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How to Create Your Own Plan to Resolve Conflicts
and Restore Love to Your Marriage


Willard F. Harley, Jr., Ph.D.


Without an effective plan of action, it's unlikely that you will achieve your objectives in life -- and that's particularly true of marital objectives. Yet, marriage is an area of our lives where effective planning is often regarded as unnecessary. Couples usually believe that they should be guided by their instincts whenever they have a conflict.
Regarding emotional needs in a marriage, most spouses believe that couples should do for each other what they "feel" like doing. If there is no interest in meeting a particular need, it should simply go unmet. The idea that a spouses should create a plan to become experts at meeting each other's most important emotional needs, whether or not there is "interest" in meeting those needs, seems to go against marital intuition.

Intuition also prevails in most couples' efforts to resolve conflicts. Instead of resolving their marital conflicts by creating and implementing a well conceived plan, they revert to their primitive instincts -- demands, disrespect and anger -- to try to resolve their conflicts. These instincts not only fail to provide them with long-term solutions, but they also destroy the feeling of love. Because couples don't know any better, they keep using demands, disrespect and anger to try to resolve their marital conflicts until their love for each other turns into hate.

The purpose of the Marriage Buildersᆴ web site is to help you to create and implement a plan to resolve your conflicts in a way that will restore and sustain your love for each other. While many of my suggestions run counter to intuition, hundreds of thousands of couples have found that they work if they are willing to create a plan using my Basic Concepts. My Basic Concepts introduce you to my perspective on marriage, and how I go about creating plans that help make marriages successful. Then, my Q&A Columns give you examples of how to use my Basic Concepts to help create plans that solve a variety of marital problems. I also offer a Forum where you can discuss your situation with others who are creating plans that resolve conflicts and restore love to their marriages. Finally, if all else fails, I provide telephone counseling to those who feel they need special help with the creation and implementation of a plan to overcome their marital problems.

Ultimately, I hope you will create a plan to resolve your conflicts and restore love to your marriage. And then, of course, I hope you follow that plan so that you will actually experience the marriage I believe all couples should have. Without such a plan and its implementation, it's unlikely that you will achieve these important objectives. Insight into your problem is an important beginning, and my Basic Concepts will help give you that insight. But without action, insight is useless.

Restoring Love versus Resolving Conflicts

Before I discuss with you some of the details of a well-conceived plan to resolve conflicts and restore your love for each other, I will focus attention on the highest priority of such a plan -- restoring love.

I know of no marriage, including my own, that is free of conflict. That's because every couple is made up of two distinctly different people, with different experiences, interests and emotional predispositions. Regardless of the compatibility a couple creates in marriage, a husband and wife will always have somewhat different perspectives, and those differences will create conflict. Conflicts over money, careers, in-laws, sex, child rearing, and a host of other common marital issues are part of the experience of being married.

Some couples feel that if they could only rid themselves of certain conflicts, they would be happy together. But I've discovered that marriages can be terrific in spite of conflicts, even when some of them are never fully resolved. The difference between couples who live in marital bliss and those who regret ever having met each other is not found in whether or not they are free of conflict -- it's found in whether or not they are in love with each other.

From my years of experience trying to save marriages, I have come to the conclusion that the goal of restoring and sustaining love in marriage is much more important than the goal of resolving conflicts. Ultimately, of course, both goals are important, but by making love my highest priority, I found myself rejecting many popular approaches to conflict resolution because they tend to sacrifice a couple's love for each other. The way I now encourage couples to resolve their conflicts is to only use procedures that will also build their love.

Most marriage counselors are so focused on conflict resolution that they forget about building a couple's love for each other. But it's easy to understand why they tend to ignore the feelings of love -- the couples they see usually want help in resolving their conflicts, not restoring their love. It's the couples themselves that usually fail to see the importance of being in love. And when the loss of love really is the issue, couples rarely believe it can be restored, at least to the level it once was. They think that if their conflicts are resolved, and they are given the freedom to create independent lifestyles, they will be able to survive their marriage. They feel that all marriages eventually lose passion, but when that happens a husband and wife can still remain married if they are "mature" enough.

If you have seen a marriage counselor, and have been disappointed with the results, it's probably because you've spent all of your time trying to resolve your marital conflicts instead of restoring your love for each other. Even if you made progress in resolving some of your conflicts, you still may have been unhappy with your marriage. I receive letters regularly from those who find that they want to divorce in spite of a peaceful relationship. Even when a husband and wife are each other's best friends, they often divorce when the passion is gone.

That's one of the most confusing aspects of popular approaches to martial therapy, and it should raise a red flag to those who use them. When the goals of conflict resolution are achieved in counseling, why does the couple often divorce anyway? There seems to be something more to marriage than just resolving conflicts successfully.

Don't get me wrong, though. I believe that conflict resolution is important in marriage, and I go to a great deal of trouble to help couples resolve their conflicts. But couples who are happily married do more than resolve their conflicts, they also preserve their feeling of love for each other. And without being in love, marriage just doesn't seem right.

