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Hi,

Just looking for some insight, support, etc. My husband had an online affair a little over a year ago. Luckily, I caught it by accident before it became physical. I never dreamed it could happen to us. We'll be celebrating (?) 5 yrs this yr and have a 2yr old daughter.

When he told me that he didn't think he loved me anymore, I gave him an ultimatum: her or us. Thankfully, he chose to work on our marriage. Things were better for a while after he broke it off, but he's fallen back into the old habits that got him there in the first place. He is addicted to the internet (though he refuses to admit it) and until last week when my mother intervened, doh2 he refused to give up any of his internet time. Now he's slowly getting back on the net at night and when I'm not home. I've threatened to cut it off but he's in school and needs it for research projects. He is constantly lying for no reason at all and tries to hide things from me (i.e., money, secrets). My rose-colored glasses fell off after our daughter was born, and now I am amazed at how selfish and lazy he really is. He puts his needs first instead of ours. Dump on me - fine; dump on our daughter - no way! My entire family told me he was this way but I always defended him. Now I see clearly.

We've been to marriage counseling and it seemed to help for a while, but we are finding ourselves in the same old rut. I've done Love Languages, Love Dare and read marriage self-help books extensively. I never thought I'd get to this point, but I'm about ready to throw in the towel. I'm tired of trying and I don't know if I even want to try anymore. I don't really want a divorce, but now I'm wondering if our daughter will suffer if I stay in the marriage and she learns his bad habits...

Help?! Thank you!

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Lau79,
Sorry you are here. I would go to the Newsletter Forum and read Harley's articles on when to call it quits and unconditional love. I think it will help you look at your situation more closely and help you with whatever you decide. The first 10 years of marriage are the most challenging. How old are you and H?

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Thank you, Gg - I'll do that. I'm 30 and he'll be 33 in a couple of months.

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Hi Laur, I, too, welcome you to MB but I'm so sorry for your need to be here.
Your story is similar to mine so I'll insert a few comments below in green:

Originally Posted by laur79
Hi,

Just looking for some insight, support, etc. My husband had an online affair a little over a year ago. Mine did too....actually he did "three" and "four" involving 4 D-Days over 6 months in 2006.

Luckily, I caught it by accident before it became physical. My FWH and his OW never even met each other (she lives across the country) but neither of us knew about withdrawal symptoms. We didn't know about exposure or writing a no contact (NC) letter.

I never dreamed it could happen to us. Neither did we.
We'll be celebrating (?) 5 yrs this yr and have a 2yr old daughter. We were detached in a highly dysfunctional relationship for over 30 years. Then I gave up and he got lonely after 2 years which is partially what contributed to his E/PA (they had cyber and email sex so even though they never met in person, technically it WAS also a physical affair).

When he told me that he didn't think he loved me anymore, I gave him an ultimatum: her or us. Thankfully, he chose to work on our marriage. What exactly did you do to "work" on your marriage?

Things were better for a while after he broke it off, but he's fallen back into the old habits that got him there in the first place. Unless you address the root of your issues, they will linger under the surface forever. This site will help you identify how you can fix your broken foundation so the symptoms will gradually become your testimony of what you've overcome.

He is addicted to the internet (though he refuses to admit it) and until last week when my mother intervened, doh2 he refused to give up any of his internet time. Now he's slowly getting back on the net at night and when I'm not home. I've threatened to cut it off but he's in school and needs it for research projects. Threatening and fighting him regarding his addiction will be a lost cause.

He is constantly lying for no reason at all and tries to hide things from me (i.e., money, secrets). My rose-colored glasses fell off after our daughter was born, and now I am amazed at how selfish and lazy he really is. He puts his needs first instead of ours. There is hope for you but it will be a lot of work. You might read all the articles on this site and possibly call the counseling center to help you get a plan.

Dump on me - fine; dump on our daughter - no way! Unfortunately, when he dumps on you, he indirectly (and possibly directly) dumps on your daughter, too.

My entire family told me he was this way but I always defended him. Now I see clearly. You'll have to decide if this relationship is worth saving. It seems to me like it is. But it depends on how hard you and he are willing to work and how many setbacks you're able to endure. The 4 MB promises (Care, Protection, Honesty, Time) along with the Love Bank and Lovebuster concepts related to you individual EN's (emotional needs) will help you begin to change the dynamics of your relationship.

We've been to marriage counseling and it seemed to help for a while, but we are finding ourselves in the same old rut. I've done Love Languages, Love Dare and read marriage self-help books extensively. I never thought I'd get to this point, but I'm about ready to throw in the towel. I'm tired of trying and I don't know if I even want to try anymore. I know how you feel.....I got tired of trying after 30+ years. Most counselor have no clue how to help couples overcome infidelity. But after making one last effort to change (both he and me) we are now recovering and experiencing the marriage of our dreams. (Our story is linked to my sig line.)

