well well cheerfullittleone,
i believe you or OW don't understand is that it wasn't only the responsibility of the WH not to have an affair but you have to take responsibility for this too. there is no reason why the OW shouldn't pay the price as well. You laid with this man knowing he was M and that didn't stop you. U are the woman and you control your body but you didn't. And you got pregnant and knowing the WH had a family of his own choose to have this baby anyway. So at some point you had to have told yourself i am probably going to raise this child on my own. And you went through with it anyway. I believe that u took your childs future in your own hands and now you'll have to deal with the fact that one day your child will ask why his/her father wants nothing to do with him or her. u have to answer that question and say he/she was conceived out of an affair. u have no one to blame but yourself

KT....WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Are saying that the ow are mad at me!!!!!!!!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Oh my god, how will I ever sleep at night? I feel so bad. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

CLO...so you, as an ow think that the oc needs should supercede those of the children at home? Sorry. Don't buy it. This is MY home too. MY children have feelings too. And guess what? THEY do NOT have to pay for the sins of their father. Had their dad wanted to see oc, he was free to go. HE chose no contact as what was best for this family.

Sad thing is that EVERYONE gets hurt when two people do this. My husband has had to soothe his childrens fears and wipe their tears as they learned to understand what an oc means. THEY were hurt by his actions. Your child gets a piece too. And guess what, if you are calling him an *** dad, then that makes you an *** mom, cause it was YOUR CHOICE to get pregnant without a commitment. It was YOUR CHOICE to keep a child KNOWING there would be no daddy tucking him in at night.

I think it is wrong to deliberatly hurt children too. However, I have a responsibility to protect MY children. So, two people created this...if he is an *** dad, then you are an *** mom cause you were there creating the oc. And you had no care or concern for what your actions were going to cause his children at home. And, before you jump on the "his wife and kids were his problem" banter, let me say that your child is YOUR problem. His wife and kids don't have to accept that child into their lives. They can show as much care and concern and you two showed them. Isn't that ow rationale? It is no responsibility of the ow for the effects of the affair on his family? Well then, how can you not grasp the fact that the responsibility of the oc is no concern for his family. This brings us back to *** dad. This *** has to jump through tons of hoops and do one hell of alot to try and make this up to his family. He may be an *** in your eyes, but you are an *** in his and his family's eyes. When he faces what he has done to his family, and he loves them, he will do anything to keep them and spend his life with them. He is holding his precious daughter in his arms at night, tears running down his cheek at the thought of losing her. He is holding his wife at night, kissing her hair as she sleeps, thanking god for her giving him a 2nd chance. Does he think of oc? I would have to say yes. But in the overall scheme of things, what you two have done to others is horrible. He is assuming that you are going to take care of the child that you had to have, no matter what it did to his wife and kids. Since you obviously loved that child so much, he will move on, knowing that you will take care of him. HE, on the otherhand is going to do everything in his power to never hurt his family again. He is never going to miss a soccer game or a school event, or an anniversary, whatever. He is thankfull that his family survived this hurricane intact. Just as you need to survive your storm. You wanted that child, despite the hurt it inflicted on others.

And before you get on the "it took two.." argument, well duh. We all know it took two. But how many men wanted abortions? The minute any ow keeps a child, knowing the man does not want to be a father to her child, then the responsibility to raise that child alone lies on your shoulders. It took two to make, but only one gets to force the child on the other.

So, I guess a new word for any ow with an oc should be *** mom. Since they didn't give a shred of care if their child had a father, and since they didn't give a shred of care what their decision to have this child did to his children at home....how much more of an ******* can one be? Or is it ALL on the man? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

<small>[ February 04, 2005, 09:58 PM: Message edited by: Justuss ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by gardenbunny:
<strong> For the umpteenth time.

If a woman wants a father for her child, she shouldn't sleep with a married man. Find one who is completely 100% available.

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">For the umpteenth time, xMM was not living at home, was in the process of D, lied to me about his vasectomy and told me he wanted to be a father to our child.