When a couple asks me to help them with their marriage, unresolved conflicts usually abound. And they present their marital problems to me as a litany of failures to resolve those conflicts. But as I probe the depth of their despair, conflicts are not usually the greatest source of their hopelessness. One spouse, and sometimes both of them, tell me that it is their lost feeling of love and passion for the other that bothers them the most. They don't believe that feeling will ever return, and without that feeling, they do not want to be married to their spouse. Their greatest feeling of hopelessness is about their lost love, not their inability to resolve conflicts.

That's why I learned early in my experience as a marriage counselor that restoring the feeling of love was far more important than resolving marital conflicts. In order to be completely happy with their marriage, the couple must find the love for each other that they lost. Since the approaches to conflict resolution I was taught actually caused a loss of love, I had to reject most of the training I had received as a marriage counselor, and create an entirely new system, one that would resolve conflicts and restore love at the same time.

The core concept of my new system was the "Love Bank." It helped me show the couples I counseled how their love for each other was created and destroyed. This is how I explained this important concept to these couples:

Each of us has a Love Bank and everyone we know has a separate account. It's the way our emotions keep track of the way people treat us. When treated well by someone, and we associate that person with good feelings, love units are deposited into his or her account in our Love Bank. But when treated badly by that person, love units are withdrawn from the Love Bank. When a person's balance is high, we like that person. But if a person withdraws more love units than he or she deposits, and the balance is in the red, we dislike that person.
The feeling of love is experienced when the Love Bank balance reaches a certain threshold. When enough love units are deposited to break through that threshold (I call it the "romantic love" threshold), we are in love with whoever holds that account in our Love Bank. But when the balance falls below that threshold, the feeling of being "in love" is lost. And when the Love Bank withdrawals exceed deposits enough to break through a certain negative threshold, we hate the person holding that account.

Our emotional reactions to people -- liking and disliking, loving and hating -- are not determined by will, they are determined by Love Bank balances. And Love Bank balances are determined by the way people treat us.

Once you understand the role of the Love Bank in determining your feelings for each other in marriage, you become aware of the fact that your spouse's feelings for you are determined by how you have been treating your spouse. If you want your spouse to be in love with you, you must deposit enough love units to break through the romantic love threshold. If your spouse wants you to be in love with him or her, your spouse must deposit enough love units into your Love Bank.

Almost everything that you and your spouse do is either depositing or withdrawing love units. Since most of what you do is by habit, repeated again and again, your habits either deposit love units continually, or they withdraw them continually. That's why your habits play such a crucial role in the creation or destruction of your love for each other.

So the feeling of love can last a lifetime for a couple if they apply two lessons: 1) avoid withdrawing love units and 2) keep depositing them. It's just that simple. All it takes is maintaining Love Bank balances above the romantic love threshold.

Creating a Plan to Restore Love and Resolve Conflicts

Throughout my professional career, I have helped couples create a plan to build Love Bank balances. After helping literally thousands of couples prepare and execute these plans, I got around to writing books on the subject. That way, couples could restore their love for each other by simply following my advice in a book, rather than consulting with me personally. The books I wrote help couples create a plan that apply these two lessons that I just described to their marriages.

I wrote Love Busters to help couples with the first lesson: avoiding the withdrawal of love units by learning to identify and eliminate destructive behavior that I call "Love Busters." I wrote His Needs, Her Needs to help couples with the second lesson: depositing love units by identifying and learning the best ways to make each other happy -- meeting each others' most important emotional needs.

These two books, Love Busters and His Needs, Her Needs, contain contracts, questionnaires, inventories, worksheets and other forms that couples use to create a plan of action. But they're reduced in size and often incomplete in these books because of space limitations.

In response to many requests for the full-sized forms, I compiled a workbook, Five Steps to Romantic Love. It contains not only the forms described in my two books, but also many others that I have used to help couples with their plan to create and sustain romantic love.

I have grouped these forms into a five-step sequence that can guide your own personal plan to restore love to your marriage. They will also help you resolve conflicts, but you will learn to resolve them in a way that sustains your love.

The First Step in building romantic love is to make a commitment to do just that. Problems are not solved by chance: Chance creates problems. So if you want to keep love in your marriage, you must commit yourselves to that purpose. I designed the form, Agreement to Overcome Love Busters and Meet the Most Important Emotional Needs, to spell out very clearly what it takes to guarantee romantic love. In essence, it commits you to follow the remaining four steps.

The Second Step is to identify habits that threaten to destroy romantic love. As I explain in the first chapter of Love Busters, it's pointless to build romantic love if you persist in habits that undermine your effort. I designed the Analysis of Love Busters Questionnaire to help you identify these destructive habits. When you and your spouse have accurately completed this questionnaire, you'll know how you've been destroying romantic love.

