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Reading the Exposure 101. Thinking about it very seriously.
As for the pastor friend he went to school and is a counselor as his vocation but is ordained as a minister. His focus is not Affairs, but he deals with Sexual Abuse and suicide. I'm not trying to find excuses for my wife but the abuse and past attempt at suicide to escape the abuse are issues to look at also. While my friend like Harley and understands why the need for his process he says its hard to have a blanket strategy for everyone. We are all complex beings. The fact my wife has agreed to see a therapist is earth shattering. She has been suffering major depression for the last several months and is on medication, but I know her and worry this public announcement would destroy her very private life. She had been so fragile and have been worried about her hurting herself this could put her over the edge so I really need to think about it.
Yes I love this women with all my heart and its a truly sacrificial love. I not willing to loose her to another man and I know the OM is not going to leave his wife and kids. Yet I am willing to loose her to get out from this darkness that has consumed her since a child and teen years. It would rip my heart apart even more to loose this women who has been my best friend, lover, and wife for over a quarter century. But if she can find that inner peace and happiness that everyone deserves I would sacrifice my marriage for that.
So I do believe that God has really been working in both our lives and the amount she has opened up has been incredible. So I am torn about how to go about. She is turning in her 2 week notice on Monday.
I will spend the next week preparing and reading in addition to prayer. She has her first therapist session on Tuesday and we see our MC on Thursday.
Maybe I am being a fool, but it is my belief and most of the evidence supports that this had just gotten started and lasted about 2 weeks before I discovered it.
Thanks for all the advice and I will continue to read the information here and to prepare
Reading the Exposure 101. Thinking about it very seriously.
As for the pastor friend he went to school and is a counselor as his vocation but is ordained as a minister. His focus is not Affairs, but he deals with Sexual Abuse and suicide. I'm not trying to
The advice we are giving you is from Dr. Bill Harley, clinical psychologist with 45 years experience, whose speciality is infidelity. He has written 17 books on marriage and has saved thousands of marriages using these concepts. Dr.Harley supervises this board.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt
Maybe I am being a fool, but it is my belief and most of the evidence supports that this had just gotten started and lasted about 2 weeks before I discovered it.
Your plan actually makes her depression worse. The reason? Affairs cause great depression and by enabling her affair, you help it thrive and grow. So, in many ways you are contributing to her demise.
You don't know what you are doing, and as such, are scrabbling around opinion shopping for the path of least resistance. That would be fine if you understood what you were doing, but you don't.
Here is the problem with your plan. Your goal is to stay within your comfort zone. You are cherry picking methods/bad advice that seem somewhat reasonable but still keep you in that comfort zone. The reason this doesn�t work is because you don�t know what will save your marriage; you have no expertise. Neither do the people with whom you are approaching. You have never been through it so you don�t know what works and what doesn�t work.
Your goal is primarily to stay within your comfort zone and ours is to save your marriage. We have saved our own marriages using Dr. Harley�s tried and true concepts and have helped many others do the same. While there are no guarantees, we do know what will give you the best chance.
We can help you, but you have to first put aside you own uneducated, biased notions, all these other programs and books and LISTEN. If you can�t listen, we can�t help you. And if you aren�t here to listen, then you are wasting our valuable free time. You are most certainly wasting yours while your marriage crumbles.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt
The fact my wife has agreed to see a therapist is earth shattering. She has been suffering major depression for the last several months and is on medication, but I know her and worry this public announcement would destroy her very private life. She had been so fragile and have been worried about her hurting herself this could put her over the edge so I really need to think about it.
Oh man. Your wife's depression for the last several months IS (or is exacerbated) because of her affair. That is NORMAL.
Your case is not SPECIAL or different. Almost every person who comes here thinks that way.
I thought that way! My ex H was depressed and had been acting funny previous to his first affair because his best friend had committed suicide recently. He had all kinds of childhood issues and a history of depression.
I talked to Dr Harley on the radio show about this exact issue - a wayward wanting to go to therapy to work on childhood issues. He said it would not help our marriage, it doesn't change his approach at all. Therapy is not going to convince your wayward wife to become truthful or to end her affair.
