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Posted By: WhiteRussian Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/07/09 08:20 PM
Anyone else watching with tears?
Posted By: Dealan-de Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/07/09 08:29 PM
No, but apparently in retaliation for the book and EE being so truthful about her feelings, the Deathwatch Whore (Reille) is now demanding paternity.
Posted By: WhiteRussian Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/07/09 08:36 PM
Well, sadly, shoot there is no good answer... he does owe support if he fathered it, and at a minimum the child should have some medical history info... good for EE that she says it won't matter one way or another...
Posted By: princessmeggy Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/07/09 08:57 PM
Well this just really proves the point about fog doesn't it? Here we have a man who is pursuing one of the most powerful positions in the nation, and he's thinking (or isn't) that he's got everyone snowed and can get away with having his OW around on the campaign trail no less, and nobody will catch on. Amazing.

And Reille fits the profile for the "OW" perfectly in my book. She's a looney toons. smile
Posted By: bitbucket Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/07/09 10:35 PM
I hated his guts long before the A came out.

When we lived in NC, he ran for senate making a bunch of noise about how he was a native North Carolinian. He wasn't; he was born in SC.

He made a bunch of noise about being in touch with the common folk - even though he's a filthy rich trial lawyer who gets $400 haircuts.

And after he was elected in 1998, he spent all his time jetting around angling for a presidential run instead of actually doing his job and representing the people of NC.

He's a worthless waste of skin.
Posted By: goldenyears Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/08/09 11:27 AM
I watched about the last 30 minutes of the interview with EE. In fact, I recorded it to play back for FWH because she expressed so eloquently yet simply my reasons for remaining committed to my H and my marriage. She said that she refused to let the A define her, her marriage, or her husband. I especially liked her rationale about not being able to ignore that her FWH had been a wonderful H prior to the affair. I remember being advised by Rightherewaiting that our long and happy marriage and memories of life before the affair would help in our recovery. At the time of that advice, they were simply positive words that I could grasp as a lifeline. Now I truly feel that the pre-affair length and quality of our marriage has been a guiding force in our on-going recovery. While we are worlds apart in lifestyle, I felt a strong kinship to EE because she underscored my own resolve to savor the best and deal with the new reality. BTW, my dedicated, loving FWH also like the interview.
Posted By: MrsWondering Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/08/09 11:41 AM
Originally Posted by WhiteRussian
Anyone else watching with tears?

Yes, I cried...my heart hurt for her so much...

I watched the second airing of this here last night...late...(1 am)...I ended up accidentally falling asleep...The part I saw certainly made me think that Elizabeth Edwards is one super, awesome, strong, classy lady...

God Bless her...

Mrs. W

P.S. I fell asleep before getting to see anything that John Edwards said...How did he appear? Repentant? I hope...pray
Posted By: sunflower55 Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/08/09 11:56 AM
Mrs. W
i DVRd the show- John Edwards is an a**hole with a capital A. when oprah asked him about if he had feared that his wife would leave him - his answer was flippant - well, of course. and then he said with NO emotion - i love her and i care about her.

it sounded so fake to me. anyone else feel that way??

even before i knew about the affair - i thought that he must be the most selfish man on Earth - to have his terminally ill wife spend her last years campaigning for HIS presidency!!! that is totally abusurd!! he could have delayed his campaign.

EE is an amazing woman - enduring her child dying, terminal cancer, and now her husband's public affair.

since he added more info a year and a half later - by telling her that it was not a ONS - but an ongoing affair- who could believe anything he says???

sf
Posted By: MrsWondering Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/08/09 12:06 PM
Thanks for letting me know, Sunflower...I so hate to hear that...Elizabeth and their children deserve so much more...

