Well it sure has been some time that I have visited these pages. I�m an old pro from back in the day who survived my wife�s infidelity. D-day was more than 6 years ago. I listened and learned from the real experts here and thank goodness I did because my married life is solidly on track. It�s been that way for a very long time. You too can repair a broken marriage, BELIEVE IT!

Now to the topic of this thread, I�ve been following the Tiger Woods story primarily because I love the game of golf, and also because I know a fair amount about infidelity and how to fix it.

Today, Tiger issued an apology on his website. It was a kind of veiled apology as he never said what he was apologizing for. It appears now that he has been involved in multiple affairs during the past four years. He has undoubtedly deeply disappointed millions of fans but as we all know that pales in comparison to the hurt and damage that he has perpetuated to Elin, his wife, not only through his acts of adultery but also in the way that those acts publically humiliated Elin. There are two small children, the youngest born last February.

Can his marriage be saved? What actions should he take privately with Elin and publically with his fans?

HE is probably paying a PR firm $1 mil right now to devise such a plan. I'm out til he pays me for it! DUDE

Tiger's apologizing alright - because he got caught!

What happens now, as we know, is totally up to Elin.

First, he needs to spell out his affair(s) and his total responsibility to his BW. He needs to do whatever it takes no matter how it affects his persona and career if he wants to save his marriage. Honestly, I don't know what to think about the idea of him ever gallavanting all over again w/o his wife.

I just wonder how long it will be before they start vilifying Elin to "justify" his cheating the way they did in the Jon and Kate situation. Blame the victim.

They are talking about a 31 months affair - that's half the time he is married - hope that's not true

The British newspapers are reporting exposes from more than one named woman.

What are you getting over there?

I think someone needs to give him the phone # for MB and let him learn how to earn his way out of the doghouse with his family. I hope no one is paying those skanks for their stories. What a bunch of total losers.

Same...more ballwashers.

More what? I've never heard that one before!

Its funny...Trust me..DUDE

Nice that he can see that his affair partners are so trustworthy(like him )
The one OW sold his voicemali tape for a reported 150,000. Classic example of why these affairs seldom work out , long term. Two untrustworthy people.
I loved how he branched off in his apology to espouse his views on the press and privacy. What an idiot, playing the victim card , there.

Here's a link to ball washers:

http://www.nextag.com/golf-ball-washer/search-html

Ball washers are are at every tee box, you put your ball in it, thrust up and down, and your ball is sparkling clean. Maybe they call the PGA tour groupies Ball Washers?

I thought alot about why athletes and movie stars cheat more than average. I think the big thing is the admiration emotional need. Your spouse sees you at your best and at your worst. The groupies? They over accentuate the best and don't see the worst.

I've been thinking about this and I think power feeds the ego. These famous people think they are exempt from life - that they are on a higher plane and are entitled to more in life. Look at the length of lies Tiger put out there before now admitting he needs help. These type of people are the ultimate cakeaters. They want everything and feel they are entitled to it.

Gg

No one slam me for this please, but...

I can at least understand how the rich and famous somehow start to believe they are entitled to more than other people are because of the way people fawn all over them. If enough people fawn all over you, I can see how someone that isn't well grounded could start to think they are better than other people.

What I cannot understand is how someone like my WH thinks he is somehow on that higher plane in life. My WH came from nothing and did not have tons of people fawning all over him - just the OW he now lives with. I cannot understand how the average person can think so highly of themselves and so lowly about the rest of the world.

I am NOT justifying infidelity by the rich and famous - in fact, infidelity is my number one reason why I have always thought that most rich and famous people were useless to the world. They are bad examples to everyone.

Before he can get it "right" with his wife and family he needs to get it "RIGHT" with G-d.

I kinda disagree. In my sitch. I wanted to just simply start over so that the ending would be different.

However, more importantly, the new ending I believe comes from the heart when it's changed and the desire to make amends it there. I don't think that can TRULY happen until the wayward has dealt with himself.

I can see it now.. "OH Tiger you are so awesome. one of a kind..so gifted..an Icon for young and old..So different."

Its no wonder that with success come entitlement. The Ego spirals out of control. They look for something to make them "happy".

Its true tho hes probably is not as sorry that he did it as he is that he got caught. Yet.. I hope

Real hard for any famous public figure to keep it real when they are driven to succeed and when they get there they have all the perks. If enough people worship you long enough you start to make your own rules.. and excuses

LOL Ballwashers...

He's got the reputation of being a good guy, like my STBX. Eventually, the public will let it slide.

I just watched a string of professional golfers at a press conference at his tournament, repeating the same words he placed on his blog. He made a mistake. It's private. And, I guess, it is. But they are a small sample of what we'll be seeing. No matter how many women pop up, they'll make excuses. David Letterman, anyone?

What should he do next? Take several months to a year off from golf and get into individual counseling and therapy with his wife to figure out what went wrong. Surround himself with men who will keep him accountable, and give the heave-ho to any who may have enabled him.

I have a feeling this would not have happened if his dad were still around...and I have to wonder if his behavior has something to do with his passing.

The "good ole boy network" is alive and well. And "a mistake"? Like I accidentally missed counting a stroke on that round or my caddy accidentally added another club to my bag or I accidentally shot out of turn??