The Third Step is to create and execute a plan that eliminates the Love Busters you identified in the second step. Chapters two through six in Love Busters introduce and describe each of the five Love Busters. They also suggest methods to help you eliminate them. Most of the forms in this section of the workbook are described in these chapters and are designed to help you overcome Love Busters systematically.

There are three forms to help you overcome each Love Buster: First there is an inventory to identify the bad habits. Then there is a form to document the strategy you've chosen to eliminate them. Finally, a worksheet helps you document progress toward your goal.

The most common Love Busters -- anger, disrespect and demands -- are the way we instinctively go about trying to resolve marital conflicts. But these approaches to problem solving are not only ineffective, they also destroy the feeling of love. In the second half of Love Busters, I show how conflicts should be resolved, by finding a solution that takes the interests and feelings of both spouses into account simultaneously. Once you learn to abandon anger, disrespect and demands, and search for solutions that take the feelings of both of you into account, you will find conflicts much easier to resolve. But even while they are unresolved, you will remain in love with each other until you find a solution.

When you've conquered Love Busters, you're ready for the Fourth Step to romantic love: Identifying the most important emotional needs.

The way to deposit the most love units is to meet the most important emotional needs. It's when these needs are met that love units cascade into the Love Bank and romantic love blossoms. The Analysis of Emotional Needs Questionnaire, found in His Needs, Her Needs, is printed in a larger, more convenient form in the workbook. It's designed to help you identify and communicate your most important emotional needs to each other.

The Fifth Step to romantic love is learning to meet the needs you identified in step four. There's a chapter in His Needs, Her Needs that describes each of the ten most common emotional needs (chapters 3-12). Methods I've used to help couples learn to meet these needs are also included in these chapters. The forms I use to help couples achieve these goals are printed in the workbook.

These forms are generally arranged in a logical sequence. First, behavior likely to meet each need is identified in an inventory. Second, a strategy to learn to meet the need is planned and documented. Third, progress toward the achievement of the goal is recorded on a worksheet.

The forms in Five Steps to Romantic Love will help you 1) make a commitment to create and sustain romantic love, 2) identify habits that destroy romantic love, 3) overcome those Love Busters, 4) identify the most important emotional needs and 5) learn to meet them. They are designed to turn insight into action. Insight is good place to begin, but it's what you do with that insight that ultimately solves your problem.

If you can complete these five steps to romantic love, you will have created and implemented your own plan to restore love to your marriage. These forms found in the workbook will help you understand what you need to do to create a fulfilling marriage. All you need is the motivation to carry out your own plan.

But if you cannot follow your own program as evidenced by your failure to complete assignments, then I suggest that you find a therapist who can help motivate you to achieve these goals you have set for yourselves. Bring the worksheets found in Five Steps to Romantic Love with you when you consult your therapist, and have him or her guide you to a successful completion.

In your effort to restore and sustain romantic love, you will discover a new way to resolve your marital conflicts. You will look for solutions that deposit love units into both of your Love Banks simultaneously. Solutions that make one of you happy at the other's expense (win-lose solutions), will not build your love, but rather will cause one spouse to lose love for the other. So you will learn to continue negotiating until you have found solutions that meet with your mutual agreement (win-win solutions). That way you both deposit love units whenever a problem is solved.

You will learn to negotiate without the Love Busters, anger, disrespect and demands. That way the process of coming to an agreement will deposit love units along with the solution itself. Sadly, many couples use Love Busters as a way to try to come to an agreement, making the agreement much more difficult and causing a loss of love every time they try to resolve a conflict.

Sustained romantic love is a litmus test of your care and protection of each other. Care is nothing more than meeting each other's important emotional needs and protection is accommodating each other's feelings in what you do each day. Your marriage will be passionate and fulfilling if both you and your spouse create and follow a plan that guarantees care and protection. It's well worth the effort.
Hi Perrerband.

Just curious, did you have a specific question or comment? Or are you quoting Dr. Harley as a new conversation starter?

Plenty of people here that are willing to help if you are seeking more info. As you well know, all you need to do is ask.

ps. I like your signature quote, it is so true.
Originally Posted by RetiredCop
Hi Perrerband.

Just curious, did you have a specific question or comment? Or are you quoting Dr. Harley as a new conversation starter?

Plenty of people here that are willing to help if you are seeking more info. As you well know, all you need to do is ask.

ps. I like your signature quote, it is so true.

A conversation starter.
A MARRIAGE BUILDERS basic concept 101.
A gentle(?) reminder that conflict resolution alone will not make a happy marriage.

Love is the answer.

laugh

Thank you for offering to help me!
I like that.
As you can see from my registration date (2000 like yours) and my embarrassingly large number of past posts, I am not EGG-ZAK-LEE a newbie.




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Some couples feel that if they could only rid themselves of certain conflicts, they would be happy together. But I've discovered that marriages can be terrific in spite of conflicts, even when some of them are never fully resolved. The difference between couples who live in marital bliss and those who regret ever having met each other is not found in whether or not they are free of conflict -- it's found in whether or not they are in love with each other.




