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I don't know where to begin... I have been with my husband for over 12 yrs. We have both been married before. He has a son from his previous marriage. We went thru four yrs of fertility treatments to have our daughter, who is now 2. We rarely ever argued, everything seemed great. All our family and friends thought we were the perfect family.
When our daughter was 8 months old my husband told me he didn't think he wanted to be married anymore. I was so shocked and heart broken. He was adament that he was not seeing anyone. He said he did not feel like he had his own identity anymore, and he wanted to be own his own. Even though every one thought my husband was the perfect man and would not cheat I started digging. I found a cell number that I didn't reconize and confronted him about it. Of coarse he denied anything. So I looked the number up and It belonged to one of his coworkers.
At this point he did confess to having an (emotional affair). He has also stayed out till the wee hours of the morning twice. We were going to counciling during this time both seperate and together. He wasn't even being totally honest to the counselor. So just a few weeks ago I got him to finally be honest about sleeping with her. I knew deep down but I had to hear him say it.
There have been no repercussions for him. At least he can be honest. None of our family knows. Everyone just thinks he was having an early "midlife crisis". Now he automatically gets defensive if I try to ask him questions about what led up to his affair.
I am just so sick of feeling unsure, hurt and confused about my marriage. I can see that he is trying to show me that he loves me, but I see his guilt and shame and it ruins it. I feel quilty for having feelings of contempt because what he does isn't exactly what I want him to do. Most days I just want to throw in the towell and move on. Has anyone on here still been so stagnant after almost two years and over came these feelings. I refuse to settle for coexisting.
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I don't know where to begin... I have been with my husband for over 12 yrs. We have both been married before. He has a son from his previous marriage. We went thru four yrs of fertility treatments to have our daughter, who is now 2. We rarely ever argued, everything seemed great. All our family and friends thought we were the perfect family.
When our daughter was 8 months old my husband told me he didn't think he wanted to be married anymore. I was so shocked and heart broken. He was adament that he was not seeing anyone. He said he did not feel like he had his own identity anymore, and he wanted to be own his own. Even though every one thought my husband was the perfect man and would not cheat I started digging. I found a cell number that I didn't reconize and confronted him about it. Of coarse he denied anything. So I looked the number up and It belonged to one of his coworkers.
At this point he did confess to having an (emotional affair). He has also stayed out till the wee hours of the morning twice. We were going to counciling during this time both seperate and together. He wasn't even being totally honest to the counselor. So just a few weeks ago I got him to finally be honest about sleeping with her. I knew deep down but I had to hear him say it.
There have been no repercussions for him. At least he can be honest. None of our family knows. Everyone just thinks he was having an early "midlife crisis". Now he automatically gets defensive if I try to ask him questions about what led up to his affair.
I am just so sick of feeling unsure, hurt and confused about my marriage. I can see that he is trying to show me that he loves me, but I see his guilt and shame and it ruins it. I feel quilty for having feelings of contempt because what he does isn't exactly what I want him to do. Most days I just want to throw in the towell and move on. Has anyone on here still been so stagnant after almost two years and over came these feelings. I refuse to settle for coexisting. S1, Welcome to MB. Sorry you are here. If you want to recover your marriage you are in the right place. There are some very hard things you will have to do to get to the point you can begin recovery. The first is that he is going to have to feel the repercussions of what he's done. You will have to expose the affair. Do you know who the other woman is? Is she married? cv
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I refuse to settle for coexisting. \ Hi struggling, welcome to Marriage Builders, sorry you are here. Unfortunately, you won't be just "co-existing" if you sweep this affair under the rug, it will be much worse than that. It will grow and fester until your marriage is destroyed. Affairs are like cancer, and ignoring them doesn't make them go away, it just makes the tumor grow bigger and bigger until it kills you. That is where you are now. In order for your marriage to recover, he needs to end all contact with the OW. That means leaving his job and changing his piss poor boundaries around women. The affair needs to be exposed to everyone, the OW's family, all of your family, his family, his employer, etc. Your H just wants to sweep it under the rug and pretend like nothing happened. If you allow that to happen, you won't have a marriage. Who is this OW? Is she married?
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Does the OW have a facebook page? If so, I would copy and paste all her contacts into a WORD doc for safekeeping. Her family needs to be informed she is screwing a married man.