The "a mistake" line is the biggest crock of **edit**. A one-time, I was drunk, it just happened MAY be a mistake. But an over and over and over again encounter with multiple women??? PLEEEEZE. This is NOT a mistake.

It's many, many willful choices over a long period of time. The only mistake is slipping up and getting caught.

I imagine that he's had women coming on to him since he became legal(probably long before). His fame didn't happen AFTER he was M. He understood it, was used to it and he got M anyway knowing full well the kind of temptation that was out there. My guess is he just wanted a legit family. I doubt he truly considered that EVERYTHING would have to change. Heck he's TIGER WOODS.

I hope I'm wrong. I liked him. Now he's like all the rest.

And as far as the other PGA guys talking about it...they either have never had it happen to them or they're doing it themselves. Prior to 2005 I probably would not have blinked an eye over this.

I'm actually finding this whole situation rather amuzing (ok I really am mentally ill!). But really - golf-club wielding BW, gold-digging skank-ho's crawling out of the woodwork like cockroaches all over the place, and the "poor me" WH trying to save face with both the public and his BW. It's almost playing out like a cartoon!

Are you kidding? The Wookie wanted to be Tony Soprano without the beating people up. I told him as much and he AGREED with me.

It's a power thing.

Hi Mr G ! Delighted you are still doing so very well ! * waves *

regarding tiger woods he needs to take extraordinary precautions against another affair. If that means giving up golf and living with the Amish as a twig broom maker, he should do it.

But he won't.

What would be cool is if he "got it", became genuinely remorseful, learned from it, and started a one-man campaign against the evils of adultery since he's such a visible person. We can dream can't we?

Heard a great one on the radio this morning (94.5 in Houston, from Jessica, in case she actually made up the joke):

Tiger is no longer going by the name Tiger.

Hereafter, he will be known as Cheetah.

I wonder what diseases he has brought home to his lovely wife?

Like many famous men, he required his wife to sign a prenup. before he would marry her . . . nothing screams of commitment to me like a prenup. . . planning for the divorce before the marriage seems a little bit too . . . cynical. But considering that most marriages do end in divorce perhaps it is the practical thing for the rich and famous to do. But then I wonder why he bothered to marry in the first place. And why would his wife marry him knowing that he was more concerned about his potential loss of assets than his love for her. Perhaps his wife's picker is broken too.

And now for the bad clich�: Tigers are not known for changing their stripes. Professional athletes have women constantly throwing themselves at them. And it appears this "man" doesn't have the skills to deal with that in a way that is consistent with marriage.

On a happier note, his major sponsors are beginning to do the calculus about cutting him loose. Perhaps he will be taught a hard lesson about integrity.

AnneMarie: Google up the term "narcissism". It'll explain a lot.
Mulan

The police asked Tiger's wife how many times she hit him. "I don't know exactly...put me down for a 5."

Phil Mickelson contacted Tiger's wife to pick up tips on how to beat Tiger.

What's the difference between a car and a golf ball? Tiger can drive a ball 400 yards.

Tiger Woods wasn't seriously injured in the crash, but he's still below par.

What were Tiger Woods and his wife doing out at 2:30 in the morning? They went clubbing

Tiger Woods crashed into a fire hydrant and a tree. He couldn't decide between a wood and an iron.

Ping just offered Elin an endorsement contract for her own set of drivers; to be named Elin Woods..."clubs you can beat Tiger with."

Tiger just changed his nickname but still kept it in the cat family--his new name?: Cheetah

Tiger was driving an Escalade, can he blame the accident on his caddy?

Hello, Mr. Woods. This is the On Star operator. We have detected that an angry person has put a golf club through your window. We've called Nike. A new club is on its way.


Who among us doesn't hear a car crash and immediately grab the closest golf club we can find??!!

Tiger's new movie: Crouching Tiger, Hidden Hydrant.

Tiger Woods owns lots of expensive cars. Now he has a hole in one.

Poor choice; he should have gone with the driver.

Hi Mr. G! I haven't posted here in quite a while either. I'm shocked that I remember my password, however after a gazillion posts here that shouldn't surprise me.

First, just a hello to my 2004 infidelity classmates. In spite of the crummy circumstances that brought us all together it is always great to see your names.

One bright spot in the Tiger saga and all the stream of infidelities that have occurred in recent years. Has anyone noticed how the media now isn't glorifying these affairs like in times past? If anything the WSs are really looking like total dumb a$$es. It's laughable that these celeb WSs actually think their OWs are going to be true and faithful and never will spill anything to the press for their chance at being famous for no reason.

To the BW who posted something about how could her H feel entitled like a celeb. That is the nature of the WS mind, entitled and very narcissistic. For many men in particular admiration is the hook that brings them down. For a celeb it's probably 10 times worse. I heard this man on TV talking about this. His father, who was a surgeon, told him about people in power, "People will think you're a God. You just can't think and believe you're a God."

Anyhoo, a big hug to my old MB buds!

Hi to you Bob Pure and CV, big hugs to both of you and to all those who have ridden those rough roads in the past.