I've seen so many posters on MB101 trying desperately to resolve some marital conflict while ignoring the basic principle of the Harley philosophy.

~~~>Love your spouse <~~~






Originally Posted by Pepperband



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Some couples feel that if they could only rid themselves of certain conflicts, they would be happy together. But I've discovered that marriages can be terrific in spite of conflicts, even when some of them are never fully resolved. The difference between couples who live in marital bliss and those who regret ever having met each other is not found in whether or not they are free of conflict -- it's found in whether or not they are in love with each other.




I've seen so many posters on MB101 trying desperately to resolve some marital conflict while ignoring the basic principle of the Harley philosophy.

~~~>Love your spouse <~~~


I did not intend to imply that you were a newbe. Quite the contrary, as you pointed out we both have been around for about ten years and you certainly have me beat with the number of posts!

You are so correct in that resolving conflict is not the answer to a satisfying marriage.

As a police officer, I have always carried and used firearms both for my work as well as for competition (enjoyment) purposes. My wife is 100% against any and all firearms. This has been a conflict that we have agreed to disagree on.

The conflict has not been resolved and will never be. We did come to agreements on the storage and availability of these firearms (a necessity with young children around) via the POJA. And while I thought this silly at first, it did give me some practical experience with POJA long before I ever heard of Marriage Builders.

Now, back to your initial post here, do you think that the reason for blended families having so much trouble is because of the children or the parents, having already had one (or more) marriage(s) that did not work out? The parents do not know (or have not been able to implement) the MB principles in their previous relationship(s) and are now in another one still floundering? Just food for thought as I have no good answers here.

Yeah.
I think it is common for people to divorce because they are not happily married without any clue as to why they were not happy ..... Other than it was their spouse's fault.


Originally Posted by Pepperband



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Some couples feel that if they could only rid themselves of certain conflicts, they would be happy together. But I've discovered that marriages can be terrific in spite of conflicts, even when some of them are never fully resolved. The difference between couples who live in marital bliss and those who regret ever having met each other is not found in whether or not they are free of conflict -- it's found in whether or not they are in love with each other.




