It is a DJ when you attack the most beautiful, perfect, blissful food God ever created.
It is a DJ when you attack the most beautiful, perfect, blissful food God ever created.
That would be garlic.
Don't get me wrong, I love garlic. But I just can't picture myself curling up on the couch in the evening with a big cold glass of milk and a lovely piece of ... Garlic? I'm not feeling it.
Don't get me wrong, I love garlic. But I just can't picture myself curling up on the couch in the evening with a big cold glass of milk and a lovely piece of ... Garlic? I'm not feeling it.
That's because your taker is talking. Maybe if you were willing to POJA this, we wouldn't be at an impasse. So the only answer is to do nothing. Ha! Now you can't eat chocolate.
Don't get me wrong, I love garlic. But I just can't picture myself curling up on the couch in the evening with a big cold glass of milk and a lovely piece of ... Garlic? I'm not feeling it.
That's because your taker is talking. Maybe if you were willing to POJA this, we wouldn't be at an impasse. So the only answer is to do nothing. Ha! Now you can't eat chocolate.
hahaha! I loves ya gals! This last part of this thread has me cracking up. Speaking of pedicures, my wife has been trying to convince me to go get one.
Somehow I think that's too much. I mean, body hair removal, prob. too much time in front of the mirror grooming, and watching Lifetime is one thing.
But getting a pedicure is going over the line.
I think I'll carry this out till Sunday. Then I can get her to take the pics with me holding the newspaper to show the date. I'm supposed to go over to Jon's house to play berrpong Sat night. You can't play beerpong and be in ketosis at the same time.
If you just wear a cammo outfit you won't get beat up. You will love it!
I think I remember you saying that your husband goes with you too. And he seems like a manly man. I'll give it a shot.
Speaking of camo, I have this neighbor that's always trying to get me to go hunting. I've never been hunting, have no want to go hunting.Heck. I don�t even like fishing. My ideas of having fun outdoors are sports, skiing, bungee jumping, or something with a thrill aspect to it. Anyway, he�s always wearing camo and it makes me laugh because I think he looks so redneck and we live in the city. So he�s trying to get me to go fishing and hunting a couple of weeks ago that fell on a throwing competition so I had a great excuse. But I asked him why in the world would I want to go hunting or fishing.
�So you can learn how.� �But why would I want to learn how?� �So you�ll know how to live off the land.� �Isn�t that what Walmart is for?� �What if we had nuclear fallout and you had to get your own food.� �Well, I have you then.� Then we laughed and high fived. Okay, there was no high fiving. But it was good for a laugh. Then he talked me into fishing and I had a miserable 6 hours catching nothing.
Does hunting for a woman count? That's how I found my wife. Shot her with a good dose of love at first sight. Then I reeled her in and now have her displayed like the trophy wife she is.
Ummm...okay, yeah. I'm gonna go play a couple indoor soccer games now. Y'all be good now.
Y'all know y'all love me. So what a fantastic night.
The Beautiful One made a guest appearance to my soccer games. I wasn't aware that she was going to come as she almost always works on Fridays for 13-14 hours taking care of pregnant women and deliveries. Usually the par for the course is I have the two youngest already in bed so that when she gets home she can eat, relax without the kiddos jumping all over her, and then she pretty quickly passes out after that. She's always been a 12 hour sleeper kinda' girl.
Anyway, before I left, she mentioned I should take a change of clothes in case the guys on the soccer team wanted to stay to Watch another game and have a few beers or go to the pool hall to shoot some rounds and have a couple rounds. None of this strikes me as odd except for the taking a change of clothes. I normally do anyway as playing two 55 minute indoor games leaves ones clothing extremely gross to say the least. Anyway, I thanked her for the suggestion and kissed her on the way out the door. There was some nice little game talk back and forth about scoring.
So I�m walking to field 3 after the first game which was played on field 1. I hear this whistling behind me and some comments/questions bout �hey baby, you got a girl? You lookin to go home with someone tonight.� I turn around and lo� and behold it�s The Beautiful One. And damn if she doesn�t look good struttin in her black and pink low cut, form fitting dress. She knows I absolutely love this color combination when it comes to dresses and lingerie. I asked her if she was ready to go and she smiled and said �no. I came to watch you play. Now go impress me.� Long story short, my team one, I scored a few, got a few fouls for being a bit rough in denying the other team from scoring. She kinda likes the alpha male side sometimes, so I think it was more of a display for her as I played a bit more aggressively then I prob normally would have�at least in not trying to foul.
So after the games I wasn�t quite sure what to expect since she was dressed up. I didn�t know if she just dressed up to dress up for me or what the further intentions were. So she brings me a beer and tells me to get changed and we�re going out dancing and listening to live music.
Nowwww�I love dancing. She does too after she�s had a few drinks in her and her inhibitions are a bit down. So she takes me to this hole in the way that I absolutely love. It�s a blues bar with a large dance floor, cheap drinks, and really awesome live blues music. For her to suggest and instigate going out dancing is rare and very awesome. I asked her at some point what the occasion was and had I forgot something important. She told me nope that she had been working a lot lately and we hadn�t gone out on a date in a bit and hadn�t spent any �marriage builders undivided something attention time together.� I had to laugh at this because she likes marriage builders but sometimes can�t remember the terms. I gave her a huge thanks and she laughed and told me, �just kidding. I really just wanted to have some arm candy to parade around and make the other girls jealous.�
I will say that while we may not be poster children for marriage builders, it certainly has helped quite a bit in my marriage to make it a better marriage. I really like the principles and she does too and she loves it that I�m always interested in making our marriage a better marriage. I think it makes her feel safe and secure.
What a great night. Two observations- I never noticed how large her backseat is. And I have yet to convince her that she snores on occasion even though she�s passed out on the couch next to me lowly snoring.
Is it a DJ to say STEP AWAY FROM THE CRACK PIPE??!!
Is that the same crack pipe that is on the VW VR6 engine?
Sorry but at the same time i was reading this, my freind was on the phone discussing replacing one. I couldn't resist. And yes ,that is what they call it, look it up on the internet, it even looks like one.
As far as all the nutrition stuff. We will probably have to agree to disagree on some points, but there are some points that KT brought up that a want to clarify as well as some problems with ketosis. So here goes with my info and various comments and opinions.
Ok, what i was saying about burning fat in the flame of carbs. Carbs burn clean, fat burns with ketones,or cause ketosis along with other stuff that is stored in fat,taken in with animal fat or we store becuse its in our bodies,(its been discovered years ago that THC from Pot is stored in the fat cells of women and can be passed down to her children, among other things) .
As Mel says, there is some changes that occur with potasium and other stuff that can lead to insulin and sugar spikes. All mixed together it can lead to keto-acid-dosis as the PH level deteriorates. The benifet performance wise of ketosis in the brain is somewhat akin to the benifet of having low blood sugar. When you have low Blood Sugar you get cranky, moody, and even your lips get numb. In that state you will take food away from someone and tell them to take a hike, or in the case of the caveman, kill and eat anything. All in the natural made of survival.
In the Ketosis state it probably is naturally the state of the human brain when it doesn't have a lot of, or to much food to eat. A natural sharpness that keeps us aware, opposed to the groggy effect of eating to much and really, making ourselfs sick from glutony. My problem with what you are saying is that you are saying, (i think), that you want to put yourself in ketosis rather than count your calories ,( now the doctors are counting carbs instead when they should be counting both IMO). My choice is to allways burn clean fuel,take in what is needed for energy output and what you body should have to maintain a desired weight. Let your body balance out the fat content and don't toxify your blood.
This is unnesesary if you eat the right amount of nutritios protien rich vegetables. (carbs, calories, figure out your need based on your vitimen requirements or natural bodies deficiencys, everyones different) and maintain the ,(ill use calories) caloric intake versus the caloric need for energy and physical activity.
Hats off to the diabetic doctor you mentioned who discovered that the US RDA was bogus. Most of my original study and info was from Robert Haas,(not the poet), who after eating the recommended RDA while sports training in colledge discovered he had High blood pressure. He also being a chemist, studied blood chemistry and cured his hypertension with diet and didn't have to take medication. This was in the 70s and his book was "Eat to Win" aimed at heavy sports competion and was a best seller in 83. He went on to bring Martina Naritilova and others to there peak performance when they followed his diet advice and helped others to acheive world records.
Being a diabetic, I can tell you that its a balancing act with insulin. On the days that i would be breaking concrete more calories were nesesary to be takin in than the days i was putting together wiring in a bench job, and yes a little more insulin was requiered. Not as much as was needed when I ate poorly, and by poorly I mean fatty foods. Then the calorie difference along with the toxifiing effect of the "unclean" food source required much more insulin intake than what it equalled in calories. Everything we use for energy comes from blood glucose and it must have insulin to metabolize. The fats we eat that taste so good must be broken down to glusose,(blood sugar), and then turned into our own fat which is stored in our bodies by using insulin also. Along with our own fat is stored the impurities that came from the animal fat. When we burn it, it enters our blood stream. Hence the process of blood chemistry becoming more toxic than ideally it would be in we kept a clean source of fuel for our bodies. The fat we burn is our own fat, not the fat from the animals which our bodies must process first.
So if I ate well and stayed away from large portions of fatty meats it would take less insulin,(balanced agaist the caloric intake of the meat), to keep my sugar levels balanced. Also I would have no energy drops and would generally feel better.
Hence we rob our bodies of energy when we eat alot of animal fat because our intestines are using our blood to process this stuff instead of supplying energy to our muscles and brain, nerve systems, and we feel groggy and doped up.(if we eat well for a month and then have a whopper) we realy will notice this.
Looking at it simply from a natural point of view look at our teeth. We have teeth that resemble more of a horse or a grazing animal than a carniverous one like a dog or cat. exept the two canines. Thats about how the balance of meat to other food sources works out. That of course is my own observation as I look at it as the way we are built. It just seems simple yah?
As far as the question about what is good calories compared to bad? Lets just use white rice compared to Brown. You could use the quote used a lot "thats just empty calories" What my point was in that was this---
Calorie is unit of measure of heat. Its really a misnomer that they use it describe food quality as it relates to energy. It relates to potential energy, but only if the rest of what is required in the burning of the energy is present in the body can it be used properly.
Carbohydrates speak about there chemical construction. There are simple carbs like sugar, and complex ones like beans. They all turn to glucose which in turn into energy, but the rate is the issue for people trying to balance blood sugar and energy. Taking in a complex carb which takes time to break down to sugar and which has vitimens and minerals needed to maintain blood chemistry of course is the wisest choice. because its the way the body works.
Its like a battery, the finest computer is in our brains and its chemistry and electricity. Complex, not simple empty carbohydrates supply us with steady energy. If its clean then we will burn off the fat and replace it with lean muscle which has its own energy stores. If it dirty or empty and to much we will store it as fat and waste energy doing it. Your body knows that fats need to be dealt with first before they damage it. It will take your energy away to do it. It finds it more important than whatever you have planned
It relates to metabolism in that way. Let me explain it this way.
If you took in 2000 calories a day by eating cinibons from the mall,(yum by the way), and that is all you ate every day, you would feel like crap. Your sugar would spike and drop and eventually you wouldn't have any energy. Consequently trying to exercise off one on a bike is drawing from a bankrupt account of empty carbs with none of the other ingredients that make our body function, or boost our metabolism. If you eat good food most ofthe time but half of your calorie intake is junk carbs, even if you count calories, you will have poor energy,(well comparitivly), and most of the vitimins will be used up from the good food maintaining metabolism,(the bodys ability to burn or create heat in the chemistry whithin. for lack of a more complete description) and energy will not be optimum. You must admit its harder and more tiring to burn off realy poor food choices.
Before I forget, Every hormone is created form colestrol. I don't have the book in front of me but i will get it back and comeback and give more detail when I get it. Bassically one hormone is created, then others are created in a branch network. just to add to this surprising fact some else had brought up.hen I get the book back I will publish the tree and confirm if its LDL which is what I suspect.
I am goona break here and go back to see if there are any more things. I will read that book form the diabetic doctor and the sources KT mentioned. While I have an almond joy, hold the chilis
But ketosis is a normal physiologic state. I would argue it is the normal state of man. It's not normal to have McDonald's and a delicatessen around every corner. It's normal to starve.''
I saw this and I can't argue with these doctors said. If ketosis is a natural state then let it reign. But I hope they change it definition to a nessesary requirement soon because right now its mostly considered negativly.
What I really agree with is "Its normal to starve"
Quote:A vegitarian diet, with around 6 ounces or lean meat a day, (yes 6, a lumberjack can work with this much protien from meat), is the best way to maintain proper body weight and balance out wiehgt.
I�ll pretend like you�re kidding. But in case you�re not, you do realize that�s only around 33 grams of protein. That wouldn�t even match up to the RDA set by nutritionists and they�re notoriously low on what they believe protein requirements are. There�s no way I�m going to go and build any muscle at all by only consuming 40 grams of protein and under. And if I�m dieting to lose fat, I�m going to lose A LOT of muscle by only consuming that little protein.
You can get protien from veggies, its a myth that it has to come from meat. I wasn't saying that was the only protien in the meal. sorry if it seemed that way.
Ok, what i was saying about burning fat in the flame of carbs. Carbs burn clean, fat burns with ketones, or cause ketosis. As Mel says, there is some changes that occur with potasium and other stuff that can lead to insulin and sugar spikes.
CP, there is so much wrong here that I don't even know where to start so I decided to start with your initial premise because when your initial premise is wrong, a wrong conclusion will follow.