I asked this Tiger question because I sometimes chat on a golf discussion board (I just love that game you know). Of course, the Tiger issue has dominated the boards of late. It is amusing to read of the common folk spin on Tiger�s affair. Besides the damage that he caused at home he has disappointed his fans around the world. I am heartened that most of the posters understand how wrong Tiger was. There are others that will fight to their last breath defending him. Many of those posters place the blame squarely on Elin�s shoulders. I cannot resist but to take these posters on with extreme prejudice, like shooting fish in a barrel.

Overall, I am happy to report to you that the world at large condemns Tiger�s actions. One man wrote that Tiger could be the best husband in the world. The best husband?! Are you kidding me?! Well I slammed him for his remarks. He responded with, �No, you don�t understand, I�ve walked in his shoes, I cheated. My wife threw me out, I had to quit my job and then she gave me a second chance. Now, I�m the best husband and father in the world.� That kind of brought a tear to my eye.

I knew in advance that these boards would offer the best advice with the caring truth of what is really happening. Thanks to all and continue to post your comments.

That's the only good thing about this story - the general consensus that Tiger behaved like a first-class jerk and there was no excuse for it.

There are stories now that he had some very enabling staffers. They were not his friends - they were just his little yes-toadies who would do anything to hang around with him, including make arrangements and flight reservations for Tiger's prostitutes to meet with him (see tmz.com).

Wow, what a great friend! I'm sure he just wanted Tiger to be happy. Isn't that what every friend and relative of an adulterer says, when they refuse to stand up to them? "I just want him/her to be HAPPY." (I heard the same sh*t from XWH's sister.)

Well, how happy is Tiger now?

Friends don't let friends drive drunk.

Friends don't let friends destroy their lives with adultery, either.
Mulan

One "friend" of ours knew about my Hs A. That "friend" is no friend of our M, so I swiftly and cooly cut him out of our circle with the precision of a surgeon.

The "friend" who arranged Tiger's rendezvous with the trollops needs to be excised post-haste from their lives. Pity it had to be a childhood friend.

Tiger needs to hand over the staffing reins to his wife so that she knows she is surrounding him with safe people.

In Tiger's situation it is beginning to sound like his marriage is becoming a business proposition, much like Bill and Hillary Clintons became. No love, no respect, just money and power changing hands. If my observations are correct, that will be �too bad�.

�For him who confesses, shams are over and realities have begun; he has exteriorized his rottenness. If he has not actually got rid of it, he at least no longer smears it over with a hypocritical show of virtue -- he lives at least upon a basis of veracity.� William James

Now there are allegations of Tiger's drug use starting to surface. Stay tuned. Even if the wh*res don't lose him his endorsements, I'll bet any sort of drug use will.

I have to wonder how much of the drug and alcohol use, if true, is tied to simply trying to silence what was left of his conscience. My XWH never used to drink alcohol at all and was quite proud of that, especially that he was never pressured into it at company stuff.

But he started drinking at "business dinners" not long after he started really getting into the girls. Then he started drinking at home. Then he started drunk-dialing me late at night from places like Chicago and Shanghai. This from a man who once explained to our son that, "A real man drinks anything he wants - even if it's Diet Coke."

Anyone else notice this? Did you see a WS start alcohol and/or drug use not long after the cheating started?
Mulan

My WW was a recovered alcoholic when we met. When she arrived last Monday to move her things out, she told me she had returned to smoking (something else I had never seen her do). My suspicion is that she may not be there yet, but all evidence points to a relapse coming soon.

Mine never did drugs (except a few in high school) but stopped taking his high blood pressure medication when the A began. He'd taken pills for 28 years. I wonder if it was because it interferred with other drugs like Viagra or something similar. Will probably never know unless he ends up in the hospital or during an autopsy.

Sis told me that one of Tiger's sluts said they'd take Ambien then have drowsy, surreal sex.

Most people on other sites are not supporting Tiger, but when they do it's usually some variation of, �All men cheat. It�s just their nature. They can�t help it. Women should learn to understand that.�

Okay. Try this:

The drives for food and sex have a lot in common. They are both normal, natural human drives and are part of a normal healthy life.

Food should help a person to have a strong, healthy, productive and satisfying life.

But if there are no boundaries or limits on food, and the person chooses to indulge in every chocolate cake and triple cheeseburger that comes along simply because it makes them happy and it�s just their nature � well, that�s an excellent way to end up bloated and immobile, suffering from terrible health and looking at an early death.

Sex should also be part of a healthy, nurturing, loving and satisfying life.

But if there are no boundaries or limits on sex, and the person chooses to indulge in every �chocolate cake� that comes along simply because it makes them happy and it�s just their nature � well, that�s an excellent way to end up without a single healthy relationship with anyone. It�s impossible to have the love and respect of a spouse and/or children when all that matters is more and more and more chocolate cake. And as with food, having no boundaries on sex also risks terrible health and an early death.

With both food and sex, people without boundaries and limits end up alone in the world save for the co-dependent enablers who are making this destructive lifestyle possible. Real friends would try their best to prevent such behavior.

Boundaries and limits are a necessary part of a healthy life. Animals cannot understand this. They will have sex with any available mate and will often gorge on very unhealthy foods, even to the point of serious illness or death.

Humans are supposed to use some reasoning and intelligence when it comes to food and sex. Those who refuse to do this end up very sick, both physically and emotionally, and very much alone.

