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Hi everyone,

This is my first time on here. I am looking for advice as to how I should respond to my husband's emotional affair.

To the point - what should I do if he has broken some of his contact with the other woman, but not all of it? Also, he has been responsive to me, trying to spend time with me and have fun, but he won't talk about the other woman or us. He says he's "emotionally exhausted" and it seems very true; he's depressed in general about his life because of this situation, his health, and his job. The summary is, I'm seeing some improvement from him, but not remorse and not honesty. Should I move out? keep filling his love tank? live with him but distance myself? Right now I don't know what would be effective with him, and its obvious that any major argument or "drama" with me would be the last straw for him.


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Originally Posted by yourlifeagain
Hi everyone,

This is my first time on here. I am looking for advice as to how I should respond to my husband's emotional affair.

To the point - what should I do if he has broken some of his contact with the other woman, but not all of it? Also, he has been responsive to me, trying to spend time with me and have fun, but he won't talk about the other woman or us. He says he's "emotionally exhausted" and it seems very true; he's depressed in general about his life because of this situation, his health, and his job. The summary is, I'm seeing some improvement from him, but not remorse and not honesty. Should I move out? keep filling his love tank? live with him but distance myself? Right now I don't know what would be effective with him, and its obvious that any major argument or "drama" with me would be the last straw for him.

What would be the most effective is to stop enabling his affair and exposing it to everyone using the tactics on my exposure thread. The longer they are in contact, the more entrenched the affair and the harder it will be to save your marriage.

I am sure he doesn't want any "drama;" he wants to continue to have you around as an option while he pursues his affair. All you do is make yourself the less attractive option by allowing him to abuse you like this.

If you want to save this, then you need to stop enabling his affair. It greatly hinders your odds of saving this and just makes you look very unattractive.


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Originally Posted by yourlifeagain
Right now I don't know what would be effective with him, and its obvious that any major argument or "drama" with me would be the last straw for him.

In other words, you must tolerate his cruel, abusive treatment without complaint? That should be the "last straw" for you.


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Are you married? How long? Any children?


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I've been married 4 years, no children. I'm 24 and he's 25, we were high school sweethearts/friends since age 14. He's had an EA for almost 3 years. Our marriage has been very very hard and we've had a lot of external attacks in all kinds of forms. I also realize now that even though I was trying, I did a lot of things wrong and was not meeting his emotional needs. He got so discouraged and just checked out. He doesn't act cruel to me at all; he's very nice and flirts all the time. I can tell he's definitely trying. In the past he's been quite resistant about ending contact with her, and for the first time in the last two months I see a decrease in contact, but I don't know how to take it or respond. If I do expose the affair, what else do I do of the options I listed? how do I act?

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Originally Posted by yourlifeagain
I've been married 4 years, no children. I'm 24 and he's 25, we were high school sweethearts/friends since age 14. He's had an EA for almost 3 years.

So he has had an affair almost the entire length of your marriage. There is not much here to save. I will be honest and tell you that he is not marriage material and likely will never work out.

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Our marriage has been very very hard and we've had a lot of external attacks in all kinds of forms. I also realize now that even though I was trying, I did a lot of things wrong and was not meeting his emotional needs. He got so discouraged and just checked out.

Yes, he checked out because he is having an affair. He has not been meeting your needs because he is not faithful.

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He doesn't act cruel to me at all; he's very nice and flirts all the time.

Having an affair is as cruel as it comes. It is as abusive as physical assault or rape. He is a very cruel person.

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I can tell he's definitely trying. In the past he's been quite resistant about ending contact with her, and for the first time in the last two months I see a decrease in contact, but I don't know how to take it or respond.

Continuing his affair is not "trying." Flirting is not "trying." But the biggest problem I see here is that you ENABLE him. Why do you think you would enable such poor behavior from your husband?

Do you understand that you are a very big part of the problem here? You are an adult woman and you are old enough to know better than this.


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Originally Posted by yourlifeagain
II'm 24 and he's 25,

A 24 year old woman is old enough to know better. It is very immature to enable such poor behavior from your husband. This is not how a grown up, mature woman behaves. Is this the type of role modeling you received from your mother? Do your families know you are enabling your H's affair? And have been doing so for YEARS?