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Yes I know who the other woman is. She is not married. He left his job immediately after we decided to reconcile our marriage. He has ended all contact with the other woman, he said he even avoids going to the store if he sees she is there. I do believe him. He seems sincere about it. As far as exposing the affair I have been reluctant to do that because I don't want to have to walk around this small town we live in with everyone knowing. Even though I can't stand him getting away scott free. A coworker of his once said to me that ,my husband is the most honest person he knows.
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there. I do believe him. He seems sincere about it. As far as exposing the affair I have been reluctant to do that because I don't want to have to walk around this small town we live in with everyone knowing. struggling, when it comes to an affair, it is not wise to believe your husband. You have to understand how dangerous that kind of thinking is to your marriage. An affair is an addiction and an addict will lie or do anything to cover up an affair. How close do you live to the OW? Every time your husband sees the OW, he will go back to day 1 of recovery. If you live in a small town where he seees her all the time, Dr Harley would suggest moving. The nice thing about exposing an affair is that the more people who know, the more people to hold your husband accountable. It also helps your H learn a lesson and work harder at not repeating the affair. Sweeping it under the rug is not going to work. A coworker of his once said to me that ,my husband is the most honest person he knows. Does the coworker know he is an adulterer? That image is based on a false impression of your husband. You should listen to this radio clip from a man who lost his marriage because he lived close to his OW. ...........this radio clip is the typical outcome when a couple does not move away from the OP. [when they live close by] This WH, Bob, and his OW lived a mile apart and the affair has been on and off for 3 1/2 years. The BW is now divorcing him and their little boy is severely depressed. This is what happens when one ignores Dr Harley's recommendations for NO CONTACT FOR LIFE. We have seen this happen over and over again on the SAA board over the years. clip 1 clip 2 clip 3
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struggling, if you don't move, I would strongly suggest you expose the affair. At least you will have others in the know who can hold your husband accountable. He will have a very hard time staying away from the OW living in the same town. It is doubtful he will be able to stay away from her if he continues to see her around town. In spite of career sacrifices, friendships, and issues relating to children's schooling, I am adamant in recommending that there be no contact with a former lover for life. For many, that means a move to another state. But to do otherwise fails to recognize the nature of addiction and its cure.
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We don't know if R.J. still sees his lover, but he says he has broken off all contact. In many cases where a person is still in town, that's hard to prove. But one thing's for sure, if he ever does see his lover, it will put him in a state of perpetual withdrawal from his addiction, and make the resolution of his marriage essentially impossible. In fact, one of the reasons he is not recovering after three months of separation may be that he is not being truthful about the separation. Entire article at: here How to Survive an Affair chapter in HIS NEEDS, HER NEEDS p. 177 ...I have seen husbands build new and wonderful relationships with their wives but then go back to their lovers after five or six years of what appeared to be marital bliss. When I ask them why, they inevitably tell me they miss the woman terribly and still love her. At the same time they stoutly affirm they love their wives dearly and would not think of leaving them. I believe a man like this has told the truth. He is hopelessly entangled and needs all the help possible to be kept away from his lover and stay faithful to his wife. I often recommend that a man once involved in an affair come in to see me every three to six months on an indefinite basis, just to talk about how things are going and to let me know how successfully he has stayed away from his lover. He must resign himself to a lifetime without her. HE MUST CERTAINLY NOT WORK WITH HIS FORMER LOVER AND SHOULD PROBABLY LIVE IN SOME OTHER CITY OR STATE. Even with those restrictions the desire for her company persists...
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Sweeping the affair under the rug will not solve the problem. Here is what it will take to recover your marriage. The plan I recommend for recovery after an affair is very specific. That's because I've found that even small deviations from that plan are usually disastrous. But when it's followed, it always works. The plan has two parts that must be implemented sequentially. The first part of the plan is for the unfaithful spouse to completely separate from the lover and eliminate the conditions that made the affair possible. The second part is for the couple to create a romantic relationship, using my Basic Concepts as a guide.
I'll describe these two parts to you in a little more detail.
The first step, complete separation from the lover and eliminating the conditions that made the affair possible, requires a complete understanding of the affair. All information regarding the affair must be revealed to the betrayed spouse, including the name of the lover, the conditions that made the affair possible (travel, internet, etc.), the details of what took place during the affair, all correspondence, and anything else that would shed light on the tragedy.
This information is important for two reasons: (1) it creates accountability and transparency, making it essentially impossible for the unfaithful spouse to continue the affair or begin a new one unnoticed, and (2) it creates trust for the betrayed spouse, providing evidence that the affair is over and a new one is unlikely to take its place. The nightmares you experience are likely to continue until you have the facts that will lead to your assurance that your husband can be trusted.