It seems he didn't just have friends who were enablers...

"Elin is beside herself with anger, because she can't believe that her mother-in-law did not know that Tiger was running round with this other woman when it was right under her nose," an unnamed source told the Melbourne Herald-Sun.

LINK

Tiger just gets in deeper and deeper.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...iner-waitress-deal-kept-affair-news.html

Tiger is a scum. What is it with these women who are satisfied with being 2nd, 3rd, 4th in Mr. Woods life? I just don't understand people. Maybe one of these days the media and society in general will finally understand the trauma and destruction infidelity causes.

Yes, the article you site tells a detailed story of adultery that is compelling and chilling at the same time. Everybody becomes a victim.

The story of the fall of Tiger Woods will garner more media attention than any in recent memory. I can�t recall a bigger fall since OJ (and Tiger is falling still).

Since you are already incensed watch this video of Tiger the role model.

Tiger Woods and Nike

Comments anyone?

I am hopeful that Tiger will man up and face the music and change his life. None of us are perfect, but character is to be found in how we face our shortcomings and change our lives.

I am in AWE of his little Norwegian wife for not tolerating his disgusting behavior. There is a rumor that the foyer of their home was trashed from the [censored] whooping she gave Tiger. It is obvious she bashed out the back window of their SUV to get at him. Maybe he will learn from that lesson.

One nice thing about all this publicity is that maybe the media and his adoring fans will start holding him accountable when he is on the road. He should be watched like a HAWK from now on. That is in his best interest and the best interest of his marriage.

He can turn this all around. If he would come out and admit what he did, commit to change and ask the public to hold him accountable, he could pick himself back up. The public would respect that. Lots of people fall, but it takes some NADS to stand back up again.

I wonder if his momma knew about this? If so, then shame on her for not caring for her own son.

I remember Joe Jackson making horrible excuses for his son's behavior and drug use following Michael's death.

Some parents get on their children's gravy train and simply do not want to disrupt the ride.

There are plenty of examples here on this board of parents supporting their wayward child as opposed to the betrayed without being on any gravy train except blood. My ILs chose to support me, their betrayed DIL, and they seem to be the exception to the rule.

Blood is often thicker than water no matter if it's blue or red.

I find the most irksome the people who say they support you to your face and then treat the WS as if nothing were going on. It's not even false friendship, it's the epitome of fence-straddling.

I especially like the part, ��and ask the public to hold him accountable.� That might do the trick. He has all ready issued an apology of sorts on his web site accepting responsibility and admitting to �transgressions�. Unfortunately that was several days ago and a lot more dirt has surfaced in that time. Now his apology appears disingenuous. Lies upon lies, same record we�ve heard a million times.

Many accounts have him cheating through his courtship with Elin right up to a few days ago. Hard to believe he�s going to stop now. His circle of friends that include Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley do not help matters. His caddy Steve Williams also appear to have been an enabler.

I think the correct move (from this far away distance) is for Elin to cut bait. She is only 29 years old and can start anew. The children are young and will have no memory of these events plus she has �crazy� money to forgo the need to have a provider.

I too, am in awe of Elin.

I salute Elin!

The kids may have no memory of the events, but with Tiger being -- well, Tiger -- his "transgressions" will live on and on in books and articles and websites forever. The kids will know about their Dad and his "mistakes" eventually.

Noone wants to Google their parents and read about their back seat encounters with a coffee shop waitress or a stripper or a Vegas hostess especially if "dad" is on wife number two, three or four. What I would hope for is that dad makes it right with their mother and nothing else surfaces from this day forward.

That would show their kids and the world that while people make mistakes, they can get their lives and marriages back on course and live happily ever after.

Elin is brave. I wish the BS's on MB could be as brave as her, there would be far less failed recoveries.

I'm in awe of her too! Did you hear that message Tiger left for one of his bimbos? He was trying to cover his tracks b/c his W was on to him. HE SOUNDED SCARED! He knew if she found out, she was gonna beat his butt.

If she is willing to give him another chance, I'm sure she will hold his feet to the fire and get transparency from him.

There are stories that Tiger's mother did know what was happening but did nothing to stop it. Gravy train - you betcha.

And there are more and more ho-bags coming out of the Wood-work.

(If you're wondering, I get all my trash from tmz.com. )

Frankly, I think Tiger's friends, if he has any, ought to put him on suicide watch. His entire life has just come crashing down in a huge, huge way, and it's an international story that *everyone* knows about. Not many could handle that, especially when they honestly think they're better than everybody else. They will have no humility to cushion the shock.
Mulan

Mr. G, I've noticed a lot of people here have gotten down on Hillary and Bill Clinton. I have seen very close friends of theirs (some not famous) interviewed who have said more than once that they actually do love each other, and recently cited that their love for Chelsie helped them work through the infidelity. I loved when Hillary said the only one who liked him during the Monica period was the dog.