"In the process of a divorce" is not 100% available.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LynnG:
<strong>

CLO...so you, as an ow think that the oc needs should supercede those of the children at home? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Lynn,
If you REREAD my post directly above, I CLEARLY STATE and I QUOTE "I'm not saying our children are more important than your children, I'm just saying EVERY child has the right to know their parents."

I have NEVER said the BC are more important than OC.

I can't even finish reading your post if this first sentence of yours is any indicator of your comprehension of my entire post. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by gardenbunny:
<strong> "In the process of a divorce" is not 100% available.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That's not what he told me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ktbunch:
<strong> I posted on both those threads....and I'm for nc. I have my personal feelings about it, and have voiced WHY I feel that way with also adding it is my own selfish feelings.

ok mary, sure, so WHY is it OK for an OW to choose NC for her 'own selfish reasons' but a man who chooses that is an ***dad?

See the hypocrisy?

~~~~First of all KT I never said it was OK for either one. It's about what's right for the child....and there rights. And for the record, when I call a man an A**dad it is for more reasons than nc versus c.

WIll ANY OW ever admit OUT LOUD that there are VALID reasons to choose NC or as many ow call it; 'abandon your baby' whawhawahwah!

~~~~~I think the abodonment issue is old and not really apart of what I said.....I have my feelings on it, and you have yours.....let's just keep it at that. Why go over it again with the whawhawahwah!? You look out for your kids, why is it so bad for me to look out for mine?

NC, abandon baby, whatever, you can twist it however you want but it's still straight out NC.
~~~~twist?????????

WHy isn't an OW who makes C difficult to the point of NC being the ONLY viable alternative considered a HORRIBLE mother?

~~~~I think you will see that I speak volumns for myself when a bw is talking about a diffulcult ow just as I do when an ow is talking about a diffucult mm and bw.

Sure, jump all over lynn for a position her family took & stood firm on & she's considered evil. get real!

~~~~~I don't jump on Lynn for a position she took, but what and how she did it. She is out spoken on how she feels, and in my OPINION I feel she is wrong. I don't have to live with her and her family though, but if she is allowed to speak her OPINION, why am I not allowed?

Why can't a self-absorbed, selfish beyond comprehension, OW, be ok to be considered evil?

~~~~~OH Please.....they can be!!!! As I've stated more than once on this and other boards and I still stand by what I say....I really don't think the title of who we are has ANYTHING to do with our actions. It has everything to do with our personailties. Of course situations can bring out the worst in us, but 9 times out 10 our real personalities come back to light with time. I've seen some real dusies ow too. I've never said what you just said. In fact I don't recall calling anyone (almost)evil, refresh my memory please.

I mean keeping a child AWAY from it's father? Isn't that evil? Is that ANYthing but SELFISH?

~~~~~~KT , where is this coming from? I think all the adults are selfish......ow/bw/mm.

No mary, I am NOT saying that YOU kept your child away from thier dad BUT you are admitting, on some level, how it is BETTER for YOU. And Lynn stands up for how it was better for THEM & I'm saying how it is better for US.

~~~~The difference between Lynn and myself is that if I had to I'd do it. I have other kids as well and I would inforce ajustment with them in a tender way. I've never bad mouthed xmm to my older kids at all, and I never will not even to his daughter. It's not my style. You never ever know what tommorow brings, and I have to be prepared for anything for my kids sake. As I have said before.........it's better for all the adults.....at least I'm including myself in that selfishness KT. I've got the nerve to include myself and not use excuses. But again, if I had to share, then it will be and it will be healthy and good for ALL kids involved. Not just mine. Where the heck did this come from?

And gio, I'm w/ K, quit playing on the wrong side of the tracks! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> & bringing 'home' that nonsense. Haven't you learned yoru lesson yet?

xoxoxo
kt </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by CheerfulLittleOne:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by gardenbunny:
<strong> "In the process of a divorce" is not 100% available.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That's not what he told me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It's not a debatable issue. "In the process of a divorce" means not 100% available. He's not available until he is divorced.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by gardenbunny:
<strong> For the umpteenth time.