Mrs. W
Posted By: goldenyears Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/08/09 12:22 PM
Originally Posted by MrsWondering
[quote=WhiteRussian]

P.S. I fell asleep before getting to see anything that John Edwards said...How did he appear? Repentant? I hope...pray


His responses to a few questions left me cold. When asked how he felt about the book, he said it was very thoughtful. What the heck does that really mean??? When asked about how he felt about her writing it, he responded with some equally bland remark. When Oprah asked him if he ever thought EE would leave him, his response was so slow in coming that it occurred to me that regardless of what he said he really was never threatend by that thought. In response to one of O's questions, he said that he loves EE, but then I was bothered by the QUICK follow-up "I care for her." To me, it seemed almost like a correction to the "I love her." When I commented on that to my H, he said he guessed the important thing is that EE feels that he loves her. Maybe continuing embarrassment makes all our FWH seem that way to others.
Posted By: Dealan-de Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/08/09 12:26 PM
The book and interview and showing of her cherished home was all carefully orchestrated by EE so that DWW would NEVER be able to lay her grubby paws on it.

Go EE!
Posted By: Looking4 Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/08/09 12:54 PM
I watched with my H. I said I was surprised he wanted to watch it. He said he was surprised I wanted to. So we watched it together. Quietly.

EE is so eloquent and she has so much strength.

I was most pained hearing her description of how she can't understand why the OW didn't respect what she, EE, had. That OW felt it okay to try to step in and take what EE had built with her husband -- how she couldn't understand how one woman could to that to another. That's what hit me the hardest. Because she is so right.

Every now and then I wondered what Oprah was feeling asking some of the questions. Having been an OW herself a few decades ago, I wondered if she felt any sting from EE's answers, hearing words that her FOM's BW probably also uttered.
Posted By: Cherished Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/08/09 12:57 PM
I saw almost all of it, what with having to get my daughter to soccer practice and chasing the dog out of the living room because a bunny was in the yard.

What struck me was that this woman has given a very detailed portrayal of what it means for a husband to have an affair. She lost her son, she was diagnosed with cancer, and here she is talking about her husband having an affair.

I suspect she wrote the book because she felt just plain dirty about participating in covering up the affair. Now she can describe the impact of this on a marriage. Good for her that it doesn't matter if the child is his.

See below for article on other woman expecting to be in Edwards' life. What this reminds me of is that my husband told me that he thought he'd go back to the other woman if I left him. I was upset and worried. My sister appropriately told me, "She would have taken him off your hands."

Now? Now I stay away from him. I can work part time and be with my kids. Today I can take a son and a friend to the amusement park at Mall of America. I am definitely in the camp of "staying together for the sake of my kids."

Cherished



And you thought the John Edwards sex scandal couldn't get seamier.

The ex-senator's former lover - furious at being portrayed as a stalker in his wife's media tour - reportedly is taking revenge and will allow a paternity test for her baby after all.

Rielle Hunter previously refused to allow DNA testing on baby Frances, born in February 2008. Edwards, even after the admitted affair, insisted he wasn't the father.

Her friends said then she hoped they still had a future together and hoped to protect the philandering pol from further ruin.

But on the eve of Elizabeth Edwards' appearance on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" today to plug her new book, the National Enquirer reports that Hunter has changed her mind.

"Now she can see there's never going to be a future with John, and she feels he's lied about his promise to keep Elizabeth from trashing her in the book," an "insider" told the mag.

The Enquirer has had excellent access to Hunter, including tips about where to catch John Edwards sneaking around a hotel in the middle of the night. The exposés drove John Edwards from the 2008 presidential race.

Last year, John Edwards denied he was the father and offered to take a DNA test if Hunter would let him.

A John Edwards spokeswoman did not return messages Wednesday.


Posted By: Dealan-de Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/08/09 01:05 PM
>from trashing her in the book," an "insider" told the mag.


Trashing her in the book?

That's rich.

Her OWN actions made her the trash. EE is just shinin' the spotlight on it.
Posted By: black_raven Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/08/09 01:27 PM
Originally Posted by sunflower55
Mrs. W
i DVRd the show- John Edwards is an a**hole with a capital A. when oprah asked him about if he had feared that his wife would leave him - his answer was flippant - well, of course. and then he said with NO emotion - i love her and i care about her.

it sounded so fake to me. anyone else feel that way??

I'm no fan of JE but I didn't think he was flippant or an ahole when talking to Oprah. I didn't see the whole interview so there may be parts I missed but I did see the part you referred to above. What was he going to say? He kept his answers simple. I would have been put off if he went overboard and tried to lay it on thick with the upteen ways he loves his wife.