I agree with you that Tiger's W should just cut bait. They haven't being Med long, he's a serial cheater, and he has been cheating for years now. This is a different animal than the run of the mill As. My fear is if she agrees with signing anything that requires her to shut her mouth she might as well kiss even the possibility she will ever have a real M with this man. He can cheat all he wants and she won't be able to expose him. She will be living in her own personal hell with no power. I think she is just being handled now from all of Tiger's peeps. Getting through their issues would require so much work it would be exhausting. Who would want to live in a M having to monitor your spouse's every move? I decided not far after d-day I was not going to live my life having to look over my shoulder constantly. If I couldn't feel trust for my H again I'd rather be alone.

Bubbles wrote:

"Elin is brave. I wish the BS's on MB could be as brave as her, there would be far less failed recoveries."

I have to say that in the 6 years I have been on MB I have met some of the bravest people I have ever known. I have seen BSs as brave if not more so than Elin. However, if you are talking about BSs who allow cake-eating, I have definitely witnessed that too and agree it decreases the likelihood of the A ending.

I'm not trying to take diminish Elin's bravery in any way, just pointing out that some of the BS on here may appear less brave because they are exhausted from working plus handling all of the childcare, housecare, lawncare, etc while their WS plays. Some are also facing severe financial hardship if the marriage breaks up and wonder how they will manage. Divorce courts are not always fair.

I now believe that Tiger thought he could have "it" both ways. He wanted bimbo's, he wanted a family. He THOUGHT he could (using staff to work out the details) carry on two complete lives.

Is there such a thing as a man who loves his wife/family and considers the "girlfriends" a seperate part of his life?? I mean, certainly not on MB terms.
Please don't 2 x 4 me!

I believe his wife was, during hte incident and still is, in shock. She is probably finding out about the other cockroach girlfriends as we are, on TMZ. She needs to take a huge step back and re assess. Her M was apparently NEVER what she thought it was.
It seemd obvious now that MANY people knew about all these girlfriends-- xcept W.
She must feel like such a fool.

If I had the chance to ask Tiger one question, it would be this:
"Tiger, regarding your young daughter, Sam, which type of person are you hoping she'll grow up to be: the skankahoes you diddle when you're on the road, or the loyal wife, waiting to be betrayed by the soul-less husband?"
I.e, Tiger, you're showing young Sam that there are two types of women in the world: Betrayed and Skank. Sadly, you have modeled the WORST kind of father/husband you could think of.

I'm sure he wasn't thinking about anything, not his kids, not Elin...

Just getting some tail.

I didn�t know that. I think that is wonderful, really wonderful. I guess I just assumed the worse.



You are 100 percent spot on! As you noted, she is young and will have all the money she needs to live her life and provide for her children. From the look of things it appears that Tiger has not been monogamous for a single moment of the entire marriage or courtship. Beyond that, as her children grow they will eventually learn of their father�s affairs and they will see how the consequences of his actions resulted in their Mother�s divorce of Tiger.

Absolutely, barbiecat - that IS the goal for most people who cheat, male or female.

I often see BS here who seem to think the poor poor WS is so confused and trying so hard to choose between the BS and the OP.

No way. Virtually all people who are cheating in a marriage are doing because they want to have BOTH - they want both the security and comfort of marriage AND they want all all the fun and excitement of dating at the same time.

And yes, they do this by putting the spouse and family in one box and the OP in another box, and then convince themselves that nobody will ever notice this and that it will all work out just fine.

This is why exposure is so important - because it busts down the walls of this insane fantasy and makes it impossible to continue.

People who just don't care about their spouses any more will just leave and file for divorce. But the vast, vast majority of cheaters really are trying to have both and will continue for *years* trying to have both - for as long as they can get away with it.

My XWH did exactly what you described - put his wife and kids in one box ("Home") and the ho-bags in another ("Work"). He had convinced himself that this was perfectly legitimate ("We all work together! It's not a date! It's a Business Meeting!") and was raging mad when of course nobody else (like me and his adult children) would go along with such an idiotic fantasy.

When I refused to cave in and agree that this arrangement really was okay and I was just over-reacting, and refused to so much as walk out to the trash can with him, THAT'S when he threw his stuff in his truck and left and filed for divorce.

Boy, he showed me and everybody else, didn't he?
Mulan

Of course Tiger considered these women a separate part of his life. Does not the wayward spouse ALWAYS consider their �side-action� as separate and distinct? It�s not until the betrayed spouse surfaces the affair or the wayward spouse declares their love for the other woman that the two trains collide.

In Tiger�s instance he was discovered by National Enquirer over two years ago, complete with film and photos of him in action. That story got buried when he agreed to do a cover shoot for a sister magazine, Men�s Fitness. He learned nothing from that experience and continued to collect more and more girlfriends.

This guy is a real piece of work. A real role model.

Latest score:

Tiger: 1
Bimbos: 7

What quarter, period, hole are we on?

Opps, you are not keeping up.

It is now Bimbos: 9

I get the sense that "normal people" (geez, I hate that term -- "normal" is a setting on a washing machine) look upon "celebrity marriages" as something different than our everyday ones.

Hollywood constantly reports the "revolving" door/beds of marital discord there. Politicians and other Type-A personalities are also forever in the news. Often with little or no consequence to their actions.

Those who have never dealt with a wayward spouse (weren't we all like that before coming here?) simply look and shrug their shoulders when news of this sort is announced. After all, it's "not real" where these people live.

Yikes! What inning?

Hey... 9 holes? Front nine or back nine?