I don't really want a divorce, but now I'm wondering if our daughter will suffer if I stay in the marriage and she learns his bad habits... If you are willing to work hard and your spouse chooses to work with you, you can fix your marriage (including his bad habits...and possibly a few of yours you may not be aware of) so that you and your daughter will benefit from your intact marriage.

Help?! Thank you!

Laur, it will not be easy. You will have many setbacks to overcome, but you can do this if you choose to. Remember that you cannot change your husband, but you can change yourself which might encourage your H to change and grow with you.

Because I had been looking for a scriptural reason to get out, I almost went Plan D on our first D-Day but decided to fight for our family after our then-20-something son challenged us to try everything before giving up. Now, after 4 D-Days, 3 FRs (false recoveries) during the first 6 months, intense MC (marital counseling) for over a year as well as what we've learned from this site, we are well on our way to recovery 3+ years later.

Best wishes to you, Laur. Keep seeking and you'll find solutions for your situation.

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Originally Posted by laur79
he refused to give up any of his internet time.
Do you have a keylogger so that you know exactly what he's doing or saying online? If not, install eBlaster on your computer(s). It emails reports to you exactly what sites are visited and what he's typing. You can buy it online (I recall $99 for one license, $169 for two if you have another computer) and it takes about 5 minutes to load.

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Thanks, Ace - I definitely have a lot of reading to do.

The huge chunk of my working on our marriage is maintaining healthy boundaries between me and my mom. She leaned on me very hard when she and my dad divorced a few years ago. (Another saga in and of itself). This led to what our therapist called triangulation, where I was caught in the middle. I had to re-learn a healthy way to communicate with her, which involves a lot of restraint about what I tell her. We are still close, however and when I get frustrated, she is often the person I speak to about our problems. Maybe not a good idea, but she's my mom, after all.

Another thing I work on is not calling names or saying hurtful things when I get frustrated and mad with him. He rarely responds to my requests for help at home, meeting my needs, etc. This is difficult for me, as I remind him, remind again and again, and finally blow up at him because he writes me off all the time. I refuse to nag and half the time I just give up, but I build resentment every time that happens. I've tried every approach I can think of, but the light bulb never seems to go off with him. It just makes me feel like his wants and needs are #1... and forget everyone else.

I don't think we have found the root of the issue yet. I would like to see our marriage repaired, but I don't know if he can change his behavior. I'm scared that this IS him, the person I married. According to my family, it is. They told me that they don't want to hurt me, but they feel like I'm just delaying the inevitable and need to get out before our daughter is much older.

Thanks for the encouragement!

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I downloaded a free application a couple of weeks ago to check what websites he was accessing. Don't have the $$ for keylogger. I found a link to a porn site, but he swears up and down that he did not go on that site. He found the spyware on the computer and confronted me about it. I told him darn straight I was checking up on him. He was a little upset, but said that he could understand why I did that. He showed me a site where he watches sports that he went to and sure enough, there were shady little advertisements down in the corner. He swore that he did not go on any of them, but that was the only place he could think of that a page would pop up like that.

His main problem was playing Street Racing on myspace. He was so consumed with the game that he had "bots" that ran his various accounts all day and all night. He made a few friends (one guy and then a couple) that he started talking to for hours on end on his cell phone. He ran our bill up to almost $300 last month. Furthermore, he sent some money to one of them because they were having trouble paying their bills. We live paycheck to paycheck and it bounced our bank account. That's when I drew the line, and after ventilating to my mom about it, she came and talked to us. He gave all his Street Racing accounts away to his friends and deleted all his bots. Of course he complained about giving up 2 years of work.

I still have the spyware on the computer, but I haven't checked up on him in over a week. I also discovered that he's changed all his passwords to his email, myspace and facebook.

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Would your Mom give you the $$ for a key logger?

I was going to recommend a weekend w/the Harleys but that will be out of your budget. I'm not sure what they charge for the home study course but I think if I were you, I'd think long and hard about this. If you really are just about done with him, then tell him exactly how you feel - but without love busters. No angry outbursts, disrespectful judgments, or selfish demands! Then tell him if he wants to help you turn things around that you want to do a home study course with the Harleys, and you want him to *actively* participate.

If he agrees, and if you both follow through, it will change your lives. If he can't be bothered, well, then I guess you have your answer frown

The love languages book is very good. What's your H's love language?

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I'm sure my mom would give me the $$ for a key logger. I will definitely consider it.

I'm doing a lot of reading on the site now and finding that I still have some stuff to work on. Of course, I know this can't be a one-sided thing. I plan on giving him the emotional needs questionnaire this weekend. I completed mine yesterday.

I'm going to give this one good last shot. I've decided to use the next month to really put my all into it and ask him to do the same. Hopefully, we can work through this!!

Thanks so much for everyone's advice!

By the way, his primary love language is words of affirmation, secondary being physical touch. Mine are quality time and acts of service.

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Laur, which questionaire did you use?