Exposure is your best shot of getting your wife out of this mess (her affair) which will actually HELP her depression.
I bought Dave Carders boom as well as the Glass book, I know have the Harley book
This has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. You are still ignoring me.
You have Dr. Harley's book, but you haven't read it. You probably don't even have the right book - he has written many books (almost twenty), but the one you want is Surviving an Affair.
I didn't say anything in the world about Dave Carders or Glass. OTHER PLANS DON'T WORK. Do you want to keep your marriage? Then stick to the plan that actually works.
MOST MARRIAGE COUNSELORS ARE DISMAL FAILURES. But they sell books anyway.
Let me post again for the third time a list of things that can help you. I mentioned the free video from Dr. Harley, which you ignored, and the free radio show, which you also ignored.
Originally Posted by markos
You totally ignored me, but if you had checked out these resources it would have helped.
My life is too short to help people who ignore free videos and the radio show and who won't get the book. If you will get these resources I will be glad to help you work the plan that is in them. It is the only plan that works.
Originally Posted by markos
Originally Posted by 747Bubba
As far as no more travel that's not a realistic option really. You might gather what I do from the screen name.
Hi, 747, welcome to Marriage Builders. We are glad to have you but sorry for what brings you here.
Have you obtained Dr. Harley's book Surviving an Affair, yet? Have you watched Dr. Harley's video about infidelity?
Dr. Harley has been working with couples who have been through infidelity for decades. He has seen what will allow a marriage to recover and what won't. I'm sorry to say that if a couple insists that they have to have nights apart for some reason, it's a known fact that their marriage is not going to make it. You can keep the job - but don't expect to keep your marriage if you do, friend.
If you are serious about saving your marriage, you can't get it all on this forum. You've got to listen to the Marriage Builders Radio show, every day. Install the app!
Married to my radiant trophy wife, Prisca, 19 years. Father of 8. Attended Marriage Builders weekend in May 2010
Positives she has opened all email (that I know about) and social media to me. We put a gps tracker on her phone. She is trying to be as transparent as possible.
You do NOT understand the ugly and addictive nature of affairs. At all.
All the "positives" in the world do not make up for an active affair where the affairees still see each other at work.
You have absolutely no clue what you are doing and are actually making a fixable situation much worse. To make matters worse you are listening to a "friend" who has also has absolutely no experience in saving marriages in the throes of an affair who is advising you to avoid doing the "uncomfortable" parts of MB which is exactly what you need to kill this affair dead.
Without Ny concrete proof about actual sex it could have been just the kiss and it did scare her away. Now do believe that if I had not found out when I did it would have lead to a full blown affair.
I already told you this earlier in the thread. This was a physical full blown affair. You have evidence of her coming in at 1 am.
You are in a complete BS fog.
I hope someone can get through to you. I personally do not have time anymore for folks who aren't here to follow the plan. If I see you are on board with exposure, I will come back to try to help you.
I will spend the next week preparing and reading in addition to prayer. She has her first therapist session on Tuesday and we see our MC on Thursday.
Marriage counselors have an 84% failure rate and actually have a higher divorce rate then the general population. That is the reason that Dr. Harley developed his program. He was shocked at how ineffective and destructive traditional marriage counseling actually is. He felt it was unethical to charge people money to wreck their marriages. He did not charge people again until he could give them a plan that really does work. MC's have no earthly idea how to save marriages and are more accurately defined as divorce facilitators.
Individual therapy is even more destructive because their advice is based on the feelings du jour of the client, against the best interest of the marriage. Since they don't understand the dynamics of infidelity, namely the FOG - which is a temporary state of mind - they help the client make marriage wrecking decisions. It is like counseling a falling down drunk. His desires while under the influence are vastly different than while sober.
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So I do believe that God has really been working in both our lives and the amount she has opened up has been incredible. So I am torn about how to go about. She is turning in her 2 week notice on Monday.