Kill me when he finishes the course. I'm sick.

One of the skankahoes said he was really lousy in bed, too. Ouch. That's gotta hurt almost as bad as exposure:
"Yep, I slept with him and he was awful in bed."
Whatever fantasy there may have been about him is now over.

I am thinking that someone forgot to teach TIGER this hard and fast rule of life, which is:

~WHEN YOU GET MARRIED, IT IS TIME TO STOP DATING~

I don't think he viewed what he was doing as dating, bubbles.
I think he saw them as sperm receptacles.

This can only end badly for Mr Cheetah.

His first priority seemed 2 be 2 use the "privacy for my family" excuse 2 protect his secrecy.

Then, when it became obvious that the OWs wouldn't help him keep things secret (maybe he hadn't been paying them enough, or maybe he told them each "you're the only one!"), he started offering them millions 2 put their press conferences and lawyers on hold, and his own wife money 2 "stay with him for 2 years" while they sort things out.

If he were really interested in keeping his family 2gether, he'd tell the OWs and their lawyers 2 jump in a lake. What could they do, sue him for lying 2 them?? Instead, he sent the strongest message ever 2 his wife that protecting his secrecy is more important than protecting her from his narcissistic behavior.

If I were her, even with a pre-nup, I'd 2rn down his "offer" for millions 2 stay, get out NOW, and start over.

...Hi Mr G and CV!

-ol' 2long

Sugar, you're not a golfer, I suspect. Ballwashers are containers that hold soapy water that golfers dunk their golf balls in to wash them off before they tee off.
Of course, in this case, "ballwashers" refers to Tiger's balls...er...not his Titleists...

Well, it's obvious by now that Tiger has been putting on many, many courses. As a serial cheater, he has earned the right to be promptly kicked to the curb by his wife.

He also deserves an extra swift kick for placing his M in the realm of a financial deal.

Interesting, Tiger is driving a herd of us old timers out of the rough.

I heard a PBS broadcast a year or so ago in which it was not jut alleged but confirmed Tiger has always had a really, really, really foul mouth and a very explosive temper, but the media keep it all well hidden.

However, the broadcast was mainly about how much marital cheating goes on in the PGA. It is more of a Philanderer�s Golf Association than anything else. And has been since the 60�s. There is no accountability whatsoever in the PGA. Cheating is definitely promoted within the PGA as well-earned perk.

I am involved with a PGA tournament held locally every year. Each and every pro shows up with a new skank in tow every year. Including all the married ones.

As far as Tiger�s future? I do not believe he will ever change this aspect of his cheating personality. Not ever. Never. He will develop new and better camouflage though. I�m willing to handicap a large bet on this.

PS: I love the Tigre jokes. Need one about his wife hitting a bucket of balls.

PPS: This is the kind of thing my wife occasionally tries to use to mitigate her 10 year-long adultery (and half our marriage at the time): �See, everyone does it. What I did was not a big deal.�

PPPS: Why is my post text centerd and not justified? Is that a new mb forum feature?

WH said the same thing. He even used a golf analogy to me to explain his behavior. Said he's always been a middle of the fairway kind of guy. Consistent and boring. Said it was nice to change it up a bit. Hit from the rough. Keep the game exciting.

I came back with my analogy. That keeping the game consistent kept your score down. And lower scores are likely to win tournaments, intice sponsors, and keep the fans happy. But if you keep missing the green because your shot isn't the usual, people stop following you. You fall back in the standings. No one wants to follow you around the course. Usually end up trying to figure out how to get your old swing back. Might even pay big money to get expert advice for that.

So... yeah... golf can get boring. But if you don't want to play by the rules and play your best every time, why play at all? Go find a miniture golf course and bring your skank with you.

P.S. Also used a poker analogy. Every hands a winner, every hands a loser....

I wasnt't even thinking of it that way when I used the term but that works.

Elin's moved out.

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I had always loved Tiger. He seemed cleancut, no drugs, family oriented..(LOL the joke is on me).

As soon as I heard the first hints of scandal, and saw that he wanted it to remain "private", my cheater radar kicked on.

Hope his wife lets him move on with one of his mistresses and bows out. His behavior was just too sleazy - cheating before they were married, while she was carrying his child, having his ho's over to his home, and in the same hotel when his wife was 9 months pregnant.

Sad that it had to come out this time of year, but Elin can do much better.

Hi Believer-Hope you are doing well. Give us some updates, BTW!
I agree with you about Tiger, and it looks like today's news brings even more to the debacle.
Clearly, he's a serial adulterer who feels he is above the morality and ethics the rest of us hope to abide by. I hope he catches something from these skankahoes and something starts to rot off...
I am such a big fan of Tiger's, at least I used to be. I am so conflicted right now, because of his kids.
I wonder if he'll be up your way for the next big tournament at Torrey Pines....
My money's not on that happening, with all that has occured here, how can he show his face ANYWHERE?

NBC is reporting that a woman was taken out of Tiger's home this morning and is on life support.

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It was reported yesterday that Elin moved out.

I wonder how bad this will affect him financially.

He may be reduced to working as a pro trainer for a measaly few hundred thousand a year.

Oh the humanity!!!!