I think it's sad that so many people are out there calling her pathetic and weak because she stayed with her H instead of kicking him to the curb. We all know that story. sigh
Posted By: black_raven Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/08/09 01:31 PM
EE could have called her all sort of things but she didn't. Calling the skank 'pathetic' is nothing. If that's RH idea of trashing her...what a buffoon. rotflmao
Posted By: sunflower55 Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/08/09 01:38 PM
Looking 4
i SOOO agree with you! i LOVED that part about her talking about how the OW were "taking" something that was not theirs to take. of course- she also placed a fair share on her H- for being a willing partner- but she said my feelings exactly.

i think that OP are missing empathy in their lives- or they would not dream of hurting their spouse - and a single OW- would not want to hurt the wife.

i also wondered how oprah felt hearing her blast OW- as she was one. Good for EE for not backing down for that!

sf
Posted By: princessmeggy Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/08/09 01:43 PM
I think he was given the PERFECT opportunity to declare his love for his wife and to apologize in front of millions of witnesses for what he did. He not only betrayed his wife, who is most important, but he betrayed the people who believed in him.
Posted By: black_raven Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/08/09 01:51 PM
He could have but I thought the show was about EE not JE. Maybe I'm the weird one but I would have seen even that as trying to steal the spotlight and do damage control. If the man is still claiming ignorance to the paternity of the child, his apology wouldn't have meant squat to many. When the paternity test shows him to be the father, would he then apologize AGAIN? crazy Trickle,trickle, trickle. I'd rather he'd just shut up and be wallpaper.
Posted By: sunflower55 Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/08/09 01:54 PM
PM-
i agree with you! he could have thanked his wife for staying with him -during the campaign and in the marriage. he could have supported her book more.
i walked away feeling that his response was fake- and without feeling.

i was sickened by his lack of empathy for EE- and not declaring his loyalty to her on national TV. Even expressing true regret for his actions would have been better than the bland response he gave.

sf
Posted By: MarriedForever Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/08/09 02:10 PM
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I was most pained hearing her description of how she can't understand why the OW didn't respect what she, EE, had. That OW felt it okay to try to step in and take what EE had built with her husband -- how she couldn't understand how one woman could to that to another. That's what hit me the hardest. Because she is so right.

OMG, I have said these EXACT SAME WORDS.

It appalls me that an OW could do this as well, to a "sister"...is there NO loyalty to other women in the world???

It shocks me that a MAN could drive a woman to hurt another woman in this way. I am an extremely loyal person and I just could not fathom doing this to another woman. And certainly not over a MAN.

And I also can't understand why some women think that another woman's husband is fair game. The OW's desperation there is shocking, and they don't understand that others see it clear as day.

And then to not be able to let go for YEARS...they might as well stamp DESPERATE WOMAN HERE on their foreheads!

Which is often the final nail in the coffin in the FWH's repulsion at the OW. Desperation is not flattering and usually pushes men even further away. It sounds like Edward's OW is doing a good job of that, which is a GOOD thing!

Posted By: princessmeggy Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/08/09 02:47 PM
She deliberately set out to seduce him. Here's how she did it:

Link to segment describing how OW set up for the kill.

Posted By: black_raven Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/08/09 03:52 PM
LOL It looks like the members of that other site are coming out to support RH.
rotflmao
http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/05/edwards-oprah-e.html?cid=152549845#comment-152549845

Posted By: KaylaAndy Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/09/09 02:41 AM
I read thru the blog - none of them got the reason I would have done nuclear exposure in a book like Elizabeth Edwards did.

The reason in her place that I would do nuclear exposure is to kill the affair so thoroughly as to the effect that OW would never be around my children - to so thoroughly cut off John Edwards from marrying this woman in the event of my death - that their relationship would have no legitimacy FOREVER if he would hope to have a shred of public office service - as an appointee or otherwise. He'll never get elected to so much as volunteer custodian by most Americans now.