The first thing wrong is that it is ATKINS that leads to blood sugar spikes. It does not: it ELIMINATES THEM. It is unhealthy high carb diets that lead to blood sugar spikes and excess insulin. In fact, Atkins CURES hypoglycemia and diabetes 11.
It is CARBOHYDRATES that lead to blood sugar sugar spikes, not protein and fat. When one eats carbohydrates, their blood sugar spikes, the pancreas releases insulin for the purpose of lowering the blood sugar, hence the blood sugar CRASH. Atkins avoids this by prescribing only HEALTHY carbs like low GI green veggies and berries.
You have a natural, healthy energy on Atkins because your body is not flooded with insulin and battling the brain fog that comes with tiredness that follows blood sugar roller coasters. Energy levels and mental acuity are greatly enhanced on ketogenic diets because blood sugar is level and steady.
Diabetes, for example is a disease of carbohydrate intolerace. Diabetics have so abused their bodies with carbohydrates that the pancreas no longer produces insulin, hence they become insulin injection dependent in order to control their blood sugar.
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All mixed together it can lead to keto-acid-dosis as the PH level deteriorates.
Again, you are confusing ketoacidosis with ketosis. Ketoacidosis is impossible in insulin producing humans. This is easily verified but uneducated people continue to repeat this nonsense.
Nor do "PH levels deteriorate," that is more nonsense.
m New York Times What if its All Been a Big Fat Lie?
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When I interviewed ketosis experts, however, they universally sided with Atkins, and suggested that maybe the medical community and the media confuse ketosis with ketoacidosis, a variant of ketosis that occurs in untreated diabetics and can be fatal. ''Doctors are scared of ketosis,'' says Richard Veech, an N.I.H. researcher who studied medicine at Harvard and then got his doctorate at Oxford University with the Nobel Laureate Hans Krebs. ''They're always worried about diabetic ketoacidosis. But ketosis is a normal physiologic state. I would argue it is the normal state of man. It's not normal to have McDonald's and a delicatessen around every corner. It's normal to starve.''
Simply put, ketosis is evolution's answer to the thrifty gene. We may have evolved to efficiently store fat for times of famine, says Veech, but we also evolved ketosis to efficiently live off that fat when necessary. Rather than being poison, which is how the press often refers to ketones, they make the body run more efficiently and provide a backup fuel source for the brain. Veech calls ketones ''magic'' and has shown that both the heart and brain run 25 percent more efficiently on ketones than on blood sugar.
Low blood sugar occurs on HIGH CARB diets, CP, not on Atkins. Atkins CURES low blood sugar and hypoglycemia because it regulates your blood sugar. I *HAD* low blood sugar and it was cured by Atkins. So you have this entirely backwards.
Think about your logic, CP. If blood sugar spikes come from excess glycogen and glycogen
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So if I ate well and stayed away from large portions of fatty meats it would take less insulin,(balanced agaist the caloric intake of the meat), to keep my sugar levels balanced. Also I would have no energy drops and would generally feel better.
This makes no sense, CP, because protein and fat are the LEAST LIKELY to cause blood sugar spikes. Only very excessive amounts of protein can do this through a process called gluconeogenesis. The same cannot be said for most carbohydrates. The smallest amount can cause a blood sugar spike which leads to excess insulin. Sorry but that is not healthy.
The healthiest diet, CP, is one that limits carbohydrates to the lowest GI fruits and vegetables, unprocessed meats, cheese, LOTS of eggs, nuts, full fat butter, natural yogurt.
Do yourself a favor, CP, and do some research. Check out the BIBLE on nutrition, Good Calories Bad Calories by Gary Taubes.
Quote:"Fat burns in the flame of carbohydrates" and a balanced diet with less calories but good calories is the best. . It will automaticaly reduce the fat and make lean muscle just because you cut out fat. The human body requires about as much linoylic acid,(fat), as can be foundin a large bow of oatmeal it make its own good colesterol. Extreme atheletes might need a little more, like equal to a pat of butter a day.
Fat is burned by the absence of carbs. I know that quote; I had to hear it in all my nutrition classes. But the truth is, you remove carbs, you burn fat. You consume carbs, it spares the fat.
If you balance what you need for energy with the correct intake of carbs,(i think this should put you in the fat burning ketosis state), then you will have both at a more balanced level. Seems I was wrong about ketosis at modrate levels
But ketosis is a normal physiologic state. I would argue it is the normal state of man. It's not normal to have McDonald's and a delicatessen around every corner. It's normal to starve.''
I saw this and I can't argue with these doctors said. If ketosis is a natural state then let it reign. But I hope they change it definition to a nessesary requirement soon because right now its mostly considered negativly.
It is not considered negative by those who have actually researched the subject. It is usually dieticians and GPs who say this in my experience. Endocrinologists and ketosis experts DON'T say this.
There is so much ignorance in the world of nutrition that it really takes a committment to study to find out the truth. I studied nutrition when a well meaning GP pushed me into full blow hypoglycemia with a dangerous low fat diet. Atkins, thankfully, reversed the damage done by the low fat diet and restored my healthy.
Quote:I think dietary control is the best way to lose weight. The atkins diet is like eating a rock an poisioning your bloodstream. Of couse you lose weight, your body doesn't have any glycogen and is forced to burn the fat stored along with the fat eaten.
What exactly is dietary control? Portion control? Food pyramid? I work on numbers�I have a BMR, I have a physique goal, this means I have X amount of protein, X amount of fats, and X amount of carbs. I have no idea what dietary control is. If you were to sit a plate in front of me full of food and tell me to utilize dietary control, I�d eat the protein, any non-starchy vegetables, and any berries that were on the plate. And bacon. I would definitely eat the bacon. Because bacon is in its own food category.
Dietary control? Counting calories, reading labels,premaking your meals for the week. getting you blood chemstry checked looking for abnomalitys, and making sure I ate foods that made up for them. Cooking without fat, no added salt or sugar. Reading what veggies contained protiens and what lean meat had the aino acids i needed.
Fat is burned by the absence of carbs. I know that quote; I had to hear it in all my nutrition classes. But the truth is, you remove carbs, you burn fat. You consume carbs, it spares the fat.
CP, you do understand that burning fat is the point, right? FAT BURNING = GOOD, storing fat = BAD. Ketosis means you are burning fat and if you are not burning dietary fat and stored body bad, then you are FAT and have high triglycerides.
This is why the Atkins diet is so much healthier on your lipid profile than low fat diets. It outperformed the AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION low fat diet in studies.
The atkins diet is like eating a rock an poisioning your bloodstream. Of couse you lose weight, your body doesn't have any glycogen and is forced to burn the fat stored along with the fat eaten.
CP, what you are saying here is that burning fat is "like eating a rock and poisoning your bloodstream." Do you truly believe it is unhealthy to lose weight when you are overweight because that is what you are saying. When a person loses weight, it has to either come from FAT or from MUSCLE or from body organs.
Which do you think is the healthiest way to lose weight?
I would have to vote for loss of body fat. I lost 45 pounds on Atkins in 1999 - not by counting calories or starving - and kept it off until 10 months ago when I became hypothyroid.
I could not lose weight on a low fat diet, though, and only wrecked my health. The body needs 50% of its calories from good animal fats in order to function properly. What should be limited for good health are carbohydrates.
Well I have to say I will get those books, but I don't agree with your therory about atkins. Sure I see that it will stop sugar spikes, but at the expense of proper nutrition from natural foods.
All I know is what I have experianced as a diabetic who has been insulin dependant for 23 years and has worked more intense labor jobs that most people. And what has worked for me. As a farm bred country boy who ate well most of his young life I will swear that veggies have more nutritional value than meat. unless you are stroring pemmican for the travel over the applachians.
But I will agree to disagree on this, especilly since i haven't done as much research or practiced what i preach as much as you do
but I don't agree with your therory about atkins. Sure I see that it will stop sugar spikes, but at the expense of proper nutrition from natural foods.
What "proper nutrition", and from what "natural foods", does Atkins lack? Could you please give a few specific examples?
Atkins advocates eating low GI vegetables every single day. Do these "natural foods" not provide "proper nutrition"?
CP, do you have juvenile (Type I) diabetes or type II? That makes a difference too. There is truth to the idea that we can "make" ourselves type II diabetic through obesity, eating habits, etc. Type I diabetes is believed to be connected to the immune system, which attacks the eyelets of Langerhans, and there is no way someone can give themselves that type of diabetes or be cured by better eating. When DH was diagnosed in HS, his granny blamed herself for giving him candy when he came to visit her general store -- not true. Although it's amazing how many people still believe that.
Once we get moved, I am going to have to do something. I'll have to find a doctor/psychiatrist who is really up on the research about diets/meds/etc. I really think that my drastic diet and militant overexercising was part of what put me into a manic state four years ago, and I definitely don't want to go there again.
Well I have to say I will get those books, but I don't agree with your therory about atkins. Sure I see that it will stop sugar spikes, but at the expense of proper nutrition from natural foods.
CP, again, you are making assertions that are unfounded and based on a lack of research. Atkins is exclusively natural foods and is the most nutritious diet you can eat.
Vegetables are not healthy for you in excess, especially to a diabetic since they produce blood sugar spikes. What Atkins does is stick to low glycemic, non starchy vegetables, such as broccoli, spinach, certain squashes, kale, etc.
The diet you mentioned, which is very low protein and low fat is not healthy for anyone. The body needs most of its calories from good fats and proteins to maintain essential brain function and keep metabolism healthy and revved up. For example, when you reduce fat intake below 40% you are doing nothing more than signalling your body that it is in starvation. This slows down your metabolism and causes your body to store MORE FAT.
Please, please check into the book I recommended by Dr Bernstein. He dispels many of the popular myths put out by the American Diabetic Association and the nutrition community. I know hundreds of diabetics over the years on my low carb forum who have lost weight and maintained their weight loss while improving their blood sugar levels. They all were able to reduce their insulin instake.
Type I diabetes is believed to be connected to the immune system, which attacks the eyelets of Langerhans, and there is no way someone can give themselves that type of diabetes or be cured by better eating.
Agree, Lou. I hope I didn't give the impression that a low carb diet CURES type 1, because it can't be cured, as we both know. But it does cure TYPE 11. The type 1's who are on the Atkins [or Bernstein] diet report weight loss, better blood sugar control and a drastic reduction in their insulin intake.
If I DID do Atkins, I would have to have a mourning period to grieve the loss of corn, carrots, pasta, ice cream, banana pudding...hmmmm....maybe there's a REASON my pants don't fit!
What do you think of South Beach? My mom likes it because she says it isn't as strict. Did I mention I really like corn....and ice cream???? I had a friend in college who used to put something she liked in her mouth that she liked, and then spit it out so she could have the taste without actually eating it. I don't think I'm that desperate. Blech.
What about that sweet potato casserole with the pecans and marshmallow fluff on top...that doesn't have carbs, does it?
Tee hee hee...I think my sugar is low. DH is funny when his sugar is low, sometimes. He likes to chase me around and pinch me on the butt and stuff....hmmm...may be I should keep his sugar low all the time
What do you think of South Beach? My mom likes it because she says it isn't as strict. Did I mention I really like corn....and ice cream???? I had a friend in college who used to put something she liked in her mouth that she liked, and then spit it out so she could have the taste without actually eating it. I don't think I'm that desperate. Blech.
SB is politically correct Atkins, but it does work! BobPure had lost 30 pounds on it the last I checked.
yummmmmmmmmmmm to sweet taters! On Atkins you don't get the marshmallows, but you can bake them and slather REAL BUTTER on. You are making me hungry!!
I have to admit I didn"t know that atkins suggests those veggies, those are the healthy ones that I pick too, and came from the book I afore mentioned.
The idea about nutrition for me is you only put the amount of food in your body that you need and its food your body can use for how you work, play, or excersize. If you pick well,a specific diet designed for what your body needs based on what it lacks, as in a vitimen deficancy or your metobolic rate or any variable specific to your body, you can eat carbs for energy and not all carbs are evil.
I don't eat white bread or even wheat cuz believe it or not, wheat bread spikes up the sugar more that white. I do when I am following my diet eat whole grain bread with apple butter or no butter at all. You stil have to read the label on those because they contain sugar most of the time. I also eat small meals all day and keep it under 2000 calories. My endocardiologist has me count the carbs, so I use both, because I am so used to calorie measurement.
I mentioned how diet changed my life when I disciplined myself to follow it religiuosly for 3 months when I was 29. I have been type 1 insulin dependant since I was 27. At first I used the "Exchange" system soly as my diet model as I was taught this by the diabetic educator, but when I used a combo of counting calories with Robert Haas diet eliminating all fat, salt, simple sugars and other junk a new world opened for me. I had steady sugar levels, used less insulin, tons of energy and an active mind that didn"t run on adrenilin from coffee. I was a calmer person and thoght clearer and was able to drop the demon cigarrates easier also.
The telltale evidence that Hass diet was benificial to me was when I absolutly HAD to eat something from a BK drive thru one night when I was traveling late and there menu was limited at that hour. It was when they had a salad bar back in the 80s but I couldn't get it at that hour. So I ordered a whopper and ten minutes after I ate it I could literally feel the effect the greasy thing had made on me. It felt like someone had poored 90 weight oil in my head. My thinking was not as aware and clear, It was more evidence gleaned from experiance what happens when I eat fatty foods.
Of course you have to do it all to feel the benifets, as I am sure you have tailored atkins to your specific needs, I did with Haas. But in my case I was cutting out all fat, salt, sugar and stuff like peanut butter and whole milk. I went all the way with the diet and that is why it worked for me the way it did.
By the way, this is a fact that was stated in his book and maybe it explains a lot of issues with whole milk. He said the human body loses it ability to properly digest milk at age 6. This make sense because breast feeding usually is usually stopped by then. So the fat from milk products also is avoided as we drink the best sports drink around, Water. But you can allways use skim milk as a replacment for whole milk.