I do believe that God led you here like he led many thousands before you. I thank God for leading me here because it saved my marriage. But God cannot help you if you won't listen. He led you to the most successfully engineered marriage program there is and you are instead, relying on your OWN COUNSEL.
The same counsel that led you into this terrible place.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt
I will spend the next week preparing and reading in addition to prayer. She has her first therapist session on Tuesday and we see our MC on Thursday.
I pray you will LISTEN to God instead of your own untrained voice because all this "counseling" is a distraction from working on your marriage problems. You are a PILOT, you are not a specialist in marriages, yet you are following your OWN PLAN. Would you trust me, a soft drink executive, if I told you I had my own plan to fly your 747? Because that is what you are doing.
Originally Posted by Dr Harley
As a clinical psychologist who has been in direct therapy with 50,000 individuals and supervised over 600 counselors, I have not found that resolving issues of the past does much to help people deal with issues of the present. In most cases I've witnessed, it makes matters worse because it drags the most unpleasant experiences of the past into the present. I know that my perspective is in conflict with many therapists who are trained to treat the past before they can treat the present, but I have yet to see any convincing evidence that this approach is more effective than letting the past stay in the past. My personal experience is that dredging up the past actually increases the risk of suicide and other dangerous symptoms of mental disorders.
Another important reason that I am opposed to bringing up issues of the past is that it wastes time. When you could be forming an effective plan and putting the plan into motion to resolve an issue of the present, you spend months, and even years focused on the past while the problems of the present keep building up, eventually burying the client.
In your situation, I strongly recommend that you not waste your time talking about the past. And don't try analyzing your husband. I know that his affair was a terrible shock to your system, and you want to feel closure. You have been terribly disillusioned by what he did, but the best you can do under the circumstances is look to the future instead of the past. Don't discuss the past with your husband or anyone else for a while, and see if you don't agree with me that it helps improve your relationship and it also causes you to be more relaxed. Focusing on the past causes depression, while focusing on the future with an eye to making it successful causes optimism and gives you energy. here
Originally Posted by Dr Harley
"Some counselors think it's a good idea to "resolve issues of the past" by talking about them week after week, month after month, year after year. It keeps these counselors in business, but does nothing to resolve the issue. In fact, it usually makes their poor clients chronically depressed.
My experience as a Clinical Psychologist has proven to me that dredging up unpleasant experiences of the past merely brings the unhappiness of the past into the present. The problems of the present are difficult enough to solve without spending time and energy trying to resolve issues of the past, which are essentially unresolvable. You can make your future happy, but you can't do a thing about bad experiences of the past, except think and talk about them -- and that makes the bad experiences of the past, bad experiences of the present." Dr. Willard Harley
An analysis of the wayward spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. I know why people have affairs: We are all wired for it. Given certain conditions, we would all do it. Given other conditions, however, none of us would do it. So the goal of the first step is to discover the conditions that made the affair possible and eliminate them.
One of the reasons I'm not so keen on dredging up the past as a part of therapy is that it brings up memories that carry resentment along with them. If I'm not careful, a single counseling session can open up such a can of worms that the presenting problem gets lost in a flood of new and painful memories. If the goal of therapy is to "resolve" every past issue, that seems to me to be a good way to keep people coming for therapy for the rest of their lives. That's because it's an insurmountable goal. We simply cannot resolve everything that's ever bothered us.
Instead, I tend to focus my attention on the present and the future, because they are what we can all do something about. The past is over and done with. Why waste our effort on the past when the future is upon us. Granted, it's useful to learn lessons from the past, but if we dwell on the past, we take our eyes off the future which can lead to disaster.
I personally believe that therapy should focus most attention, not on the past, but on ways to make the future sensational.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt
I have the correct book, and watched the video. Been reading Exposure 101 Question When do I do this at night are start this afternoon. She is downstairs writing out the history of what and when it happened. Should I call his spouse first? Will read the Exposure 101 again
I have the correct book, and watched the video. Been reading Exposure 101 Question When do I do this at night are start this afternoon. She is downstairs writing out the history of what and when it happened. Should I call his spouse first? Will read the Exposure 101 again
I would start by contacting his spouse. IF you call her, you should disguise your # using *67 so you don't give her husband a heads up. Can you drive to her house and expose to her in person? You could then go to a coffee shop with wifi and do the rest of your exposures in peace and quiet.