I've seen so many posters on MB101 trying desperately to resolve some marital conflict while ignoring the basic principle of the Harley philosophy.

~~~>Love your spouse <~~~


This is an outstanding article by Dr Harley and I don't know how I forgot about it. Thank you so much for posting it!

I agree very much it is a distraction to focus on resolving conflict before you have used the rest of the program and have fallen in love. On the weekend board, for example, Dr Harley does not start off with the POJA. He puts that off for a while and even then starts only with SMALL conflicts. Large conflicts are put off til the couple has greater skill and practice negotiating conflict. This is why he tells us to learn the POJA in the grocery store.
I agree. Most of our MC for 6 years was a terrible waste of time. The MCs kept trying to resolve conflict. They never focused on rebuilding our romantic love. The last 2 years we tried MB, but by then we were so entrenched that we couldn't rebuild our love. That is why it is so important to find MB and apply the principles before trying other conflict-resolution types of MC. They don't merely not work. They make things worse!
Spinning one's wheels fixing conflicts is like the ultimate example of putting a band-aid on cancer. Having almost no conflict but almost no love is not really what marriage is supposed to be about.
I don't disagree with the rationale of the article, but the dilemma for most couples is this.

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The First Step in building romantic love is to make a commitment to do just that.

What I see more often is that the above is really the conflict. One party has not agreed to the above. Sometimes it is disguised as another "conflict" and other times this other "conflict" is a bargaining chip bartered in exhange for agreeing to step 1.

I personally see step 1 as a bigger issue than it is presented to be. It's similar to me saying I've figured out how to travel through time, "step 1 is to build a time travel machine."

For whatever reason, a certain percentage of the population no longer (maybe never did) has faith that a good marriage is a fulfilling goal. So many of these conflicts are a manifestation of that principle, in that people fight and claw to protect the things that are contrary to a good marriage, but appear to them, at that time to be a more fulfilling endeavor. To many, dying alone has become preferrable to dying without a "popular" set of experiences. Until, of course, they are actually dying.

I see no solution to that.
Originally Posted by rprynne
I see no solution to that.

Actually there is a solution in the newsletter "When to Call it Quits." This newsletter outlines a plan for when your spouse refuses to meet your needs.
I'm using that time machine analogy. It's pretty astute.

Mom, how can I fly to Hawaii for free?
Easy dear, just grow wings and become a unicorn....now on to the really difficult job of finding a hotel smile
Um, unicorns don't have wings.. wink
Well, they would if they were GOOD ENOUGH unicorns....that's my story and I'm stickin' to it. over and over and over and over.

Oh, yeah, centaurs have wings, right?
Pegasi have wings. Centaurs are half man half horse. No flying centaurs. Unicorns have horns. They are also alleged to be able to teleport. So while they cannot technically FLY you to Hawaii, they could teleport you there, which to me is equally valuable. Glad to be able to clear that up.

As for Step One, I think the problem is not that people don't want romantic love, is that they don't want to pay the price. Some of us fear success. Some of us fear trying and failing more than we fear the failure itself. Others have been abused and are not willing to undertake obligations to overcome their trauma. Some of our spouses have made it clear that they will not meet our needs, but we are unwilling to pay the price of divorce.

Even romantic love is not an unadulterated "good thing". It carried a price. In loss of freedom. In constraint on action. On promising to make effort even when one is tired or afraid. Most people who ARE in love would say this is a price well worth paying. But that does not mean we should pretend there isn't a price to be paid. Or that success is guaranteed.

That doesn't mean the overwhelming majority of couples should implement MB. They should. Simply means we can understand why some (many?) people choose not to.
Originally Posted by MelodyLane
Originally Posted by rprynne
I see no solution to that.

Actually there is a solution in the newsletter "When to Call it Quits." This newsletter outlines a plan for when your spouse refuses to meet your needs.

I've read the "When to call it quits." It's a perfectly fine strategy, but it's not a solution to what I described. It's akin to saying "I fixed my broken car by choosing not to drive it." The "transportation" problem might be solved, but that car is still not running.
Originally Posted by rprynne
[I've read the "When to call it quits." It's a perfectly fine strategy, but it's not a solution to what I described. It's akin to saying "I fixed my broken car by choosing not to drive it." The "transportation" problem might be solved, but that car is still not running.
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Some folks ADMIT when their car is a lemon and accept that it can't be fixed. They get rid of the car. Or they hang onto the car
'hoping" someday it will magically change on its own. That is not a realistic solution.

In other words, when your solution doesn't work, doesn't it make sense to find another solution?

Accepting reality and making appropriate changes is very much a viable solution.

I think the conceptual problem is sort of a chicken-and-egg dilemma. How do you restore love first, when conflict is in the way?

It is my opinion that you can't get started on either things, resolving conflict or restoring love, until you decide you want it. Restoring love begins with ACTING loving, showing love, demonstrating that you care, in order to build and restore the good habits.

You can't wait until your conflicts are all resolved and all your needs met, before you feel like giving your spouse a hug, kissing them goodbye on the way to work, asking what you can do to help their day easier. If you try to do it in that order, putting the acts of love last, don't expect to restore love, resolve conflicts and have your needs met.
Originally Posted by MelodyLane
Some folks ADMIT when their car is a lemon and accept that it can't be fixed. They get rid of the car.

My problem with this analogy is that it discounts differences between what is broken. Suppose it is a rear window that won't open. In my car, there normally isn't anyone IN the back seat, much less wanting to open the window. I could drive my car for years with a broken rear window, and most likely nobody would notice. Now, if the passenger window were broken, more people would notice, because there often is someone sitting in the passenger seat. Or I might want to roll down the window to talk to someone on that side of the car. But I lived for months with a broken passenger side window and it was no big deal. On the other hand, if the DRIVER window would not open, that is a substantial inconvenience. Now I can't roll down the window to use my cardkey to get into the parking garage at work. I can't pay tolls. Now the functionality of my car is significantly impaired.