An analysis of the wayward spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. I know why people have affairs: We are all wired for it. Given certain conditions, we would all do it. Given other conditions, however, none of us would do it. So the goal of the first step is to discover the conditions that made the affair possible and eliminate them.
After the first step is completed, the second step is to create a romantic relationship between you and your husband using my 10 Basic Concepts here as your guide. While your relationship may be improving, it won't lead to a romantic relationship because you are not being transparent toward each other. Unspoken issues in a marital relationship lead to a superficiality that ruins romance.
Your nightmares are only the tip of the iceberg. They are but a small reflection of the suffering you experienced when you discovered your husband's affair, and the fear you have that the suffering will be repeated. You have no assurance that the affair is over because you don't even know who the other woman is. You are being asked to trust your husband, who has already proven to be untrustworthy. For all you know, he could be working with her, or you could be going to the same church, or she could be your neighbor. And since he won't discuss the details of how the affair took place, you have no assurance that another affair will not take its place.
Infidelity is not something that can be swept under the rug. While those who have affairs want to forget about it and move on, those who are betrayed must take very specific steps before they can fully recover. In your case, those steps have not been taken, and as a result, your fear persists. I will send you a complimentary copy of my book, "Surviving an Affair," if you send me your address. It will describe these two steps to you and provide you with a roadmap toward full recovery. But the path will require full disclosure of all details. http://forum.marriagebuilders.com/ubbt/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2311122#Post2311122
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He left his job about a year and a half ago. It put a horrible financial burden on us for about 4 months. Which also was another hit to his self esteem. That made it difficult for us to be romantic because it was very hard for me to pat him on the back and tell him he would find another good job in this little town and the current state of the economy. This was about a year and a half ago. Melody my husbands coworker did not know about the affair. The affair has been ended for over a year and a half. I was working at night then, now I work during the day. I check all his email accounts, facebook, phone records periodically. I do not think he is having any contact with her. I have to start trusting at some point. So you are saying I should expose him and her even though I initially found out over ayear ago. I just found out for sure they were sleeping together last week. Merry Christmas to me! I am really afraid of what my mother might do if she finds out. She kept calling my exbrother-inlaws job harrassing him and calling in bogus complaints until he got fired. That job cost my sister and him everything they had and they still ended up divorced because she wouldn't leave it alone. She was also calling DFACS on them at least twice a month. I do not want to have to deal with that on top of the infidelty. He has initiated the conversation of moving quit a few times. I work as a Registered Sleep Technologist and have a day position where I am. Only about 1% of the people in the field have that oportunity and I am very reluctant to give that up because he couldn't control himself. I haven't even thought about him loving since I first found out until I read your reply. He always seemed to be struggling so much after and he seems detatched from the situation when he talks about it now. He did tell me that he told her we were still sleeping together when they were and that wasn't much of an issue for her. I keep thinking what kind of sick person was he involved with.
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He has initiated the conversation of moving quit a few times. I work as a Registered Sleep Technologist and have a day position where I am. Only about 1% of the people in the field have that oportunity and I am very reluctant to give that up because he couldn't control himself. Your H is right. You need to move away if he is to really recover. I would try and find another job in some other town. The fact is that he could not control himself WITH HER, so leaving him within arms reach will be a disaster because he will be perpetually triggered. And yes, I would expose the affair to your [OWN] families. Your husband can explain to them what he has done. You need their support and they need to understand why you need to move.
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I guess the hardest thing for me to get with the rebuilding process is the constant comparison to addicts. I never really looked at that way. I guess because I don't walk around and see other men that I have slept with before my husband and I were married and think "man I sure would like to get some more of that."
His family was very supportive to me when he first told me he wanted a divorce. I did call them out of knee jerk reaction. i don't know if he will agree tell his mom and step dad or not.
Thanks so much for the advice.
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I guess the hardest thing for me to get with the rebuilding process is the constant comparison to addicts. I never really looked at that way. I guess because I don't walk around and see other men that I have slept with before my husband and I were married and think "man I sure would like to get some more of that." I think once you GET the addiction component to affairs, you will understand why it is so important to keep him away from her. Affairs are addictions, whereas your failed relationships when you were dating were not. They were not based on fantasy and fueled by secrecy. It is real important to understand the difference. His family was very supportive to me when he first told me he wanted a divorce. I did call them out of knee jerk reaction. i don't know if he will agree tell his mom and step dad or not. If he is seriously remorseful, he won't have a problem with this. Your family and his can't support you if they don't understand what the real problem is. There is no reason whatsoever to keep this affair a secret, and there are lots of reasons NOT to keep it a secret.