After you expose to the OM's wife, I would call/email your family member using the talking points in my exposure 101 thread. You are not calling to gossip/condemn but to ask for their support. I would give them the details of the affair and give them the OM's name.
Expose the affair to the OM's family and friends on his facebook page.
I know you don't want to believe this, but this is a sexual affair. You need to just say she is having an affair and don't try to minimize it by saying it is an "emotional affair." You don't have to take my word for this, just set up a polygraph test and you will find out it was sexual.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt
Don't forewarn your wife of this exposure plan. Let her find out afterwards. I would also suggest that your wife not return to work again. She should NEVER see the OM again.
Ask her to send him a no contact letter as outlined in SAA:
Originally Posted by Dr Bill Harley
My advice is to write a final letter in a way that the victimized spouse would agree to send it. It should begin with a statement of how selfish it was to cause those they loved so much pain, and while marital reconciliation cannot completely repay the offense, it's the right thing to do. A statement should be made about how much the unfaithful spouse cares about his spouse and family, and for their protection, has decided to completely end the relationship with the lover. He or she has promised never to see or communicate with the lover again in life, and asks the lover to respect that promise. Nothing should be said about how much the lover will be missed. After the letter is written, the victimized spouse should read and approve it before it is sent.
OW, I want you to know that out of respect and love for my wife and children, I have come to realize that I must never see or talk to you again. My relationship with you was a cruel indulgence that BS did not deserve. While I cannot completely repay BS for the pain I caused her, I will do my best to become the husband she has been missing. I care a great deal for my family and I would not want to do anything to risk their happiness. I will not make any further contact with you and I do not want you to make any contact with me. Please respect my desire to end our relationship.
Sincerely, XXXXX
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt
Ok so started to get information together for exposure. Was thinking about it for a few days for a couple reasons. First do I want to stay married, I really want to spend some time to figure that one out. I spend time doing stuff that requires my full attention. And concentration and not sure if I can ever trust again. If not staying together would like to gather more Intel to support my position.
Will be honest some of her recent actions have surprised me. She is turning in two week notice tomorrow and said will try and do most of the work to finish up from home. She called another lady from church Bible study to the house today and invited her for lunch. She exposed herself to her and in front of me. Agreed to expose to another older lady who I greatly respect and trusted and to have both as accountability partners. She posted something on her FB page about major sin and need for forgiveness. The changes I've seen in my wife the last week are amazing. Have never seen her so open before.
The OMs spouse lives about 4.5 hours away, been trying to find the phone number to call this week. Can't believe my wife had already un-friended him on FB. Was working on a nice post. His privacy settings will not let me see his friends list or make post now.
As for family we don't have children and our parents are gone. Uncles and Aunts are gone and not really close to cousins.
Ok so started to get information together for exposure. Was thinking about it for a few days for a couple reasons. First do I want to stay married, I really want to spend some time to figure that one out. I spend time doing stuff that requires my full attention. And concentration and not sure if I can ever trust again. If not staying together would like to gather more Intel to support my position.
Exposure should be done regardless of your decision. You have plenty of time to decide if you want to divorce or not.
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not sure if I can ever trust again
You shouldn't trust again. Instead you should affair proof your marriage so it doesn't happen again. If you don't do that, you can look forward to more affairs in your future. Your traveling job was the mitigating factor behind her affair. If that doesn't change, this won't be the last affair.
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She is turning in two week notice tomorrow and said will try and do most of the work to finish up from home.
So she will see her boyfriend again? When will her affair end? the fact that she is going to work with him for 2 more weeks is a bad sign, not a good sign. Especially since the OM's wife does not know about the affair. Since you are helping your wife and her lover hide the affair, the OM's wife and children are not safe.
That is good for the affair, but not good for your marriage or the OMW marriage. I assure you the OMW will have serious questions about WHY you did not tell her sooner. It is a serious ethical question.
