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Mrs.Wondering, not worry, really? I thought maybe because I have so much time to prepare, I should anticipate every possible reaction and then create a plan for each one. Is that a bad idea?

Well, I think it would be rather fruitless to try and prepare for something that you can't predict or control...There's no real way to gauge what his reaction will be...Even if you asked HIM in a hypothetical manner he wouldn't be able to tell you what his reaction would be...That's something that is very individual and none of us know what we will do until we are faced with it...You can only control your reaction to his reaction...

Something better that YOU can do is to have a plan about how YOU will protect your weaknesses from now on...What will you do if one of the OMs contacts you? What will you do if some man that you find attractive flirts with you? YOU make plans for YOU...

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And absolutely I won't offer any excuses and if he yells, let him yell. Unless it gets too ugly, then I'll have to take a drive or something till he cools down. Anything I need to work out with him will be an entirely separate conversation.

Very good...NO mitigation regarding your infidelity is most assuredly the way to go...I would suggest that you take ALL of his reaction, drawing the line only at physical abuse...If he flies into a rage, you listen, be respectful and understanding...Keep in mind that he is your VICTIM and act accordingly...Remember that Dr. Harley likens affairs to rape or the death of a child...That is the gravity of this...

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About the name -- hadn't thought of that. I'll do some research and see if I can come up with something else that starts with Aph.



So glad to see that you decided to change your name Aph...I was gonna suggest "Aphairs_Suck"...Not as poetic to be sure...:)


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I don't think I'd want my husband reading my old posts or feeling like there were things he could not post because I might see them. And no offense to LoBoy and HHW but I wouldn't want to fight online either. I should and I will tell him about the site because I'm sure it will help him but I'm thinking maybe we should not know each other's screen names until we are both comfortable with that.

Okay...perhaps at first this is the way to go...I would talk to him about that though...I would let it be his decision whether or not he wants to read what you've posted so far...RADICAL HONESTY...

Mr. W and I have not had a problem mutually posting or arguing on the board, and I've posted some real doozies in my time here...Our philosophy is that it's best to let each individual deal with whatever they feel they need to on the board...It DOES just muck it all up if the two of you start arguing on the board-no one gets the help they are seeking that way...That isn't to say that we don't discuss what each of us posts, because we definitely do...It has helped us to get the thoughts of others AND to see how each of us perceives different things...Anyway, that's just us...we're a couple of nuts! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Mrs.Wondering,

I'll try to fit it in the budget somehow. Any specifics I should ask the Harleys other than explaining the general situation? If it turns out I can only afford one phone call, I want to make sure I ask all the most important questions.

Do EVERYTHING in your power to work this out financially...As far as what you should ask...Well, I'd take Pep's suggestions to you there-you do have some very skewed ideas about marriage...I'd DEFINITELY get advice on how to go about telling your husband...Call the coaching center, they will tell you what you need to fax to Steve regarding your situation before your session takes place...

And Aph, don't take everything said to you here as "cheap shots"...Understand that we all have a different tone, but that you can learn something from most people here-take what you need and leave the rest-this is a good place to start practicing humbleness...The diversity of this board is what makes it so great...See, there are other sites out there that "coddle" WSs, and really that does no good at all...I've read at those places and watched while the folks there remain STUCK in their wayward mindsets...There is no goal...no plan of how to CHANGE...Only commiseration...Know what commiseration is good for? Keeping you stuck in MISERY!!! So learn to appreciation the "toughness" of this site-consider all points of view and realize that that "toughness" is designed to help you get away from the "stinkin' thinkin'" that got you here in the first place...

Lastly, something that took me a long time to get and I feel that you may get stuck there too, so I'll share...YOUR OWN CHOICES ARE WHAT GOT YOU TO THE PLACE YOU ARE IN, IN LIFE...Not all that profound really, but I realized that for a VERY long time in my life I never got the connection between my life circumstances and my choices...that they were and are inextricably bound...I think that many WSs think that life just "happens" to them...Please understand that life is what you MAKE happen to you through a series of your OWN choices...Maybe this does apply to you, maybe not...for me it was a BIGGIE...

Hope something I've said helps...

Mrs. W


FWW ~ 47 ~ Me
FBH ~ 50 ~ MrWondering
DD ~ 17
Dday ~ 2005 ~ Recovered

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First I want to say, thanks everyone <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Pepperband,

Yes, I did emotionally abandon my marriage. I hit a roadblock concerning our sexual incompatibilities, gave up on solving the problem and turned elsewhere.I told myself it was just sex and wouldn't affect my marriage or hurt him as long as I didn't get caught. And yes I know how crazy that sounds NOW but that's what I was thinking at the time. (Why not divorce instead of cheating? Partly because of the kids, partly because I love him, partly because I didn't want to hurt him and partly because divorcing someone over sexual problems seems so shallow.)

