This is what you wrote in my last thread:

oh my god so much has been going on in your life right now but have you heard about the new girlfriend he has becouse I think I know you But I do know your ex best friend very will he say that your ex is in jail right now and that you know that gril you seen him with a xmas I think that is whan you see her will she is 5 months pregnany with his baby and I till her to leave he but she does not know what to say and I think he has not told is parsant about the new baby on the way so we know each other more than we think we know .

please get back soon.

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H does not wat to dates or get tings work out wit use but now I am going to ave a baby by im wat should I do .

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I think you ARE the gf. So, Lisa... what kind of game are you trying to play here? If you're pregnant... well... that's no surprise. I predicted that back in December, and even warned Carolyn that she'll be a grandmother soon. Too bad you'll be trying to take away the excitement from Mark and Melina... but that's a typical gesture of Dave's. He's always been jealous of them. You know that by now, I'm sure.

As far as your language incapabilities online, you've been VERY inconsistent, so it's obviously a "put on". Wise up, for the sake of the baby at least, and do what's right... at least by speaking proper english, and typing it out. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

It is no surprise about my email addy... topie25@hotmail.com ... so you have been more than able to contact me at any time. Why you have chosen to use this forum is beyond me. This forum is meant to help others out, not to hinder their healing progress.

Are you hindering my healing? No. You're just annoying the crap outta me by not disclosing who you really are. That's one thing I cannot stand... anonimity. Your life is NOT in danger, so there isn't any reason why you cannot let me know who you really are, IF in fact you know me as you say you do.

I do NOT have any "ex" best friends, aside from Dave, btw.

And if you really aren't Lisa, but are honestly trying to help her get out of the situation she's in. Best of luck to you. It took me over 7 years to "get it". She's only been part of this carnival for 9 months now. And if she has chosen not to leave after he's been arrested 3 times since January, then she won't leave him. But that's okay... it's her problem. And besides, Dave needs all the support he can get. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> My only concern is for the baby. But that's okay. CAS is already involved in my situation, and no one can hide a child for that long. Should this baby actually exist, the authorities WILL be notified. Unfortunately, this could mean that he/she will be removed from the home, b/c of Dave. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" /> I hope Lisa realises this, and moves on with her life.

Karen

I forgot to mention this tidbit of information:

Should Lisa choose to leave Dave, and should she be pregnant, and file for child support, she will NOT receive any for quite some time. Since I am still his wife, and I have bore his first FOUR children, I am entitled to child support first and foremost. Even once we are (finally!) divorced, I am, and will always be, his first wife. Gosh, I hate that title... but it's the truth.

Please inform Lisa that she needs to protect herself financially... and soon. Dave WILL be in jail for a LONG time soon.... and she'll need to find a way to support herself, and possibly a child too.

Come on looking for you 2223... come out of your hiding. Cowards aren't likened to very much on here. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Karen

Well i have been in hiding because I dont really know you and how you know my name. But yes this is lisa and im here to tell you that i am no longer pregnant...dont know if i ever was. But i had all the signs including two months late. I have been laid off and was unable to buy a pregnancy test. I went to the doctors and they told me thatI was but I lost it. I believe almost every thing you say about Dave. Since i lost my job he has treated me like crap. Leaving me at home while out dating other girls and then denying it to the point that i believed him.He has slept with numerous girls including some good friends. I relize now he was only using me and when he got bored he dumped me off.So I just want to talk to you because I would like to know more about what Dave is capable of. i have nothing against you. We need to stick together.Im on your side:)

Lisa, I am very sorry to hear that he is continuing in his ways. <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" /> But he is what he is.

If you want to email me at topie25@hotmail.com with your phone number, I will call you as soon as I get it. Of course, due to circumstances, I will have to use *67 before I call, to block my number.

I am sorry about the possible miscarriage. <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" /> I went through one as well, in the summer of 2001, when the twins were only a few months old. In this circumstance, I think it is a blessing from God.... He wants to protect children... and Dave is not that way inclined. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

I'll be online for another 1/2 hour or so. So please email me with your number, so I can call you back.

Karen

Hmmm... I'm still online, and haven't yet received an email from you Lisa.

If you truly want to talk... then now is the time. The twins are napping. Eric is busy playing. It's relatively quiet in the house.

Oh, how did I know your name? Back on xmas eve when I regained access to MY home, I saw some silly stuff on the computer screen... lovey dovey online tests for "Dave and Lisa" to see how compatible the two of you were. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Sorry... but that's elementary school stuff. Your name was reconfirmed after you had the gall to appear at the Father's Day visitation and give Eric a gift! (sorry, but that REALLY pissed me off) What were you thinking??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Eric is having a tough time dealing with "daddy" being gone, and thinking I'm going to leave him... he sure didn't need to think that I was going to be replaced by you (or anyone else for that matter). I spoke to Carolyn and Bill about it that very same week. As usual, I suspect they did nothing, nor said anything.

Also... you said that you believe ALMOST everything I have said about Dave. What don't you believe? I'm curious to know. Yes, there are always at LEAST 2 sides to every story... and I just want to assure you, that my side, as posted on here for the most part, is nothing but the whole truth, so help me God, from what I have experienced.

