Since you asked ...

I think that nellie (myself included) and Fiancee are talking about two different types of people. I married a woman like N describes. I fully beleive this.

I think that some marriage can survive regardless, but both parties MUST have the moral fortitude to keep their promises, regardless. If not, adidios.

Background has a huge amount to do with it! Nellie, I would suggest that you are capable of passing along to the kids who is worthy of marriage and who is not. What this site has tauaght me is that I can teach my babies these lessons despite our failure, by CONTRAST. This experience is not all for naught.

Eric32