It's very strange....<P>The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11<BR>September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11<BR>After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year.<BR>1 19 is the area code to Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 = 11<BR>Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11<BR>The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11<P> But ...There's More.......<BR> State of New York - The 11 State added to the Union<BR> New York City - 11 Letters<BR> Afghanistan - 11 Letters<BR> The Pentagon - 11 Letters<BR> Ramzi Yousef - 11 Letters( convicted of orchestrating the attack on the<BR>WTC in 1993)<BR> Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11<BR> Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11<P><BR>

I have no idea, but it is pretty darn interesting.

Yeah, it is...wonder who spent all that time working that stuff out, too.<P>I can't spell email!!! Well, I can, but it is a funny typo...mealies are corn cobs in South Africa.

very very strange....<P>I had the thought just today, I wonder what the significance of that date is in the Islamic calendar?<P>Hope you're keeping well, I'm off the air as per my post until I get some extension cords...<P>take care<P>love and hugs<P>Jo

<BR>False Prophecy<P><BR>Claim: A 1654 Nostradamus prediction said World War IIIwould begin with the fall of "two brothers," a reference to the destroyed World Trade Center towers.<P>Status: False.<P>Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2001]<P><BR>"In the City of God there will be a great thunder,<BR>Two brothers torn apart by Chaos,<BR>while the fortress endures,<BR>the great leader will succumb,<BR>The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"<P> Nostradamus 1654<P>Origins: The turmoil of recent events has us all scrambling,some to look for solace and meaning, others for the terroristsresponsible, and yet others for signs that what happened couldhave been prevented or at least foreseen. The 11 September 2001 attack on America destroyed not only the two WorldTrade Center towers in New York City, a chunk of the Pentagon in Washington, and caused untold loss of life, it also shookAmerica's sense of invulnerability. No longer do Americanspresume safety in an unsafe world.<P>For some, that realization is an eye-opener, unsettling butnecessary, in that a child's blissful unawareness has been replaced (at great cost) with an adult's more clear-eyed view ofthe world and its sometimes horrifying ways. For others, itspells the beginning of the end, in that they equated an illusion of safety with its reality and thus now feel their world is ending. It is the fears of that second group that are given voice in the Nostradamus prediction circulated on the Internet even before the dust had settled in New York.<P>The French physician and astrologer Nostradamus (1503-1566)penned numerous quatrains populated by obscure imagerythat the credulous have ever after attempted to fit to the events<BR>of their times. These predictions can often ring somewhat truein that the images employed are so general they can be foundin almost every event of import, but by the same token, the prophecies are never a dead-on fit because the wordings are far too general. Not that this stops anyone from believing in them; our society's need for mysticism runs far too deep to ever allow or that.<P>Those looking for the certainty of a Nostradamus prophecy come true have been known to sledge hammer the results toforce a fit by inventing fanciful translations from the original<BR>French, bend over backwards to assert one named term ireally another, and (as in this case) outright fabricate part or all of the prediction.<P>Nostradamus did not write the quatrain now being attributedto him. (One wonders how a guy who died in 1566 could have written an item identified as being penned in 1654 anyway.) It<BR>originated with a student at Brock University in Canada in the1990s, appearing on a web page essay on Nostradamus. Thatparticular quatrain was offered by the page's author, Neil Marshall, as a fabricated example to illustrate how easily an important-sounding prophecy can be crafted through the use of abstract imagery. He pointed out how the terms he used were so deliberately vague they could be interpreted to fit any number of cataclysmic events.<P>(A dissertation on a somewhat similar-sounding real prophecy of Nostradamus' which contains the line "From the sky will come a great King of Terror" can be found here. Note that even a liberal reading places the events it describes in July of 1999,not September of 2001, and the same prophecy has already long since been applied to a wide variety of different events both real and imagined.)<P>It appears someone mistook Marshall's illustrative example foran actual Nostradamus prophecy and, not content to let well enough alone, added "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning." A fabrication was thus further fabricated. But that wasn't the end of it. More fakery was piled on in later versions that now included all of the text quoted in the<BR>Example section above but now concluded with:<P><BR> "on the 11th day of the 9 month that...<BR> two metal birds would crash into two tall statues...<BR> in the new city...<BR> and the world will end soon after"<P>Similarly, another enhanced version incorporates the Example text into a more detailed prophecy:<P><BR> And Nostradamus predicted this (who knows how long ago):<P> "In the year of the new century and nine months,<BR> From the sky will come a great King of Terror...<BR> The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.<BR> Fire approaches the great new city..."<BR> "In the city of york there will be a great collapse,<BR> 2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos<BR> while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb<BR> third big war will begin when the big city is burning"<P><BR> Another version asserts:<P><BR> "The third great war will start when the two tall lances<BR> fall in the great city. The day birds offer themselves<BR> up to the heavens"<P><BR>The closest any true Nostradamus writing comes to any of these is the one often cited as Century 6, Quatrain 97:<P><BR> Cinq and quarante degrez ciel bruslera<BR> Feu approcher de la grand cité neuve<BR> Instant grand flamme esparse sautera<BR> Quand on voudra des Normans faire preuue.<P> An approximate English translation would be:<P><BR> Five and forty steps the sky will burn<BR> Fire approaching the large new city<BR> Instantly a great thin flame will leap<BR> When someone will want to test the Normans.<P>Even if this is a real prophecy of Nostradamus', it simplyprovides more evidence of how much shoehorning has to be performed to get one of these vague "predictions" to fit modern occurrences. It cites no date whatsoever. The line about a sky that "will burn at forty-five steps" is interpreted to refer to New York City, the "forty-five steps" being the Big Apple's latitude --never mind that New York City is actually below the 41°latitude mark, and that several major North American cities (e.g., Boston, Milwaukee, Chicago, Minneapolis, Toronto,<BR>Montreal) are much closer to 45° latitude than Gotham. As well, New York (one of North America's oldest cities) is only "new" in the sense that its name contains the word "new" (a<BR>criterion which describes many other of the world's large cities,such as New Delhi), the flames resulting from the terrorist attack in New York were anything but "thin" (or "scattered");<BR>and nobody has a clue what "Normans" have to do with hijacked airliners crashing into American cities.<P>All in all, the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 is a much better fit forthis one. So is the explosion resulting from the collision of the ships Mont Blanc and Imo in 1917, which killed thousands of<BR>people and destroyed much of Halifax -- a city just a fewdegrees shy of 45° latitude. To top it all off, this very same verse was widely cited five years ago as having "predicted" the mysterious crash of TWA Flight 800 in July 1996.<P> Just once, we'd like someone to tell us what one of<BR> Nostradamus' "prophecies" means in advance of the event it<BR> supposedly describes.<P> Barbara "la cosa nostradamus" Mikkelson<P> Last updated: 11 September 2001<P>