To follow my type of diet, which worked for many of the atheltes in the professfesion sports world in the 80s , you have to pick the right foods and vegetables and eat in small amounts all day. Also you have to increase your level of exercise to a point that your muscles are burning calories even in your sleep. I had no problem with excersize then as I ran and worked out before I went to work in construction and I have allways been an extremly active person, I was allways working on something, someones car or building an addition to a house.
The diet helped me have better energy and sugar control to handle the crazy shedule I had while making me more relaxed and mentally sharp at the same time,
Its hard to beleive that you can think and perform better without fighting the fog that attacks us from the food we eat. This is the kicker I noticed the most from the diet. When I eliminated all the fat he suggested along with using his recipes body fat was replaced by lean muscle very fast when I just did the same workouts and activity as I did before. I worked hard and counted out 2000 calories a day to eat. It worked for me but as I said, I followed the diet religously.
I accualy should not have attacked the Atkins diet without researching it first. You have brought up some very interesting points about it that I will take into consideration as I meal plan. The people who were on it that I knew talked also about it highly but did not tell me some of the details you told me. They just said the main thing was eat meat and cut out carbs. This went against my experience and maybe that why they lacked energy along with thier own failure to do it correctly. They also did not succeed in losing weight.
My belief that eating the right amount,(calories), of the correct foods, (broccoli as opposed to corn, light italian salad dressing as opposed to Blue cheese), and eating it at the proper times spread out though the day,(Breakfast like a King, Lunch like a Prince, and dinner like a Pauper) is the least of what you could call a fad diet. Of course you take from each of the different studies and diets what works for you.
I just know first hand what fats do to me, and the protien for muscle can be gotten from veggies if you look into it, I will get the book "Eat to Win" back from my daughter and give you some facts based on studies he has done. The bibliogrphy in his book is extentsive as I don't trust one persons opinion ever and insist it be backed up with fact. This guy is coming from the viewpoint that it is chemistry of the blood which holds the key to our general heatlh. I think we can all agree on that.
It should go without saying that everyone should get a screening to determine what deficiencys are present in there unigue phyisiolgy and take a multi vitimen every day along with Omega 3 fish oils, ( Haas was recomending Salmon as one of the meats for this reason way back in 83, he was also very detailed in good colesterol and bad).
What I have a problem with you will never convince me that more meat than complex carbs is good for your body. Maybe you can play with the chemistry to make it work, but to me its not natural. I am for cutting out to many carbs but in the case of getting energy they provide cleaner energy than meat and more quikly. You just don't eat more than you use at the times you use them. because then your sugar will spike.
As far as insulin use with a diabetic, there are fast acting insulins and long acting ones. Years ago I used the only two that were available, Regular insulin which peaked in your body in about two hours and last for four, and NPH insulin which peaked in 6 hours and lasted for 12. The food you eat also has times it delivers sugar to the bloodstream so I had to take insulin at the proper time and eat at the proper time to get them both to deliver the energy when I needed it,(used it), so i wouldn't have spikes up and down. As I said before, I cut down on insulin ussage with this diet and my peaks were well controlled. Of course the physical work changed daily so I would plan my calorie intake accordingly.
Now they have humilin insulin which peaks within 1/2 hour and you take it right before meals and Lantus insulin that lasts 24 hours. I have changed my insulin usage accordingly.
Of the two types of Diabetes there is type 1,insulin dependant or juvenile onset,(because it was noticed in children primarily as a disease) and type 2 diabetetes which comes from abusing thier pancrous with sugar spikes and to much rich food and can be avioded by controling your diet. Many people get type two because they have such poor eating habits most of there life and when they get older they still eat wrong an thier pancreous either fails or is not able to keep up with the habits they had when younger.
The word "diabetes" is from the greek. I think it means "The empty horn" or "sweet urine" They noticed that everything they ate passed though there body and they wasted away, I don't wnat to know how they figured out the urine was sweet, lol , but for those who do not know, diabetics who have poor sugar control have all the water in there body go into there bloodstream to flush out the sugar through their urine, making them dehydrated and pee to much while overworking there kidneys.
Before 1905 there was no treatment for diabetes and people just died from it. Then they found a way to extract insulin from bovines and swine and that saved lives. But of course Doctors wanted thier patients to eat and gain weight so much it was an uncontrolled diet for awhile till more was known
It has become an epidemic in younger people as we allow them to eat at MCDs and watch TV to much, our children are overweight. Type 2 is starting to effect young people now. Its a shame.
There is a surgical nurse who worked out constantly and is the wife of Dr Amen, who talks about diet and the effect of foods we eat on our brain. He tells the story of his very healthy wife wanting to stop taking birth control, (I think its the hormone estrogen) at 35. Like I said she was the picture of health and from the cookbook she co-wrote with him seems to care about nutrition and has a handle on it. Well she went to get her bloodwork done about two months after she stopped the birth control because she was acting a little more aggresive and mood swings were becoming uncomfortable. She was diagnosed with borderline type 1 diabetes. Why would this happen to a healthy woman who never had this problem? It was found that her testoerzone level was the culprit and it had increased after stopping birth control. She started taking a suppiment,( I can't remember what it was but i remember it wasn't estrogen) and it brought her testotrzone down and balanced her out.
Made me think, why did I become a diabetic at 27 anyway? I was allways active, didn't like sweet stuff, didn't party my health away like most younguns. Allways had good strength and weight control without even trying and could eat all I wanted without putting on weight, high metabolism. But yet I became an insulin dependant diabetic? AHAH! It happened two months after I met my late wife, and with the way she looked I probably went way up on my testostrezone. Well its a theory as a guy im comfortable with LOL. but back to the reason I brought this up..
There is so much information that we don't yet know about our bodies that relate to hormones. I have allways heard that insulin is one, but when I was reading about the creation of hormones and looking at the tree design where they come from in Dr Amens book, I didn't see it. It was interesting that hormones are created from fat. I dont remember if its LDL or HDL colesterol but there is one created allways first and the others are created form that one and they go down the line. If one is missing, the next one might not be made. I assume thier is a priorty involved with this involving the wisdom of what is more important according to how our bodies dictate but it is too involved to go into here anyways.
Mel. his information of hyperthyroidism might be something you can benifet from. I will get the book back from my therapist and share what he says with you. He prefers using natural means to treat patients in his practice as a phychiatrist and talks about many misdiganosed or poorly treated root problems and Hyperthyroid was one of them. As you probably know many doctors treat the symptoms and don't find out the root cause that can be so simple sometimes.
I really am enjoying the little convo on nutrition and will get those books and study more research on the subject. I suggest you guys get the books; "Eat to Win" by Robert Haas,(not the poet), which still is in print i think and you can find it on amazon and "Change your brain, Change your Body" by Doctor Daniel Amen". He talks about so many subjects in his book I know this easy read will be a wealth of info for the layman reguarding mental health and how nutrition is so important to our noggins.
I accualy should not have attacked the Atkins diet without researching it first.
No, indeed! Why would you argue that the Atkins method encourages poisoning the body when you actually don't know what it is about?
Originally Posted by ConstantProcess
The people who were on it that I knew talked also about it highly but did not tell me some of the details you told me. They just said the main thing was eat meat and cut out carbs. This went against my experience and maybe that why they lacked energy along with thier own failure to do it correctly. They also did not succeed in losing weight.
What I have a problem with you will never convince me that more meat than complex carbs is good for your body. Maybe you can play with the chemistry to make it work, but to me its not natural. I am for cutting out to many carbs but in the case of getting energy they provide cleaner energy than meat and more quikly. You just don't eat more than you use at the times you use them. because then your sugar will spike.
Who was trying to convince you of this? It appears to me that you are still making confident statements about Atkins without doing the basic reading about it!
Atkins does not say "eat meat". The main energy source is from protein and complex carbs. Protein, as you know, comes from red meat, but also chicken, fish, eggs and shellfish. This might mean that on a typical day, you have eggs for breakfast, a "Chef's salad and berries" for lunch (to quote Mel) and fish or chicken and salad leaves or low GI vegetables for dinner. Is there anything unhealthy about this, in your view?
What I have a problem with you will never convince me that more meat than complex carbs is good for your body. Maybe you can play with the chemistry to make it work, but to me its not natural. I am for cutting out to many carbs but in the case of getting energy they provide cleaner energy than meat and more quikly. You just don't eat more than you use at the times you use them. because then your sugar will spike.
CP, Its apparent to me that you haven't done a lot of research on this and don't understand the effect of various macronutrients on your blood sugar levels, and thusly your health. Your body reacts very differently to a gram of carbohydrate than it does a gram of fat. Every time you eat carbohydrates, your blood sugar spikes, [and then crashes, causing an energy crash] which triggers the need for an insulin injection to control your blood sugar. Not so with fat and protein. Fat and protein keep your blood sugar level.
Diabetics who are on Atkins [or Bernstein] are able to control their blood sugar, lose weight and reduce their insulin injections.
Diabetes is a disease of carbohydrate intolerance and it is alarming that you don't know this. I would implore you to do some more research. Get Dr Bernstein's Diabetes Solution. He has changed the lives of many diabetics with his diet.
Oh dear, well i seem to have goofed agin and put my foot in my mouth. I apologize if stubborness in insisting carbs can be good fuel if used correctly bugs you but I have done it with good sugar control and its waht has worked for me for years.
Nowas far as the DJs to the Atkins plan. I am sorry, I did not get firt hand information and the info I had was wrong. I can't do more than say Im sorry and look at the work while examining its validity. I will probably try some things too. If they work for me, Ill tell evryone so they can benifet.
So hit me with 2x4s and lets get over my stupid statments that I have already said dang it im sory. (do they have an emotiocon for eating crow?) How much protien in a crow?
Would you consider reading the material I suggested?
I am not part of this discussion, so please forgive the intrusion.
But I'd like to comment on some points of nutrition from a strictly "healthy person's" standpoint.
I'm 58. My last physical was this past January. The results of my physical were:
Good cholesterol levels.
No glucose (blood sugar) problems.
Enviable resting heart rate.
Blood pressure better than age-adjusted average.
Normal PSA levels.
Normal testosterone levels.
Better bone and muscular density for my age.
I had a colonoscopy (and endoscopy) two yeas ago, and the gastro-enterologist said I was "so clean" that I need not return for another TEN years (five is average).
In other words, were it not for the recent problem I've had with my back (degenerative disks), I'd be the picture of perfect health.
I'm 5' 9'' (I've shrunk an inch, apparently) and weigh 160 lbs. I still wear the same tuxedo I've owned for nearly 20 years. I have a Brooks Brothers suit I bought in 1985 that still fits.
What I do is quite simple. I don't "diet." I eat sensibly and I exercise.
I avoid fried foods. I limit my fat intake. I will eat carbohydrates as an energy boost prior to running (my primary form of exercise). I try to eat a daily "balance" of meats, vegetables, fruits and nuts. I don't prohibit myself any "luxury" foods, but I don't overindulge, either.
I don't remember the last time I ate at a fast-food restaurant. I don't do Starbucks. I don't smoke, and as any of you who are familiar with my story, I don't drink alcohol. I don't drink colas or soft drinks, either.
I don't use salt when I cook, I favor Splenda over sugar, I love garlic, ginger, hot sauce and scallions. Make a dish containing all four and I'm first in line!
This is not meant to be a brag; I am very fortunate to not have health problems (thyroid, diabetes, Crohn's disease, hypertension, etc.) that force one to look closely at their eating habits. But I am trying to say that eating sensibly and getting regular exercise IS what the experts say it is -- a much better way to healthy living!
I hope I haven't offended anyone. I'll bow out now...
Made me think, why did I become a diabetic at 27 anyway? I was allways active, didn't like sweet stuff, didn't party my health away like most younguns. Allways had good strength and weight control without even trying and could eat all I wanted without putting on weight, high metabolism. But yet I became an insulin dependant diabetic? AHAH! It happened two months after I met my late wife, and with the way she looked I probably went way up on my testostrezone. Well its a theory as a guy im comfortable with LOL.
Don't get too comfortable.
It is actually far more likely that you caught a virus. Your immune system then created antibodies to fight the virus. But in the process, your immune system mistakenly identified the beta cells of the islets of Langerhans as non-self, thus limiting your body's ability to produce insulin.
I saw this happen to my BIL when he got the chicken pox virus in his 20s.
I This is not meant to be a brag; I am very fortunate to not have health problems (thyroid, diabetes, Crohn's disease, hypertension, etc.) that force one to look closely at their eating habits. But I am trying to say that eating sensibly and getting regular exercise IS what the experts say it is -- a much better way to healthy living!.
Fred, I agree that eating sensibly and exercising avoids many of those diseases. However, I did not have thyroid problems until 12 years AFTER I began eating healthy and exercising. My thyroid problems came in SPITE of a healthy diet and exercise. I have been in better health in the past 12 years than in any time in my adult life. Thyroid problems can come from the onset of perimenopause and/or high levels of stress.
marriedforever is another weightlifter like me who is in excellent health but has problems with her thyroid.
That being said, it was poor diet and a lack of exercise that led to my weight problems, hypoglycemia and general poor health in my late 30's. Eating a diet of excessive carbs, trans fats [vegetable oils and margarines] and refined sugar/flour trashed my blood sugar and caused obesity.
When I was 39 years old, I was 45 pounds overweight, hypoglycemic [from a dangerous low fat diet] and had dangerous cholesterol levels. Switching to Atkins in 1998 resulted in a loss of 40 pounds in 4 months, complete elimination of blood sugar problems, and a dramatic improvement in cholesterol levels.