If a woman wants a father for her child, she shouldn't sleep with a married man. Find one who is completely 100% available.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

If I wanted a hamburger, and walked into a vegetarian restaurant, and then complained that I couldn't get a hamburger...well, that would make me...pretty dumb!

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

If a woman wants to be a single parent, and take on all the responsibilities, I guess that is her choice.
But if a woman requires a father but thinks so little of her future offspring that she can't find a father who is available to parent...I guess that makes her an ***mom.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Garden, did you forget that mm helped bring that child into this world? It's not like going into a vegatrain resturant looking for a burger....why different. Sorry. Require a father? Uhmmmmmmm Even the most perfect situation can turn sour....we as woman and mother's need to be prepared for that. If a mother can't find a father for her child makes her a ***mom? Okay that is taking it a bit far Garden.

<small>[ February 04, 2005, 10:48 PM: Message edited by: Justuss ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by downandout34:
<strong> well well cheerfullittleone,
i believe you or OW don't understand is that it wasn't only the responsibility of the WH not to have an affair but you have to take responsibility for this too. there is no reason why the OW shouldn't pay the price as well. You laid with this man knowing he was M and that didn't stop you. U are the woman and you control your body but you didn't. And you got pregnant and knowing the WH had a family of his own choose to have this baby anyway. So at some point you had to have told yourself i am probably going to raise this child on my own. And you went through with it anyway. I believe that u took your childs future in your own hands and now you'll have to deal with the fact that one day your child will ask why his/her father wants nothing to do with him or her. u have to answer that question and say he/she was conceived out of an affair. u have no one to blame but yourself </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">downandout..........I knew I'd be raising my child alone and so there was no question there. The fact of the matter is the mm still was involved. I will be 100% honest with my child. I pray daily that when the time comes that she will learn from my example NOW and learn from my mistakes. She maynot have her father but she has a whole bunch of people who love her with all there heart. As far as blame.........it's a 50 50 street there.......xmm does not get off that easy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> As far as ME taking responsiblity for my actions/child.......I've taken it sweetie. I've paid my dues.......And as much as I regret my actions in the affair, my child is so precious and special to me, I don't REGRET her at all. She is 10 months and my older kids nor myself can't imagine our lives without her.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> And gio, I'm w/ K, quit playing on the wrong side of the tracks! & bringing 'home' that nonsense. Haven't you learned yoru lesson yet </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes mommy dearest.. "OOPS I did it again.... " (to the tune of Brittney) "OOOPS I did it again.." I've been a bad girl! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

Love you, ya spicey mamma....LOL

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by gardenbunny:
<strong> He's not available until he is divorced.

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Maybe not by your standards, but he was available by his standards and his W's standards.

Maybe you should give his W's xOM this lecture too.

How can I emphasize- at THAT POINT in life, they were DONE with the M. It was simply a matter of time for the D to get finalized. The process took over a year.

They had both moved on. Done. Finished.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LynnG:
<strong> KT....WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Are saying that the ow are mad at me!!!!!!!!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Oh my god, how will I ever sleep at night? I feel so bad. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

CLO...so you, as an ow think that the oc needs should supercede those of the children at home? Sorry. Don't buy it. This is MY home too. MY children have feelings too. And guess what? THEY do NOT have to pay for the sins of their father. Had their dad wanted to see oc, he was free to go. HE chose no contact as what was best for this family.

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">So LynnG are you saying you would have had no problem with your husband going and having a relationship with his son? He could have gone and visited him and had a realtionship with him and still not have lost his home and family?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by needtomoveon:
<strong> Garden, did you forget that mm helped bring that child into this world? It's not like going into a vegatrain resturant looking for a burger....why different. Sorry. Require a father? Uhmmmmmmm Even the most perfect situation can turn sour....we as woman and mother's need to be prepared for that. If a mother can't find a father for her child makes her a A**mom? Okay that is taking it a bit far Garden. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It's a weird analogy, but it works. You want a burger, go to McDonald's. You want a father for your child, go to a single guy. (I know that doesn't always work, but much better chances than going after a man who is otherwise obligated!)

