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Every man doesn't get the chance for fight with pirates, but they are heros just the same. 
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I agree, but this couple was dysfunctional to begin with. He was her high school coach way back when, they had an affair, ended up getting married -- 35 years ago. She rules the roost.
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To Still-Crazy
If you'll notice, I started this thread in 2004 :MrEEk:
I can't remember what made me title it this way - something going on with Believer and myself ....
BUT this thread was started to HELP MEN become better husbands. To HELP MEN think about what it means to be a man. It expresses how special I think men are.
This thread is essentially about a wonderful book I read and my H was reading ....
Does this help? I do not know why you are concerned about my opinion anyway. I am not trying to point out Pepperband, it is just MY observation of MB and MINE ONLY and i am just entitled to it as anyone else.
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it is just MY observation of MB and MINE ONLY and i am just entitled to it as anyone else. Yes - I see. I was trying to clear up any possible misunderstanding. Be well.
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FWIW i love men too.
I just do not know ANY women IRL who were big into the womens lib movement and so i do not understand why men would think that way at all it is just baffling to me because of the women i know IRL they have total respect for their husbands.
I know several couples IRL where the husband is a TOTAL CHAUVINISTIC PIG however.
So my life experiences are the total opposite of this thread and most of the others that i feel are "women bashing".
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I know several couples IRL where the husband is a TOTAL CHAUVINISTIC PIG however.
So my life experiences are the total opposite of this thread and most of the others that i feel are "women bashing". I haven't seen too many women get bashed around here who didn't have it coming. We are big girls and can take it. If you see some woman on the forum struggling, why not help her buck up? Be EQUAL! GEt on your big girl panties! Be a man! 
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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IMHO this thread itself IS "bashing women" by saying that we do not think men are men.
I do not mean any woman in particular. I feel that MB looks less harshly on men in general than it does women in general IMHO.
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Why in the world would a wife NOT like this book??? After reading: "The man comes to offer his strength and the woman invites the man into herself, an act that requires courage and vulnerability and selflessness for both of them. Notice first that if the man will not rise to the occasion, nothing will happen. He must move, his strength must swell before he can enter her. But neither will the love consummate unless the woman opens herself in stunning vulnerability. When both are living as they were meant to live, the man enters the woman and offers her his strength. He spills himself there, in her, for her, she draws him in, embraces and envelops him. When all is over, he is spent, but ah, what a sweet death it is." I would not have read this book. It read like a soft porn Harlequin novel to me.  Not my thing and I really tried reading more but it just wasn't working for me.
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We gain strength, and courage, and confidence by each experience in which we really stop to look fear in the face... we must do that which we think we cannot.
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IMHO this thread itself IS "bashing women" by saying that we do not think men are men. How is that "bashing women?" And if a woman is "bashed," is she man enough to take it? 
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Just exactly WHAT book is being discussed?
I see the post was bumped. Being new, I don't know where you go to find a bumped post.
Sounds like the book might be Wild At Heart by Eldridge.
I buy all his books on CD for H as he can listen to them as he drives around all day. Books put him to sleep.
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Sounds like the book might be Wild At Heart by Eldridge Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding-- you get the prize. That is the book.
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Why in the world would a wife NOT like this book??? After reading: "The man comes to offer his strength and the woman invites the man into herself, an act that requires courage and vulnerability and selflessness for both of them. Notice first that if the man will not rise to the occasion, nothing will happen. He must move, his strength must swell before he can enter her. But neither will the love consummate unless the woman opens herself in stunning vulnerability. When both are living as they were meant to live, the man enters the woman and offers her his strength. He spills himself there, in her, for her, she draws him in, embraces and envelops him. When all is over, he is spent, but ah, what a sweet death it is." I would not have read this book. It read like a soft porn Harlequin novel to me. Not my thing and I really tried reading more but it just wasn't working for me. Well, that's too bad because you are really judging the whole book by this one paragraph. The book is hardly about sex at all, but this one paragraph makes a TON of sense if it is read in the context of the whole book. In fact, I want to say that this is all he EVER says about sex, or just about (maybe it's mentioned once or twice more, I can't remember...it's been a while since I have read it). It's a wonderful book and if women want to understand men better and help them to BE better men, then this is most definitely the book to read. One of these days I will get around to reading it yet again...that would be my third time, I believe. Not counting watching the DVDs.