It's his mother in law who was transported out of his home

The latest score is:

Tiger: 1
Bimbos: 10

This morning, Dr. Drew (of Sex Rehab) commented that Tiger is likely a sex addict because of the secretiveness of his other life. If it's your life to have a woman in every port, then fine. But if it's a double life and people are getting hurt, then there's a problem.

And the mention of drugs. Dr. Drew said this is common. That one addiction feeds another addiction.

He said that Tiger can be helped if he wants to be helped. His marriage can be saved if he wants to save it. Both people must want to save the marriage and commit to it for it to be saved. We all know that.

I never understood sex addicts.

If you want it that bad, do it yourself rather than cheat on your spouse. I'm sure if you communicate how badly you need it to your spouse, they wouldn't mind you taking care of your own needs.

When you sleep with ho�s, you get skanked.

I�m not surprised, just surprised that we hadn�t heard about this sooner. He hung with known cheaters. Cheaters like that �birds of a feather� thing.

I�m sad for his wife but she�ll be ok. I know she�s hurting but she should move on. I have to wonder though, if you�re sitting in a restaurant and your hubby is eyeballing other women, wouldn�t you notice? Professional athletes have all kinds of groupies, women that would do anything to sleep with these men. She must have known.

I feel badly for the kids that may grow up without having their father in their lives on a daily basis (but with his travel schedule, how often did he spend time with them anyway?). However, cheaters are not known for good parenting skills either. Too bad this has to play out in the national media.

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A few of those are probably phony.

All this Tiger stuff is bringing back tough memories of my own d-day: finding out about H's seventeen years of cheating with paid-for sex and affairs. Luckily, I didn't find out from the National Enquirer, and my pain wasn't broadcast to the whole world.

But, I have to say that the biggest shock to me was that my husband was capable of behaving like this. He came across to everyone as a man who was conservative to the point of primness. All he had to do was establish himself as a somewhat moody, reticent human being, and he kept me and everyone else at a safe distance.

So I think it's entirely possible that Elin was in the dark about her husband, and that all of this has come as a profound shock. Tiger may well have been a model husband while he was with her...but he seems to have managed not to be with her too much of the time. After all, she's been pregnant for eighteen months of their marriage, and has two small children to look after. Not much travelling can be done.

My heart aches for her.

She can't even come here, because everyone would know instantly who she was!

TA

My WH used to be a professional athlete, and I never thought he would've cheated. I think it's entirely possible that she had no idea. And the assumption that anyone who marries a professional athlete should just "know" that they will cheat is crap.

Does anyone have further details on the confrontation between Elin and Tiger's mom.

Mrs Wood senior sounds like an enabler. Her name and that of the family is tarnished too.

Finding out that our spouses were capable of adultery and committed adultery, was shocking and devastating to all/most of us. After some distance (years, in fact) and looking back on my ex�s behavior, the signs were there that he was capable of these things. My intuition told me that things were not right but I let him �gaslight� me. I didn�t want to believe. When I refused to lie to myself anymore, I saw the truth. This is just my experience. Yes, I�m cynical. I�m sorry if I offended anyone, I wasn�t trying to.

Not offended, GL.

It's just that some people think, "well, she married an athlete, she should have known he'd cheat". A lot of people think like that. and maybe some athletes have "open" marriages where their wives are ok with whatever, but that's not always the case.

Given Elin's reaction (i.e. alleged golf club incident) I assume she was shocked to find out her husband is a cheater.

I agree and I should have worded that differently. Not everyone cheats.

Sure she can. Like A.A., anyone who is interested in recovering is welcome. And unless there's a reason for any of us to break our anonymity on this board, that's what we are: anonymous.

We too, have a singleness of purpose: Marital recovery. One's status in life should not be an impediment to recovery.

(From someone who has known some very recognizable people in the rooms of A.A.)

We might be 'anonymous', but the facts of her situation are pretty unique, and this is a public forum. Given how sensitive we are to 'withheld' information, she'd get a rough ride over facts that didn't gel. Give the truth, and the media would be on here fast enough to crash the MB server.


TA

Gatorade just dropped him.

Good. I'm glad to hear that they dropped him.

I still can't get over all the women who are coming forward about being his "mistress".

It's like they're proud of it. It's sick. There used to be a time when the OW was ashamed of what they were doing.

Tiger "Red Drive" is one of my favorite sports beverages. I'm sure Gatorade will simply remarket it under a different name, but there are so many out there I'll have to find out which it is.

Seriously, how the heck do you keep 10 bimbos secret when you are a sports STAR?

Tiger to his young daughter, Sam:
Honey, there are two kinds of women in this world: Skankahoes and betrayed wives. I'm looking forward to seeing you grow up to be one or both of them.

Yeah, "Is it in you" just didn't sound right anymore...

sorry couldn't help myself

Don�t you wish in your heart of hearts that she could have this support group that we have been so fortunate to have for ourselves? If only she knew what was here. There is nothing like the education that comes from these pages. The many old pros that provide common sense and truth are like seeing the world for the first time for someone newly arrived here.

Like you, my heart aches for her too.

Many of them thought they were the apple of Tiger�s eye. They thought they were special and that Tiger loved them. Now they feel betrayed. Laughable, if it were not so sad.