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Has anyone on here still been so stagnant after almost two years and over came these feelings. I refuse to settle for coexisting. Yes. I think it was closer to about a year and a half. I was really struggling and kept searching for help until I eventually found MB. This place taught me how to rebuild the love and respect in my marriage. Read this: Can't we just forgive and forgetIs OW married? Who on her side knows about her adultery?
ME: BW HIM: FWH Married 18 yrs DDay 09/2008 and 12/2008
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struggling, I just re-read your thread and here is where I would focus. You are limping along because there is no plan for recovery. Your marriage is worse off now than before the affair. And it will get worse if you don't have a plan. I would focus on that and also insist that he expose the affair to your families. That will give you some much needed support and there will be more people to hold him accountable. If he resists exposing to them then I strongly question his sincerity. Here is what it will take to recover your marriage. I would also read the article pokerface linked. That is very appropriate for your situation. The plan I recommend for recovery after an affair is very specific. That's because I've found that even small deviations from that plan are usually disastrous. But when it's followed, it always works. The plan has two parts that must be implemented sequentially. The first part of the plan is for the unfaithful spouse to completely separate from the lover and eliminate the conditions that made the affair possible. The second part is for the couple to create a romantic relationship, using my Basic Concepts as a guide.
I'll describe these two parts to you in a little more detail.
The first step, complete separation from the lover and eliminating the conditions that made the affair possible, requires a complete understanding of the affair. All information regarding the affair must be revealed to the betrayed spouse, including the name of the lover, the conditions that made the affair possible (travel, internet, etc.), the details of what took place during the affair, all correspondence, and anything else that would shed light on the tragedy.
This information is important for two reasons: (1) it creates accountability and transparency, making it essentially impossible for the unfaithful spouse to continue the affair or begin a new one unnoticed, and (2) it creates trust for the betrayed spouse, providing evidence that the affair is over and a new one is unlikely to take its place. The nightmares you experience are likely to continue until you have the facts that will lead to your assurance that your husband can be trusted.
An analysis of the wayward spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. I know why people have affairs: We are all wired for it. Given certain conditions, we would all do it. Given other conditions, however, none of us would do it. So the goal of the first step is to discover the conditions that made the affair possible and eliminate them.
After the first step is completed, the second step is to create a romantic relationship between you and your husband using my 10 Basic Concepts here as your guide. While your relationship may be improving, it won't lead to a romantic relationship because you are not being transparent toward each other. Unspoken issues in a marital relationship lead to a superficiality that ruins romance.
Your nightmares are only the tip of the iceberg. They are but a small reflection of the suffering you experienced when you discovered your husband's affair, and the fear you have that the suffering will be repeated. You have no assurance that the affair is over because you don't even know who the other woman is. You are being asked to trust your husband, who has already proven to be untrustworthy. For all you know, he could be working with her, or you could be going to the same church, or she could be your neighbor. And since he won't discuss the details of how the affair took place, you have no assurance that another affair will not take its place.
Infidelity is not something that can be swept under the rug. While those who have affairs want to forget about it and move on, those who are betrayed must take very specific steps before they can fully recover. In your case, those steps have not been taken, and as a result, your fear persists. I will send you a complimentary copy of my book, "Surviving an Affair," if you send me your address. It will describe these two steps to you and provide you with a roadmap toward full recovery. But the path will require full disclosure of all details. http://forum.marriagebuilders.com/ubbt/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2311122#Post2311122
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Pokerface the OW is not married and I don't know who she has told abot the affair, but she has not been exposed. I have read the Can't we just forgive and forget. That is actually found this site. That is what I had typed in my browser. After reading that I asked my husband to please be honest about everything about his affair. That is when he told me about sleeping with her. I did not however ask for all the information about how the affair was able to take place. That is a fault on my part. I was trying not to push to much because that is the most open and forthcoming he has been about it.
Melody you are right we do not really have a plan for recovery. My H has started coming home for lunch if I am here and calls and lets me know if he has to leave work to go to another location and then when he leaves to go back to his home office. That gets a little old to me sometimes. As far as building a romantic relantionship my head was spinning after reading that again. The 15 hrs of undivided attention each week. "WOW" We may get 30 min most days. We have four children at home now. Two that are ours and two of our nephews. H did get a bottle of wine for us and build a fire outside after all the kids were in bed. I think were both to tired to really enjoy it.
