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My WS left two days ago to be with OW. I got a letter from him today. Here is part of it:
I am sorry for doing this to us and the baby. I can't just sit there and pretend. I am way to comfortable with you and this situation. I need to get out of that zone to see if I really miss you and love you. Right now I am lying to myself and you. I want to remain optimistic that this time will show me the right path. I feel so alone. I want to miss you and crave what we had the last 10 years. Sorry I couldn't shut off the feelings for the OW. I don't understand why I pulled away after 10 plus years. It doesn't make sense we had something wonderful and I lost it. Right now everything is dark. I apologize. Love,P Sorry!

Any comment. I don't know how he can be off with her all weekend and say this crap to me.

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Well, I could have predicted what his letter says.

Typical WS confusion and "righteous" introspection.

Very, very, very, typical.

He's been abducted by aliens.

But, the good news for you is that HE'S NORMAL!!

Everything the MB principles stresses is applicable to your situation.

Stay the course. Plan A, Plan A, Plan A. Then Plan B.

He is following the pattern 100%. This means YOU need to follow the pattern 100%.

Understand???

WAT

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He is a classic Cake eater. Listen to WAT.

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Yup, just as I suggested before! Plan A! Listen to Wat!

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Durham,
Hang in there, follow what WAT told you. This is almost textbook.

I know you must have your copy of SAA, and this is described perfectly in there as well.

This little time away will have the fantasy blow up right in his face. I'm sure it's not all it's cracked up to be already.

DO NOT LB.... the OW will dig her own ditch...just stand back and let her do it.

Stay strong in your convictions, and take care of you and the baby.

He'll pull his head out of his butt soon enough.

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Dear Durham,

I am currently working on the Boundaries in Marriage concepts. As you point out, your husband seems not to be fully honest with you.

You bring up money matters, as not having the budget set out. One idea in Boundaries is to discuss upcoming problems with our spouses. Is there any way to have a confrontational, yet considerate, discussion on finances with H? Cloud talks about initiating loving confrontations on upcoming issues with our spuses. Are ther any other issues that you could bring up with H?

One formula for asking our spouses to better respect reasonable boundaries, is to work on better boundaries ourselves, that are meaningful to our spouse. I have not read all your posts, but are there any boundaries that are important to your husband, that you are working to better respect?

My wife had an attitude toward me a month ago, that she had better answers and was more righteous than I was. I asked her to try to talk like we had differences of opinion, rather than for her to try to prove she was right, and I was wrong, if we differed. You seem to have considerable resentment toward H. Are you able to give hime the respect of an equal when you see him?

Have you read 180 Degree Divorce Busters? What changes has MC suggested that you make in your approach to H? What changes have you tried, that are difficult for you? You seem to be focussing more on probvlems than on solutions to the problems.

You don't seem to feel that Plan B is going to give you the resulst you want. Plan B can backfire. Here is one Plan B backfire thread:
cnf, Her Daughter's Father marries OW after Plan B

While H's ambivalance is typical and his view of the truth is self-serving, you are in MC, so your situation does not seem, to me, to be ideal for Plan B, unless you are ready to give up on H. Ordinarily, Plan B would lead to MC, and getting back together. Is ther any chance to work with the husband of OW, to get them back together, so H can come home? What is blocking OW and her husband getting back together besides H?

I was unaware of the mood swings that go along with some pregnancies. When my wife was pregnat with our first child, I was unprepared for her occasionally become quite hurtfully taunting. She did not even realize that her demeanor had changed, and just felt I was being excessively unreasonable, and deserved to be yelled at. The second pregnancy, I was better prepared, and arranged to give emotional distance when she flared up in an unusual manner, that seem appropriate to her.

You don't seem to be familiar with 180 Degree Divorce Busters. Here are some references:

divorcebusting.com
MB Thread on 180 Degree Divorce Busters

Stop Divorce Website
Stop Divorce website


Here are the Boundaries References.

BOUNDARIES IN MARRIAGE (1999), by Dr. Henry Cloud and Dr. John Townsend, Available in Leather, ISBN 0-310-24612-1, Hard back: ISBN 0-310-22151-X, and Paper Back: ISBN 0-310-24314-9 (Soft Cover) Zondervan, Grand Rapids, Michigan 49530.

Boundaries in Marriage Workbook, Paperback, ISBN 0-310-22875-1.

Boundaries, Face to Face (2003) by Henry Cloud and John Townsend

cloudtownsend.com
www.drhenrycloud.com
www.newlife.com

Boundaries Course Video, with Cloud and Townsend, comes with the Boundaries in Marriage, the Particpant's Guide and the Instructor's Guide.
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=1813624&sourceid=1500000000000000040820
Boundaries Groups:

overcomersoutreach.org
Overcomer's Outreach Boundaries Groups

celebraterecovery.com
Celebrate Recovery Boundarie Groups


Lecture Reservations:
newlife.com
1-800-new life

I am posting to you because you seem to be interested in getting H back in line, to be a good father to your unborn child. Perahps you could focus a discussion of your feelings on naming your child. You could ask for a legally binding agreement covering the name of the child. Have you determined the sex of your unborn child? The more you can discuss upcoming issues with an open mind, the more you can build some trust you need to get H back.

I fouind a suit I liked at a clothing store. I just asked them to hold the suit. I came back with my wife yesterday, and my wife was not 100% sold. I have not yet bought the suit. My wife does not have strenuous objections to the style of the suit. I need a suit, as the pants for my current suit are fraying in the seat. I engaged my wife in a discussion of an upcoming issue, with an undecided mind. The Sale ends today, and I don't know what I will do, as I don't have full POJA, but my egaging my wife in planning illustrates a constructive dialogue about an upcomiong decision.

Blessings

<small>[ April 25, 2004, 12:18 PM: Message edited by: Whaler ]</small>

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Wowwww!...i feel like printed your WS letter and give it to my WH because it sounded 100% the same old thing he said to me!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> But since i am in plan B i guess i should not...

Hang in there. We are all going through the same process. Keep to your plans and you will be okay. Vent here if you need but KEEP TO YOUR PLANS kay.

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durham -

I have 5 or 6 letters from my WH like that, almost word for word. I think they write them to reduce their guilt. If you get a chance, check out the post on JFO from cool or cold duck, I forget which one it is. Her WH started an affair when she was 6 months pregnant with her first child.

Hang in there, you can do this.

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Hi Durham,

If you haven't done so already you should post that letter under the fogese thread.

Don't you just love the angle that they're supposedly moving out for the benefit of the BS/marriage? How noble of them... Uh-huh...

Seriously - While the WS's brains have been abducted by aliens they must assume we are suffering from the same impaired reasoning ability LOL

Meremortal (but not braindead LOL)

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durham - where's your Plan B letter?

You ARE NOT in Plan B without a letter.

WAT

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Whaler,
you wrote; You don't seem to feel that Plan B is going to give you the resulst you want. Plan B can backfire. Here is one Plan B backfire thread:
cnf, Her Daughter's Father marries OW after Plan B

A couple of things.
1 – cnf, in the case above, was not married. Her and her fiancé never had to get a divorce for her him to get married to someone else. A divorce will put all the feelings on the line and have a much bigger influence than some may think. Marriage makes a BIG difference in a relationship.
2 - How can Plan B backfire as long as it is done even semi-correctly?
The results of a successful Plan B are one of a two things.
a- The ws ends the affair and the couple gets back together.
b – The bs falls out of love with the ws.
Yes, you may not get the results you want but nowhere does Plan B guarantee the affair will end and the ws will return.

<small>[ April 28, 2004, 03:46 PM: Message edited by: Chris -CA123 ]</small>


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