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I'm waiting up to stuff the stockings.

Gray, I hope you get a turn at that with your own rug rats one of these days. You would be good at it.

Notice......... that we asked Weaver what her plans were and she never answered. Does that mean what I think it does?
Or, did I miss it?
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I just missed it. You already told us. Duhhh - SS needs to get some sleep.

Merry Christmas J.

Merry Christmas Faithful. I've been wondering about your plans too. I hope you have a very happy day.

The food sounds good, I admit that.

Kimmy, I expect a full report of what's for dinner.

2long, I salute you - The gentle Giant. I have to think that salutation would please you. What a great man in so many ways.

Binder, one of these days I'll come by and see you. There are places I'd like to walk again.

Shule, on the odd chance that you'll do one of your fly by's - Merry Christmas.

Hi SLH, Glad you are doing a little better.

And, who ever I forgot, I'm sorry. I always forget someone, even if I write it down.

Thanks everyone.

SS

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I think sometimes about all the pain in the world. I hope we can ease that here, even if only a little bit.
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GC - I need that list of books. Plus - I want one of your CDs. (I am a pro sound engineer/novice musician)

Oh - wait - I have kids. I will not get a chance to read for another 10 years.

Sounds like good food. I took the easy way - I stuffed a piece of cow and some veggies and a couple of packaged soups in the crock pot, and pushed "cook". It'll do.

Merry Christmas to you. I am still pondering your question. I have plenty of my own.

Rock on!

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Just got home from visiting some dear friends that were kind enough to invite me over for Christmas Eve.

Wishing you all a Merry Christmas. God bless and keep you.


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I hope you are doing okay this morning Binder, I know this has been very hard on you.

Merry Christmas guy and may 2006 bring you joy x20 the tears you have wept.

SS - thank you so much for being you, and for caring so much about all of us! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Thank-you for the well wishes Weaver, the house feels pretty empty this AM, but I am getting all the wrapping done before the kids get here at 2.

I think 2005 has been trying for you as well. I do see a woman that has exploited her troubles as an opportunity for personal growth though. May 2006 not bring you so many such “opportunities”.


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GC - I posed your question to my boss - the assistant pastor at a big church - he has an earned doctorate - I think in psychology. His answer is obviously Biblically based - but it is fairly succinct.

Your question was something like:
"But just so we're all on the same page... ALL the major faiths in the world disapprove unambiguously of infidelity.
In Christianity, God disapproves of infidelity. Why?"

His answer:
"Hi,
God's order in the universe is based on His nature and reality. This have been revealed to us through His communication in the Word. It is here that we learn of the created order in the beginning (Genesis) where His intended creation was male and female becoming one to partake of His essential nature. Mal. 2 asks the question, "Why one?"... He desires Godly offspring.. this is all the fulfillment of His desire for us to be fruitful and to multiply and subdue the earth. That we would enjoy God and the nature of true love. Infidelity defiles this order and hence His blessing to experience His nature and the true nature of love. Infidelity and all other sins have this same root origin. God is not holding back the fun of multiple relationships... His nature is to bless us and it is in living within His ordered plan that the blessings exist. M."

This may help in your quest for knowledge of why the Christian faith feels about (infidelity) (sin) what it does.

Let me know if this piece fits into your puzzle.

I am curious about your quest.

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That's really interesting, FaR, Thanks for sharing it.

SS, I hope you had a wonderful Christmas, too. And Weaver, Binder, GrayCloud, FoundAReason, FF, KiwiJ, Gimble, cc46 (stop by sometimes; we don't bite!), 2long, AD, Orchid, Shul, Aphelion, and all the people who I didn't mention, some of whom have never posted on this thread and who nonetheless read it, who celebrate Christmas. Or any other winter festival.

I've just returned from a trip to Northern WI (Door County, for those who know the area) and returned with a wicked cold and many other presents. Changes in cabin pressure -really- stink when your head is that congested.

The rest of the weekend was wonderful. Fantastic food and drink and sweets -- none of which I cooked (for the first time in 35 years, I think!). Good fun. A game of Scrabble. Fires in the fireplace. A small child in pajamas with feet putting out cookies and milk and later, because of the odd situation I'm in, taking bites of those same cookies and milk after she'd put the apples and oranges in the stockings. Opening presents in the same place and time and way that I've opened presents many times before. Except that my ex wasn't there and my daughter was. Odd, that switch. Walking with the dog in the cold winter air, throwing a stick for her and laughing as she slid on the icy pavement. Going back to the fire and making s'mores. Ambrosia, my mom's family recipe. 7 Layer Bars, a recipe from The Site That Shall Not Be Mentioned, made by HoFS, sent to my parents' home. Chocolate from the confectioner in my home town. Thai stir fry hot enough to curl your hair one night, succulent beef tenderloin with roasted potatoes and vegetables the next.

A wonderful weekend. Absolutely unhealthy, all in all, and that's just fine with me. I'm going to go take a long, hot bath and then begin my long winter's nap. Wake me up when the daffodils bloom, ok?

I would chatter more, but the bath is calling. My head is full of snot and steam seems like a reeeeeeeally good idea.

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FAR, it's good to hear from you.

Thanks for relaying that conversation. I'm not prepared to comment. Does it help me? Yes, very much, though maybe not in the way you might imagine.

My thoughts are too half-baked to go into here, now. But thanks.

A pro sound engineer, no kidding! I'm building a studio in my basement next spring. Zero budget.

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GrayCloud,

I thought it was time to stop by and see how you were doing. I miss all of you my friends. I wish there were a way to repay those that helped save my marriage.