Anyone would benefit from being on the Atkins diet because it is simply good wholesome, unprocessed foods.
I have read articles that have linked weight loss and big increase in exercise as a trigger for hypothyroidism or was it just athletes that have a high occurence - I guess this is the stress actor that can trigger it.
CP, I haven't seen anything in your posts that would pique my interest in reading this material. But thanks for the offer.
Lol im not surprised. well i put it out there for everybody so it wasn't a waste of time. I will read atkins just so i know what its about, but like you I have something that works, and im not gonna fix it.
I think ive said enough so i will take my ball and bat and go home.
I have read articles that have linked weight loss and big increase in exercise as a trigger for hypothyroidism or was it just athletes that have a high occurence - I guess this is the stress actor that can trigger it.
That's interesting. But I think that if that was the cause it would have happened 12 years ago when I lost the weight and started exercising. It didn't even begin until I moved to a new town 3 years ago. My doctor went back over my bloodwork and that is where the increase in my TSH began, culminating in a weight gain 10 months ago.
I have seen some other studies that actually link exercise with BETTER thyroid function, so who knows?
Thanks KT! You would love that book by Gary Taubes. He has a whole chapter on the Inuit Indians and backs up his conclusions with scads of overlooked studies going back 80 years.
It wasn't until the past 30 years that nutrition research went into the realm of nonsensical politically correct non-science. Any researchers who didn't worship at the alter of low fat and "fruits and veggies" was fired, defunded, mocked and ridiculed. That is how we ended up with bullcrap like the "food pyramid" diets.
I will echo what was said about the virus and type 1 diabetes. My DH is actually in a medical book because he went to the doc, was fine, had an appendicitis attack, and was diabetic. His immune system killed his eyelets. They followed his disease for awhile because it was only of the few cases that had been diagnosed so early into the disease. So I guess that makes my DH a science experiment - HA!
I ate peanut butter and crackers for brunch....I refuse to look at the back of the PB jar But I did well last night: baked chicken with lemon juice, pepper, and garlic, green beans, and a very small baked potato. But tonight is spaghetti.....boo hiss. I have to use the ground sirloin before it goes bad.
Thanks KT! You would love that book by Gary Taubes. He has a whole chapter on the Inuit Indians and backs up his conclusions with scads of overlooked studies going back 80 years.
It wasn't until the past 30 years that nutrition research went into the realm of nonsensical politically correct non-science. Any researchers who didn't worship at the alter of low fat and "fruits and veggies" was fired, defunded, mocked and ridiculed. That is how we ended up with bullcrap like the "food pyramid" diets.
I'll go get it from the library this weekend or find it on amazon. Tahnks for the suggestion.
I ate peanut butter and crackers for brunch....I refuse to look at the back of the PB jar But I did well last night: baked chicken with lemon juice, pepper, and garlic, green beans, and a very small baked potato. But tonight is spaghetti.....boo hiss. I have to use the ground sirloin before it goes bad.
Make into large patties...we call 'em Gabby steaks. Cover with garlic salt and pepper. I like to use worchester when needing them. Make a large salad. Then you have vegetables and beef. Done.
Bad oosi! Baked potatoes, even small ones, are very high GI. They cause the sugar crashes that we have been raging against on this thread.
Pasta is high carb, too. Why not make the ground sirloin into burgers, using no bread as a filler or breadcrumbs to coat? You have yours with low GI vegetables and salad leaves, and the non-dieters can have theirs in a bun if they must, but also with the salad leaves.
Make into large patties...we call 'em Gabby steaks. Cover with garlic salt and pepper. I like to use worchester when needing them. Make a large salad. Then you have vegetables and beef. Done.
kt, stop following me around and coming out with my thoughts before I do!
I had chicken instead....my tummy started not liking me, and beef makes it worse. We had burgers with Worcestershire night before last....but I did have bread.
My mom said that had a headache the first week or so that she was on SB. Did anyone else have that when they went low carb? Just wanna make sure I can find the Tylenol if so
My mom said that had a headache the first week or so that she was on SB. Did anyone else have that when they went low carb? Just wanna make sure I can find the Tylenol if so
That is sort of rare but you might get a headache if you are used to eating alot of carbs. It's more common to feel a little weak for a couple of days when your body depletes its glucose stores [carb withdrawal] and switches to fat metabolism. But after that you will feel really energetic.
For me, I felt great immediately because my high carb/low fat diet just trashed my blood sugar. But your mileage may vary!
I don't get a head ache. The only carbs I've had yesterday and today are from cucumber, romaine lettuce, spinach, bell pepper, onion, and a couple tablespoons of salsa. Actually, I had a roma tomato yesterday and 1 today and I had a cup of blueberries after doing a circuit of swimming while wearing a weighted vest and pull ups.
Yesterdays total carbs were under 20 and today I'm sitting at right about 30 grams
I will echo what was said about the virus and type 1 diabetes. My DH is actually in a medical book because he went to the doc, was fine, had an appendicitis attack, and was diabetic. His immune system killed his eyelets. They followed his disease for awhile because it was only of the few cases that had been diagnosed so early into the disease. So I guess that makes my DH a science experiment - HA!
I ate peanut butter and crackers for brunch....I refuse to look at the back of the PB jar But I did well last night: baked chicken with lemon juice, pepper, and garlic, green beans, and a very small baked potato. But tonight is spaghetti.....boo hiss. I have to use the ground sirloin before it goes bad.
Hey you guys, i guess its my fault because of the way i write, but the thing i said about having high levels testostrezone was a joke,ya know a guy joke, like i have a lot of manliness joke. It was based on the story about the doctors wife, which is real.
I decided it would be funny if I said I had to much man-hormone..
I heard back in 1990 about the immune system probably being the culprit in my onset of diabetes. I have accepted that fact a long time ago but thanks for bringing up my joke and correcting me on it. That is funny in itself to me.
It makes me think though, did you even believe I was telling the truth about the diet I was on? In that whole large post there was just once where I gave "my" opinion and that was all that was commented on because the Atkins zealots, (don't be offended, I am a Haas zealot) saw me critisizing the sacred cow,(pun intended).
I did state in that post that I was sorry about my ignorant statements toward atkins.
That I would take a look at his stuff out of the respect I hold to you atkins fans as individuals and the information that you have shared on this thread.
What surprises me is that the main thing I recieved was critsism and referances that I knew nothing so all my info was treated like it was a fabrication.
At least I should have heard, "Thats interesting CP, I see that you are going to look into atkins and what you said and experienced must have some interestig info also, maybe Ill look into it." instead I got
Originally Posted by MelodyLane
Originally Posted by ConstantProcess
Would you consider reading the material I suggested?
CP, I haven't seen anything in your posts that would pique my interest in reading this material. But thanks for the offer.
and coming from you Mel, that is surprising. I would think that you read a lot and information of any type from a reliable source, (thats me), would be something you would look into.
Maybe you don't realize what comes with the fat that you burn and how the body processes it.
First of all, when your body takes in fat it has to digest it. In digestion it takes energy away from your other parts of your body because it is hard to digest than complex carbs. What i look for is clean energy without a lot of intestinal activity stealling away the blood flow from the muscles so I can get the most out of them fast. Its more efficient The key difference here is that by timing your carb intake to the times you will need it and acually counting the calories your useing.
Also I dont know if you realize that insulin is used in all energy tranfer from glucose. When the body gets a chunk of fat from lets say pork,(yeah I know atkins uses different fats than just animal, but bear with me for a minute), it takes the pork fat, pulls out the crap that come with it, (you know animal fat carries allkinds of toxic stuff with it right?), and then turns it into sugar that goes into the bloodstream, which must react with insulin to be stored in our body as our own specific fat uniquly tailored to us.
The statement that says; quote
It is CARBOHYDRATES that lead to blood sugar sugar spikes, not protein and fat. When one eats carbohydrates, their blood sugar spikes, the pancreas releases insulin for the purpose of lowering the blood sugar, hence the blood sugar CRASH. Atkins avoids this by prescribing only HEALTHY carbs like low GI green veggies and berries.
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is both right and wrong. whats right is that to many carbs makes the blood sugar spike, (so you are to control the intake). Whats wrong is that insulin is used constantly by the blood to turn sugar into energy, and in the case of the extra sugar produced when Fat breaks down, they are the same at that level. The carbs are used more efficiently because of thier energy, (glucose) nature and because they have less to filter out that fats. That goes for all fats as far as digestion, fats that are good for us like omega three have more benifets than downsides. But milkfat and butter no so much.
The Haas diet keeps the bloodstream cleaner at the risk that people wont monitor thier diet and calories. It provides fast and efficiet energy to the muscles without the drag of intestinal over activity. Its made for peak physical performance, not to lose weight primarily.
You have some idea that carbs cannot be used without sugar spikes and this is wrong. It just takes more work. Carbs break down to sugar in our bloodstream and the suger is the same as what you get from fat once its digested. Its the unessesary other things that come with fat and the long process time that I am agaist for those reasons of efficientcy.
I prefer high test fuel as opposed to the longer burning stuff. Its cleaner, does just what I want it to, and doesn't rob bloodflow and/or energy from my muscle. It takes more discipline but it works.
I am of the opinion that when my body is burning calories in the digestive system it can't do other vital work. The work thats reqired to burn fats wastes energy that can beused more eficiently other places. In this diet again I state this is for peak performance, not just weight control. I managed to balance blood sugar also. so the talk about carbs causing spikes is crap. You have to control the amount and when you eat them. Its that simple.
I want to look into what atkins says about fats and protiens because if you are having sucess thier might be something to it.
Mel. you are not right in all your statements but you have stated some that I will look into. Im soory that to you my posts have been wasted, I have intended to richen everybodies knowledge not destroy what thay already know. I respect that you have had success with atkins but i worry you are not getting the right nutrition in the best way for your body. When I experienced the Haas diet it became permenatly instilled in me. Its simple really. It just takes discipline and time to get used to the activity that must be done to follow it
This is at the heart of my posts, you are a very special lady to this forum. God knows what we would do if you wern't here to guide us with your specific knowledge and clear headed explainations of how the MB progam and what Dr Harley says about just about everything that comes up. And Im not just blowing smoke.
what i have said here has merit and you should look into it, you will be surprised. What the Atkins diet does is control wiegt and glucose at the expense of peak performance. but that is how i feel and untill I study all he does i cannot totally DJ him.
I hope for your sake you will look into what I talked about
Luri I was n't picking on you , you just had the last quote up about my man-hormone joke, so i picked it. lol
You talked about spaggetti and it made me laugh. You said "yuck" because of the carbs, and in the Haas diet he suggests that spaggeti is fine if you use a non-fat marinara sauce and control the portion. He says its the meat and oils that are the problem.
Spagetti is probably the best example of what is different in these two diets.
To Atkins its the carbs that spike the blood sugar and cause dietary instability.
To Haas the carbs without any fat is clean muscle fuel.
I think its important that Haas diet is for performance and weight control is achieved by calories.
Atkins is wieght control primarily but has other benifets that stabilize other things, ( I have to read about it so i don't say the wrong thing, lol)
They both deserve study and now to do my homework.
what i have said here has merit and you should look into it, you will be surprised. What the Atkins diet does is control wiegt and glucose at the expense of peak performance. but that is how i feel and untill I study all he does i cannot totally DJ him.
is both right and wrong. whats right is that to many carbs makes the blood sugar spike, (so you are to control the intake). Whats wrong is that insulin is used constantly by the blood to turn sugar into energy, and in the case of the extra sugar produced when Fat breaks down, they are the same at that level.
CP, this is completely inaccurate. Fat is not converted to glucose in the body. It is metabolized as FAT. Only carbs and excess [very!] protein are converted to glucose and cause an insulin release. Fat does not have the same effect. That is very basic physiology.
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Glycemic Response to Beef Beef has no significant carb-content, therefore no effect on blood sugar levels.here
You make inaccurate statements above that reflect a lack of understanding about very basic physiology. You don't know the difference between ketosis and ketoacidosis, you don't know that diabetes is a disease of carb intolerance and you don't know how the various macronutrients are converted and how they effect the blood sugar. Do you even know that spaghetti is junk food and the meat and the oil is the only nutritious portion?
More about the glycemic index and its effect on blood sugar:
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Why is the Glycemic Index Important? Your body performs best when your blood sugar is kept relatively constant. If your blood sugar drops too low, you become lethargic and/or experience increased hunger. And if it goes too high, your brain signals your pancreas to secrete more insulin. Insulin brings your blood sugar back down, but primarily by converting the excess sugar to stored fat. Also, the greater the rate of increase in your blood sugar, the more chance that your body will release an excess amount of insulin, and drive your blood sugar back down too low.
Therefore, when you eat foods that cause a large and rapid glycemic response, you may feel an initial elevation in energy and mood as your blood sugar rises, but this is followed by a cycle of increased fat storage, lethargy, and more hunger!
Although increased fat storage may sound bad enough, individuals with diabetes (diabetes mellitus, types 1 and 2) have an even worse problem. Their bodies inability to secrete or process insulin causes their blood sugar to rise too high, leading to a host of additional medical problems.
The theory behind the Glycemic Index is simply to minimize insulin-related problems by identifying and avoiding foods that have the greatest effect on your blood sugar.
If this subject interests you and you want to get a basic understanding, I would refer you to 3 books that would help put all these terms into a working picture:
Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes Diabetes Solution by Dr Richard Bernstein
And if you are going to proffer opinions on the Atkins diet, please read up on it FIRST:
You talked about spaggetti and it made me laugh. You said "yuck" because of the carbs, and in the Haas diet he suggests that spaggeti is fine if you use a non-fat marinara sauce and control the portion. He says its the meat and oils that are the problem.