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Can't believe my wife had already un-friended him on FB. Was working on a nice post. His privacy settings will not let me see his friends list or make post now.
You should be able to see some of his friends via the "likes" on his fb pages and put together a list. You can also gather exposure targets like his parents, siblings from his wife and children's fb pages.
And you don't "make a FB post;" you send private messages to his family and friends on facebook. The exposure 101 thread has very specific instructions.
Exposure targets would be close family and friends. If your family is all dead, you would certainly expose to close friends.
One necessary step your wife will have to take would be to eliminate the fb page. That an open avenue that can be breached by her lover.
What day did you have planned for exposure?
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt
I want to emphasize a critical factor here, unless your wife sees that you are serious about saving your marriage, she won't be serious. So far, you have taken no steps to end the affair and help your marriage recover.. The fact that your wife will be working with the OM for 2 weeks and you haven't even told his wife is utterly amazing.
That honestly reflects a lack of seriousness on your part.
What steps have been taken about your traveling job?
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt
Ok so started to get information together for exposure. Was thinking about it for a few days for a couple reasons. First do I want to stay married, I really want to spend some time to figure that one out.
This doesn't make sense. You've been posting here since May while your WW goes off to work with the OM and trying to get her to end her affair by avoiding exposure. It's more likely that you are just, again, stalling.
Regardless, did you see anywhere on this site that you should delay exposure while you decide what to do with the marriage? No, you did not. Because you end the affair FIRST and then make those kinds of decisions.
You need to get serious, here, or people are going to start abandoning your thread.
Will be honest some of her recent actions have surprised me. She is turning in two week notice tomorrow and said will try and do most of the work to finish up from home. She called another lady from church Bible study to the house today and invited her for lunch. She exposed herself to her and in front of me. Agreed to expose to another older lady who I greatly respect and trusted and to have both as accountability partners. She posted something on her FB page about major sin and need for forgiveness. The changes I've seen in my wife the last week are amazing. Have never seen her so open before.
The OMs spouse lives about 4.5 hours away, been trying to find the phone number to call this week. Can't believe my wife had already un-friended him on FB. Was working on a nice post. His privacy settings will not let me see his friends list or make post now.
None of this in any way changes the advice on the site to expose far and wide.
1) The affair is ongoing - the affairees still work together.
2) The wayward spouse does not expose "themselves" to the people they want to - you expose the affair to the people that are suggested in the Exposure 101 thread without the wayward spouse's input or knowledge.
3) The OM's BW must be informed - no matter what. We don't want to hear excuses about why you can't find her, etc. This should have been done immediately. It's Dr Harley's advice, on the Exposure 101 thread and you've been advised of this specifically on this thread.
It's sickening to me when a BS shows up here delaying this exposure to prevent rocking the boat with a WS. You have now become part of the victimization of the OM's BW by not informing her and allowing her to continue being harmed. Get this done, now.
4) Your WW's unfriending of OM really doesn't mean anything. We have WS use tactics such as this and becoming very loving and kind to the BS when they catch wind the BS is going to possibly expose the affair to the OM's BW - because they KNOW that will kill the affair DEAD in its tracks. So they do whatever they can to get the BS to believe they are ending the affair on their own and BACK OFF.
You need to start listening to the advice on the thread and keep trying to cut corners. Cutting corners does not work when trying to recover after an affair.
So I understand everyone frustration with me dragging my feet. I also understand the frustration for me saying that we are different, everyone seems to feel that way. There have been some major developments since my last post.
She had made the commitment to turn in her two week notice, but said she was just going to tell them she could work through this week at office and finish up the last week at home. Told me the OM would be out of town this week so that's why she would finish up this week at office. I've been driving her back and forth to work and we've been doing most lunches together. She called me two hours early yesterday and asked me to pick her up at a bookstore down the road from work yesterday. When I picked her up she told me that the OM had gotten back into town and as soon as she found out she walked out of the office and called me. Told me that since he was back sooner than expected she would tell them in the morning that she would have to quit sooner.
