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Originally Posted by MelodyLane
How far away does this hoe live and work from you all? Is it likely you and your h will be crossing paths?

She lives about 40 miles away. We will probably not cross paths, not by chance, I have nothing to do in her town and she rarely comes to my city.

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I can only hope my husband can recover from such an addiction and do right by us.

You need a lot more than hope, susie. You need a plan..and not Plan Hope. Can you finish the exposure today? You need to get that part done ASAP.

I will try to finish that after my kids are in bed but this promises to be a long night, with my oldest and his school work he missed for being sick.

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susie,

You need to stay focused and do one thing at a time.
Right now, you need to expose this affair properly.
Read the Exposure 101 thread in Melody Lane signature and follow the instructions there.
I also encourage you to place the OW on www.cheaterville.com ideally with some type of evidence.

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I wrote a letter to FIL, I will mail it in the morning. I will tell my sil also in the morning. I have sent fb messages to all the friends he ever talks about but not the entire fb friends list. Or should I send to every single person on his friend's list?

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Originally Posted by susiew
I wrote a letter to FIL, I will mail it in the morning. I will tell my sil also in the morning. I have sent fb messages to all the friends he ever talks about but not the entire fb friends list. Or should I send to every single person on his friend's list?

I would send it to all of his friends.
The idea is that one of them with influence may contact him and encourage him to permanently end the affair and work on recovery.

Now, are you using the letter template in Exposure 101?

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I wrote a letter to FIL, I will mail it in the morning. I will tell my sil also in the morning. I have sent fb messages to all the friends he ever talks about but not the entire fb friends list. Or should I send to every single person on his friend's list?

I would send it to all of his friends.
The idea is that one of them with influence may contact him and encourage him to permanently end the affair and work on recovery.

Now, are you using the letter template in Exposure 101?

For fb yes, for my FIL, I just wrote letter. I told him how the affair has affected his grandkids.

I have a doubt, when is an affair considered over? I mean it takes 2 to tango, so if one of them has sent a letter saying it's over don't contact me again, is it considered over or only when your spouse sends such a letter? The thing is if she is not persuing my husband in any way and he technically is not contacting her in any form but still moping and sulking about being in love with her, is it considered an ended affair or a dying affair that could be resparked?

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It is not ended.

Not until he recommits to you on bended knee with hat in hand (and there continues to be zero contact with OW ).







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Originally Posted by susiew
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I wrote a letter to FIL, I will mail it in the morning. I will tell my sil also in the morning. I have sent fb messages to all the friends he ever talks about but not the entire fb friends list. Or should I send to every single person on his friend's list?

I would send it to all of his friends.
The idea is that one of them with influence may contact him and encourage him to permanently end the affair and work on recovery.

Now, are you using the letter template in Exposure 101?

For fb yes, for my FIL, I just wrote letter. I told him how the affair has affected his grandkids.

I have a doubt, when is an affair considered over? I mean it takes 2 to tango, so if one of them has sent a letter saying it's over don't contact me again, is it considered over or only when your spouse sends such a letter? The thing is if she is not persuing my husband in any way and he technically is not contacting her in any form but still moping and sulking about being in love with her, is it considered an ended affair or a dying affair that could be resparked?


There needs to be zero contact. I recommd. Setting up vars to keep an ear on him. (Just for your own peace of mind)

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Have you been tested for STDs?


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Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.



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Originally Posted by BrainHurts
Have you been tested for STDs?

Last test was back at the end of October before my baby was born. Now they both say they only got physical twice, once last summer and once this summer

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Re: How to survive? [Re: susiew]



susie. You are living in a house and town full of triggers with a WH who refuses to commit to the marriage. Not to mention the fact that none of the opportunities that made the affair possible have been shut down. You cannot rebuild or recover a marriage like this.

You are signing up for a death of a thousand cuts.


If you were my own daughter, I would tell her to expose the affair and then pack up and move out leaving only a Plan B letter behind. You have been in Plan A for way to long and your health is going to start to suffer.


I do not for one second believe that this affair is over or dying. I can say that having been in the exact same situation as you. You sound like a smart woman...do you really believe it is over and that you can recover your marriage while staying in affair land?



