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"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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Wow!
How very "by the script" this story is.


Originally Posted by Chris Everet the adulteress
"I've also learned, chances are, any relationship that starts out in a dishonest way is not going to work.

"It already had a strike against it."

Evert was asked if she missed Norman.


"Norman" is her adultery/affairage partner.

GUESS WHO SHE MISSES?

And, it ain't the AFFAIRAGE.




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Originally Posted by Dr Willard Harley
"My experience, and the experience of other professionals is that about 95% of all affairs either end by one person deciding to end it, or that it dies a natural death. Of the five percent that end in marriage, about 70% of those end in divorce. There are a host of reasons that romantic relationships that start with an affair are so fragile, but the main reason is that they are based on deceit, thoughtlessness, and dishonesty. Those characteristics eventually find themselves permeating the affair itself. They eventually find themselves being deceitful, thoughtless, and dishonest toward each other."


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I find it interesting that in three marriages she married either within the year or a year after she divorced. Just proves the point no one should get involved within the first year of divorce or separation.

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gg, did you catch that her marriage to Norman was an AFFAIR marriage? She started dating him while married.

Good to see you! smile


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Re the BH...
I read an article somewhere (People?) on this a while back. So I googled Andy Mill, Evert's BH, and found a little article about him somewhere about how he "got the last laugh" describing how crushed he was over the A and the D...but as it turns out, he ended up falling in love and getting engaged!


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Originally Posted by MelodyLane

Mel, I added this link to my unfaithful LURKER thread.
Thanks!

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excerpts from Palm Beach Post here

EXCLUSIVE: Chris Evert�s ex, Andy Mill, says his life�s good!


These days, however, life is good for Andy Mill.

He�s engaged to, and lives with, a 40-year-old Aspen homemaker, Debra Harvick.

She, he says, is the loyal partner he always wanted.

�We do everything together,� Mill said while waiting for a flight to Florida so that he can check on his kids during the current firestorm. �We go hiking. We go bow-hunting. We go fishing. We go camping. She�s beautiful and a world-class chef. Deb has two kids herself.

�I didn�t know this when I got divorced, but I ended up happier than Chris, or Greg for that matter.�

When asked if he was surprised when he heard that Evert and Norman were on the outs, he said: �Nothing surprises me with those two. Look at the trail of destruction they left behind them for this fling.�


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It seems that Greg was Andy's (Chris Evert's ex)best friend. Andy divorced his own wife shortly after meeting Chris.

I have no sympathy for any of these characters.


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Wow, a glimpse into the very real, very predictable destruction that follows an affair.

The destruction always seems to be immediate for the betrayed spouse and children, and then inevitably comes later on for those doing the betraying.

So glad her betrayed ex-spouse is now HAPPIER than he was before.

So glad she's at least admitting to her poor choices and no longer playing the blame and denial game.

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Originally Posted by Dr Willard Harley
"My experience, and the experience of other professionals is that about 95% of all affairs either end by one person deciding to end it, or that it dies a natural death. Of the five percent that end in marriage, about 70% of those end in divorce. There are a host of reasons that romantic relationships that start with an affair are so fragile, but the main reason is that they are based on deceit, thoughtlessness, and dishonesty. Those characteristics eventually find themselves permeating the affair itself. They eventually find themselves being deceitful, thoughtless, and dishonest toward each other."

The statistics researched by Dr. Frank Pittman regarding affairages are even more daunting.

He quotes a 5yr divorce rate of 75% and a 10yr rate of 90%. Undoubtedly a fair number of 2nd/3rd/etc. divorces take place between couples who deny that their relationship began years before as an adulterous affair.

I know a (male) work colleague who is currently going through his 2nd divorce (W#2 is cheating on him and filed). I know for a fact that their relationship began as an office-affair (he was cheating on W#1 at the time) though he has never admitted that.

My xWW still to this day is in denial that her current marriage relationship began as a co-adulterous affair.

Very often these things are sugarcoated or covered-up with affair-denial stories like:

�My (original) marriage was pretty much over anyway�
�We (original marital partners) were separated/just-waiting-for-the-paperwork�
�We (affairage-partners) were just friends back then�
�Our (affair) relationship had nothing to do with the divorce(s)�

It�s pretty uncommon for affairage-partners to freely confess that their current relationship began as home-wrecking adultery & that was the primary driver/motivation for the original divorce(s).


xWW:
Secret LTA w/ thrice married OM at her workplace; EA/PA starts ~ 2005-6
Files & completes D - 2007, OM/OMW#3 D - 2007, Affairage - immediately thereafter
Disappears in 2006 w/o even a goodbye to anyone, Never a paragraph of real truth ever spoken
Me/xBH:
M "for life", Suspicions (denied) & desperate Plan A latter-half '06
1st D-day 1/07, full truth D-day 7/08 (all via 3rd parties)
NC w/ xWW 8/08-date, better off w/o unrepentant vileness, betrayal, & rampant deceit in my life anymore
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Originally Posted by Chris Everet the adulteress
"I've also learned, chances are, any relationship that starts out in a dishonest way is not going to work."


Gee, Chris.........YA THINK?????

Nooo


xWW:
Secret LTA w/ thrice married OM at her workplace; EA/PA starts ~ 2005-6
Files & completes D - 2007, OM/OMW#3 D - 2007, Affairage - immediately thereafter
Disappears in 2006 w/o even a goodbye to anyone, Never a paragraph of real truth ever spoken
Me/xBH:
M "for life", Suspicions (denied) & desperate Plan A latter-half '06
1st D-day 1/07, full truth D-day 7/08 (all via 3rd parties)
NC w/ xWW 8/08-date, better off w/o unrepentant vileness, betrayal, & rampant deceit in my life anymore

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