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I'd appreciate some tenderness with your comments. I can say I honestly did not understand the situation until just a few months ago and had no idea about the level of seriousness. I did not realize this was an affair. Only just now has everything come to light since I discovered emails, did reading, and received some counsel. Call me naive, but its been a huge discovery for me.

I'd like you to know, MelodyLane, that I take your advice seriously and with a lot of consideration. Having said that, I need to know on what basis you make the claims you do. Some of them I see. One that is not clear to me is why you say he's not marriage material, and not faithful. While he has not been faithful for the majority of our marriage, I am cautious of anyone who appears to make a quick judgment. Please don't feel that I am resisting you, when I am actually just looking for a patient explanation.

Also, I am committed to not remaining in this situation, but I would like to take action in a way that gives him a chance to end the affair and return to me if he truly would like to. I ask my questions from this standpoint, and not one ready to quickly discard my marriage because of my suffering. My suffering is valid and he has done wrong, but I have done wrong too; my first aim is reconciliation, and if that cannot be done, then separation and divorce. I think its important that you know where I am coming from.

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Originally Posted by yourlifeagain
I'd like you to know, MelodyLane, that I take your advice seriously and with a lot of consideration. Having said that, I need to know on what basis you make the claims you do. Some of them I see. One that is not clear to me is why you say he's not marriage material, and not faithful. While he has not been faithful for the majority of our marriage, I am cautious of anyone who appears to make a quick judgment. Please don't feel that I am resisting you, when I am actually just looking for a patient explanation.

A man who is not faithful and who has not been faithful almost your entire marriage is obviously not marriage material. One does not have to be "quick to judge" or slow to judge to be able to recognize that. I am cautious of those who seem to use no judgement or poor judgment. I hope you do not fall into that category.

As such, there is not much here to save. You have no children with this man and a very lousy history. I hope you understand that you have a very tough road ahead of you if you decide to try. With a very short history, you really should ask yourself if it is worth it. And you should only try under certain conditions. If he won't make a radical change in his approach to marriage then you absolutely should separate from him.

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Also, I am committed to not remaining in this situation, but I would like to take action in a way that gives him a chance to end the affair and return to me if he truly would like to.I ask my questions from this standpoint, and not one ready to quickly discard my marriage because of my suffering. My suffering is valid and he has done wrong, but I have done wrong too; my first aim is reconciliation, and if that cannot be done, then separation and divorce. I think its important that you know where I am coming from.

In that case, what would be recommended is that you first expose his affair using the techniques on my exposure thread. After it is widely exposed, you should give him a checklist of extraordinary precautions and demand that he end all contact for life with the OW. [I will post this check list next] These are non negotiable conditions that will protect you from another affair. Additionally, he would have to commit to a program of recovery that restores the romantic love in your marriage.

If he agrees to all of this, then you have a small chance. If not, then Dr Harley would recommend that you separate from him right away and ultimately divorce.


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Originally Posted by yourlifeagain
He says he's "emotionally exhausted" and it seems very true; he's depressed in general about his life because of this situation, his health, and his job.

Lying and cheating is emotionally exhausting and he's been doing it for three years. I have a very hard time believing this affair isn't physical given it's been going on for 3 YEARS.

If you want to try and salvage your marriage, the first thing you need to do it expose. When did you discover his affair?

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From Surviving an Affair, pg 66-67

The extraordinary precautions do more than end marriage-threatening affairs; they help a couple form the kind of relationship they always wanted.

These recommendations may seem rigid, unnecessarily confining, and even paranoid to those who have not been the victim of infidelity. But people like Sue and Jon, who have suffered unimaginable pain as a result of an affair that spun out of control, can easily see their value. For the inconvenience of following my advice, Sue would have spared herself and Jon the very worst experience of their lives.


Checklist for How Affairs Should End

_____The unfaithful spouse should reveal information about the affair to the betrayed spouse.

_____The unfaithful spouse should make a commitment to the betrayed spouse to never see or talk to the lover OP again.

_____The unfaithful spouse should write a letter to the lover OP ending the relationship and send it with the approval of the betrayed spouse.

_____The unfaithful spouse should take extraordinary precautions to guarantee total separation from the lover OP:

_____Block potential communication with the lover OP (change e-mail address and home and cell phone numbers, and close all social networking accounts; have voice messages and mail monitored by the betrayed spouse).