I use broken power windows as an example because they are relatively expensive to fix, since you have to open up the door to get at them, on top of fixing whatever is broken. Whether to spend alot of money to fix the window may depend on which window is broken. In relationships, different people will view the same shortcoming in their partner as representing a different "window".

Then there are the people who figure "I went over a big bump and the window stopped working. Maybe if I go over another big bump in the future, the window will start working again." Some people will then aim their car at every pothole, hoping to jiggle the window back into operation. Other people like to avoid going over big bumps, because they figure it will just break the car further. As you say, those people tend to buy new cars when they realize their existing car can't be fixed. Often the wise choice.
Originally Posted by Retread
I think the conceptual problem is sort of a chicken-and-egg dilemma. How do you restore love first, when conflict is in the way?

It is my opinion that you can't get started on either things, resolving conflict or restoring love, until you decide you want it. Restoring love begins with ACTING loving, showing love, demonstrating that you care, in order to build and restore the good habits.

You can't wait until your conflicts are all resolved and all your needs met, before you feel like giving your spouse a hug, kissing them goodbye on the way to work, asking what you can do to help their day easier. If you try to do it in that order, putting the acts of love last, don't expect to restore love, resolve conflicts and have your needs met.

Yes. I agree.
It all comes down to the LOVE BANK theory.

We CAN make deposits and we CAN avoid withdrawals even while there is some unresolved conflict.


According to Dr Harley, whenever there is a conflict, what we do to try to resolve that conflict is even more important than finding a resolution to the conflict. He states that our first priority should always be to preserve our love for each other and finding a way to resolve the conflict is much less important.

Any time we attempt to compromise as a way to end a conflict we damage our love for each other. If the negotiations over the conflict are nothing more than one or the other of us trying to prove our own POV, then in the end, one of us will end up feeling resentment over the fact that one of us has gained at the other's expense.

He also has said that he has met couples who seem to be in constant conflict and have one problem after another but because they maintain their love for each other their marriage is a long and happy one, marked by romantic love for each other. Other couples he has met are relatively free of conflict and yet end up with an unhappy marriage and sometimes divorce and it is because the way the conflicts are resolved destroys their love for each other.

I think the car analogies fall apart pretty quickly because when you buy a car, you don't promise to care for that car for life and when it has outlived its usefulness for the purpose it was purchased for or whenever your priorities and requirements change, then the car no longer serves a useful purpose and can simply be replaced.

Not so a marriage. We can't simply decide another, newer or more robust model is now something that better meets our needs and change marriages simply because it isn't like it was when new. But we can each adapt to meet the changing needs of our spouse so that the way we felt when things were all new to us can be sustained over time.

A car can be modified, by force if necessary, but if our spouse refuses to meet our needs, we are either stuck or must abandon the relationship if getting our needs met is necessary to our way of life. Motivation for a fender that rubs a tire might be to use a hammer to bend it or a torch to remove part of it or to take it to a body shop to have the fender replaced. The trick to getting our spouse to modify him or herself in order for the marriage to remain fit for use has to come from within our spouse.

There are things we can do to help a reluctant spouse arrive at a point of willingness to change, but seldom are we willing to actually do those things. We tend to use our instinctive tools to try to make the modifications we expect (AOs, DJs, SDs,). Or we sometimes do the equivalent of letting the car sit in the drive way and finding another form of transportation, or in some cases, such as in an affair, we simply borrow the neighbor's car to go for a ride.

A car that needs repair and a marriage that is no longer satisfying are similar in this. We can either try to fix it, get rid of it and find a replacement that meets our current needs or let it sit in the driveway and complain about how it doesn't work for us anymore. Neither car nor marriage can be fixed by the third.

Conflict resolution over anything must hang from one thing. No matter what you do to fix it, don't hurt each other in the process.

Mark
Conflict resolution over anything must hang from one thing. No matter what you do to fix it, don't hurt each other in the process.




T-da !!!
hurray

Each spouse making Love Bank deposits is only half the equation. Both parties have to first change their mindset to action, putting on a positive attitude of continuing to work on conflicts, and beyond just meeting emotional needs, acting like you love each other, rather than waiting for your Love Bank balance to make you feel like loving. Meet the feelings half way.
Originally Posted by Mark1952
He states that our first priority should always be to preserve our love for each other and finding a way to resolve the conflict is much less important.


Early in our marriage I discovered I HATED fighting with my husband. Not because we yelled, or got angry, but because I was alone. I was standing on my side of the line, and him on his. We went from lovers to enemies each trying to get our way, stomping on our love for each other as we did.

I started using a phrase when we disagreed. "I want us to be on the same side." That's how we started to figure out POJA (way before we found MB). We weren't very good at it b/c we had no clue what we were doing. But we were able to solve problems and disagreements TOGETHER. When we'd disagree we'd try to find a solution together instead of trying to get it one person's 'way'.

With POJA it is so much easier. We have conflict, disagreements, choices to make, but we're on the same team. DH and I working TOGETHER to solve a problem. I've found I become less concerned with being 'right' as with making the choice that is best for our family. I've become more humble, more willing to accept I may not be right (only to DH though smile ). My heart is softened to my husband.

Conflict resolution has become a chance to CREATE romantic love, because instead of being on opposite sides of a line, we're standing together, hand in hand, overcoming the conflict that comes at us.

I love that.

I think the reason people may have trouble with 'Step 1'

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The First Step in building romantic love is to make a commitment to do just that.