Originally Posted by Dr. Harley
In spite of career sacrifices, friendships, and issues relating to children's schooling, I am adamant in recommending that there be no contact with a former lover for life. For many, that means a move to another state. But to do otherwise fails to recognize the nature of addiction and its cure.







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I have exposed the affair via fb to my WH's friends. I know 3 have seen it and read it but only 1 has replied. The person that replied was highly upset about my husband's affair and will express their disapproval and encourage him to end the affair.

While I would gladly leave, I just cannot do so. I do not have the financial means to do so right now and I have no where to go as my family is in another country. I will not take my kids to a homeless shelter. I will make this transition, the least traumatic possible for my children and that might mean remaining here until next summer, when my children and I would take our usual trip to see my family and remain there but in the meantime I can work on all the legalities of moving them to another country.That way if there is any chance this marriage survives, I won't have disrupted their education (as they would not be able to return to their current schools). If my marriage goes down the drain, then they can start fresh a new school year in my country.

Contact has ended (so far, I am 100% positive, no hidden phone as I have every single penny accounted for). My WH is coming home at an appropriate time considering his work schedule and travel time. He has worked a few hours over time but not without calling me to let me know. I have a tracker on his phone, so I know where he is. Whether or not he is done, I don't know. I don't understand when this "withdrawal" period starts and what it looks like. I thought the "I am in love with her", "our relationship was broken already" and all those phrases were part of it.

Maybe, I am just blind and grasping on straws here.

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Did you post the OW on www.cheaterville.com?
Strong exposure is essential to killing an affair

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Originally Posted by susiew
Maybe, I am just blind and grasping on straws here.

Susie, you have done a great job thus far! Now the real work begins. I would go to him with a PLAN to save your marriage. He can either agree or he can move out. If he moves out he will be legally obliged to continue to support you.

As long as the affair is over, you can lead your marriage out of the ditch if you follow this program. If you don't follow this program your marriage won't make it and you will end up divorced.

Do you have the book Surviving an Affair? If not, you should get it asap and start working that program with your husband.

Here is the checklist:

From Surviving an Affair, pg 66-67

The extraordinary precautions do more than end marriage-threatening affairs; they help a couple form the kind of relationship they always wanted.

These recommendations may seem rigid, unnecessarily confining, and even paranoid to those who have not been the victim of infidelity. But people like Sue and Jon, who have suffered unimaginable pain as a result of an affair that spun out of control, can easily see their value. For the inconvenience of following my advice, Sue would have spared herself and Jon the very worst experience of their lives.


Checklist for How Affairs Should End

_____The unfaithful spouse should reveal information about the affair to the betrayed spouse.

_____The unfaithful spouse should make a commitment to the betrayed spouse to never see or talk to the lover OP again.

_____The unfaithful spouse should write a letter to the lover OP ending the relationship and send it with the approval of the betrayed spouse.

_____The unfaithful spouse should take extraordinary precautions to guarantee total separation from the lover OP:

_____Block potential communication with the lover OP (change e-mail address and home and cell phone numbers, and close all social networking accounts; have voice messages and mail monitored by the betrayed spouse).

_____Account for time (betrayed spouse and wayward spouse give each other a twenty-four-hour daily schedule with locations and telephone numbers).

_____Account for money (betrayed spouse and wayward spouse give each other a complete account of all money spent).

_____Spend leisure time together.

_____Change jobs and relocate if necessary.

_____Avoid overnight separation.

_____Allow technical accountability.

_____ Expose affair to family members, clergy, and/or friends.


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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Originally Posted by Dr Bill Harley
The plan I recommend for recovery after an affair is very specific. That's because I've found that even small deviations from that plan are usually disastrous. But when it's followed, it always works. The plan has two parts that must be implemented sequentially. The first part of the plan is for the unfaithful spouse to completely separate from the lover and eliminate the conditions that made the affair possible. The second part is for the couple to create a romantic relationship, using my Basic Concepts as a guide.

I'll describe these two parts to you in a little more detail.

The first step, complete separation from the lover and eliminating the conditions that made the affair possible, requires a complete understanding of the affair. All information regarding the affair must be revealed to the betrayed spouse, including the name of the lover, the conditions that made the affair possible (travel, internet, etc.), the details of what took place during the affair, all correspondence, and anything else that would shed light on the tragedy.