Spagetti is probably the best example of what is different in these two diets.
To Atkins its the carbs that spike the blood sugar and cause dietary instability.
To Haas the carbs without any fat is clean muscle fuel.
CP, it is the glycemic index that predicts the blood sugar response which triggers insulin release.
Glycemic Response to Beef Beef has no significant carb-content, therefore no effect on blood sugar levels. here
Lasagne, egg, verdi, dry pasta, boiled in unsalted water for 10 min GI index of 52
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How Blood Glucose Works In simple terms, for the sake of our health, blood-glucose levels need to remain within certain levels. The body regulates these blood sugar levels using two mechanisms: hunger and insulin.
When blood-glucose levels fall, the brain causes us to feel hungry. Result? We eat food that is converted into glucose and our blood sugar levels rise. If we don't eat and blood-glucose levels fall too low, we trigger the condition known as hypoglycemia.
When our blood-glucose levels rise, the brain tells our pancreas to release insulin. Result? The insulin helps to disperse the glucose and our blood sugar levels fall. Without insulin to regulate a rise in blood-glucose, the amount of sugar in our bloodstream can become toxic, triggering the condition known as hyperglycemia.
Effect of Carbohydrate Foods on Blood Glucose Levels When carbs are eaten and digested, they are converted to glucose and enter the bloodstream where they raise blood-glucose levels. How fast these carbs raise blood-sugar levels depends on their glycemic index value.
Individual carb-containing foods or (more commonly) carb-containing meals with a high glycemic index value cause a "spike" in blood-glucose levels. Meaning, our blood-sugar rises very fast, triggering an equally rapid response from the pancreatic gland which pumps out enough insulin to deal with the excess blood sugar. Result? Within an hour or so, the large secretion of insulin has dispersed all the excess blood glucose and then some. So we feel hungry again!!
Individual carb-containing foods or carb-containing meals with a low glycemic index value raise blood-glucose levels in a slower more sustained manner. So the pancreas responds by releasing a more moderate amount of insulin. Result? Hunger is kept at bay and we feel satisfied for longer.
This thread has turned interesting pretty quickly. CP, I'm not really sure to start with all those statements. Melody has already covered about the breakdown of lipids (fats). I looked at Haas and here's what Hass says not to eat flour and grains. I'm not sure how you're going to eat noodles if you're avoiding grains, wheat, and flour. There's a whole slew of carbs Haas says to avoid. But according to Haas, you are supposed to eat this: �Foods to eat
You talked about spaggetti and it made me laugh. You said "yuck" because of the carbs, and in the Haas diet he suggests that spaggeti is fine if you use a non-fat marinara sauce and control the portion. He says its the meat and oils that are the problem.
Spaghetti gives us high GI carbs and no valuable nutrition. The "non-fat" part of the marinara sauce emphasises a non-fat diet, when the body needs good fats to thrive. There is also no dietary fibre in this meal.
Spaghetti with non-fat marinara sauce emphasises the exact opposite of what is good for the body. This is not good nutrition!
If instead of the spaghetti there were low-GI vegetables, and if the fats in the sauce came from olive oil and omega 3 the tuna, the fish protein, cooked tomatoes and herbs would make this a meal of high nutritional value.
Spaghetti gives us high GI carbs and no valuable nutrition. The "non-fat" part of the marinara sauce emphasises a non-fat diet, when the body needs good fats to thrive. There is also no dietary fibre in this meal.
Spaghetti with non-fat marinara sauce emphasises the exact opposite of what is good for the body. This is not good nutrition!
I find the word fat and marinara together really weird. Marinara is typically not fatty. But I looked up Haas that keeps getting referred to. He's anti flour, wheat, and grans. How do you have spaghetti hoodles if you are not eating wheat, grains, and flour?
I find the word fat and marinara together really weird. Marinara is typically not fatty. But I looked up Haas that keeps getting referred to. He's anti flour, wheat, and grans. How do you have spaghetti hoodles if you are not eating wheat, grains, and flour?
I found that odd too, kt, based on what ConstantProcess reported about Haas.
Wouldn't a marinara sauce use olive oil at all? And does it contain tuna, which is oily? If not, I stand corrected. We don't tend to cook that precise recipe over here. It's more a case of making a standard tomato sauce with olive oil, onions, garlic and tomatoes, then adding fish or meat as desired.
1 pound beef 1 pound sausgage bacon or pancetta 1/4 cup sugar carrots celery green peppers tomato sauce garlic onion olive oil cilantro,basil, oregano, salt, pepper
I can't put exact amounts, because they do it by pinch and taste. And NONE of the met is cooked and drained. It's just all put in there. It's cooked for hours, and they use fettuccine because the sauce is so thick and meaty. Add real Parmesan cheese, and mmmmmmmmmm........
but we don't do it very often because it takes pretty much all day to do it right.
1 pound beef 1 pound sausgage bacon or pancetta 1/4 cup sugar carrots celery green peppers tomato sauce garlic onion olive oil cilantro,basil, oregano, salt, pepper
I can't put exact amounts, because they do it by pinch and taste. And NONE of the met is cooked and drained. It's just all put in there. It's cooked for hours, and they use fettuccine because the sauce is so thick and meaty. Add real Parmesan cheese, and mmmmmmmmmm........
but we don't do it very often because it takes pretty much all day to do it right.
yum, that sounds awesome! [except the sugar, of course ]
I've been following along here and I got a question.......if I were to give the Atkins a go, where would be the place to start? Meaning which book would be the best to get for someone who would be starting at the beginning???
I've put 15 lb's of the 50 I lost on the "Affair Diet" and need to get that in check.......
There must be one version of Dr Atkins book in print. There might be several commentaries and versions of it, but there must be one that is the basic diet, written by him.
I bought my book in 2003, which was the first year that I found out about the affair. I found the receipt tucked inside the book when I dug it out this June!
That version of his book is called Dr Atkins's NEW diet revolution. It seems that there was an earlier, original book, so indeed there might be a later one than mine.
In 2003, I took a look at the book, decided that I would just cut down on food a bit, and put it away somewhere. In 2005, I discovered that the affair I thought my H had given up on discovery in 2003, had in fact continued seamlessly for two years. I lost about 28lbs on the spot. (Seriously; I could not get off the toilet. My "fight-or-flight" response kicked in really well. Adrenaline really empties you out quickly!)
I lost about 35lbs in 2005 from simply being to sick at heart to eat. I kept most of that off until 2008 when I visited America!
I dug out my Atkins book this summer because I am overweight again and I cannot stick to a low calorie diet. Atkins is brilliant because it is based on normal foods, minus the simple carbs that most of us use to fill up the plate. I'm glad I started in summer, because I am finding it easy to eat chicken, fish, roasted low GI vegetables and salad leaves in the hot weather, and to drink gallons of fizzy water every day. I put ice in my water if I want to pretend I'm having a cocktail.
I've been following along here and I got a question.......if I were to give the Atkins a go, where would be the place to start? Meaning which book would be the best to get for someone who would be starting at the beginning???
I've put 15 lb's of the 50 I lost on the "Affair Diet" and need to get that in check.......
32 lbs in 8 weeks lost on SB diet.l Also a Chol score down to 2.8 from 5.1, BP down to 122/85 from 165/100, complete removal of IBS symptoms, and hypouricaemia symptoms; both a plague upon me since d-day.
Eating good carbs , fats and proteins in proper balance has been my total physical transformation and I only wish I had found this diet years ago.
Well I've decided to read those books before I commented anymore on Dr. Robert Haas vs. Dr Atkins diets. But I had to tell you my recipe for marinara. lol.
(ps.) this is NOT recommended by "rocko" my italian friend. who laughs at it.
1 tbls olive oil. 1 clove garlic finely chopped 28 oz. can tomato puree ground basil to taste.
saute garlic till brown, add tomato puree, heat and season with basil to taste.
kinda boring huh?
I have to read the latest on haas also becuase it seems he is now not suggesting the same as he used to kilted. I was going on what I used in the late 80s and what worked for me then.
I am sure atkins has some information I will be able to use also .
Diabetes, as far as I have learned about it, is the inability of the pancreas to produce insulin at all or the insulin it produces to efectivly integrate with blood glucose to produce energy or be turned to fat in the human body.
The original diabetic diet was high in fats as doctors felt that was what was nesessary for the patients to get and stay healthy.
The term Carbohydrtate as used for a description of what the body cannot tolerate as the description of what diabetes is well, misused.
If it were just the intake of Carbs that caused diabetes, it would have been cured a long time ago.
I will refrain from comparing diets untill i have done all the research you have suggested. I am using what i have experienced, good Sugar control, weight loss, and fat to muscle transformation in my own personal experiance, 20 years ago, as my basis for my claims. Everybody is different, and I am sure there is more to learn.
The major function of insulin is to counter the concerted action of a number of hyperglycemia-generating hormones and to maintain low blood glucose levels.
In addition to its role in regulating glucose metabolism, insulin stimulates lipogenesis, diminishes lipolysis, and increases amino acid transport into cells. Insulin also modulates transcription, altering the cell content of numerous mRNAs. It stimulates growth, DNA synthesis, and cell replication, effects that it holds in common with the insulin-like growth factors (IGFs) and relaxin.
This is what I meant when I said that insulin does more than just regulate blood sugar. There is a more detailed explanation out there, but for the sake of dietary info this should be enogh to show that it is a complex set of functions that it provides. Its primary function is blood glucose control, but beyond that there are other factors that can require the use of insulin. Those that cannot be measured on the blood test meter because they work in different ways.
My problem I have been having is that I have a disease that effects my blood, and so I am allways aware of what makes it harder to keep clean. Because of the complex work the insulin I have to inject has to do in me that goes beyond controling my blood glucose, and because the insulin is not proinsulin like the pancreas naturally secretes, (which become insulin when needed), and becomes active when injected, I want to use it as effecietly as possible when its there.
So now onto the work that is laid out before me on how to keep my blood as clean as I can while looking into what fuels burn as efficiently as possible. I have used Fats and protiens as a way to keep my blood sugar stable many times because they release sugar more slowly but I would rather not because of how much they mess with my energy level. I also make sure I take omega-3 salmon oil and other nessesary colesterol. I am just going to be darn careful I don't eat anything that will make it harder for me to live without the complications of diabetes.
You can be sure that at the ripe old age of 27 when I found out I had this disease I read all that i could out there about it because its an early death sentence if you don't tackle it head on. After I learned a little about the damage it does to the kidneys and the small capillarys which cause nerve damage along with major circulatory problems I developed a diet that could keep up with the lifestyle I had. It was my responsibility and I wanted to live a long life. So I took it seriuously.
The information I got from medical journals, dieticians, other diabetics including doctors and professional sports people, put together with what made sense at the time in modern nutrition worked well for me.
It can allways be improved though, and like one Doctor told me when I became a diabetic, "Your family can benifet in thier diet because all the foods you prepare will be better for them" This is a main goal for me still and my children eat better than I did at thier age. I look forward to reading more and tweaking my diet as I have different needs now at 52.
I like the saying Shirley Mclaine said some years ago.
"You are what you eat, and you become what you think"
Again thank you for the prod in this direction as I work for the best diet possible
Oh guys , I have heard that any sweetners that are more sweet than sugar are triggers that cause you to be more likely to be hungry after you eat them. Its supposed to be true, anyways.
I'm leaner than I've ever been before. I have endured strict dieting with refeeds only once a week. My carb intake is limited to 3/4 cup mixed berries, small amount of milk for scrambled eggs, and simple sugars directly taken during workout.
In the past 4 weeks I have turned to 1-2 a day hill sprint sessions and 2 sessions per day of treadmill or elliptical machine...once being in a fasted state with only BCAAs on my stomach.
I'm hungry; however, I'm past my protein, carb, and fat intake.
Today I began my water loading and increased sodium intake. I�ll be downing 3 gallons of water a day until Saturday early afternoon. At that point all sodium and water will be cut off save the occasional sip. Sun morning before photos, I�ll take some sugar to fill out the muscle glycogen, an hour before I�ll drink vegetable glycerine to draw whatever water is remaining skin.
And after photos�I�m going to Golden Corral and eat till it hurts at the breakfast buffet.
I had a lot of insights along this journey. I�ll share them someday.
Wow...3 gallons of water. Not to give TMI, but I'd need a catheter!
Not to be nosey...but do you have to use that shiny oil stuff and do all those poses? I had a friend in college who did bodybuilding, and we once went to part of a "meet." It was a very interesting experience. I'm not a big fan of speedos.
Okay, time for another slice of cheescake (kidding!!!!)
Wow...3 gallons of water. Not to give TMI, but I'd need a catheter!
I don't go anywhere where a restroom is not close by.
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Not to be nosey...but do you have to use that shiny oil stuff and do all those poses?
lol, no. We took pics at the beginning of this (mainly upper body shots). Then we retake pics on day 60 and submit them. Whomever looks the best from day 1 to day 60 wins.
While I'm not even going to pretend to understand any of this, congratulations on your accomplishments. That must take a lot of self-discipline.
It's been quite a journey. A lot of dedication and a bit of lonliness. My wife has been super supportive of me the entire time.
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I just ate a chicken quesadilla on a sundried tomato tortilla and now I'm going to have a chocolate milkshake for dessert.
Ohhhh...I'll have my fair share of sugar on Sunday. The cravings are hard sometimes. My eyes caught a box of Captain Crunch cereal and it looked so dang delicious. Or when my son was eating an oatmeal creme pie yesterday and I had a thought about running over and stealing it from him.