Yes, the married man helped create the child...but as many have said here, nobody asks him whether or not he wants it aborted, or given up for adoption. It's mama's choice.

If a woman insists on having a daddy, and then gets pregnant by a married man, yes she is an ***mom. If a woman's requirement for motherhood is to have an active father, then for God's sake find a single man! (I'm not referring to women who choose to be single parents, without making parenting demands on the father.)

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by gardenbunny:
<strong> It's mama's choice.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I brought up abortion to xMM because I knew he had a vasectomy (or at least that's what he told me) and I didn't think he wanted children. We talked about the baby for nearly a week and STILL he had not brought up abortion. I am the one who offered it as an option and I swear on my grandmothers grave that I gave xMM that option.

HE DID NOT WANT ME TO ABORT.

HIS wishes. HE HAD A CHOICE. I gave him a choice because I was undecided myself. He told me he would be a father, that he wanted this child.

WE made the decision TOGETHER to keep OC.

HE decided to change his mind later.

CLO--I stand corrected...you did not say oc supercede bc.

That said, I ask, why on earth do you not recognize that a man has responsibilities to his family? He cheated. He makes amends to them. They move on. I KNOW you love your child, but (and this is for NTMO too) HE and HIS FAMILY are not all agoo about the child. They DO NOT have those same feelings for that child. Harsh? You bet it is. But it is also reality. You look at the face of your precious child and can't understand why he wants nothing to do with him/her. But they do not see your child as you do. They see THEIR children and the harm this whole situation has caused them. It is THEIR childrens faces that they love and that they cherish. He holds his children and loves them and swears that he will never ever do anything that will harm them again. He never wanted anyone to find out about you. You were supposed to be a secret. Then the oc comes. All hell explodes in his life. Who do you think he is worried about? It is his wife and children. Their love and respect truly matter to him. He is scared to death....as well he should be for what he has done. You and your willingness to participate in the near destruction of his family are not a concern. He views you a bit differently now. As for the oc? Well sad to say, but everyone is hurt right? So while you are all worried about your childs wellbeing (as you should be) realize that they (XMM/BW) are only worried about the ramifications this is having on thier family.

Oh, and the OW and the XMM were the only ones responsible here.....they can only blame themseles for the destruction to the children. That lies equally on both shoulders. His childrens pain is your fault too. You can't blame only him for everything. You helped created all this for everyone. You can't expect the BW and her children to clean up your mess.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by gardenbunny:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by needtomoveon:
<strong> Garden, did you forget that mm helped bring that child into this world? It's not like going into a vegatrain resturant looking for a burger....why different. Sorry. Require a father? Uhmmmmmmm Even the most perfect situation can turn sour....we as woman and mother's need to be prepared for that. If a mother can't find a father for her child makes her a A**mom? Okay that is taking it a bit far Garden. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It's a weird analogy, but it works. You want a burger, go to McDonald's. You want a father for your child, go to a single guy. (I know that doesn't always work, but much better chances than going after a man who is otherwise obligated!)

Yes, the married man helped create the child...but as many have said here, nobody asks him whether or not he wants it aborted, or given up for adoption. It's mama's choice.

If a woman insists on having a daddy, and then gets pregnant by a married man, yes she is an ***mom. If a woman's requirement for motherhood is to have an active father, then for God's sake find a single man! (I'm not referring to women who choose to be single parents, without making parenting demands on the father.) </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I never insisted on having a daddy for my child. But I won't allow him or anyone else (thank God we live in the USA) tell me to abort or give up for adoption. Yes I forced Cs on xmm......he helped create the situation. He was not going to get off the hook, but I can assure you Garden..........I pay far more than he does for OUR child, and I took my responsiblity on seriously and DID not take his easy way out.

Lynn,

I do recognize that xMM has responsiblities to his family and I completely understand NC for the family's sake.

He's doing what's best for him, his W, and his chidren of the marriage, I do understand that but unfortunately it's not in the best interest of the child he created outside of the marriage.

That's my point.