See - EE has a terminal disease that will cut her life short - hopefully she'll get to live long enough to see her children grown, but chances are she won't. So nuclear exposure was the only way to keep such an unstable user-climber-ho-OW out of her children's lives for the next 10 years, until the youngest passes high school graduation.
Posted By: TogetherAlone Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/09/09 02:23 PM
Not sure even nuclear exposure would do it, KA. Look at Charles and Camilla. I wouldn't have thought they'd have the cheek to get together when the world knew all about their affair, and how much pain it had caused Diana. But they had not an ounce of shame.
Posted By: KaylaAndy Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/09/09 04:11 PM
Compared to Reille, who didn't know "Prince" Edwards before the marriage, the children, the campaigns, etc, Camilla was dignified. Reille is a noboday wanting to be significant so she's a power-hungry fame-chasing Ho while Camilla is just a Ho who was a childhood sl*t, so the family didn't consider her worthy to be the princess.

While I hate Charles, he's much more of a political puppet and prostituted his own heart for the retention of the crown, while John Edwards frittered away his character and ethics believing that somehow he was immune from the same pressures Charles had coming into power. I despise Camilla for her disrespect of a marriage and Diana. Now that I think about it though, there are similarities in malignancy between the two women.

Similar but different.

But Reille is very much a nobody who figures this child is her ticket to significance.
Posted By: black_raven Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/09/09 04:43 PM
I was thinking the same last night KA. EE could have set the wheels in motion to watch the APs throw each other under the bus. JE and RH would have a very hard time being a public couple after an all out nasty battle ensues. The children will see what a desperate nut she is and have disgust for their father if he continued a relationship with this woman after their mother's death. Now that RH is on the rampage JE is in for a rude awakening. laugh EE just has to stand back and let them pummel each other. grin

Although JE's reputation is in the toilet, I'm not sure he'd want to go down in history as a complete loser by getting back together with the skank. Time will tell.
Posted By: justpeachy08 Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/09/09 10:24 PM
I'm an old timer MB'er...from a few yrs back, recovered but did so alone and divorced five years ago january..but doing AWESOME!!!

My opinion on this is simple. I believe this is EE's attempt at a nuclear exposure. Where the entire darn world knows of the ema and if she dies (hope and pray she makes it somehow b/c she's a fighter and one with dignity..and I'm not of that political party either)hen this pond scum, filth flarn filth, every four letter word I could muster but won't type here kinda of OW that Rielle Hunter is, will NEVER be the stepmom of their children. And that if that indeed happened (the Camilla scenario), then the world would be on a Reille hatin' ride like never imagined..and john too.

I pray she endures and somehow she succeedes in her recovery.

Nobody knows how it is until you've walked in our shoes. Nobody does. And what we choose to do when we have that d day or crisis is OURS...not the wh or ww's decision but OURS. JE should be damn happy and glad she stayed with his breck boy a@s.
Posted By: Dealan-de Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/11/09 01:27 PM
>The reason in her place that I would do nuclear exposure is to kill the affair so thoroughly as to the effect that OW would never be around my children - to so thoroughly cut off John Edwards from marrying this woman in the event of my death

EXACTLY!
Posted By: Cherished Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/12/09 02:31 AM
I read the book and in the book EE talks about how she had talked with JE about who to marry after her death. She contrasts those women with this woman, a woman she call obsequious and pathetic. Yes, I think that she wrote the book to cut of JE from marrying RH.

My husband told me that his OW was very similar to me. We even went to the same college. And, if I left him, then he would consider getting back with her.

Yes, we may be similar in some things, but I would never have an affair, especially as the mother of young children. Part of the reason is I would never want to put the wife through the experience of being betrayed.

Whatever my husband valued in me that is similar to the OW misses the mark by far of the type of person I am. I think EE may be going through just plain wondering how she could have been so off the mark in her understanding of her marriage and her husband.

Good for her for writing a book that is so brutally honest. What is most sad to me about the book is that EE knew of the impact of betrayal on a woman and on a marriage because as a teenager she read her mother's journals and her mother had suspected she had been betrayed. She explained all this to JE when they were dating. He knew what it meant to her that he be faithful.