Where'd you go? Now that you've had the courage to come out of your hiding (which took a lot of guts... and I commend you for that btw)... you really ought to stay out here.

If you need support, I can assure you that the people on here will help you. There are tons of folks on MB who have followed my story from when I first started posting over 2 yrs ago. THEY known what Dave is all about. And they also have the understanding that yes, you were used by him. He's a liar, a cheat, and a grand manipulator. You fell for it, just as I did... just as many other women have and are falling for it. He's a true con man. That's for sure. Sigh!

Anyways... I'm still waiting to hear from you. If you're uncomfortable with giving me your phone number, then we can continue corresponding via these forums, or private email. The choice is yours. I don't care either way, as I have nothing to hide from anyone. And as some people don't understand, I really couldn't care less about who knows my business... except for Dave and his sick family. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Karen

I have one more final suggestion for you Lisa. If you want to know more about Dave, as you suggested, and would like to get together, I am willing to do that.

Assuming that you are still living with Dave, the best time to meet would be BEFORE he gets out of jail tomorrow.

I would be willing to hire a sitter, and meet you at a public place... such as the Tim Horton's across the street from the A&P in this area (I am still near the old house you stayed in when I was in shelter). Just give me a time to meet, and I"ll be there... .but within reason, as I have to call the sitter and make arrangements of course.

Karen

Just so you all know, Lisa hasn't emailed me, nor do I think she will... IF that's even her who has been posting to me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

I'm so tired of Dave's games... I'm having a bit of fun with this one instead. LOL.

Lisa: you don't need me to know what Dave is capable of. As some of my MB friends have reminded me, you are already well aware. He's capable of destroying many families (mine, his, ours, other victims, etc), he's capable of being arrested numerous times in a short period of time, he only cares about getting his [censored] wet (and btw, he RARELY uses protection... so get yourself checked out a.s.a.p.), and he's capable of destroying someone elses personal property, and making so many unkept promises (even to lawyers before the courts!!).

What else do you need to know?

Karen

Topie,

PLEASE do NOT arrange to meet this person. Brass ______ and all,,this is just NOT a good idea!

I pray you did not go. BAD idea.
Stay away from her. She is not your friend or oyur responsibilty. Be careful!!

tsc

2223,

Listen up girlie......you have an identity problem. I did a search on you and well..... are you pretending to be Topie or what? You claim to have 3 children, married, prego, claimed OW is prego, etc.

Telling Topie in prior posts that the OW is nice? Really? Then you should be liking all his other OWs.

Listen up. Go get some professional help. Go back to school and learn proper grammer. It will help you get a better supporting job.

Leave the man who is NOT your H. Learn to be a good person. Then find a good man to be with.

You need to work on improving yourself. Topie does NOT need to help you. You and your kind (yep....the OWs are right now your kind), have helped ruin Topie's family. She is doing all she can to survive right now and your request for her help is NOT good for her and her family.

You go find your own help. You claim to have family then claim not to have family..... make up your mind and then go back to your family.

Does this sound harsh? Well it is. You are still quite young and have the chance to make something good out of yourself but you are NOT doing a good job by associating with a man who can't even take care of his family. If you continue to stay with such a person, you will become like him and in fact the law may consider you an accomplice. Now you have the choice to do yourself some good or sink the the WS.

You do have the right to post here. I am not telling you to stop but you need to realize that your double talk isn't doing you much good.

Figure out who are you and what you want and are willing to do. Don't be afraid to improve your lifestyle. Choose your association wisely.

L.

Oh my!

Topie, we all admire your strength here.

Please be careful. The forum is really not the place to communicate with this person.

Magnolia

I never did hear from whoever it is that is posting to me here.

I ask that you all allow this thread to drift away into cyberspace <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> at this time.

Should this person have the guts to contact me, I will let you know. But don't count on it happening.

nerly and tsc: Don't worry... I don't think I'd ever meet her in person. I was just getting carried away with the game. My bad. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Orchid: Holy smokes girl!!! I know you tell it like it is ... but whoa! Let's just say I'm very proud to have you as my friend. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

MBMagnolia: You're absolutely right. As I said, I got carried away, and I apologize. This person can contact me via hotmail if desired... why they didn't do that in the first place is beyond me... but I am thankful for it... b/c my MB support network was able to kick in. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> If this thread can be locked... then go ahead. Or if necessary, I'll delete as much as I can from my end. Just let me know.

Karen

Dear K,

Sorry to be soooo harsh. 2223 is young immature and needs t/b straightened out. That child has 222 much of her life ahead t/b in this mess.

2223,
Another thing (you probably are sick of reading my posts but just curious enough to do so.... that's good), anyways as for getting you help, check out the women's abuse hotline and shelter. If Topie can do it with 3 children, it s/b a piece of cake for you. Of course it will be hard but you really don't have it as difficult as Topie.