Me,BW - 42; FWH-46 4 kids D-Day #s1 and 2~May 2006 D-Day #3~Feb.27, 2007 (we'd been in a FR) Plan B~ March 3 ~ April 6, 2007 In Recovery and things are improving every day. MB rocks.
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Shoot, if you thought this ONE PARAGRAPH is too "Harlequin" for you, then
DON'T.
READ.
SCHNARCH.
His book is called "Passionate Marriage" and it is AWESOME. But you really have to be ready and open to read it and try putting it into practice.
It's about sex but NOT technique...much, much more and way more deep than most people can grasp. IMHO, anyways.
Me,BW - 42; FWH-46 4 kids D-Day #s1 and 2~May 2006 D-Day #3~Feb.27, 2007 (we'd been in a FR) Plan B~ March 3 ~ April 6, 2007 In Recovery and things are improving every day. MB rocks.
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And, don't forget to read, listen to Captivating, which tells the woman's story/part
Wild - Men need to go on a grand adventure
Men need to know they can "Do it" - slay the dragon, win the war, close the deal
Men need to rescue the girl
secular abbreviated version: American Western - Aka Louis L'Amour
Guy beats the bad guys,
keeps the ranch,
gets the girl
BS -me 69 WS - him 68
Married 40 years
OW - "daughter" added to family 1/05 for "Fathering healing" - 26 years younger
EA 1/05 - 12/07 PA 8/07 - 12/07
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secular abbreviated version: American Western - Aka Louis L'Amour
Guy beats the bad guys,
keeps the ranch,
gets the girl  Ain't that the truth.
Widowed 11/10/12 after 35 years of marriage
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Pep:
Thanks for bumping this.....
Good Stuff.
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Why in the world would a wife NOT like this book??? After reading: "The man comes to offer his strength and the woman invites the man into herself, an act that requires courage and vulnerability and selflessness for both of them. Notice first that if the man will not rise to the occasion, nothing will happen. He must move, his strength must swell before he can enter her. But neither will the love consummate unless the woman opens herself in stunning vulnerability. When both are living as they were meant to live, the man enters the woman and offers her his strength. He spills himself there, in her, for her, she draws him in, embraces and envelops him. When all is over, he is spent, but ah, what a sweet death it is." I would not have read this book. It read like a soft porn Harlequin novel to me. Not my thing and I really tried reading more but it just wasn't working for me. Totally agree with you!!!
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IMHO this thread itself IS "bashing women" by saying that we do not think men are men. How is that "bashing women?" And if a woman is "bashed," is she man enough to take it? I can not explain it but to me it is "bashing women in general". I was not raised like you were raised nor was anyone that i know. I do not emasculate men, i do not believe the way this thread speaks or any of the other threads mentioned in the other posts regarding men. I would never teach my son that it is okay to let a woman "push him around" or be attacked by someone and not fight back that is ridiculous and i guess in my experiences with the people that i know i have not met any woman who believes this way.
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Still: Did you, or Black Raven? read ANY of this thread? Why in the world would a wife NOT like this book??? After reading: "The man comes to offer his strength and the woman invites the man into herself, an act that requires courage and vulnerability and selflessness for both of them. Notice first that if the man will not rise to the occasion, nothing will happen. He must move, his strength must swell before he can enter her. But neither will the love consummate unless the woman opens herself in stunning vulnerability. When both are living as they were meant to live, the man enters the woman and offers her his strength. He spills himself there, in her, for her, she draws him in, embraces and envelops him. When all is over, he is spent, but ah, what a sweet death it is." I would not have read this book. It read like a soft porn Harlequin novel to me. Not my thing and I really tried reading more but it just wasn't working for me. Totally agree with you!!! Sure, I read the first post, then the ENTIRE thread. I read the quote that Pep posted, and could have "only" seen the sexual aspect of the description. But I saw the MUCH deeper meaning of it all. I didn't even have to read the rest of the book to know that I SHOULD be reading it. You can fit many of Dr. Harley's EN's into that quoted passage. Think about it. LG
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