_____Account for time (betrayed spouse and wayward spouse give each other a twenty-four-hour daily schedule with locations and telephone numbers).

_____Account for money (betrayed spouse and wayward spouse give each other a complete account of all money spent).

_____Spend leisure time together.

_____Change jobs and relocate if necessary.

_____Avoid overnight separation.

_____Allow technical accountability.

_____ Expose affair to family members, clergy, and/or friends.


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Originally Posted by yourlifeagain
In the past he's been quite resistant about ending contact with her, and for the first time in the last two months I see a decrease in contact, but I don't know how to take it or respond.

You do not need to Plan A. You are past that point. You need to expose and prepare to separate if he will not commit to NC with his skank. You are spinning your wheels if he refuses to end his affair. A decrease in contact is still contact. He is not serious and is probably in a sexual affair with this OW.


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Run.


Plan B until a recovery plan is in place. But he is likely hoping that you are a permanent enabler.

As a young woman you could easily fall in love with a faithful man and Plan B would heal you from such a lengthy period of abuse.

You must be swaying on your feet and ceased to be attractive or strong a long time ago. But you can be again.



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When I got here I read some of the love bank articles and applied them incorrectly as you are doing.

A legnthy Plan A is fantastic at winning back a wayward wife, but she would not be agreeable and fun or enjoy it as your husband does. She would be devoted to her lover and very hostile and resent her husband, but it would end her affair within two years as the love bank mounted. Most women can only love one man.

What you're doing doesn't work on men. They adore having the attention of two women and can split their life into two. Men have brains which can segment things. Giving yourself as a back up option actually props up his affair. He can flit between you both, avoiding problems, making you compete. He forgets everything but the one he is with, hence the no talking rule. That probably applies to her too.

This would go on forever until you had a nervous breakdown.

It's too hard on women. Dr H recommends a 3 weeks limit on Plan A for women to prevent serious physical and mental health repercussions. When did you last eat or sleep like a normal person?

After three years of such incredibly cruel abuse from an unfaithful husband, your marital recovery (should you ever get there) would take many more years than the average three to five to complete. As soon as you feel safe in his commitment there will be three years of resentment to get through for starters. Most women only suffer this a few weeks.

Had you entered Plan B years ago you would have secured yourself against health problems, against mounting resentment and you would have forced his inadequately satisfying affair to stand alone under the gaze of disapproving exposure targets. By this point, you would be the one deciding if you wanted to undertake recovery. You would be so healed, you would probably say no.


I think you know he is likely not ever going to agree to everything on the checklist. Cheating so soon into the marriage implies that he thinks it is OK. He thinks the commitment will hold you and he may always make you compete for love.

But if there is any hope for him, it is to be found within Plan B.


Please have yourself STD tested. He has been with her for three years and they have quite obviously had sex many times and cheaters don't use protection. The fact you don't know this tells me you haven't had any spy measures put in place at all.

Expose the affair after reading the thread in MLs signature and then we can help you prepare for Plan B.



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but I have done wrong too;


We are sure you've heard all about that.

But unless you've had two affairs and made him watch, your wrongs pale in comparison to his.

He should be on blended knee in gratitude that he gets the CHANCE to do that checklist. Not talking about your faults - for heaven's sake! No excuse.

Having an affair because you're not happy is like axe murdering some one for giving you a papercut.



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Ahh - I see you've only known a few months, not the duration of the A.

That's still quite long enough! Proceed with exposure and Plan B.


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Originally Posted by yourlifeagain
I'd appreciate some tenderness with your comments.

You have to be cruel to be kind sometimes. Your WH is the one being cruel and you are in for a lot of heartbreak if you continue on in this manner.

ML is completely correct in what she has said to you. There is nothing to save here. Sorry frown


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Originally Posted by yourlifeagain
I'd like you to know, MelodyLane, that I take your advice seriously and with a lot of consideration. Having said that, I need to know on what basis you make the claims you do. Some of them I see. One that is not clear to me is why you say he's not marriage material, and not faithful. While he has not been faithful for the majority of our marriage, I am cautious of anyone who appears to make a quick judgment.

Dr Harley has said a short marriage with no kids and one of the spouses are cheating he does not have a lot of hope for.