You realize you are part of the reason why Topie was kicked out and homeless. Are you proud of that accomplishment? The kinds of stuff you s/b proud of is finishing school t/b a lawyer, doctor, engineer, nurse, etc.

There are probably several organizations in your area that can help assist you in getting on your feet. Get busy finding them, know it will periodically be discouraging but in the long run you will be better off.

Don't worry about Topie's XH, he's a big boy and needs to work on his own issues. He can't even be there for you right now.

Also be glad Topie is as kind hearted as she is. You probably won't be as generous a soul as Topie now would you? Well learn from her example and stop being a thorn in her side.

take care,
L.

orchid
you have no right to qustion me about this and for your little mind that you have but topic said one thing and does anther I did not brake up her family. her ex and I did not get together ontill dec 15 so that meets that she was already out of the house and I never see her ex ontill dec 4 so how did I brake up her family .
it take two to make a marriage work and it take two to brake it up .
and i am very education so I am not a child I am in my late 20"s .
if you feel you need to bad mouth me and say thing you don't know about me please feel free to write back.
looking for you 2223

orchid
you have no right to qustion me about this and for your little mind that you have but topic said one thing and does anther I did not brake up her family. her ex and I did not get together ontill dec 15 so that meets that she was already out of the house and I never see her ex ontill dec 4 so how did I brake up her family .
it take two to make a marriage work and it take two to brake it up .
and i am very education so I am not a child I am in my late 20"s .
if you feel you need to bad mouth me and say thing you don't know about me please feel free to write back.
looking for you 2223

Dear topic
I think that meeting you will be a bad idea but i am will to chat on here and dave an I have not been liveing together sine may so dave and I have not talk sine than and he does not know that I will have his baby and that I last it as will dave is an ******* (sorry for saying that but he is ) dave use people and think of hes self so. and as a frather day goes I did not give your son a gife so were did that come from . all the silk thing that was in your house yes that was my but you had no right to do what you did to than and I can not find though thing again thank alot for that but I am over that now and sorry for not getting back sooner but i do work so I am only on the computer alittle a a time if I don't get back so I will get back later have to go back to work chat later

looking for you 2223

Lisa:

Orchid is NOT badmouthing you. Try reading her posts in a different tone.

What is it that you want from me Lisa? Why can't you just come out with it?

The fact that you entered into Dave's life after I had already left him is irrelevant to MBers. He is still a married man, just as I am still a married woman.

We all want to know what you were thinking to stay with him once you saw our house. How could you feel safe when you saw all of my belongings (including my toothbrush, deodorant and hair care accessories) still there? And the boys toys everywhere... and their furniture, books, movies, BEDS and BLANKETS!!!????? Didn't that send off any red flags to you? And then when I confronted you on xmas eve as you sat in his truck and couldn't even look me in the eye... I TOLD you I was staying in an abused women's shelter. You seemed to IGNORE me as Dave physically SHOVED me away from the truck. Again... what were you thinking? Did you lose your gut instincts somewhere?

I'm still waiting for an email. As MBMagnolia has suggested... this forum is NOT the proper place to converse.

And Lisa... please don't be cutting up MY friends. They have done more for me online, in 2 years than Dave and his family have ever done in 8 years. They are MY family now. And I do anything I can do to protect my own. I have tons of proof of that.

Karen

A few days after Dave had visitation with Eric on Father's Day (they went to the children's festival), Eric told me that Lisa gave him the cars. Perhaps then, Dave has introduced his family to another Lisa? I don't know... and don't entirely care. They can all have each other.

As far as damaging those silk items. Honey... they were in MY house and by law, I can do whatever I choose to do with anything in MY house. The fact that YOU destroyed much of MY property in MY house makes YOU liable for some stiff charges. Did you know I already reported you and Dave back on New Year's Eve? That's when I found my damaged property.

If it wasn't you, and was him that wrecked my stuff... then I suggest you inform the police.

I'm very glad to hear that you are no longer with Dave. I'm glad you finally wised up. I'm also glad to hear that there is no child in this equation anymore... IF you were and aren't pregnant now.

I have no reason to believe anything you're telling me Lisa... .please keep that in mind.

However, I am the type of person who would like to help you out... yes, for selfish and personal reasons... but nonetheless... help you out.

Why not email me with your phone number or email addy? I am also on MSN messanger using topie25@hotmail.com .

Karen

Im not done yet. for your information I am with a new man that makes me feel like a million bucks and he wants revenge on dave as well. I am not asking for HELP im asking what Dave is capable of because i am scared. Like I said if i could turn back time I would have never dated that man. He told me I was special and that he loved me. I believed him. Boy was I stupid. Yeah your right...What was i thinking?I never gave your son a gift..swear to god.Hes a cutie by the way;)Trust me Im not out to get you or make your life more stressful..I just want to make sense of what just happened to me.And I thought if i could get any support it would be out here.But I guess not.You all say im dangerous and whatever.Why dont you think of me as another victim instead of daves side kick. Like I said before Karen Im on your side and that is from the bottom of mt heart:)

If anyone wants to email me feel free for i am not the bad guy in this situation -----------reddchery@hotmail.com.