I will have to agree with Souloss'ExH. Intimacy is not just about getting the semen out. It's about becoming one in the spirit. It is a beautiful thing. It's not only for pleasures of the body, but also for the mind.<P>If it was only for that, us women wouldn't complain when men just get right to it, so to speak. The same pampering that women want, men want too. It's fair as long as their is an understanding that no one is being forced to do anything they do want as in Ravenhair's case.<P>Hope this thread is helping....<P>------------------<BR>"If you can learn from the mistakes of others, you won't have to make them youself."<P>lady_divine77@yahoo.com