Then we had another issue come up, that involves me and will result in me being at home at least 3 months. Anyway while working on gathering the evidence to put in my exposure message I found the OM's wife FB page and spent some time looking at post. Two of the dates I was sure my wife was with the OM there are pictures of the OM and wife at a wedding several states away. So I have been able to account for all the questionable dates but the two days of the week I returned and found the first text.
Those days I did see that she left our community and went to his house for a couple hours. The previous three months (that's as far back as I can get our gate information) there aren't the late nights and her coming or leaving. Those are the two nights that she has said she went to his house for the last couple weeks. This second day was when she said he kissed her and she realized that he wanted more than she did and that she knew she had to break it off then. Said that he then started sending her text that he loved her. Which is why she destroyed the Sim card and deleted everything. Said she was afraid I would really hurt him if I saw that. Now that was a very high probability of being true. The gov has spent money teaching me to protect myself and hurt others, and I have done that before. So to be honest that is a very valid concern.
She swears that is the only contact and when I asked her if she would be willing to do a polygraph she said that she would now. The first time I asked her to take one to prove her innocence she refused.
Yes has she had contact with the OM at work, but I know they haven't been meeting after work or before. So yes there has been emotional contact there has not been physical.
I was the one who picked who she would disclose to.
Again I'm sure everyone is tired of me, but for the first time I actually feel as though she is being open about what happened
Will tell you that about 13 or 14 years ago we had to live apart for longer than normal. During that time found out that they had been having dinner with a single member of the opposite sex and that they had gone to dinner together and even to a movie. They were renting and watching movies at the other persons home and spending a lot of time together sometimes as late as 12. Always swore that while it was wrong what they did looking back, but that there had never been any physical contact of any kind.
Just really frustrated and confused and in a FOG from pain medications now. The reason for the 3 months at least at home is that I've now had an accident and waiting for them to come in and tell me when they are doing some reconstructive surgery on a leg.
Sir, we can't help you if you won't follow the program. I have no idea what the point of your post is. We don't care if the OMW was with the the OM on some weekend in question, we care that you expose the affair. I am unclear why this is taking so long. It should take no longer than one afternoon to gather your exposure target information and expose the affair.
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She swears that is the only contact and when I asked her if she would be willing to do a polygraph she said that she would now. The first time I asked her to take one to prove her innocence she refused.
Did you schedule the polygraph? EVERY wayward spouse agrees to take the polygraph in the hopes that the agreement will inspire the BS to drop it. The trouble comes when the BS actually schedules it and follows through. You should get this scheduled right away. Your wife did have a sexual affair. I know you dont' want to believe this, but I assure you she did.
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Will tell you that about 13 or 14 years ago we had to live apart for longer than normal. During that time found out that they had been having dinner with a single member of the opposite sex and that they had gone to dinner together and even to a movie. They were renting and watching movies at the other persons home and spending a lot of time together sometimes as late as 12. Always swore that while it was wrong what they did looking back, but that there had never been any physical contact of any kind.
I am not sure why you believe nothing happened but it is something that can be asked on the polygraph. You have so much evidence that your wife has poor boundaries around other men that is shocking you can't see it. Because of your traveling job she has ample opportunity to have affairs. It is baffling to me why you would think this wasn't another affair in the face of this recent evidence.
When will you be exposing this affair so we can help you move onto next steps?
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"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt
What I read here is an additional bunch of excuses not to expose to OM's wife. Do it. She has a right to know about her own life and your wife is still in the affair with her husband.
Your wife's affair is ongoing at work. She had contact with OM just yesterday.
13 or 14 years ago, who is they? You write as if you have more than one wife. Bottom line: Your wife had an affair then as well, likely physical.
If you don't get with the program and actually FOLLOW it, you are destined for divorce or at a minimum, additional affairs.
Finally, we have had many, many military on this forum. None have used their military training to physically hurt an affair partner.
Stop blogging and actually follow the program.
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BW - 70 WH - 65 M - 35 years D-day - 17 Apr 08 H broke contact 11/1/09 Back in love after the worst thing that every happened to us.