Is because we're taught that if we pick the right spouse, if we're soulmates, if we're meant to be, then romantic love will JUST HAPPEN. It will be effortless. Conflicts will just melt away because your love is so strong. It isn't like that. You still have to have the right tools.

People that believe that the pieces will just magically fall into place and it will all just work because it was 'meant' to are more willing to throw it away if it doesn't work. Because, obviously, they met the wrong person. They got to go find the right one. They don't realize it's about BEING the right person. It's about MAKING that commitment to build Romantic love.

DH and I early in our marriage, we had the romantic love, and we had an idea of how to resolve conflict, but it was rough, we were shooting in the dark. When we figured it out, when we built the right habits it DID become effortless. It does Just Happen now.

And for some - they are born with those tools, they get it right from the very beginning. Somehow they know instinctively what to do and they have amazing love stories. We think that we just have to find the right person to have what they have. We don't, we just have to do what they do - and that is what MB teaches.
Originally Posted by holdingontoit
[problem with this analogy is that it discounts differences between what is broken..

No it doesn't at all. Each person defines what constitutes a lemon. What is broken in this instance is the MARRIAGE. The marriage is so broken that one person is unhappy and wants out. I wasn't talking about folks who continually lower the bar and define DOWN their standards until they have no standards. Each person has different standards, of course, to define what makes them happy.


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People that believe that the pieces will just magically fall into place and it will all just work because it was 'meant' to are more willing to throw it away if it doesn't work. Because, obviously, they met the wrong person. They got to go find the right one. They don't realize it's about BEING the right person. It's about MAKING that commitment to build Romantic love.



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Originally Posted by MelodyLane
Originally Posted by rprynne
[I've read the "When to call it quits." It's a perfectly fine strategy, but it's not a solution to what I described. It's akin to saying "I fixed my broken car by choosing not to drive it." The "transportation" problem might be solved, but that car is still not running.
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Some folks ADMIT when their car is a lemon and accept that it can't be fixed. They get rid of the car. Or they hang onto the car
'hoping" someday it will magically change on its own. That is not a realistic solution.

In other words, when your solution doesn't work, doesn't it make sense to find another solution?

Accepting reality and making appropriate changes is very much a viable solution.

That's great. Just not seeing where I challenged accepting reality in what I posted.
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I just read this article again. I had read it last week and made notes of the steps and comments. It really is about the best summary article of the MB program.

Reaching back to some of the early comments about the difficulty of the attitude turnaround necessary to Step One, I thought of other problems at that stage. It's bad enough when one spouse refuses to act loving, but even more difficult is when one spouse refuses to receive love - is passive or rejecting of affection, hugs, kisses, compliments, and will not participate in pleasant conversation or UA time.

I have not seen that addressed, but surely some of the members here have seen or experienced it. Is that degree of estrangement just to far gone to overcome?
Originally Posted by Retread
I It's bad enough when one spouse refuses to act loving, but even more difficult is when one spouse refuses to receive love - is passive or rejecting of affection, hugs, kisses, compliments, and will not participate in pleasant conversation or UA time.

This is not a problem when a spouse is in love, though, and that is what the plan attempts to resolve. When a spouse refuses to engage it is because they have fallen out of love.

And if a spouse refuses to meet the needs of the other spouse, the solution is outlined in "When to call it Quits" over on the newsletter forum.
Originally Posted by Retread
I just read this article again. I had read it last week and made notes of the steps and comments. It really is about the best summary article of the MB program.

I agree absolutely. I was so glad to see it posted! I had completely forgotten this article.
I'm not sure where to add this little tidbit, here is as good a place as any.

A friend and I talk a lot about marriage. We have both struggled to improve our marriages and I find her a supportive person to talk to. I am close with her parents and we were talking about what a great marriage they seem to have. When she and her sister were very little her parents hit a really rough spot. Divorce seemed to be the only solution. They decided to follow the advice to have a date night that they kept no matter what. Problem was...they were in deep withdrawal and could not stand each other. My friend only remembers spending time with a beloved babysitter EVERY Thursday. Her parents tell the story of WEEKS of sitting across from each other and not speaking because they had nothing nice to say (I guess that was one of the rules, no fighting!!) Anyway, eventually they found stuff to talk about, started going away for weekends etc. and here they are happily married 35 years later. I'm not sure if they were following all the MB rules etc. But I think of the story often and it became very real to me after my H and I went from withdrawal to conflict while spending 15+ hours from close to zero hours together all of a sudden.

Being in love is a decision. MB gives you the tools to follow through with that decision. I know I made the "decision" many times but didn't have a good blueprint to follow and made a lot of mistakes along the way.

We are almost two months into our MB journey. We have sucked at actually talking about the topics and filling out our workbook, but we have had fun doing other stuff smile
Originally Posted by wannatry
We are almost two months into our MB journey. We have sucked at actually talking about the topics and filling out our workbook, but we have had fun doing other stuff smile

wannatry, you have described a typical recovery. It is awkward at first but then it comes easier and easier until it becomes a habit! That is the goal of MB, to train us to have habits that faciliate a great, romantic marriage.

It is true that if you bring the body the mind will follow.

Glad to hear you are working the program. It really works when you work it! smile
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This program is NOT a conflict resolution program but a create romantic love program. All the conflict resolution in the world will not save a marriage. Many couples who become experts at resolving conflict STILL end up getting divorced. Dr Harley does not focus on conflict resolution, rather he teaches couples to fall in love and then addresses conflict resolution [POJA] in a way that builds romantic love.