Hey Kilted grats on your journey, Hope your eyes aren't bigger than your stomach after Sunday, but they probably will be. lol
Can you come on and post about how you feel after you gorge at Golden corral? I would be interested since I have a feeling it will be rather foggy. But hey, you deserve it, you worked hard.
I remember being 8 years old and having one of those "dangly teeth." of course, any other child would have ripped it out, hoping for a half dollar under her pillow. I, however, was averse to pain...especially the searing pain that might result from pulling a tooth when even a thread was still intact. So I ate nothing for 3 days.
Finally, in the wee hours of the morning, I accidentally bit the side of my mouth and viola! The tooth was out. The next day I ate pancakes and bacon and eggs and homemade biscuits and......threw up all over the place.
So be careful, kilted. Don't want that breakfast special coming back to greet ya!
You know, I have always said that I am half-bulimic. I binge....but I don't purge
I've been really reading this thread with interest because I could so do with losing weight and getting more energy.
The stress of teaching is kicking me in the pants and I need my energy. I've always been slim in the middle, but now I'm developing some belly fat. I've always been quite low energy in the day time and everybody considers me absent minded so wondering if Atkins would help.
The healthy lunch Melody Lane mentioned though - salad and turkey - I would be so hungry after that! Teaching makes you ravenous.
The healthy lunch Melody Lane mentioned though - salad and turkey - I would be so hungry after that! Teaching makes you ravenous.
Teaching is the hardest (and most rewarding) thing I have ever done. I agree, makes you incredibly hungry because you burn so much physical energy keeping your class engaged. I need tons of carbs with a long slow burn at lunchtime.
If that makes you put on weight, just adjust your evening meal intake.
I've lost 75 pounds in the last year, and I did it on a low carb diet, at first I found salad and turkey not very filling but after awhile it was, and the health benefits are tremendous, I still have a bit to go, but I am pretty proud of myself.
The stress of teaching is kicking me in the pants and I need my energy. I've always been slim in the middle, but now I'm developing some belly fat. I've always been quite low energy in the day time and everybody considers me absent minded so wondering if Atkins would help.
The healthy lunch Melody Lane mentioned though - salad and turkey - I would be so hungry after that! Teaching makes you ravenous.
If you add yellow cheese and plenty of full fat blue cheese dressing, you will be full all afternoon. That turkey salad is still one of my favorite lunches. If that doesn't fill you up, add cheese and/or peanuts. Here is a good overview of low carb diets: http://authoritynutrition.com/low-carb-diet-meal-plan-and-menu/
The best way to increase your energy is to avoid most carbs and eat lots of fat and protein. If you have too many carbs, your blood sugar will spike and then crash. [same thing if you eat too much protein] That is why people tend to get sleepy in the afternoon after big high carb lunches. You can avoid that energy crash and have even, level energy if you eat mostly fat, moderate protein and limited carbs. The only carbs I would ever have for lunch would be green leafy veggies, tomatoes, onions and cukes. [in small amounts] The bulk of my lunch comes from FAT and then secondly protein.
My energy level is the same at 4pm as it is at 8am. IT just stays the same all day. I do start feeling sleepy around 9pm but I do have high energy all day long. I say this as someone who fought poor energy levels in my 20's. Once I eliminated most carbs, that all changed. Level blood sugar usually means level energy levels.
I've lost 75 pounds in the last year, and I did it on a low carb diet, at first I found salad and turkey not very filling but after awhile it was, and the health benefits are tremendous, I still have a bit to go, but I am pretty proud of myself.
Congrats!! Believe me, that turkey salad was very filling because I poured on full fat, rich blue cheese dressing and yellow cheese. I didn't even think about food until 6-7.
I've always had low energy levels and I'm a bit intrigued.
I checked out the Atkins website which said that because I only want to lose around 20 pounds, I should do the new Atkins 40, which is 40 carbs a day and doesn't really seem to exclude all that much.
The healthy lunch Melody Lane mentioned though - salad and turkey - I would be so hungry after that! Teaching makes you ravenous.
Teaching is the hardest (and most rewarding) thing I have ever done. I agree, makes you incredibly hungry because you burn so much physical energy keeping your class engaged. I need tons of carbs with a long slow burn at lunchtime.
If that makes you put on weight, just adjust your evening meal intake.
I know right!
I've tried this, lw, with some success. It does get me through the afternoon and lighter dinners saw me lose 10 pounds.
Never tackled my low energy though. As a reporter I always blamed this on crazy shifts and erratic meal times and grabbed food - if anything though my lethargy is worse with regular sleep and an organised diet!
Now that weight has nearly all crept back on because I arrive at the weekend exhausted and with no willpower.
Doctors have tested me for anaemia (they always do because I've always been pale) and as usual, it's low but not low enough to explain anything.
I've always had low energy levels and I'm a bit intrigued.
I checked out the Atkins website which said that because I only want to lose around 20 pounds, I should do the new Atkins 40, which is 40 carbs a day and doesn't really seem to exclude all that much.
A bit confusing.
That sounds like the perfect plan for you, however, I would avoid fruit initially. Atkins allows the berry groups, but fruit really messed up my blood sugar, which messed up my energy levels. The KEY to regaining energy is to eat minimal carbs and just stick to the green leafy carbs and make the bulk of your diet fat and protein.
The first 2 weeks, you will shift from glucose metabolism to fat metabolism [your stored body fat] and you will feel really run down when your body is making this shift. After that, you will feel GREAT as long as you stick with it. I wouldn't give into the temptation to add more carbs to alleviate the discomfort because that will just prolong the pain. After a couple of weeks, you will feel fabulous.
I never went through that initially and went from feeling horrible on high carb to feeling great the next day, so your mileage will vary. I suspect your blood sugar levels are very sensitive to carbs like mine were so you might feel great right off the bat.
Do you have some ideas yet about what you want to eat? I can show you what I eat on a typical day and give you some of my favorite low carb recipes.
Yesterday's menu:
Breakfast: 2 string cheese sticks
Lunch: chicken and spinach with parmesan cheese
dinner: turkey, spaghetti squash with oodles of real butter
1 snack of 1oz peanuts and 5-6 pickled okra
I make a sugar free cheese cake that is great for breakfasts or desserts:
Beachgirl's Basic Cheesecake
Ingredients: 32 ounces cream cheese 1 cup Splenda 1 teaspoon Vanilla extract 1 teaspoon lemon juice 4 eggs plus 1 egg yolk 3 tablespoons sour cream
How to Prepare: Bring all cold ingredients to room temperature. With an electric mixer, combine the cream cheese and sugar at slow to medium speed, scraping sides often. Add all other ingredients except eggs . When completely mixed (with no lumps), add the eggs and egg yolk, one at a time, beating very slowly. Over-mixing the batter is a contributing cause of cracked cheesecakes. (The leading cause of cracking is over-cooking, so don�t believe any one who tells you it is normal for a cheesecake to be cracked; it isn't.) Always treat the batter gently.
Pour the mixture into a greased Springform pan. Place the pan on a very large piece of aluminum foil, and fold the foil up around the pan to create a watertight barrier around the cheesecake. Then place the springform pan in an even larger pan and fill the larger pan halfway with water. This is called a water bath. It is a gentler way to cook the cheesecake. Place the entire water bath containing the cheesecake in a 300-degree preheated oven.
Place the entire water bath containing the cheesecake in a 300-degree preheated oven. Cook for 1 hour and reduce heat to 200 degrees for 1 more hour. Turn oven off and leave cheesecake in until the oven is completely cool. The cheesecake can even be left overnight at this point. Cracks can also occur when a cheesecake cools too quickly, so don�t rush this process. Let it set up for several hours in the fridge, preferably overnight.
One of my favorites! This is a great meal, very satisfying and filling.
Italian Sausage Soup [best soup I have ever had in my life!]
2 lb italian sausage 4 cloves garlic, minced 2 large onions, chopped 1 16oz can Italian pear tomatoes 3 1/2 14oz cans of Swansons beef broth 1 1/2 C red wine 1/2 t basil 1/2 t thyme 3 T chopped parsley 1 green pepper chopped 2 med zucchini, sliced
brown sausage on med heat. Add garlic and onions; cook until limp. Stir in and break up tomatoes. Add broth, wine basil thyme, and parsley. Simmer uncovered for 30 minutes. Add vegetable, cover and simmer for 25 minutes.
Serve with FRESH grated parmesan cheese over each serving
I do wonder how much of it will be available in British stores though. I've never heard of spaghetti squash or okra.
I love eggplant parmesan and omelettes, I am a big slow cooker user. I recently made pulled pork in mine so its good to know sugar free bbq sauce exists!
I eat branflakes in the morning: is that a no no?
I am a big coffee head HHH! I've yet to walk past a Starbucks - but why would I need almond milk: isn't ordinary allowed?
You can log and add up your carbs/fat/protein on fitday.com. It is an invaluable resource that makes it so easy to track yourself. I don't track every day, but when I feel something is OFF, I will go back and track everything for a few weeks to double check myself.
nononono, big energy sapper. Stick with cheese, eggs, cheesecake, bacon, sausages.
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I am a big coffee head HHH! I've yet to walk past a Starbucks - but why would I need almond milk: isn't ordinary allowed?
Milk is very high in lactose, which is a sugar. I personally prefer heavy cream. 0.8g per ounce.
Hardly sacrifices!
Originally Posted by MelodyLane
You can log and add up your carbs/fat/protein on fitday.com. It is an invaluable resource that makes it so easy to track yourself. I don't track every day, but when I feel something is OFF, I will go back and track everything for a few weeks to double check myself.
Great tip! The maths part is what puts me off diets.
Great tip! The maths part is what puts me off diets.
Same here. But you just need to use it long enough to get a feel for it. It will be an invaluable tool in tracking yourself and getting into good habits. Once you get a feel for how many carbs is in a cup of spinach, peanuts, etc, you won't have to do that. But I am glad I used that for the first few weeks because it is so easy to lose track of what you are doing.
Do you know that many condiments contain sugar of some type and will wreck your diet? For example ketchup and many salad dressings contain sugar. When i eat out, I always stick to blue cheese or ranch, because they usually don't have sugar. At home, I make my own blue cheese dressing.
If you don't like the math part, there is a website called sparkpeople that will keep track of everything for you, you can even scan food into it, I have found it an invaluable tool for me. (It also had lots of other great stuff about exercise, recipes, everything)
Besides, they don't even have pop in the UK!! They just drink TEA and ALE.
I had no idea you were this old - you were here in WW2? No wonder the Nazis ran away howling all of a sudden.
We do have pop, but here in Liverpool we call it 'lemmo'!
Haven't drank Real Ale since uni - like pouring vats of cellulite into your body. My dad drinks stuff like that with alarming names like 'Bishops finger' and 'old hooky'...!
One of my favorites! This is a great meal, very satisfying and filling.
Italian Sausage Soup [best soup I have ever had in my life!]
2 lb italian sausage 4 cloves garlic, minced 2 large onions, chopped 1 16oz can Italian pear tomatoes 3 1/2 14oz cans of Swansons beef broth 1 1/2 C red wine 1/2 t basil 1/2 t thyme 3 T chopped parsley 1 green pepper chopped 2 med zucchini, sliced
brown sausage on med heat. Add garlic and onions; cook until limp. Stir in and break up tomatoes. Add broth, wine basil thyme, and parsley. Simmer uncovered for 30 minutes. Add vegetable, cover and simmer for 25 minutes.
Serve with FRESH grated parmesan cheese over each serving
I made this tonight for dinner (and lunch for the rest of the week) & it is out of this world. I didn't think there was any soup better than my locarb beef vege soup, but this is phenomenal!!! There is only one drawback...(NOT), I was stuffed after only eating about 3/4 of a bowl.
I made this tonight for dinner (and lunch for the rest of the week) & it is out of this world. I didn't think there was any soup better than my locarb beef vege soup, but this is phenomenal!!! There is only one drawback...(NOT), I was stuffed after only eating about 3/4 of a bowl.
Kudos to MelodyLane for posting this.
Glad you love it as much as I do! I also am so full, I usually can't finish a full bowl.
That sounds like the perfect plan for you, however, I would avoid fruit initially. Atkins allows the berry groups, but fruit really messed up my blood sugar, which messed up my energy levels. The KEY to regaining energy is to eat minimal carbs and just stick to the green leafy carbs and make the bulk of your diet fat and protein.
The first 2 weeks, you will shift from glucose metabolism to fat metabolism [your stored body fat] and you will feel really run down when your body is making this shift. After that, you will feel GREAT as long as you stick with it. I wouldn't give into the temptation to add more carbs to alleviate the discomfort because that will just prolong the pain. After a couple of weeks, you will feel fabulous.
I never went through that initially and went from feeling horrible on high carb to feeling great the next day, so your mileage will vary. I suspect your blood sugar levels are very sensitive to carbs like mine were so you might feel great right off the bat.
Been doing low carb since Saturday and I have felt amazing since the get go. Done more work than I've ever done and my morning drowsiness has disappeared. I've lost 4lb since the weekend. Seems so strange to lose weight while eating cheese and butter!
But I don't get hungry at all. I'm much less hungry than I've ever been.
Did you know Starbucks make these amazing wrap sandwiches from egg crepes? Beautiful.
This has actually been a really really really good thread to read.
Have you tried boiling in a small amount of water chicken breast with onion, garlic and red pepper. Then using a blender to blend everything and make it into a puree? Well, actually, blend the chicken by itself, and the rest as well. Extremely healthy, and can make you loose weight, and is delicious. You can try to add different vegetables you blend in, but always have the red pepper. The secret is in not putting too much water, so it has lots of flavor.
