Jedi,
Very cool that you are doing this. I think porn is a huge problem with broad ripple effects on society that are largely being ignored because to criticize porn is to be seen as criticizing sex itself, which is a huge misnomer. Porn is an illusion, and the closest proximity it has to reality is in hook-up culture, which itself has very little in common with monogamous sexual relationships.
So much of the discussion on sex these days seems to be focused on sex outside of a committed relationship or sex as a sort of personal hobby rather than part of intimacy. MB is so awesome because it is really the only sexual advice I've seen for married couples that is not contradictory to monogamy or outright dangerous. Modern commentary on pornography is similarly misguided so I think objective research on it is very cool. I wish my wife and I would have found MB years ago, it probably would have saved us a lot of grief with a problem neither of us understood or could find constructive advice on.
MrHappy,
I understand fully the issue in your writings. Half of my original thread on these forums is seeking advice on how to get my H to fill MY #1 need which is SF. That's right, not all men and women are created equal, there are men who do not have a high need for SF, and likewise there are women like myself who do. I can COMPLETELY relate to the biological and mental affect of not having that 'release.' I have also used porn in the past to get this release. And I have been a student of Dr Harley's for enough time to have seen just how destructive this has been to my marriage and many, many others. I have never, not once, seen porn that is constructive or is used in a constructive way.
Dr Harley is one of the few marriage therapists who acknowledges the needs of men (and women) without shame. He acknowledges the SF need and has created a program that supports a marital relationship where this need is met enthusiastically by both partners. Likewise he acknowledges other needs, such as the need for PA, that general society frowns upon. There is no avoidance of those very important needs on this forum. But you will likewise not get agreement with ways to fill those needs that are destructive towards marriages.
Porn can always be avoided. You do not 'work' to stay away from something that is destructive to your marriage, you just do it.
Thank you so much for sharing this, unwritten. I haven't said much on here about this topic because there's been so little dialogue between my WW and I in my situation, but pornography was a huge problem for both of us. I'm going to share my story in hopes that others can relate to it as I have to yours.
My wife and I both had on/off pornography addictions before we were married or even met each other. Started very young, as both of us had unfettered internet access as young teens, back in the 90s when parents I don't think understood this risk very well. I don't think either of us were even looking for porn per se when we found it at first, we were just young and curious about sex and arrived there with the help of search engines.
In my wife's case, I don't feel like I know the whole story. I now tend to suspect that she had past sexual abuse when she was young because her sexual history is so random (I would get trickle truth revelations on additional men she had "been with" before we met in some fashion even years into our marriage...now I even wonder if they were actually affairs that she wasn't being totally honest about), I'm not sure. But I know we both came into our relationship with very high sex drives and struggled mightily with purity while we were dating. She had a lot of sexual partners before me, I didn't have any before her, and so that sort of added a weird dimension to the relationship where she was very pushy at times to get to places with me she had been with other guys, but would other times be very withdrawn and disappointed that I had not held her back more (which she expected me to since I was a Christian, unlike her prior boyfriends) or when I was pushy myself. We did have intercourse a handful of times before we got married, and while we both had a great time, it was something we both felt guilty about and regretted immediately.
I also know the porn use continued on both sides during our dating/engagement and up to the time of the marriage. I did it to get the release you mention, and I know she would do it when she was lonely, maybe for the same reason. She would call or text me upset about it, sort of as a confession. In my case, I just thought "this is bad, but I'll be married soon and I can quit then". I actually had completely quit porn for 3 or 4 years between middle school and college after committing to do so at a youth retreat, and so doing it again didn't seem daunting.
Of course, the disaster was when we got married the sex didn't happen. From the wedding night itself she had pain when we tried to have sex, and so there went her sex drive. She went to doctors, read books, tried diets/supplements, etc. Nothing helped. I read up on massages, foreplay, erogenous zones, etc. Nothing helped. We were trying to tackle the issue from the standpoint of arousal rather than attraction, and I think most of the advice we got was bad. The books she read encouraged her to masturbate in order to "find herself" sexually, something which she had done in the past and now felt guilty about so she wouldn't, and the literature I read was not at all aimed at overcoming a sexual aversion. It was more aimed to encouraging a partner who perhaps wasn't in the mood yet, which didn't speak to my problem. Occasionally (and very randomly) she would be aroused and come onto me very strong like when we were dating, but it was always short lived, maybe for a few days at most. I would try and never could figure out what conditions led to her being that way, and she could never remember much about when we had sex (ever) and seemed to treat all of it like a mystery she couldn't solve and didn't want to talk about.
And this whole time I kept using porn for the release aspect of it. I simply didn't expect my wife to want to take care of my needs and I felt guilty bugging her about it so I would wait for a week or two until it was driving me crazy and then give in just to get rid of the "itch" so to speak, and then the clock would reset itself. Short sighted fixes to a long term problem.
My wife was aware of it and we talked openly about it. She felt guilty about her sexual aversion and didn't understand it, and so she acted like she "understood" my use of porn. She never complained to me about the fact that I viewed porn but knowing all of what she has hid from me now, I wouldn't be surprised if it was something that really bothered her and she was simply scared or unwilling to tell me. She may have used porn herself during this time, it's impossible to know because we never had technical accountability of any sort and I doubt she would have ever told me.
In any case I mention all of this just to illustrate a real life example of how destructive I think porn is to sexual chemistry. I know with my wife sex itself was a topic she always had a tremendous amount of guilt/reluctance discussing or thinking about (even after we were married), and I think a lot of that is because of her history with porn. I know for me it helped me to basically put off solving a huge issue in my own marriage for long enough that it was never resolved and my wife ended up having an affair. And for all I know it may have deeply hurt her during the marriage and perhaps made her feel justified in being unfaithful.
I have resolved to quit it forever going forward which is tough with the needs I have, but it just got to the point where there was nothing I enjoyed about it other than getting the monkey off my back. It wasn't anything like or even close to as enjoyable as sex with my wife and the only reason I used it was because I had mostly given up hope on my wife ever being interested in sex or working with me to solve our sexual problems. I didn't want porn, I desperately wanted to have SF with my wife and for her to enjoy it as well. I've never been one to just keep it around and gawk at it when they're bored like some of my male friends do, it was just a quick fix.
It's not reality, it's not even close, and I worry that young men out there won't "get" that. Everything about it is staged and exaggerated, and if your understanding of sex is based on porn you're not going to be an effective partner sexually because your expectations are going to be so far off. I also think (and I believe Dr. Harley has said this as well) that it alters/damages the natural sexual chemistry in people. And probably the biggest reason I am quitting is reading what other women have written on here about how hurtful it is to them. Whether my wife miraculously decides to reconcile or whether I get remarried, I never want to hurt someone in that way.