We are going to see H's parents in a couple of weeks and I think that will be a good time for him to come clean to them about the affair. That way he can get the full effect.
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Melody you are right we do not really have a plan for recovery. My H has started coming home for lunch if I am here and calls and lets me know if he has to leave work to go to another location and then when he leaves to go back to his home office. That gets a little old to me sometimes. As far as building a romantic relantionship my head was spinning after reading that again. The 15 hrs of undivided attention each week. "WOW" We may get 30 min most days. We have four children at home now. Two that are ours and two of our nephews. H did get a bottle of wine for us and build a fire outside after all the kids were in bed. I think were both to tired to really enjoy it. Yet that is what it takes to just SUSTAIN the love in a marriage. Most marriages don't recover from affairs and this is a big reason why. Most couples just REFUSE to put their marriage first. Everything else comes first, kids, jobs, cleaning the dog kennel, everything else, so they fall out of love. Most couples fall out of love in about 5 years if nothing is done to maintain that love. It takes 15 hours per week of undivided attention to just MAINTAIN and 20-25 to CREATE. Can you imagine falling in love with someone if you only spent 1 or 2 hours a week with them? It wouldn't be possible. We are going to see H's parents in a couple of weeks and I think that will be a good time for him to come clean to them about the affair. That way he can get the full effect. Thats good! If you are interested in recovering your marriage, though, let me know and we can help you with the correct steps. Having no plan is a plan to fail, though. Recovery NEVER happens by accident. And like I said, most marriages do not recover because they have no plan. They limp along in a crippled state of the pre-affair marriage and are more vulnernable to an affair after than before. We have lots of marriages that show up back here with repeat affairs because they never went through recovery. One current repeat affair is Estrala. Another recent one is senninpa.
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Melody I would definately like help with the correct steps. I think we are both willing at this point.
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There are a few ways to do this. If you are very self disciplined and are willing to really put the time into your marriage, you can do it on your own. That is the cheapest way to do it. The most expensive, but best way is to go through the MB program. [that is what my H and I did and it really does work] That program costs $995 and they send you all the books, CDs. You go through a series of video courses given by Dr Harley. With that course they assign you a marriage coach who guides you through the lessons and gives you tests to make sure you are on the right track. You also get access to Dr Harley on the private forum. Another effective way is to get phone counseling with the Harleys. That runs about $200 a session. If you want to try to do it on your own, I would get the books Surviving an Affair, Lovebusters and the workbook, Five Steps to Romantic Love. You would start with SAA, read a few chapters every night on your own. You would highlight things that seem important to you in pink and he would highlight in yellow. Follow the lessons in the book. You can also listen to the free radio show every day at any time. Dr Harley has a radio show and he answers questions on it for free. It is very, very informative. In the back of the workbook is the undivided attention worksheet. Your undivided attention time that you spend together is the MOST IMPORTANT step of this whole program. The program does not work without it. I would rip out that sheet and make copies. It is much harder to put aside that is actually scheduled so I would get into the habit of scheduling it. So I would start there by scheduling 20+ hours per week of UA time. You can use some of that time to do your lessons. I know it seems shocking, but you really can find 20+ hours of alone time if you start prioritizing your marriage and putting less important things second. Line up babysitters and get out 3 to 4 nights a week. It will truly make a huge difference. Print out these articles for your husband so he can understand why this time is so important to your recovery. The Policy of Undivided Attention Caring for Children Means Caring for Each Other
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I don't see getting out 3 or 4 nights a week being very realistic. H works 10-12hrs a day. Most days he is asleep within 2hrs of being home during the week. He already looks exhausted all the time and has been looking emotionally beat down since this last disclosure. I think we are probably at 4hrs this week so far which is better than usual considering the four children we have at home. We are going to a concert this weekend but it is with friends.
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When I asked H which of his needs that were not being met, he said he didn't feel like he could do what he wanted to. He also said he felt trapped. He doesn't have any real friends. He hasn't since his first marriage when his best friend and brother in law slept with his exwife. I have tried to get him to be more specific, but he keeps saying, "its exactly what I told you." When I asked him what he wanted to do that he didn't think I would go along with, he would say "I'm not sure" What am I suppose to do with I don't know?
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