Owl,
Can't afford counseling, but maybe when my husband gets his new job we can. They have it free here but only during fall and spring semesters of the university. (The counselors are mostly supervised students.)

Owl and ForeverHers,

I'll get back to you on the research, and if there's an url I'll post it.

ForeverHers,

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If you seriously think that he might attempt suicide, then you MUST NOT reveal the affairs to him on your own. You MUST do so with the aid of a competent counselor.

Has there been any indication of such a depressive state in him before? Has he attempted suicide before?

That's a good idea. We'll see if there is any free counseling where we'll live next. Wherever that will be. He still needs to find a new job. If it becomes necessary, I do have a best friend (woman) in the town where he's staying who could be there when I tell him, although
maybe he wouldn't like that. I'll have to find out what my options are when the time comes.

Although he's never been diagnosed, it is my opinion that he gets depressed every time it's time for him to look for a new job, or anytime there is a major financial crisis. It does not seem to happen at any other time, even when his parents died. I mean he grieved, sure, but the symptoms were not the same. I keep telling him that medication will make him feel so much better but he keeps saying "I'm depressed but not clinically depressed; I just need a job." He did tell me recently that he sometimes feels suicidal because the job situation seems "hopeless." But he is always pessimistic about job searches.

He hasn't ever attempted suicide that I know of. Not unless there was some incident in his past he didn't tell me about, but I don't think there is. He did mention a "nervous breakdown" that had something to do with problems with his ex-wife but I don't remember exactly.

As for delaying, I'm really more the sort of person who likes to get it over with. This business of having to wait is not pleasant for me at all. The sooner I tell him, the sooner I can actually *DO* something to help him recover, but I don't want to make things even worse by being impatient. Early in our marriage I made that mistake often by bringing stuff up when he wasn't ready to hear it and wanting to "resolve" stuff quickly and not giving him a much needed time out. I eventually learned to handle things differently.

MrsWondering,

Yeah plans to protect my weaknesses are a good idea. If an OM contacts me I'll say I can't talk..if I'm pressed I'll say I'm working on my marriage and I don't want him to contact me anymore.

If someone new flirts with me...I guess I can pretend I didn't notice. In the case of a double entendre,
pretend I didn't get the joke. Of course it depends on what we mean by flirt...something really overt might require an "I'm not interested." (I think that is better than "I'm married" because many men just do not care about that, plus it usually means "I'm tempted but..." because otherwise
a woman would just say she's not interested.) If I'm really not interested, then there is no problem anyway.
If he's attractive to me, I should tell my husband about it because once he knows, I'm far less likely to do something stupid. In fact, I can't even imagine messing around with someone my husband already considers suspect. That's way stupid.

Just in general I shouldn't put myself in situations where I might be tempted. In the rare event I leave the house during an argument I will NOT go to a bar.

And I should think of new ideas to solve our sexual incompibility problems, which I have but of course I can't share them with him now because he's so focused on the job search he doesn't want to hear about it. But eventually we'll get to talk about it. This one's tricky because it requires his cooperation. And I"m guessing it's not a topic anyone here would be comfortable with, but if that's the case it's okay...I'll get some books or something.

And yes, I'll let him decide whether he wants to read my posts or let me read his.

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Okay, although I haven't found the actual study YET, I did find this. I know it's a site very biased in favor of marriage, so I will continue looking for the original study.

http://www.foreverfamilies.net/xml/articles/benefitsofmarriage.aspx

About halfway down the page it says:
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The Harm of Divorce

Sadly, between 40% and 50% of all marriages today end in divorce. Legal changes have made divorce easier, and the stigma of divorce has largely disappeared. Divorce can be a downward spiral that is not easily broken; research shows that children of divorced parents are more likely to get divorced themselves.

One common myth about divorce is that children are better off when parents in conflict separate. This is not necessarily true. Only children whose parents have very high conflict experience relief when their parents divorce. Research shows that less than 30% of divorces end these high-conflict marriages. A small minority of divorces benefit children. Most divorces leave children worse off.

Children thrive when they have two parents, as long as the parents are not in high conflict every day. Many people dont realize that bad marriages can improve with time and effort. In fact, most marriages get better over time; permanent unhappiness is very rare. One study found that 86% of couples who stayed together despite difficulties reported being much happier five years after the troubled period.

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Oh, because I don't want to leave a false impression, I just wanted to add that I don't necessarily agree with all the suggestions at the end of that document, and I have not browsed the content on the rest of that site. Just that one page.

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