Originally Posted by Dr Harley
The difference between my approach to saving marriages, and the approach of most other therapists, is that I focus on building romantic love (being "in love") between spouses, rather than simply focusing on conflict resolution. As it turns out, I also address conflict resolution, but I do it in a way that builds love between spouses.

Since most marital therapists fail to address the romantic love issue when they try to help couples, their approach to conflict resolution usually fails to build love, and as a result, the couples divorce, even after "resolving" some of their conflicts.

An example of this current effort to "resolve" marital conflicts is found in a book by Jacobson and Christensen, Integrative Couples Therapy (Norton, 1996). In this training manual for marital therapists, couples are to be encouraged by their therapists to lower their marital expectations by becoming more understanding of each other's dysfunctional background. Irreparable wounds inflicted during childhood should inspire empathy toward a thoughtless spouse, not disappointment.

Awareness of each other's limitations should lead to acceptance of each other's behavior and a willingness to meet one's own needs, instead of expecting each other to meet those needs. The suggested goal of therapy is to teach each spouse to make themselves happy, and not look to each other for their happiness. While this approach to therapy may resolve a couple's conflict, it most certainly will not lead to love. When couples follow this advice, few love units are deposited and many are withdrawn. In the end, the couple is likely to divorce.

The same sort of advice is given in Getting the Love You Want by Hendrix (Holt Rinehart, & Winston, 1988). While the book title seems to address the issue of romantic love in marriage, the author's strategy for couples is to learn to accept each other's marital failures, rather than doing anything to overcome them. I guarantee you, if you follow this strategy, you will NOT get the love you want.

My experience, and the experience of a few others who are carefully studying what it takes for a couple to be satisfied with their marriage, proves the opposite of what is currently being popularly recommended. Instead of spouses trying to lower their expectations, I believe that they should raise them. Instead of spouses learning to meet their own emotional needs, I believe that they should expect to have them met by each other, and met in a professional manner. Why? Because that's what it takes for a couple to be in love and stay in love. Furthermore, couples should not waste their time trying to "understand" each other's failures, but rather, they should try to overcome them as quickly as possible so the issue does not have time to drain their Love Banks.
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Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread & bumped it... This is something I've been working to learn, step by step. Actually, I come here to rehearse what I'm trying to learn... the refreshers from others help me. I've been reading this material for some time, but I've only recently made the jump of introducing it to my husband. In some ways, we've done great on our own over the years, and in other ways we could really improve.

I do especially struggle with the following...
Originally Posted by Dr Harley
Instead of spouses trying to lower their expectations, I believe that they should raise them. Instead of spouses learning to meet their own emotional needs, I believe that they should expect to have them met by each other, and met in a professional manner. Why? Because that's what it takes for a couple to be in love and stay in love.
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I understand the wisdom of it, but I fear as well... I mean, if I am vulnerable enough to reveal a deep need... and what if my husband isn't interested in meeting the need or protecting me in that way?
Obviously, I�m struggling somewhat with trust. Being �in love� is scary� rejection is that much more potentially painful! No that it isn�t worth the price, and I am working hard at becoming a buyer and trying to create and environment where my husband is comfortable doing the same.

We�ve filled out the EN questionnaires (very revealing), but haven�t gotten further yet, including covering POJA. I�ve been slow� I don�t want him to think I�ve brought the Harley�s into our marriage in order to �gang up� on him regarding some IB. But I�ve been trying to broach these subjects a bit� implementing Harley stuff without actually referring to the program. At any rate, I thought I�d share that the other night, someone requested something of my husband that could have potentially led him to engage in IB while at the same time clearly disregarding an important need that I have shared with him. Rather than replying, he put the person off. A couple of days later, he brought the subject up while we were on a �date,� and he expressed his desire not to do anything that would disregard my need. In the past I would have rushed to reassure him that I was �ok� with it even if I wasn�t really (out of fear of being a pain)� but I was honest and admitted that it really was a need, and it was best for our marriage that he not acquiesce to the request. He not only was fine with this, but he suggested a solution to the situation that we could both be semi-enthusiastic about (it involves a labor of love for someone who is dying, so it�s hard for me to say �enthusiastic� in this context). My �love bank� and trust levels went up & up� small steps.
Originally Posted by little_t
In the past I would have rushed to reassure him that I was �ok� with it even if I wasn�t really (out of fear of being a pain)� but I was honest and admitted that it really was a need, and it was best for our marriage that he not acquiesce to the request. He not only was fine with this, but he suggested a solution to the situation that we could both be semi-enthusiastic about (it involves a labor of love for someone who is dying, so it�s hard for me to say �enthusiastic� in this context). My �love bank� and trust levels went up & up� small steps.

Wow, you did a great job! Being radically honest with your husband in a respectful way was very effective. It is apparent that your H is very invested in your marriage.
Thank you! - RH is not my strongest suit, and my husband struggles with it too. My husband is very committed to our marriage - but we do have a history of poor communication to overcome - and at one point when he felt that I was not interested in our marriage, he was contemplating divorce (a huge wake-up call for me is an understatement). It obviously helps a lot with MB when both spouses have that commitment, so even if only one has familiarized themselves with MB, the other joins the pas de deux. I'm looking forward to him having greater familiarity too - because he's already doing so great with some things, it'll honestly be a case of "wow, you already do that" rather than "I wish you would do that."
bump - this was an awesome thread that emphasized that MB101 is not a conflict resolution forum, but a marriage building forum.
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