First of all, for your WH to wander so early in the marriage says A LOT about him, period. There is no way around this. Conflicts and problems in marriage typically arise after the children come.

Secondly, recovery is HARD work, for you both. Your WH would need to change his lifestyle/boundaries. A long good marital history and children is often a good motivation for both spouses to get through recovery. That is lacking here.

You are still very young. Be glad you found this out about your WH early vs later. You do NOT want to have children with this man. I cannot emphasize that enough.


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Have you read the Surviving An Affair book yet? I was just re-reading it this morning and I wish I would have absorbed more at the stage you're in and followed it a bit closer.

The ending the affair section is really good... if he has any contact it's going to fire up again. And not talking to you about it/answering questions is another bad sign, unfortunately. My husband had an emotional affair and couldn't let it go and now he's off in his own apartment and they've had sex/are dating... I'm trying to survive the "natural death process" that will be coming up but its rough.

So I am doing Plan B and I cut off communication with my husband as well.

The addiction to the mistress is hard when they are depressed. My husband had the same like midlife crisis issues. It's such a drug for them...

Sorry about your situation. Hang in there!!

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Who is the OW? Is she married?


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OW is a 23 year old single girl who has been sexually abused her whole life and suicidal....he was abused too so they have a special connection. He calls her the sister he never had.

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Yeah it's always that girl. Pro victim.

Hugs to you my dear.


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Thanks so much. I'm suffering quite a bit. I don't know how anyone survives.

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As far as practical actions go you don't need to decide about the marriage.

You still need exposure - it gets you healing support as well as tackling the affair.

You also need to protect yourself from the abuse of contact - getting an IM and changing contact details aka Plan B.

I ended up divorcing but as Dr H promised, Plan B makes it hurt less.

So as far as following the plans go it's the same. Heal yourself first, decide later.

The plans keep all options open.


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Thanks so much. I'm suffering quite a bit. I don't know how anyone survives.


It does not last forever. I was on the floor howling myself not long ago and these days I am very happy. Stick around.

Please take care of yourself. Eat bites of easy things to keep down (bananas, nuts). Nap if you can't actually sleep.

Exposure should be done asap. Read MLs exposure thread in her signature. Then we can get you quickly into a Plan B.


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. He calls her the sister he never had.


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You do not need to Plan A. You are past that point.

I am unsure of this, because i feel like I didn't do plan A very well, and part of the time I was trying to do the 180 (do you know what that is?), which is like the opposite of Plan A. I feel like Plan A maybe didnt get a fair shot. I went in between being cold, angry, distant, happy, close, loving, crowding, emotional, nagging, silent, and everything else, but in a clustered way...I didn't know how to handle this at first. Also, i don't know if of all the things I tried, that i did any of them long enough or consistently enough. To make things more complicated, part of the time I was essentially doing half of the 180, and half of "filling his love bank" at once, due to what he's told me and what I've read of his needs. He feels both crowded by me and ignored by me. Like, wow. what to do, huh. so for the areas he felt one way i did one thing, and vice-versa.




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Black_Raven - About a day or so after he first met this girl he told me about her and they became friends, largely in front of me and at work (he met her at work, but neither works there anymore). But, the point is, I didn't understand how heightened and important it was for a while. And then when I started to feel uncomfortable, I thought I was in the wrong. I REALLY did. I thought there was something wrong with me, and I tried so hard to change the way I felt about it. It wasn't until about October of last year that I started to actually accept that it wasn't me, it was them. This was HUGE for me. Sorry if I'm stupid as hell, but its the truth. And now I know. Doubt i'll make that mistake again...

Brokenhearted - no, I haven't read Surviving An Affair...I've read "Love must be Tough," and I am starting "Not just friends."

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As far as practical actions go you don't need to decide about the marriage.


So as far as following the plans go it's the same. Heal yourself first, decide later.

The plans keep all options open.

What did you mean by this? Sorry, I don't fully understand.

Also, in reference to your earlier statement, I uncovered 7 months worth of emails by accident back in february, and there was NOTHING in them about sex or anything physical. Does this mean something? I found a ton of alarming (very alarming) gushing from her, and almost nothing from him on those lines. He told her like twice that he missed her, that was it. Most of the emails were from her, and were by far the longest from her. does this mean that they're not having sex? Does this mean that he's not into her the same way she's into him? several emails where she gushed to him he didnt respond even when she asked for one from him.

anyway, no I've been having chest pains, nausea and poor sleep for the last 6+months, and have been hurt almost the whole time since it started. But the good news is, tonight two friends offered me a place to stay! That made me feel better than i thought it would. Now I just need to figure out how to get out of our apartment lease if he refuses to pay for it. we have a joint bank account.