But the real reason for these gals to step forward is to extort cash from Tiger in exchange for silence. It appears that it is working as Tiger is reported to have paid millions to keep them quiet so far.

From cocktail waitress to millionaire, overnight.

Yes, I really wish that she could come here and get help for herself. Tiger well..IDK, he is so special...so different..lol sorry.

Seriuosly I have been able to heal quite a bit by being here and seeing what mistakes I made, and what things I did right in my marriage. (Whitout re-writing history TY. My conscience would catch up with me anyways)

I wish she could come here and be with the real human side of what I consider some amazing and insightful people here. I hope she sees a really good counselor wherever she goes.

Welcome to the human race Elin and let him keep the $. You can have your dignity.

I wonder what WS's think when they read/hear/see these stories of Tiger's infidelity. Are they so distanced from their own actions that they don't see the similarities, or does this gnaw away at that "inner person" that must still remain (or else the alien invader has completed the takeover and they'll never return)?

Which makes you wonder how many more there are that he was able to buy off before the media found them.

And if there are any who are truly ashamed of themselves that are hiding from the media.

It's actually quite sickening.

1) Wh*res are paid to leave and keep quiet. That's what the money is for.

2) He is surrounded by enablers who will do absolutely anything for him, no matter how stupid or destructive, in order to hang around in his shadow and eat the crumbs that fall from his table. See also "Presley, Elvis" and "Jackson, Michael". And look how well things turned out for them.
Mulan

As a FWW, when I heard about Tiger, one word came to mind - IDIOT

When I think of my own infidelity, one words comes to mind - IDIOT

Well, there are other words, but a lady doesn't say them.

What kind of person risks and hurts the people closest to them for some fake, temporary pleasure?
an IDIOT

Here is the e-mail I just sent to Nike:

*****
I will no longer buy any Nike Products as long as Nike has Tiger Woods as a spokesperson.

If he is in an ad, the message is, "Successful Men Cheat on Their Wives. And Nike is Okay With That."

Adultery destroys families. It destroys lives. It leads directly to divorce and domestic violence.

I hope you will not have an outrageous cheater and disrespecter of families like Tiger Woods in your advertising ever again.
*****

Feel free to re-use, if you wish.
Mulan

A hardnosed coach was on ESPN this morning with advice for Tiger. I can't remember all of it, but basically he said Tiger needs to be told "no." He needs to stop all golf appearances for at least 6 months, reject any payoffs from current endorsements for not keeping up his image, fire all his posse (from marketing to management to caddy to handlers), get therapy, and FIX HIS MARRIAGE.

Insiders say that Tiger hasn't been "happy" for the past two years and it was evident in his performances. Like the wins were becoming "ho hum" and he wasn't satisfied anymore by being the best golfer in the world.

Perhaps a MLC since he's been "working" his career as long or longer than 40-50 year olds have been working theirs. And the boredom of golf -- like the boredom in a marriage or boredom in his life. I mean, when winning a major doesn't make him cry anymore, something is wrong.

And it's not like golf changes. Really. Same game, different course. Same game he's been playing for 30 of his 33 years... since he could hold a club.

So he's burned out on golf, life, image,.... not "happy" and looking for an outlet -- er -- 10 outlets.

Tiger needs help to restore his image with the public. Because he NEEDS the public to continue his fortune. He NEEDS fans to watch him play, buy his products, continue his life....

Or he can retire at 33 and become a bum giving golf lessons to rich people who care nothing about Tiger's reputation but are willing to shell out money to learn how to emulate his swing.

Just my opinion......

Maybe Tiger forgot, or never learned, that the secret to happiness is not what you Get. It's what you Give. It's the Getting that breeds the boredom, not the Giving.

Look what Tiger Got - and he was still bored? Still not happy? Clue, anyone?
Mulan

I will send one right now, can you provide me the Nike link.

Mr. G, I just went to nike.com and looked around for "contact us". Thanks for sending! Everybody join in! Come on, it's fun!
Mulan

It's actually Nikebiz.com that handles the corporate endorsements.

yep

I actually thought about that too - WH used to love play as Tiger Woods on the Wii

Here is the response Nike sent me to my email (I didn't save what I sent... basically... that Tiger is an embarassment to their company because of his lack of morals and family values. How I will not be purchasing any Nike products as long as he's their spokesman and I will encourage the athletic teams in my area to do the same. How "Just Do It" slogan now gags me. How there are better athletes of CHARACTER they can use to represent their company... ):

[We appreciate the time you took to express your comments concerning Nike's relationship with Tiger Woods. We will share your feedback with the management team.

Thank you for your email.

Sincerely,

Andy
Nike

Hopefully this "case", as it plays out in the media over the months/years ahead, will at the very least send a strong message that:

Entitlement and extreme s2pidity are a bad combination of traits in a marriage partner.

-ol' 2log

Thanks for this !

OOPS!

ol' 3pod

Seems the size of someone's wallet often makes folks overlook these shortcomings.

This guy is very messed up and it has shown through in glimpses throughout the years. Hopefully, he will change into a decent human being at some point.

I predict that won't happen unless he becomes an average citizen at the same time. Extreme humility is a necessary ingredient for Weeds' growth that is unlikely 2 ever be part of the mix.

-ol' 2long