Okay, well I wasn't going to post this, but it is interesting regarding predictions before the event. I was just surfing this afternoon...not at ALL looking for stuff like this. It was on a site I searched for clairvoiants...for my OWN future predictions <P><BR>But I came up with this:<P><BR><B>EMNE 12900: AUGUST-SEPTEMBER 2001 PLANET ALERT <BR>NAVN: Mahala E-MAIL: Aug 27 2001 07:17:55 <BR>PLANET ALERT.<P> This summer has been very intense. The energy from Mars caused a very hot, humid, and fiery summer. Mars has been in a fire sign since February of 2001, and it will continue in that sign until September 9. Mars rules such things as war, violence, erupting volcanoes, fires, explosions, and accidents. It also causes people to be short tempered - especially in hot weather. This energy has already manifested as fires in various places, violence in the Middle East, and Mt. Etna erupted - as did other volcanoes. Mars moves into Capricorn in September, and will stay there until October 28. Capricorn is an Earth sign. Mars will be opposing Jupiter the end of September and the first week in October. This aspect usually causes troop movement in various parts of the world, and brings with it a war vibration. Conflicts with foreign countries are a possibility at this time. As Jupiter moves through Cancer it will activate George Bush’s Sun. He will have to deal with some challenges during September and October because Mars will be opposing his sun. This is a war-like violent aspect. This aspect will also affect the United States birth chart. Jupiter rules religion. Conflicts that arise at this time will probably be over religious beliefs, and with this energy in effect, I believe we are headed for a major confrontation in the Middle East. Mother Earth is ascending. As she ascends, she needs to transform negative thoughts that are still happening in her world. There has been fighting in the Middle East for eons of time. This has built up a lot of karma in that area which needs to be cleansed. There is, and has been, a war going on for control of the vortex over that area.</B><P>There was more, and some of it was a bit beyond belief, but this was most relevant to that day.<P>Now I don't know enough about chat sites etc to know if you can possibly post something later than a date and make it appear that it was in fact earlier???<P>If you can't, well then isn't this interesting???<BR><p>[This message has been edited by Nina too (edited September 18, 2001).]