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Originally Posted by yourlifeagain
Black_Raven - About a day or so after he first met this girl he told me about her and they became friends, largely in front of me and at work (he met her at work, but neither works there anymore). But, the point is, I didn't understand how heightened and important it was for a while. And then when I started to feel uncomfortable, I thought I was in the wrong. I REALLY did. I thought there was something wrong with me, and I tried so hard to change the way I felt about it. It wasn't until about October of last year that I started to actually accept that it wasn't me, it was them. This was HUGE for me. Sorry if I'm stupid as hell, but its the truth. And now I know. Doubt i'll make that mistake again...

You are not stupid. Society in general supports the notion that opposite sex friendships in marriage are perfectly acceptable, and a spouse that does not go along with this arrangement is 'insecure' or has jealousy or trust issues.

I always tell my kids to trust their instinct. Jealousy is just that, an instinct. It is a natural reaction to a threat to your marriage. You SHOULD have felt uncomfortable with that, and that is obvious now of course. Because she was a threat to your marriage from day 1.

Now when I hear someone refer to a woman as 'secure' or 'confident' because they are OK with their spouse having OS friendships, I respond 'a secure confident woman can just as easily (more actually!) be the victim of infidelity, one does not deter the other.' Which of course is true, and we see it on here all the time.

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Brokenhearted - no, I haven't read Surviving An Affair...I've read "Love must be Tough," and I am starting "Not just friends."

I would suggest putting down all other books for now and focusing on SAA. It is a blueprint to how to survive infidelity, written by Dr Harley who has specialized in this area for over 40 years. You CAN NOT find a better book to read right now in your life.

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As far as practical actions go you don't need to decide about the marriage.


So as far as following the plans go it's the same. Heal yourself first, decide later.

The plans keep all options open.

What did you mean by this? Sorry, I don't fully understand.

What I think Indie is trying to say, is that many posters are telling you that there is not much to save in your marriage. Even if you disagree with that, you don't have to make that decision right now, today. The steps to follow for an affair are the same at this juncture. You expose the affair, demand your husband end his affair and commit to a plan of recovery, if he is unwilling enter a dark separation (Plan B) providing him with the opportunity to work on the marriage once he has fully ended his affair and is willing to meet your requirements for recovery. AT ANY MOMENT in this plan, now, in the middle of Plan B, even in the middle of recovery if that should happen, if you choose to divorce, you can. Nobody would ever fault you for divorcing in this situation. You should just put one foot in front of the other right now and work the plan.

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Also, in reference to your earlier statement, I uncovered 7 months worth of emails by accident back in february, and there was NOTHING in them about sex or anything physical. Does this mean something? I found a ton of alarming (very alarming) gushing from her, and almost nothing from him on those lines. He told her like twice that he missed her, that was it. Most of the emails were from her, and were by far the longest from her. does this mean that they're not having sex? Does this mean that he's not into her the same way she's into him? several emails where she gushed to him he didnt respond even when she asked for one from him.

This doesn't mean anything. It is unlikely to say the least, that he has carried on an affair with her for this long, and is willing to throw away a marriage, just because she is into him and he is not into her...wouldn't you say? That just doesn't make sense.

Either way, the plan remains the same.

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You do not need to Plan A. You are past that point.

I am unsure of this, because i feel like I didn't do plan A very well, and part of the time I was trying to do the 180 (do you know what that is?), which is like the opposite of Plan A. I feel like Plan A maybe didnt get a fair shot. I went in between being cold, angry, distant, happy, close, loving, crowding, emotional, nagging, silent, and everything else, but in a clustered way...I didn't know how to handle this at first. Also, i don't know if of all the things I tried, that i did any of them long enough or consistently enough. To make things more complicated, part of the time I was essentially doing half of the 180, and half of "filling his love bank" at once, due to what he's told me and what I've read of his needs. He feels both crowded by me and ignored by me. Like, wow. what to do, huh. so for the areas he felt one way i did one thing, and vice-versa.


