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Originally Posted by Rocketqueen
Yes, the fall brings great outdoor festivals to our area. I was thinking of the garlic festival as we have never been and would love for us to go! I'm also hoping that kiss has off for the Warwick apple fest, as well, which is a favorite of mine. My luck, he'll be working. frown

I have been working hard on the positive aspects of moving and kiss seems to be on board. I just don't know how to get it moving any faster. It's frustrating.

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Originally Posted by markos
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No, I would be leaving a 19 year job with the state. I'm sure I could find something though. But we were planning on me not working to have our UA time.

I wish we could just go and have him catch up eventually but then that leaves him here, close to skank and unsupervised.

Yes it does, but I would make this the last ditch effort. And I've heard Dr. Harley suggest it a time or two on the radio. You move and he may decide to follow and recover your marriage. Or he may decide to not recover the marriage and do something horrible, in which case you'll need to protect yourself with Plan B. It may mean the end of your marriage, but your marriage sure isn't going to recover in this state!

Markos, you nailed it on the head!! Dr Harley told her to move.


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Originally Posted by Rocketqueen
Prisca- I would love to be somewhere warm so the kids and I could spend lots of times outdoors. South somewhere. Carolina's, Virginia, Georgia, etc.

Viscountess- I'm sure I could find something, but I look at the job openings down there and feel so inept. It's discouraging and hard to do when your hundreds of miles away.

Just having a rough day today. Feeling pretty pessimistic and stressed.
My family moved to western North Carolina. The combination of high altitude and low latitude gives cooler summers and warmer winters. It's a great place if you like to do stuff outdoors. There are more jobs available down here then there were a few years ago. Still, the job search will be challenging, but far from hopeless.


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RQ, for really serious job seeking, I recommend Nick Corcodilos of Ask the Headhunter. It's a book, newsletter, and website. It changed the way I do job hunting, although I haven't changed jobs in awhile. (Layoffs at work this week, though, so maybe I will be soon!)

Don't be turned off by the name - the advice does not boil down to "get a headhunter," and Corcodilos would say that's bad advice anyway.


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Originally Posted by mrEureka
Originally Posted by Rocketqueen
Prisca- I would love to be somewhere warm so the kids and I could spend lots of times outdoors. South somewhere. Carolina's, Virginia, Georgia, etc.

Viscountess- I'm sure I could find something, but I look at the job openings down there and feel so inept. It's discouraging and hard to do when your hundreds of miles away.

Just having a rough day today. Feeling pretty pessimistic and stressed.
My family moved to western North Carolina. The combination of high altitude and low latitude gives cooler summers and warmer winters. It's a great place if you like to do stuff outdoors. There are more jobs available down here then there were a few years ago. Still, the job search will be challenging, but far from hopeless.

I'll second this. We lived in western NC for about 10 years. Great place. Now we live in the Piedmont. That's a great location as well. Easy access to the mountains and the beach!


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Originally Posted by FightTheFight
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Prisca- I would love to be somewhere warm so the kids and I could spend lots of times outdoors. South somewhere. Carolina's, Virginia, Georgia, etc.

Viscountess- I'm sure I could find something, but I look at the job openings down there and feel so inept. It's discouraging and hard to do when your hundreds of miles away.

Just having a rough day today. Feeling pretty pessimistic and stressed.
My family moved to western North Carolina. The combination of high altitude and low latitude gives cooler summers and warmer winters. It's a great place if you like to do stuff outdoors. There are more jobs available down here then there were a few years ago. Still, the job search will be challenging, but far from hopeless.

I'll second this. We lived in western NC for about 10 years. Great place. Now we live in the Piedmont. That's a great location as well. Easy access to the mountains and the beach!

I'm from the piedmont (Cherryville to be exact) and lived in Winston Salem and Pilot Mountain.

It'll be wonderful to be home next year. Ohio is great, but it's not NC.

The job market is depressed in NC more than other parts of the country.


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Originally Posted by Viscountess
Originally Posted by FightTheFight
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Originally Posted by Rocketqueen
Prisca- I would love to be somewhere warm so the kids and I could spend lots of times outdoors. South somewhere. Carolina's, Virginia, Georgia, etc.

Viscountess- I'm sure I could find something, but I look at the job openings down there and feel so inept. It's discouraging and hard to do when your hundreds of miles away.

Just having a rough day today. Feeling pretty pessimistic and stressed.
My family moved to western North Carolina. The combination of high altitude and low latitude gives cooler summers and warmer winters. It's a great place if you like to do stuff outdoors. There are more jobs available down here then there were a few years ago. Still, the job search will be challenging, but far from hopeless.

I'll second this. We lived in western NC for about 10 years. Great place. Now we live in the Piedmont. That's a great location as well. Easy access to the mountains and the beach!

I'm from the piedmont (Cherryville to be exact) and lived in Winston Salem and Pilot Mountain.

It'll be wonderful to be home next year. Ohio is great, but it's not NC.