Been doing low carb since Saturday and I have felt amazing since the get go. Done more work than I've ever done and my morning drowsiness has disappeared. I've lost 4lb since the weekend. Seems so strange to lose weight while eating cheese and butter!
But I don't get hungry at all. I'm much less hungry than I've ever been.
Did you know Starbucks make these amazing wrap sandwiches from egg crepes? Beautiful.
Congrats Indie!!
I started Saturday as well and I agree it seems strange adding butter and Bleu Cheese Dressing. I looooove Blue Cheese dressing and had given it up because of the fat & cheese so I'm in heaven now that I can eat it again.
I have also had more energy. The first two nights I woke up with bad stomach pains not from hunger I think it was just the change in diet. It went away with a bottle of Aquafina. I can tell I've lost weight, but not sure how much because I don't have my scales at my house. I'm going to buy some this week.
I also found it easy to change my bad habits, probably because I'm not hungry.The Starbucks wrap sounds delish, I will just have to fight the urge to also order my Chai Tea with it and stick to the Unsweetened Black Tea instead. I also had the spaghetti squash with garlic & butter last night that was wonderful & surprisingly filling. I'm going to add italian sausage to it next time though to add protein.
I'm smoking a turkey breast tomorrow to add to my spinach salads. I would love to see more tried & true recipes posted on here if anyone has them.
Ingredients: 32 ounces cream cheese 1 cup Splenda 1 teaspoon Vanilla extract 1 teaspoon lemon juice 4 eggs plus 1 egg yolk 3 tablespoons sour cream
How to Prepare: Bring all cold ingredients to room temperature. With an electric mixer, combine the cream cheese and sugar at slow to medium speed, scraping sides often. Add all other ingredients except eggs . When completely mixed (with no lumps), add the eggs and egg yolk, one at a time, beating very slowly. Over-mixing the batter is a contributing cause of cracked cheesecakes. (The leading cause of cracking is over-cooking, so don�t believe any one who tells you it is normal for a cheesecake to be cracked; it isn't.) Always treat the batter gently.
Pour the mixture into a greased Springform pan. Place the pan on a very large piece of aluminum foil, and fold the foil up around the pan to create a watertight barrier around the cheesecake. Then place the springform pan in an even larger pan and fill the larger pan halfway with water. This is called a water bath. It is a gentler way to cook the cheesecake. Place the entire water bath containing the cheesecake in a 300-degree preheated oven.
Place the entire water bath containing the cheesecake in a 300-degree preheated oven. Cook for 1 hour and reduce heat to 200 degrees for 1 more hour. Turn oven off and leave cheesecake in until the oven is completely cool. The cheesecake can even be left overnight at this point. Cracks can also occur when a cheesecake cools too quickly, so don�t rush this process. Let it set up for several hours in the fridge, preferably overnight.
12 servings, each with 5 grams of carbs.
This recipe is soooo deserving of a repost. I made this yesterday and it is so good it has to be sinful. I put it in the frig last night and I could hardly wait to taste it this a.m. It is soooo good and soooo filling.
Thanks again MelodyLane for sharing this recipe! I'm definitely passing it along to some other friends that are doing lo/no carb diets.
I actually looked up porridge not long ago, and I think cream of wheat and grits count. I actually don't mind a nice filling cream of wheat dinner now and then, given enough butter and salt.
Every questionable food choice doesn't have to relate to BBQ...unless you're from TexasAlthough I love BBQ and think every food should be grilled, smoked and bathed in BBQ!
Every questionable food choice doesn't have to relate to BBQ...unless you're from TexasAlthough I love BBQ and think every food should be grilled, smoked and bathed in BBQ!
For anyone that's interested, I found a yummy Sugar Free Low Carb Barbecue Sauce recipe online items in red are my alterations to the original recipe:
Ingredients 2 strips of thick bacon, chopped fine (or see note) 1 small onion, minced medium purple onion but I love onion 1 clove garlic, minced or 1/4 teaspoon garlic powder 1 small can (6 oz) tomato paste 1 can (12 oz) diet (sugar-free) cola - Splenda-sweetened preferred 20 oz bottle of Pepsi Max IMO there is no substitute unless it's the original Pepsi then the 0 carb is blown 1/4 cup low carb (sugar-free) catsup, (or see note) I used the vinegar as suggested below and 2 tablespoons of granulated Splenda 3 T mustard I used regular yellow mustard, but next time I'm going to try spicy mustard to see what it tastes like 1 Tablespoon Worcestershire sauce 1 pinch ground cloves didn't use bc I didn't have any Hot sauce to taste just a dash but I like my BBQ sweet instead of hot
Preparation Note 1: If you prefer to leave the bacon out, add 1-3 teaspoons of liquid smoke, to taste, near the end of the cooking. Alternatively, add some smoky flavor using 1 teaspoon of smoked paprika, or chipotle powder to taste.
Note 2: If you can't find low carb catsup, leave it out, but add about a tablespoon of vinegar and some sweetener, to taste.
1) Fry the bacon in a saucepan - a 2 qt pan works well.
2) Add the onion and cook over medium until soft - 3-5 minutes. Add garlic at this point if you're using fresh and stir it for half a minute or so.
3) Add the rest of the ingredients, plus about half a cup of water. I didn't use the water since I used 20 oz of Pepsi Max instead of 12 oz.Stir well. 4) Simmer for 20-30 minutes. It will cook down a bit and flavors will combine. 5) Adjust the seasonings so you have the balance you want - you can add vinegar, artificial sweetner (liquid preferred), or hot sauce. (If it's too hot, adding more sweetener will tone it down.)
The recipe makes approximately 10 servings of 1/4 cup each. Each serving has about 3.5 grams of carbohydrate plus 1 gram of fiber (4.5 grams total carbohydrate).
I was going to ask about drinks....Pepsi max is cool?
I'm no expert in the no/low carb but it should be okay since it has 0 carbs. I have heard that the carbonated drinks expand your stomach and for some people it makes you hungrier. I mostly drink unsweetened tea especially now that Lipton has them in bottles in the convenience stores, even in the southern US states where they typically only drink sweet tea. I will have a Pepsi Max though a few times a week 0 carbs and 0 calories. As close to the real thing that you can get (right now).
I also did something different with ML cheese cake. Mostly because the recipe says it should yield 12 servings. I think I got 8 servings out of my first one. So I made it again and since I'm the only one eating it I put it in a muffin pan. The cooking time is less, it's pre-portioned into 12 servings and each one stays more fresh. Not to mention it will be easy to grab and go when I have to return to school next week. 2 weeks for spring break is a teachers dream. Only 8 more weeks of school, hopefully less for me because I find another job.
I also did something different with ML cheese cake. Mostly because the recipe says it should yield 12 servings. I think I got 8 servings out of my first one. So I made it again and since I'm the only one eating it I put it in a muffin pan. The cooking time is less, it's pre-portioned into 12 servings and each one stays more fresh. Not to mention it will be easy to grab and go when I have to return to school next week. 2 weeks for spring break is a teachers dream. Only 8 more weeks of school, hopefully less for me because I find another job.
How did you do that with the water bath? I usually only get 8 pieces out of my cheesecakes, btw.
For anyone that's interested, I found a yummy Sugar Free Low Carb Barbecue Sauce recipe online items in red are my alterations to the original recipe:
Ingredients 2 strips of thick bacon, chopped fine (or see note) 1 small onion, minced medium purple onion but I love onion 1 clove garlic, minced or 1/4 teaspoon garlic powder 1 small can (6 oz) tomato paste 1 can (12 oz) diet (sugar-free) cola - Splenda-sweetened preferred 20 oz bottle of Pepsi Max IMO there is no substitute unless it's the original Pepsi then the 0 carb is blown 1/4 cup low carb (sugar-free) catsup, (or see note) I used the vinegar as suggested below and 2 tablespoons of granulated Splenda 3 T mustard I used regular yellow mustard, but next time I'm going to try spicy mustard to see what it tastes like 1 Tablespoon Worcestershire sauce 1 pinch ground cloves didn't use bc I didn't have any Hot sauce to taste just a dash but I like my BBQ sweet instead of hot
Preparation Note 1: If you prefer to leave the bacon out, add 1-3 teaspoons of liquid smoke, to taste, near the end of the cooking. Alternatively, add some smoky flavor using 1 teaspoon of smoked paprika, or chipotle powder to taste.
Note 2: If you can't find low carb catsup, leave it out, but add about a tablespoon of vinegar and some sweetener, to taste.
1) Fry the bacon in a saucepan - a 2 qt pan works well.
2) Add the onion and cook over medium until soft - 3-5 minutes. Add garlic at this point if you're using fresh and stir it for half a minute or so.
3) Add the rest of the ingredients, plus about half a cup of water. I didn't use the water since I used 20 oz of Pepsi Max instead of 12 oz.Stir well. 4) Simmer for 20-30 minutes. It will cook down a bit and flavors will combine. 5) Adjust the seasonings so you have the balance you want - you can add vinegar, artificial sweetner (liquid preferred), or hot sauce. (If it's too hot, adding more sweetener will tone it down.)
The recipe makes approximately 10 servings of 1/4 cup each. Each serving has about 3.5 grams of carbohydrate plus 1 gram of fiber (4.5 grams total carbohydrate).
I also did something different with ML cheese cake. Mostly because the recipe says it should yield 12 servings. I think I got 8 servings out of my first one. So I made it again and since I'm the only one eating it I put it in a muffin pan. The cooking time is less, it's pre-portioned into 12 servings and each one stays more fresh. Not to mention it will be easy to grab and go when I have to return to school next week. 2 weeks for spring break is a teachers dream. Only 8 more weeks of school, hopefully less for me because I find another job.
How did you do that with the water bath? I usually only get 8 pieces out of my cheesecakes, btw.
When I bought the muffin pan that bakes 12 muffins the same brand had a lasagna pan & the muffin pan fits in perfectly. Next time I will only cook it for about 35 minutes at each temperature. This time I did 45 minutes on each & it was just a little too much. Still good some of them browned a little on the top. You also don't have to wrap it in foil.
For anyone that's interested, I found a yummy Sugar Free Low Carb Barbecue Sauce recipe online items in red are my alterations to the original recipe:
Ingredients 2 strips of thick bacon, chopped fine (or see note) 1 small onion, minced medium purple onion but I love onion 1 clove garlic, minced or 1/4 teaspoon garlic powder 1 small can (6 oz) tomato paste 1 can (12 oz) diet (sugar-free) cola - Splenda-sweetened preferred 20 oz bottle of Pepsi Max IMO there is no substitute unless it's the original Pepsi then the 0 carb is blown 1/4 cup low carb (sugar-free) catsup, (or see note) I used the vinegar as suggested below and 2 tablespoons of granulated Splenda 3 T mustard I used regular yellow mustard, but next time I'm going to try spicy mustard to see what it tastes like 1 Tablespoon Worcestershire sauce 1 pinch ground cloves didn't use bc I didn't have any Hot sauce to taste just a dash but I like my BBQ sweet instead of hot
Preparation Note 1: If you prefer to leave the bacon out, add 1-3 teaspoons of liquid smoke, to taste, near the end of the cooking. Alternatively, add some smoky flavor using 1 teaspoon of smoked paprika, or chipotle powder to taste.
Note 2: If you can't find low carb catsup, leave it out, but add about a tablespoon of vinegar and some sweetener, to taste.
1) Fry the bacon in a saucepan - a 2 qt pan works well.
2) Add the onion and cook over medium until soft - 3-5 minutes. Add garlic at this point if you're using fresh and stir it for half a minute or so.
3) Add the rest of the ingredients, plus about half a cup of water. I didn't use the water since I used 20 oz of Pepsi Max instead of 12 oz.Stir well. 4) Simmer for 20-30 minutes. It will cook down a bit and flavors will combine. 5) Adjust the seasonings so you have the balance you want - you can add vinegar, artificial sweetner (liquid preferred), or hot sauce. (If it's too hot, adding more sweetener will tone it down.)
The recipe makes approximately 10 servings of 1/4 cup each. Each serving has about 3.5 grams of carbohydrate plus 1 gram of fiber (4.5 grams total carbohydrate).
That looks wonderful!! Thanks for posting it!
It was yummy. I smoked a pork roast & basted with it. So much better than any other BBQ sauce I ever had.
I also did something different with ML cheese cake. Mostly because the recipe says it should yield 12 servings. I think I got 8 servings out of my first one. So I made it again and since I'm the only one eating it I put it in a muffin pan. The cooking time is less, it's pre-portioned into 12 servings and each one stays more fresh. Not to mention it will be easy to grab and go when I have to return to school next week. 2 weeks for spring break is a teachers dream. Only 8 more weeks of school, hopefully less for me because I find another job.
How did you do that with the water bath? I usually only get 8 pieces out of my cheesecakes, btw.
When I bought the muffin pan that bakes 12 muffins the same brand had a lasagna pan & the muffin pan fits in perfectly. Next time I will only cook it for about 35 minutes at each temperature. This time I did 45 minutes on each & it was just a little too much. Still good some of them browned a little on the top. You also don't have to wrap it in foil.
Here is another yummy recipe that I also put a convenience twist on:
Basic Cheese and Onion Quiche
Makes 2 quiches or 24 individual quiches baked in a muffin tin.