You don't need to Plan A well. That's more for men. Besides I can tell you have done enough because he is cake eating and wants to spend time with you. I would just make sure his last memory of you is attractive and strong. At this point it means saying no more cake eating with a Plan B letter.

There is no way to be successful with a cake eating man. You've done well. Too well and are making yourself ill.




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Black_Raven - About a day or so after he first met this girl he told me about her and they became friends, largely in front of me and at work (he met her at work, but neither works there anymore). But, the point is, I didn't understand how heightened and important it was for a while. And then when I started to feel uncomfortable, I thought I was in the wrong. I REALLY did. I thought there was something wrong with me, and I tried so hard to change the way I felt about it. It wasn't until about October of last year that I started to actually accept that it wasn't me, it was them. This was HUGE for me. Sorry if I'm stupid as hell, but its the truth. And now I know. Doubt i'll make that mistake again...


We've all been there done that.

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anyway, no I've been having chest pains, nausea and poor sleep for the last 6+months, and have been hurt almost the whole time since it started. But the good news is, tonight two friends offered me a place to stay! That made me feel better than i thought it would. Now I just need to figure out how to get out of our apartment lease if he refuses to pay for it. we have a joint bank account.


You need to get into Plan B quickly. You will achieve nothing in your grave. I'm quite serious, I've been here just a few years and already know someone who died young of heart problems, Dr H is quite right.

Please stop messing around with those affair books you mentioned. There are very few people who understand the science and psychology of affairs like Dr H. I've never seen him make a mistake about this stuff.

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What I think Indie is trying to say, is that many posters are telling you that there is not much to save in your marriage. Even if you disagree with that, you don't have to make that decision right now, today. The steps to follow for an affair are the same at this juncture. You expose the affair, demand your husband end his affair and commit to a plan of recovery, if he is unwilling enter a dark separation (Plan B) providing him with the opportunity to work on the marriage once he has fully ended his affair and is willing to meet your requirements for recovery. AT ANY MOMENT in this plan, now, in the middle of Plan B, even in the middle of recovery if that should happen, if you choose to divorce, you can. Nobody would ever fault you for divorcing in this situation. You should just put one foot in front of the other right now and work the plan.



Exactly.

I think plan b is urgently needed, you can expose from within Plan B.




What would you do if you were not afraid?

"Fear is the little death. Fear is the mind-killer" Frank Herbert.

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http://forum.marriagebuilders.com/ubbt/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2482787

This thread tells you how to Plan B correctly.


Plan B completely healed my pain. You don't actually need him for that. After a few weeks withdrawal the intense pain ebbs. Just a few months in I realized I had a whole world of men out there to choose from. By the time WH showed up on my doorstep I wasn't interested. Plan B gives the power back to you.

If he is serious about the marriage he can end Plan B at any time - commit to full recovery - and it stops you from propping up the affair.

Right now he is enjoying having his cake and eating it too. That always continues until the BW becomes unattractively haggard or hospitalized.



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YLA, there is an amazing woman underneath all this pain. Remember her? Do you think it's time we looked after her and stopped her running around after a pair of dummies hopped up on their affair like crackheads?



What would you do if you were not afraid?

"Fear is the little death. Fear is the mind-killer" Frank Herbert.

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You do not need to Plan A. You are past that point.

I am unsure of this, because i feel like I didn't do plan A very well, and part of the time I was trying to do the 180 (do you know what that is?), which is like the opposite of Plan A. I feel like Plan A maybe didnt get a fair shot.

I would agree with your assessment that you have not done a good Plan A, for 2 reasons: you have not exposed and you have been in contact with him too long. Plan A is 2 parts, exposure and telling your husband you will meet his needs in the future if he ends his affair.

I would expose this affair and give him an opportunity to end his affair immediately, with full accountability. If he won't do that, you should go into Plan B right away.


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

Exposure 101


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Mel, she has chest pains and physical symptoms of the stress, should she go into Plan B first rather than remaining in Plan A to face him down during exposure?

I know you've advised someone to expose from within Plan B in the past (for different reasons though) or do you think she can handle him in the angry stage?


What would you do if you were not afraid?

"Fear is the little death. Fear is the mind-killer" Frank Herbert.

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