The job market is depressed in NC more than other parts of the country.
I retired when I moved here, and I brought my annuity with me, so I'm doing what I can for the local economy. Actually, there are quite a large number of "help wanting" signs around in the last few months.


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I retired when I moved here, and I brought my annuity with me, so I'm doing what I can for the local economy. Actually, there are quite a large number of "help wanting" signs around in the last few months.

The area I'm from was some of the hardest hit with the closure of the textile mills. I'm hoping things pick up before we move home next year so DH can find a good job and I can be a SAHW.


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So, I touched base with my best friend who lives in Raleigh, NC. She said that she would be able to help me get a job with the county there. We would also be 8 hrs from my family and 8 hours from his (and DD18 if she does go to school in FL).

But! It just doesn't seem right to do this without Kiss' ...input, agreement, what-have-you. What if he doesn't want to live in NC? Should I be looking for a job in the Orlando area where we agreed upon, even though he hasn't been able to find a job there?

Isn't this the ultimate in IB?

ETA: Viscountess, this doesn't mean I won't need your assistance at some point. Just putting feelers out. lol

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Originally Posted by Rocketqueen
Isn't this the ultimate in IB?

To me, yes, it is.

Where that can be avoided or negated is saying "Hey, I want to get out of here and away from all of this "stuff" that keeps hanging over our heads. I want to start over and think that you do, too. I've got this, this and this lined up in the sunny South. What do you say we hit the road?"

There's no reason that this could not be an exceptional opportunity for POJA, and it may just be the nudge that he needs to get moving.



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Northwood, I've said that. Numerous times. And kiss will say that I'll look into this position....and then doesn't. I've said, well here is a position in NC or Vs, etc and he says he's not crazy about the other areas.

I will talk with him about tonight. See if he has changed his mind about the other areas.

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Originally Posted by Northwood8900
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Isn't this the ultimate in IB?

To me, yes, it is.

No, it's actually the ultimate in POJA. It's the ultimate "do nothing" part of the Policy of Joint Agreement. It says "If you are not willing to make a marriage with me on terms that I am enthusiastic about, then we simply can't do anything together at all. I will wait for you to join me in a marriage we are both enthusiastic about."

Dr. Harley has said this before about any separation.

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Where that can be avoided or negated is saying "Hey, I want to get out of here and away from all of this "stuff" that keeps hanging over our heads. I want to start over and think that you do, too. I've got this, this and this lined up in the sunny South. What do you say we hit the road?"

There's no reason that this could not be an exceptional opportunity for POJA, and it may just be the nudge that he needs to get moving.

Yes, she should ask him for his input about it, and then she should follow Dr. Harley's advice and go on and move without him if he doesn't join her. Start building a new life, RQ. Hopefully he will choose to join - but you will be fine either way.


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Dr Harley gave this poster specific instructions. If any other posters have problems with Dr. Harley's advice you need to contact Dr. Harley directly rather than debating it on this poster's thread.

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Originally Posted by markos
Yes, she should ask him for his input about it, and then she should follow Dr. Harley's advice and go on and move without him if he doesn't join her. Start building a new life, RQ. Hopefully he will choose to join - but you will be fine either way.
This situation kind of reminds me of what happens when a computer needs rebooting. So many errors have already happened that a major restart is needed. Dr. Harley has advised on how this restart should proceed. Maybe everything will work out and Kiss will join in, too. Maybe not. RQ needs to move on, because there is no longer any other sound option.


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Originally Posted by markos
No, it's actually the ultimate in POJA. It's the ultimate "do nothing" part of the Policy of Joint Agreement. It says "If you are not willing to make a marriage with me on terms that I am enthusiastic about, then we simply can't do anything together at all. I will wait for you to join me in a marriage we are both enthusiastic about."

Dr. Harley has said this before about any separation.

That is where I was confused. Is the "do nothing part" mean I/we stay put until we agree on where we are going? Maybe not. Especially since I don't see Kiss as willing to move as I am.

Originally Posted by Markos
Yes, she should ask him for his input about it, and then she should follow Dr. Harley's advice and go on and move without him if he doesn't join her. Start building a new life, RQ. Hopefully he will choose to join - but you will be fine either way.

So, should I look to move to the original area where we agreed to or to wherever I choose?

Also, I don't know if I can legally move the kids to another state. I can see Kiss fighting me on that one. Perkaps, then, I should move to FL, our original destination?


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Originally Posted by mrEureka
This situation kind of reminds me of what happens when a computer needs rebooting. So many errors have already happened that a major restart is needed. Dr. Harley has advised on how this restart should proceed. Maybe everything will work out and Kiss will join in, too. Maybe not. RQ needs to move on, because there is no longer any other sound option.

Precisely! That is a great way of putting it smile

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Weekend of garlic festival- kiss is working
Day of apple fest- kiss is working
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Guess it will be just me and the kids....as usual

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How long can you go on like this?


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