Cherished
Posted By: princessmeggy Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/12/09 03:23 PM
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Good for her for writing a book that is so brutally honest. What is most sad to me about the book is that EE knew of the impact of betrayal on a woman and on a marriage because as a teenager she read her mother's journals and her mother had suspected she had been betrayed. She explained all this to JE when they were dating. He knew what it meant to her that he be faithful.


rant2 I HATE (using this word on purpose) adultery! Reading this just made me so angry. WSs are so self-centered and callous. rant2
Posted By: Krazy71 Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/12/09 04:04 PM
Originally Posted by MarriedForever
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I was most pained hearing her description of how she can't understand why the OW didn't respect what she, EE, had. That OW felt it okay to try to step in and take what EE had built with her husband -- how she couldn't understand how one woman could to that to another. That's what hit me the hardest. Because she is so right.

OMG, I have said these EXACT SAME WORDS.

It appalls me that an OW could do this as well, to a "sister"...is there NO loyalty to other women in the world???

It shocks me that a MAN could drive a woman to hurt another woman in this way. I am an extremely loyal person and I just could not fathom doing this to another woman. And certainly not over a MAN.

And I also can't understand why some women think that another woman's husband is fair game. The OW's desperation there is shocking, and they don't understand that others see it clear as day.

And then to not be able to let go for YEARS...they might as well stamp DESPERATE WOMAN HERE on their foreheads!

Which is often the final nail in the coffin in the FWH's repulsion at the OW. Desperation is not flattering and usually pushes men even further away. It sounds like Edward's OW is doing a good job of that, which is a GOOD thing!

There is no "sisterhood". Anyone who's ever worked in an office with a few women in it knows that.
Posted By: Dealan-de Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/12/09 04:10 PM
>There is no "sisterhood".

Yes there is, Krazy.

Fortunatly we can spot the sisters - they are the ones that retain their HUMANITY.
Posted By: FaithHopeLove Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/13/09 08:55 PM
I find this so interesting.

I only saw clips of the interview, but I have been turning over in my mind what was motivating her to write this book and go so public when she kept his secret when she first found out.

I came to the same conclusion. She was doing whatever she could to keep that woman out of the lives of her children.

I also kept silent about my H's affair, except to his parents, siblings and a few trusted friends. My own story is long and complicated, and not entirely MB, but that is an aside.

My primary motivation was to protect my children, and myself, from having to deal with the OW the rest of our lives. As much as I wanted to recover my marriage, I was unwilling to take any chance this very special woman wink would be come a part of our everyday life. Relocation and staying married accomplished my goal. Mrs. Edwards, due to her cancer, needed extra insurance.

If we did ever divorce, I could "deal" with another wife. I didn't want to deal with the woman, who called me sounding very drunk, pleading that if I let him go, she would sit in the back of the church at my childrens' weddings. I remember a surge of resolve that she would not ONLY be in the same church, she would not be in the same STATE when my children were married.

My heart goes out to Elizabeth.
Posted By: MarriedForever Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/13/09 09:16 PM
Originally Posted by Dealan-de
>There is no "sisterhood".

Yes there is, Krazy.

Fortunatly we can spot the sisters - they are the ones that retain their HUMANITY.

Very well put! I could not agree more!

I naturally gravitate towards women who "retain their humanity". It's usually quite obvious the ones who don't and would stab another woman in the back, no problem.

I think this gets worse as women have gotten so involved in the workplace and "compete" for men's attention. It's nauseating, really, and I would NEVER survive in that sort of environment...I've been told (most recently by a MBer friend whom we had dinner with ) that I am one of the most "down to earth people (he) has ever met", and that is the sort of people I am drawn to...women not interested in the unspoken "sisterhood" would not fall into this category.

Again, I am intensely loyal...it's a quality that I admire and one that I abide by.
Posted By: Cherished Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/14/09 07:56 AM
In the book, Elizabeth wrote something about how the cancer may turn out to have been more important than "this woman passing through our lives."

It's struck me since reading those words that terminal cancer requiring ongong treatment is a not inconsequential. She was thinking beyond her own life when she wrote those words -- the family that she helped to build, the one that she will leave behind -- what is the impact on this family of her husband's affair vs. her death?

She has two young children. I witnessed the slow death of a mother who died last year and whose children are now in 7th and 5th grades. She also had breast cancer that was treated when her 7th grader was in kindergarten and then she was diagnosed with the cancer spreading to her bones when he was in 3rd grade. She lasted 3 years, to less than 2 weeks after her son's 6th grade graduation. The cancer was a very significant part of their lives. She was so bent on beating it, but she finally accepted death less than 24 hours before she died.