The reason why I ask is that my BW and I originally read Love Languages like you. That framework and questionnaire breaks the languages (i.e. emotional needs) into five. MB (developed by Dr. Harley) concepts goes a little further and has 10. By reading His Needs Her Needs by Dr. Harley, I thought it was a more thorough framework and listed more EN's that aren't covered in Love Languages. For instance, "Honesty and Openness " is an EN (based on what you've gone through, might be a top one for you), but where does that fit in into Love Languages?

Btw, the MB questionnaire is free on this website. Good luck...

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Originally Posted by laur79
Thanks, Ace - I definitely have a lot of reading to do.

The huge chunk of my working on our marriage is maintaining healthy boundaries between me and my mom. She leaned on me very hard when she and my dad divorced a few years ago. (Another saga in and of itself). This led to what our therapist called triangulation, where I was caught in the middle. I had to re-learn a healthy way to communicate with her, which involves a lot of restraint about what I tell her. We are still close, however and when I get frustrated, she is often the person I speak to about our problems. Maybe not a good idea, but she's my mom, after all.

My suggestion: Vent here instead of to your Mom. That might help you with your efforts to establish healthy boundaries and exercise restraint.

Another thing I work on is not calling names or saying hurtful things when I get frustrated and mad with him. He rarely responds to my requests for help at home, meeting my needs, etc. This is difficult for me, as I remind him, remind again and again, and finally blow up at him because he writes me off all the time. I refuse to nag and half the time I just give up, but I build resentment every time that happens. I've tried every approach I can think of, but the light bulb never seems to go off with him. It just makes me feel like his wants and needs are #1... and forget everyone else.

You can't change him, Laur. You can only control yourself. If you focus on the changes YOU need to make in yourself, your H might choose to change himself, too. That's what happened in our case.

I don't think we have found the root of the issue yet. I would like to see our marriage repaired, but I don't know if he can change his behavior. I'm scared that this IS him, the person I married. According to my family, it is. They told me that they don't want to hurt me, but they feel like I'm just delaying the inevitable and need to get out before our daughter is much older.

You might need to exercise restraint and healthy boundaries with your family too. You're right....your H IS HIM today. But that doesn't mean that he can't be different tomorrow. I thought the same thing as you for 30+ years (and was looking for a way out of our M). But when my H became a WH, and I had that way out, I CHANGED! Gradually, HE is changing now, too.

Thanks for the encouragement!

Laur, I do hope that you follow through on making every effort possible to find the root of your issues in your M and try to fix them before you give up. Use this web site to educate yourself and this discussion forum to vent your frustrations.
We'll be here for you.

Best wishes to you in your efforts,
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Thank you so much for the encouragement and support!

I'm going to ask him to do the MB Emotional Needs Questionnaire this weekend. I agree that it's more thorough than Love Languages.

I'm going to give this my all and ask him to do the same. I know there are areas where I can improve, and I certainly don't feel as hopeless as I did a couple of days ago about the situation in general.

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Originally Posted by laur79
I'm going to give this my all and ask him to do the same. I know there are areas where I can improve, and I certainly don't feel as hopeless as I did a couple of days ago about the situation in general.
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Good for you, Laur. Remember that you may be able to ask him to give it his all but you may set yourself up for a setback if you have high expectations for him to do the same and he balks.

It might be better to focus on the changes you need to make first. That might produce better results than asking/expecting your H to give it his all, which could possibly cause him to be defensive.

You have every reason to be hopeful, Laur.

Wishing you well,
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Remember that you may be able to ask him to give it his all but you may set yourself up for a setback if you have high expectations for him to do the same and he balks.

I've asked him 3 times this weekend to read the summary and do the questionnaire... he hasn't yet. frown

Furthermore, he told me yesterday that the couple who he made friends with on Street Racing are MOVING HERE from another state, 10 hrs away. This couple sounds like trouble. They both sit on their tails all day and play computer games... unemployed and on Medicaid.

*SIGH*

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Remember that you may be able to ask him to give it his all but you may set yourself up for a setback if you have high expectations for him to do the same and he balks.

I've asked him 3 times this weekend to read the summary and do the questionnaire... he hasn't yet. frown

You can only control yourself, your half, Laur. You can't control him nor make him change. You might work on those changes you said you need to improve yourself. Stop LBs, even if he continues his independent behaviours (IBs) and give him a reason to notice you're changing for the better. Be patient and keep going using the info/articles on this website to help you plan. Create more reasons for him to 'pick you' than other options.

How much do you know about these newcomers? Have you participated online with them, too? It may be nothing but it might be something to be concerned with. Do you think your H has given them personal information that might make you both vulnerable?

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Furthermore, he told me yesterday that the couple who he made friends with on Street Racing are MOVING HERE from another state, 10 hrs away. This couple sounds like trouble. They both sit on their tails all day and play computer games... unemployed and on Medicaid.

*SIGH*


Laur, sorry you are here. Dr Harley has an excellent article that addresses situations like yours where a spouse refuses to meet the needs of his spouse. His advice saved the marriage of the couple in this case study. This might be a more effective plan for your situation: here


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