This information is important for two reasons: (1) it creates accountability and transparency, making it essentially impossible for the unfaithful spouse to continue the affair or begin a new one unnoticed, and (2) it creates trust for the betrayed spouse, providing evidence that the affair is over and a new one is unlikely to take its place. The nightmares you experience are likely to continue until you have the facts that
will lead to your assurance that your husband can be trusted.

An analysis of the wayward spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. I know why people have affairs: We are all wired for it. Given certain conditions, we would all do it. Given other conditions, however, none of us would do it. So the goal of the first step is to discover the conditions that made the affair possible and eliminate them.

After the first step is completed, the second step is to create a romantic relationship between you and your husband using my 10 Basic Concepts here
as your guide. While your relationship may be improving, it won't lead to a romantic relationship because you are not being transparent toward each other. Unspoken issues in a marital relationship lead to a superficiality that ruins romance.

Your nightmares are only the tip of the iceberg. They are but a small reflection of the suffering you experienced when you discovered your husband's affair, and the fear you have that the suffering will be repeated. You have no assurance that the affair is over because you don't even know who the other woman is. You are being asked to trust your husband, who has already proven to be untrustworthy. For all you know, he could be working with her, or you could be going to the same church, or she could be
your neighbor. And since he won't discuss the details of how the affair took place, you have no assurance that another affair will not take its place.

Infidelity is not something that can be swept under the rug. While those who have affairs want to forget about it and move on, those who are betrayed must take very specific steps before they can fully recover. In your case, those steps have not been taken, and as a result, your fear persists. I will send you a complimentary copy of my book, "Surviving an Affair," if you send me your address. It will describe these two steps to you and provide you with a roadmap toward full recovery. But the path will require full disclosure of all details.



"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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I have not posted her on cheaterville. It would only be fair if I posted both her and my WH as they BOTH are cheaters.

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I requested it from the library.I will read your other post when my kids are in bed. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by susiew
I requested it from the library.I will read your other post when my kids are in bed. Thanks!

Susie, you need to OWN that book becsaue you will need to read it over and over and take notes in it. If you can't pay for it, I would email Dr Harley at the radio show asking him for advice for your situation. If you include your address they will send you a free book.


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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Susiew,

You may want to get a polygraph for your WH, two times they were intimate, sorry that does not add up. Then share the real story with the OWH.

I hope your children no longer have contact with OW children and they know what OW did to their family.

God Bless
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I requested it from the library.I will read your other post when my kids are in bed. Thanks!

Susie, you need to OWN that book becsaue you will need to read it over and over and take notes in it. If you can't pay for it, I would email Dr Harley at the radio show asking him for advice for your situation. If you include your address they will send you a free book.

Ok, I emailed Dr. Harley. I will still get the book from the library to start reading it, if Dr. Harley sends me a complementary copy, great. If not I will buy one as soon as I have the funds.

On a positive note, after an awful beginning of the evening, I was able to talk to him with no arguments and he agreed to have a "date" Friday night. This is a huge improvement. He said that he does love me, he just didn't want or think he could go back were we came from. And I told him we never had to go back there, we could go to a much better place together as a couple and a family, if he so desired.

I am thinking at least one of his friends contacted him about it. I won't know until tomorrow as I would have to turn on my desktop to log in to his fb (which I have access to).

Ok now for some advice on my date night. I suggested we did something simple and free like go walk by the river just so we could be alone, just the 2 of us with no children or social media interfering. Just pay $20 bucks to my teenage neighbor to babysit the kids. Should I bring printed copies of the emotional needs questionnaire? or should I wait on those? Should I try to get him to tell me more about the affair? Should I talk about my expectations and ask him about his? I feel like a freaking teenager who's crush finally invited her to go out on a date!

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Originally Posted by susiew
I have not posted her on cheaterville. It would only be fair if I posted both her and my WH as they BOTH are cheaters.

No, you are battling an affair and it is not your role to be "fair."
There is a proverb as old as the world: "All is far in love and war."
There are no rules in war and you are in a battle to save your marriage.

Post the woman on Cheaterville and expose her for the whole community

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