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just dropping by to wish you and yours a Happy New Year... tried to get around to all before Chrissy but work got in the way!! How rude of it1 lol

I know Aussie [from wherever he is in Afghanistan] would want me to wish you a great new year and most of all happiness.

AW


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Wow. AW (even though I'm a bad mini) and SCHLUTER? What a surprise. The least you could do is give an update, dude. AW, I think of Aussie all the time. Every time they say "Afghanistan" in the news I think of him.

I'm on vacation this week, so naturally I'm a night owl. Tonight after band rehearsal I went to a rock club with my friends. A cover band was playing. The regular club-goers were so put off by the presence of a cover band, they all retreated to the basement bar. The upstairs was abandonded. The band wasn't even all that bad. But they were a COVER BAND. Geez. Dudes, write a song. C'mon already. You can do it.

I'm getting ready to go to a New Years' party where I'll know almost nobody. I may bring a buddy, but I'm inclined to go alone, partly because it's harder that way. The person throwing the party is way cool, and she has a million friends, but I'm sure there will be moments when I'm standing around with my thumb up my butt. I should take the challenge. Hopefully the night won't be a washout.

Aaaaanyway, hope everybody's doing good.

I owe Weaver a debt, and I hope I'll figure a way to pay it. Hi Weaver. Dig me capitalizing your fake name.

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I'm getting ready to go to a New Years' party where I'll know almost nobody. I may bring a buddy, but I'm inclined to go alone, partly because it's harder that way. The person throwing the party is way cool, and she has a million friends, but I'm sure there will be moments when I'm standing around with my thumb up my butt. I should take the challenge. Hopefully the night won't be a washout.
very brave of you, something I have always struggled with myself. I hope you have the time of your life!


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J, I think it was a very "healthy" time for you even with the unhealthy food. You sound wonderful and what a great time with your DD! Made my heart sing. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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GrayCloud,

Well you wanted an update so I will try to make it small as not to ruin the campfire theme.

As you know it has been a battle of wits on my end to save my marriage and of course if you could do it wrong, I did it wrong from LB's to beating up the OM and so forth.

We went through MC's like water until we found a young woman who cared enough to tell us both to grow up and knock it off.

I landed a dream job with Cingular as a District Manager and loving it. The kids are doing great. My oldest Taryn is going on a trip to DC in the summer and has her first Dance coming up.

Cindy and Me are doing actually really well. We spend quality time together at night and go over everything for that day. We provide each other with a daily schedule of events so as we know where each other is every minute of the day.

Cindy calls me once a day on her own and sends me cute emails all day long. We both have a long road ahead of us but so far it seems like a nice walk on a very long road.

I found that life is to short and when I realized that I was fighting for love and not out of being the guy made a fool out of it made a diffrence.

Cindy and I go on dates now and spend as much time as we can with the kids. When I have a bad day she is more caring and understanding.

The mc says we are making what she calls Love leaps and she finds we are back to being somewhat new to life and love.

I wish I had the time to read all 300 pages of your Campfire, So how are you doing my friend?


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Michael,
It is good to know you are truely in recovery.
I was so worried aabout you for so long, but I didn't know how to help.

I think it will be slow over the holiday, it looks like many are off doing other things this week.

Faithful,
You are so sweet. You do know it, don't you?
If you keep on like you are, you will be ok in the long run. Keep talking to us and getting support for the short run.


I need to do better this next year. SS Laughs.
I am sure I will do better.


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Hey kids. I read here, I'm just busy. I write lots of posts and then delete them.

Michael, I'm okay. Thanks for asking. I'm making a good life of it.

There's lots of sorrow, but it's only permanent.

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Hi all.

I am internet-less still , and I am at the public library in town.

Just wanted to say hi and give you an update.

We are all living together at home still. Getting along okay- no violence.

He said that he broke up with her back in November, but evidence suggests otherwise.

I confronted him and he denied it. Went on the offensive, and even denied past things that I had hard evidence for. Stayed out all night and then said that if I accuse him of something he will do it.

So I can't even talk to him about it.

Its an insane game, and I feel like I am going crazy at times. I cry when I am alone.

But there have been moments lately when he has shown me love and tenderness, and he has been great with our daughter. She is much happier than before.

Maybe that is what counts for now.

I hope you are well. I wish I had time to read .

Remember me in prayer please.

Love to all,

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Shul, shul...

I am not out carousing.

I went to a party earlier, but bailed out around 11:00.

I came home and my roommate and his girlfriend came down and rang in the new year with me.

At midnight, when my ex was always gung ho for a big new year's smooch, I had nothing like that, 'cept a kiss on the head from my roommate's girlfriend, who is too cool for the room. Just for the record, this was not some sob sister occasion. I was just as cool as a cuke, and she crawled over and did it. No big whoop.

Anyway, we did a small ritual. A few years ago my oldest brother gave sparrow and me a log for our fireplace. I don't really remember what the point was, but sparrow and I always called it the anniversary log. The tree it came from was cut down the year we were married, I think. It's been there on my porch all this while, but tonight I burned that MF.

I'm listening to my recent favorites, the Staple Singers, doing, Dylan's "A Hard Rain's a-Gonna Fall".

I have been thinking a ton about this idea, which is not new to me, but whose name, called "kenosis", is new.

I think I'm close to forgiving my ex. I'm starting to think I might be able to do it without her help.

But no hurry.

Happy new year. Fire's going. Anniversary log is ashes. New logs is burnin'.

GC

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