I have never said "Poor me, I'm raising this fatherless child and how could he do this to me".
I feel bad for my child because he had a father who chose to be a father and then changed his mind toward the end of my pregnancy. My child would probably not be here today if he told me he didn't want the child.

I had even gone as far as to set up an appointment for RU480. I was torn, but I'll be damned if I was going to bring a child into this world without a father.


Fast forward to today, I am VERY thankful that he told me he loved this baby and wanted to be a father otherwise I would be missing out on this wonderful part of my life.

It makes me sick when I think about how close I came to abortion.

Okay, I'm getting off topic. I DO understand he's taking care of his family, and I am taking care of mine.

We are NC, everyone is happy, but that doesn't mean it's the right thing for my child.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by LynnG:
<strong> CLO--I stand corrected...you did not say oc supercede bc.

That said, I ask, why on earth do you not recognize that a man has responsibilities to his family? He cheated. He makes amends to them. They move on. I KNOW you love your child, but (and this is for NTMO too) HE and HIS FAMILY are not all agoo about the child. They DO NOT have those same feelings for that child. Harsh? You bet it is. But it is also reality. You look at the face of your precious child and can't understand why he wants nothing to do with him/her.
~~~~~Honesetly Lynn, it really is his loss, and yes I do as any mother does look in the face of my child but I'd think that of anyone who did not want to love my child or any child. You and I differ on my opinions and that is just the way it is Lynn. I feel your reaons were for the wrong reasons and that is my opinion and it's not ground in stone either. KWIM? Honestly my problem with you is not that you choose nc, but the way you boast about it and the way you boasted about what you did when this first happen and you know what I talking about without starting a whole new board war.........that is where my problem is with you....and only that.

But they do not see your child as you do. They see THEIR children and the harm this whole situation has caused them. It is THEIR childrens faces that they love and that they cherish. He holds his children and loves them and swears that he will never ever do anything that will harm them again. He never wanted anyone to find out about you. You were supposed to be a secret. Then the oc comes. All hell explodes in his life. Who do you think he is worried about?
~~~~~~~~~His own A**!!!!!
It is his wife and children. Their love and respect truly matter to him. He is scared to death....as well he should be for what he has done. You and your willingness to participate in the near destruction of his family are not a concern. He views you a bit differently now.
~~~~Yeap your right.......he lost some control over his fun and games.
As for the oc? Well sad to say, but everyone is hurt right? So while you are all worried about your childs wellbeing (as you should be) realize that they (XMM/BW) are only worried about the ramifications this is having on thier family.

~~~~~I think it goes further than that. But that is okay.
Oh, and the OW and the XMM were the only ones responsible here.....they can only blame themseles for the destruction to the children. That lies equally on both shoulders. His childrens pain is your fault too. You can't blame only him for everything. You helped created all this for everyone. You can't expect the BW and her children to clean up your mess. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Geez I can remember ever saying that xmm was the only one to blame. As far as your children, where did you see that the bc should clean up the xmm and ow's mess? That was off the wall don't you think? I'll stop there as this really is not going anywhere.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by CheerfulLittleOne:
I'm just saying EVERY child has the right to know their parents.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'd say EVERY child has the right NOT to be born of adultery .... Adultery is such an ugly behavior. And both adulterors robbed their child of the right not to be born into a very screwed up situation.

Let's point the finger where it belongs ---> AT ADULTERY.

No good comes from it. The guilty ones screwed the pooch ... and after that BIG MISTAKE ---> everyone tries to "make do" with the consequences. But the bell cannot be unrung.

You cannot plant pumpkin seeds and then complain that you did not grow watermelons.

Want a child to have 2 parents... GET married and STAY married. Not perfect, not fool-proof but ahellofa better beginning than choosing adultery to introduce a baby to the world. WHAT a cruel thing to do to a child! Don't want the mixed mutt puppies? Then don't screw the pooch!

Adultery is ugly. And there lies the problem. Can't say things "should be" be all nice and perfect for any child born from adultery ... too late ... you already screwed the pooch! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

Everyone ... enjoy SuperBowl Sunday

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