5-6 cups shredded muenster and/or colby jack cheese, divided in half 2 tablespoons butter plus more for greasing pans 1 large white onion, finely chopped 12 large eggs, preferably organic or free range eggs 2 cups heavy cream 1 tsp salt 1 tsp ground black pepper 2 tsp dried thyme Directions:
Preheat oven to 350 degrees. 1. In a separate skillet, add the butter and melt over medium-low heat. Add the vegetables and saute until onions are translucent and soft. Remove from heat and cool. 2. Butter I used nonstick spray instead two 10 inch quiche pans or deep pie pans or 12 piece muffin tin. Put 2 cups of shredded cheese in bottom of each buttered pan. Add 1/2 of cooled vegetable mixture to each pan in an even layer over cheese. 3. Crack 12 eggs and pour into a large mixing bowl. Add the cream and spices, and whisk together until well mixed and frothy. Pour 1/2 mixture over each pan of cheese and veggies, then use a fork to gently and evenly distribute cheese and vegetables into egg and cream mixture. I layered from bottom to top: cheese, 1 crumbled slice of bacon, green onion (uncooked), zucchini (sauted), and the last 5 minutes of baking another layer of cheese 4. Slide quiche pans into oven, leaving an inch of space between pans. Bake for about 20-25 minutes or until set and puffy and slightly golden in the center. Baked in the muffin tins baked 12 at a time it took exactly 25 minutes. You can also use a knife to insert into middle of one of the quiches, and if it comes out clean, they are done. 5. Cut each quiche into 6 equal sized servings for a total of 12 servings. Serve immediately, or cool and refrigerate or freeze.These will keep in the freezer for a two weeks, or the refrigerator for a week.I refrigerated 2 in individual baggies and heated 2 at a time for 1 minute in the microwave for a grab'n go easy breakfast on the drive into work.
Nutrition: Serving size = 1/6 of a quiche. 2 individual quiches = 1 serving. BONUS anytime you can have two of anything it seems like a cheat right...not this time!!! I was stuffed and felt the energy boost the entire day. Each serving has 382 calories, 16 grams of protein, 33 grams of fat, 5 grams of carbohydrate and 1 gram of fiber.
Diet sodas are not good for you if you are trying to lose weight. I will have some once in a great while if I am craving something sweet....I try very very hard to avoid junk food and only have as a treat once in a while.
skd, I can share paleo recipes which are also low carb if you'd like. Running out now but I will try to do it later today if I can....
Diet sodas are not good for you if you are trying to lose weight. I will have some once in a great while if I am craving something sweet....I try very very hard to avoid junk food and only have as a treat once in a while.
skd, I can share paleo recipes which are also low carb if you'd like. Running out now but I will try to do it later today if I can....
I agree on the sodas and I would absolutely love recipes when you have time.
Two of the recipes that I have made over and over again are available on the author's website...
Spaghetti Squash Bolognese
Ingredients: 1 spaghetti squash Sea salt & black pepper to taste 2 tablespoons bacon fat or grass-fed butter 1 onion, finely diced 1 carrot, finely diced 1 stalk of celery, finely diced 1 clove of garlic, grated or finely diced 1/2 lb ground veal or beef 1/2 lb ground pork 4 slices bacon, chopped 1/2 cup full-fat coconut milk 3 ounces (1/2 small can) tomato paste 1/2 cup dry white wine (optional, omit for 21DSD � you may replace with beef broth if you feel you need to add some liquid) Sea salt and black pepper to taste
Preparation: Preheat oven to 375F. Slice the spaghetti squash in half lengthwise so that two shallow halves remain. Scoop out the seeds and inner portion of the squash, and then sprinkle with sea salt and black pepper. Place both halves face down on a baking sheet. Roast for 35-45 minutes�until the flesh of the squash becomes translucent in color and the skin begins to soften and easily separate from the �noodles� that make up the inside. Allow the squash to cool enough so that you can handle it, and then scoop the flesh out from the inside of the skin into a large serving bowl. Set aside until the sauce is finished. While the squash bakes: In a large skillet over medium-high heat, melt the bacon fat or butter, and saut�e the onions, carrots, and celery until they become translucent. Add the garlic and cook for an additional minute. Add the ground veal, pork, and bacon, and cook until browned through. Once the meat is done, add the coconut milk, tomato paste, and white wine (optional), and simmer over medium-low heat for 20-30 minutes or until the sauce is well combined and any alcohol is cooked out (if you added it). Add sea salt and black pepper to taste before removing the sauce from the heat. Serve over the roasted spaghetti squash.
Italian Stuffed Peppers
Ingredients
2 bell peppers (I used yellow but any color is fine) 1 Tbsp bacon grease or coconut oil 1/2 large onion, diced 4 cloves garlic, pressed or chopped 4 small tomatoes, diced (or use 1/2c canned diced tomatoes) 1 lb grass-fed ground beef (or lean conventional ground beef / ground turkey) 6 Fresh basil leaves, finely chopped 2c Baby spinach, finely chopped sea salt � to taste black pepper � to taste hot sauce � optional, as garnish extra basil leaves garnish
Preparation
Preheat your oven to 375.
Halve the bell peppers and place them in a roasting dish face-down for about 10-15 minutes. Note: You can skip this step if you want to keep the peppers more firm/raw when you eat them.
While the peppers are pre-cooking, you�ll cook the stuffing on the stove-top. Use a large sautee pan or a large pot. I�d recommend not using cast iron for this recipe since we�re cooking tomatoes and the acid of the tomatoes will react with the cast iron.
Place your bacon grease or coconut oil in the pan and then cook the onions over medium-high heat until they�re slightly browned on the edges and appear cooked through (translucent). You may season them with salt and pepper to taste.
Next add the tomatoes and garlic and allow the ingredients to simmer together for a couple of minutes. Then add the ground beef or turkey, breaking it up and allowing it to cook through completely. If you have grass-fed beef, you may leave it a bit pink.
Once the meat is cooked, taste the mixture to check for seasoning and add more salt and pepper if necessary. Then add the chopped basil and spinach and mix them in just allowing them to wilt.
Remove the peppers from the oven when they�re just a bit softened, then flip them over and spoon in your stuffing mixture. If you would like to eat them at this point, you can go right ahead. Otherwise, place them back into the oven for around 15-20 minutes to allow the flavors to meld even more. I like to make a bunch of these ahead and either freeze them or just refrigerate them to heat up in my toaster oven later.
The other thing that is SUPER easy for low carbers or anyone who is trying to eat more healthy without spending a ton of time in the kitchen is to poach a lot of chicken in the crockpot with some Chef Paul Prudhomme's Meat Magic seasoning and some water.
Then you have perfectly cooked chicken (I hate dry chicken with a passion, lol) ready to pull out of the fridge any time to make a quick salad whenever you need it. I am kind of obsessed with chicken cobb salad and taco salads right now. They are so filling, quick and easy to make, and healthy.
I will definitely get the cookbook tonight. I will try those recipes for sure. I had the spaghetti squash with garlic & butter which was yummy, but I also want some variety.
I also agree about your dry chicken comment.
Thanks for posting this I love to try new meals when I have time.
The other thing that is SUPER easy for low carbers or anyone who is trying to eat more healthy without spending a ton of time in the kitchen is to poach a lot of chicken in the crockpot with some Chef Paul Prudhomme's Meat Magic seasoning and some water.
This will really work well for me.
I can't get spaghetti squash in the UK .
There's just the one fancy pants supermarket which sells it, miles away, and when I went they didn't have any.
[ I will definitely get the cookbook tonight. I will try those recipes for sure. I had the spaghetti squash with garlic & butter which was yummy, but I also want some variety.
What else did you have with it? When I make spaghetti squash, I usually just limit myself to a cup so I don't exceed my carb count and then eat it all week. I love it with a big old ribeye!
[ I will definitely get the cookbook tonight. I will try those recipes for sure. I had the spaghetti squash with garlic & butter which was yummy, but I also want some variety.
What else did you have with it? When I make spaghetti squash, I usually just limit myself to a cup so I don't exceed my carb count and then eat it all week. I love it with a big old ribeye!
I grilled italian sausage sliced it and tossed it in with it. I also ate off of it for a few more meals.
The other thing that is SUPER easy for low carbers or anyone who is trying to eat more healthy without spending a ton of time in the kitchen is to poach a lot of chicken in the crockpot with some Chef Paul Prudhomme's Meat Magic seasoning and some water.
Then you have perfectly cooked chicken (I hate dry chicken with a passion, lol) ready to pull out of the fridge any time to make a quick salad whenever you need it. I am kind of obsessed with chicken cobb salad and taco salads right now. They are so filling, quick and easy to make, and healthy.
I have also found a FABULOUS seasoning that is great on any kind of meat or vege. It's produced in Florida and called Seminole Swamp Seasoning and can be ordered here:
I use it in the crockpot, baking, frying, and especially grilling. Their slogan is, "Food seasoning for anything that flies, walks, swims, crawls, or grows in the ground." LOL ... It is true though.
I've been feeling rubbish for a couple of days and can't tell if it's a cold or the 'low carb flu'. I''ve had an on again/off again headache, chesty cough and dry throat. My energy is so-so.
I really don't want to stop doing low carb - I like not being hungry!
But Easter hols are over and I'm back teaching next week.
I've been feeling rubbish for a couple of days and can't tell if it's a cold or the 'low carb flu'. I''ve had an on again/off again headache, chesty cough and dry throat. My energy is so-so.
How could you feel low with this fantastic summer weather we are having :-)
Zucchini? Seriously? LMAO! I had LITERALLY just taken my Zucchini breads out of the oven. 2 are cranberry with Orange zest, and I also made Zucchini muffins! Full sized and minis, and those are the CHOCO-Zucchini treats! Wait! Before you make a face. You have to TRY them! HEAVENLY! And the only way my spose will eat ANYTHING carrying the name zucchini! lol
Zucchini lasagna. So delish! I can honestly say I think I like this better than any regular lasagna recipe I have made.
I think you were just trying to fool us foreigners by not calling them by their proper name - courgettes! You were trying to keep this recipe secret from us, but we sussed it out!
Zucchini lasagna. So delish! I can honestly say I think I like this better than any regular lasagna recipe I have made.
I think you were just trying to fool us foreigners by not calling them by their proper name - courgettes! You were trying to keep this recipe secret from us, but we sussed it out!
Zucchini lasagna. So delish! I can honestly say I think I like this better than any regular lasagna recipe I have made.
I think you were just trying to fool us foreigners by not calling them by their proper name - courgettes! You were trying to keep this recipe secret from us, but we sussed it out!
Oh my goodness I was trying to do the same yank to brit translation myself earlier for these posts! But I couldn't remember if zucchini was courgette or aubergine.
I'm clearly too tired to think because I know they call aubergine eggplant which I think is by far the better name!
One of our favorite quick and easy summer meals is slices of the outside meaty portions (just toss the pithy seed core) as a crust substitute topped with pizza sauce and toppings. Can be done on the grill or in the oven. You actually want the giant overgrown ones for this. I like it even better than zucchini lasagna.
One of our favorite quick and easy summer meals is slices of the outside meaty portions (just toss the pithy seed core) as a crust substitute topped with pizza sauce and toppings. Can be done on the grill or in the oven. You actually want the giant overgrown ones for this. I like it even better than zucchini lasagna.
Zucchini lasagna. So delish! I can honestly say I think I like this better than any regular lasagna recipe I have made.
I think you were just trying to fool us foreigners by not calling them by their proper name - courgettes! You were trying to keep this recipe secret from us, but we sussed it out!
I figured out the macros/calories per serving for anyone who is following that kind of thing...lemme know and I can post
Please post, I am definitely keeping track of daily intake & portion control.
Sure. Just need to point out that I used reduced fat already shredded mozzarella cheese, (2cups). That was the only deviation from the recipe and this is based on the lasagna being 12 servings.
Zucchini lasagna. So delish! I can honestly say I think I like this better than any regular lasagna recipe I have made.
Oh my gosh, I can't believe how wonderful this lasagna was. I totally agree with you that this is better than any lasagna made with pasta. It is so filling, but not the stuffed feeling I would get from the pasta variety. I added Portobello Mushrooms to it as well and saut�ed them with the onion/garlic. I know what I'm having for lunch tomorrow already. Thanks again for sharing.
Zucchini lasagna. So delish! I can honestly say I think I like this better than any regular lasagna recipe I have made.
Oh my gosh, I can't believe how wonderful this lasagna was. I totally agree with you that this is better than any lasagna made with pasta. It is so filling, but not the stuffed feeling I would get from the pasta variety. I added Portobello Mushrooms to it as well and saut�ed them with the onion/garlic. I know what I'm having for lunch tomorrow already. Thanks again for sharing.
The other low carb thing I like to have on hand during the summer are frozen burgers - I have been getting the turkey Bubba and also the angus - to throw on the grill.
Here is a paleo recipe for a bun but I have also eaten them plain (like a steak).
easy recipe: Sweet Potato Pancakes from Practical Paleo
prep time: 10 minutes cook time: 20 minutes yield: 4-6 pancakes (or more, depending on size) Click here for estimated nutrition facts.
Ingredients coconut oil to pan-fry in (amount will vary) 3 eggs 2 teaspoons coconut flour 1/2 teaspoon cinnamon 1/4 teaspoon ground ginger 1/4 teaspoon sea salt 2 cups shredded sweet potatoes (using a food processor with a shredding disc is ideal, or you can shred them by hand)
Preparation In a medium-sized mixing bowl, beat the eggs with the coconut flour, cinnamon, ground ginger, and sea salt. Mix in the shredded sweet potatoes until well combined.
Add about 1/8 inch of coconut oil to a large cast iron or ceramic nonstick skillet over medium-low heat. Spoon the mixture into the skillet in �cakes� that are 4-6 inches in diameter, and cook approximately 3-4 minutes per side until they hold together, flipping once as you would a regular pancake.
I missed these old posts and am catching up now. I have researched nutrition for years. 
da Mel knows what you did! 
They just drink TEA and ALE. 