Elizabeth does not have much time. One or ten years -- she's not sure. She's in her late 50s and longevity runs in her family. She expected to live perhaps to 100.

Forty years lost from a life compared with a husband's affair -- and she poses the question of what is more important.

Cherished
Posted By: sunflower55 Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/14/09 11:22 AM
MF-
i agree with you - and you stated it perfectly. i am also drawn to people like me - who can empathize with others - therefore not doing things to others that i wouldnt want done to me.
all of my friends have these qualities.

but my FHW is not like that - and has never been - so i wonder ... why was i drawn to him???

women who have affairs with their friend's husbands- ( like i experienced) are a different kind of human being.

i used to believe in the basic "goodness" of people - but after experiencing betrayal from my H and my friends - i am having difficulty with this concept.

so - i DO agree with EE that there should be some kind of sisterhood between women- but it doesnt exist in all people.

sf
Posted By: MarriedForever Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/14/09 11:57 AM
Originally Posted by sunflower55
MF-
i agree with you - and you stated it perfectly. i am also drawn to people like me - who can empathize with others - therefore not doing things to others that i wouldnt want done to me.
all of my friends have these qualities.

but my FHW is not like that - and has never been - so i wonder ... why was i drawn to him???

women who have affairs with their friend's husbands- ( like i experienced) are a different kind of human being.

i used to believe in the basic "goodness" of people - but after experiencing betrayal from my H and my friends - i am having difficulty with this concept.

so - i DO agree with EE that there should be some kind of sisterhood between women- but it doesnt exist in all people.

sf

You're right...it doesn't exist in all people, and that's not something I ever really considered before this either. I thought people were basically "good" and no one would hurt another like this.

I absolutely believe in the "sisterhood" of women...my sister and my good friends fall into this category ~ they held me up and cried with me when I found out about FWH's affair. Some of OW's "friends" even called and emailed me, and cried with me, and looked out for me in those early days of devastation. THESE are my "sisters".

[P.S. Sunflower, I love your nickname here...hehehehehe]

Posted By: Dealan-de Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/14/09 12:01 PM
>I absolutely believe in the "sisterhood" of women...

Me too.

I was SHOCKED - beyond shocked - when I learned that not only did VD know about me, but that she was a former betrayed wife herself.

I still get whalloped upside the cabaza when I mull on THAT little tidbit of info too long.

How could someone who'd felt what we've felt DO THAT do someone else?

Posted By: sunflower55 Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/14/09 12:33 PM
MF-
i had the exact same experience. my close friends literally and emotionally held me up and were there for me whenever i needed them during july , 2007 - and my 3 d-days.

they were there for me to vent, to cry, to support me - to shun the OW.

i seriously dont know how i would have gotten through those days without my "sisters". these are the kind of women who would never consider having an affair with married man- especially the husband of a friend. (CAN SOMEONE OUT THERE EXPLAIN HOW WOMEN DO THIS??? THIS IS LOWER LIFE FORM THAN SOMEONE WHO DOESNT KNOW THE BS??) sorry - i didnt want to tj.

anyway - the suffering quotient goes up when all these added factors come into play - length of affair, friend of BS, and all the ugly details,

sf

PS- what nickname do you mean????
Posted By: princessmeggy Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/14/09 12:35 PM
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I didn't want to deal with the woman, who called me sounding very drunk, pleading that if I let him go, she would sit in the back of the church at my childrens' weddings. I remember a surge of resolve that she would not ONLY be in the same church, she would not be in the same STATE when my children were married.


puke Who ARE these OW?!?! That's just sick.

Posted By: Dealan-de Re: Oprah with Elizabeth Edwards - 05/14/09 12:50 PM
Originally Posted by princessmeggy
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I didn't want to deal with the woman, who called me sounding very drunk, pleading that if I let him go, she would sit in the back of the church at my childrens' weddings. I remember a surge of resolve that she would not ONLY be in the same church, she would not be in the same STATE when my children were married.


puke Who ARE these OW?!?! That's just sick.

Are you kidding PM?

We got a D&D (drinking and dialing) call from VD on Mother's Day.
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