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Posted By: durham76 WH sends letter-You have to read this!! - 08/05/04 07:48 PM
I am so sick of reading this crap. He is trying to blame me. Any thoughts??

By now, I have memorized the email that you sent me. I know that I have caused you extreme pain. I have caused a lot of people the same pain. I can’t believe this has happened. I thought that I had found the woman of my dreams and that we would spend the rest of our lives together. It’s it totally out of my character to initiate the events that have transpired. I know you don’t believe it, but it hurts me something terrible to reflect on the reality that I have created. I always wanted to have a family and never wanted to raise a child in a split family. I’ve seen first hand the pain that can cause and the lack of stability. Unfortunately, I have placed us in this position. Our love faded away so fast. I was not getting the love and support that I had and needed from you during all the events that took place in the last year. You were so caught up on the possibility of losing your job, getting pregnant again, what out friends were doing, and the things that you needed in life. Somehow there just wasn’t any time for me and what I needed. Of course I didn’t communicate my needs and concerns. I have always tried to protect you and be your anchor. I never wanted to burden you with everything that was on our plate. My job was being transitioned and we lost the baby. I was trying to cope with twelve people losing their position and driving the business to Kansas. I was trying to protect you. Everyone always said that I was being so strong at work and my family, but it just seemed like you were on the sideline. The spiral just continued with JD’s deal and Mom’s surgery. I reflect back and don’t even remember you being there for me emotionally during those times. Upstairs and downstairs, all I could see was our marriage becoming was you in bed early and me sleeping on the couch. What happened to the love and embrace? Everyone says that I’m easy to read emotionally. Why couldn’t you? You knew me better than anyone. I tried to spend more time watching TV with you. I really saw you becoming your mother and growing old before my eyes. Everything was on a schedule and there was no spontaneity. Why did our love become such a science project? We were so young. We should have been going and doing things that we always did…bowling, movies, cuddling, love, etc…
The guilt of the affair has been brutal. I have lost 37 lbs. so don’t think it hasn’t impacted me. I am much more withdrawn at work. I don’t know what the future holds. I am just trying to take it one day at a time. I don’t anticipate that you will forgive me. I wouldn’t if I was in your shoes. I just want to make the best life I can for my son at this point. I know that has been your focus over the last few months. Your letter is the first time you shared any feelings with me since I left. I’ve been pretty devastated by it. I’ll never know what might have been. I know that I will never be the man that I was. I will never be whole like I was before. It’s sad. The one thing that always kept me proud and confidents was my character and doing the right thing. I do plan on going back to church and trying to get in touch with the lord again. I know he will give me strength. God will set things right and he will make me pay for my actions. That I know.
I am not writing this to feel better (I feel worse as I write it). I am just sharing my thoughts. Today is another landmark day that stings so badly. I am determined not to fall back into a state of depression. It’s tough. I have destroyed you the one I loved most in life and my family is completely torn apart as well as yours. My Dad and I don’t have the relationship we once had and JD and I hang in the balance day to day. My mother is torn because she loves you so much. You are and always will be the daughter she never had. I worry about who you will find and fall in love with. How will that person be with Peyton? The only half assed positive thing to come out of this is…I know who my true friends are. I also know that everyone has a story. It’s unbelievable to think of all the problems I have been sheltered from with friends and family. I have led a pretty naïve life up until now. I wish I could see the future and fix the past. I can’t. I can only go forward and that’s the only direction you can go. No one knows what is around the next corner. I am and always will be sorry for betraying you. I have not been lying to myself for years. I just played too tough and lied to myself for six months. I broke down and went outside our marriage to find the things that were missing.
I speculate from your email and other comments that you’ve made that you are extremely taken back by the fact that I’ve shown zero emotion around you. I have put up a wall. I felt I had too to protect Peyton during the pregnancy. I am as emotional as ever crying etc…. I just couldn’t let you see my emotions during this time. I thought it was best for you and Peyton. There is a big hole in the bottom left-hand side of my heart. What kind of man leaves his pregnant wife? Only a Pathetic [censored]! This will always be my biggest failure and disappointment. I can’t image doing anything that could be worse outside of ending a life. I could probably go on forever…still wordy, but you have probably stopped reading about two and a half paragraphs ago. Nothing I say or do will ever restore the love, trust, and friendship that we had in this life. Like you said…”You don’t even know me anymore”.
What e-mail is he referring to?

Stay dark.

Do not rescue him from his needed crash. It's coming.

WAT
wow, so many differences yet so many similarities (w/our situations and our WS). i guess i just don't know what his "true" point is by sending this to you. hard to say when he is probably still fog bound. i haven't kept up w/your story so i can't speak to everything. but how did he send the letter, was it email or regular mail? hope you are still staying dark cause it sounds like what you are doing is working, prayers to you, RR
What is your current feeling about allowing him in the delivery?
Posted By: Orchid Re: WH sends letter-You have to read this!! - 08/05/04 08:01 PM
Fog babble. There sure is a lot of this going on today.

Will post more later.
Oh My GOD...sounds so much like the emails I get from my WH. I swear it must be guilt eating them up...that and of course FOG talk.
I know exactly how you feel. I'm having a hard time coping with my own mess. I guess we just have to take it one day at a time. Does your H want to fix the marriage or is he running away like my H?
I thank my lucky stars I am not a married man cheating on my pregnant wife ..... that poor guy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Let's all chip in and send him flowers.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

"Poor me. You have no idea how lousy I feel for betraying you while you carry our unborn child in your womb. This hurts me so much to betray you."

Pathetic.

Pep
Posted By: durham76 Re: WH sends letter-You have to read this!! - 08/05/04 08:54 PM
I don't know about the delivery. Waiting to see how I feel. I want to scream when he states where was I. Uhhh here at home when you were out with the OW and still stay with her.
I can't wait to see what he feels like when our son is here. I am glad I am not him that is for sure. I will get to see my son everyday.
What was the e-mail he referred to?
durham,

I keep up with your posts but don't think I've ever replied, until now.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The guilt of the affair has been brutal. I have lost 37 lbs. so don’t think it hasn’t impacted me. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">UGH!! My WH has said similar things--about how rotten he feels and how hard this whole thing is for him to deal with.

Hello???!!?? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> Who made the decision to step out on the M?

They really, REALLY are aliens! You are doing very well for a almost-ready-to-give-birth woman. Hang tough! The baby will bring all kinds of joy to you.

LL
Posted By: kloe72 Re: WH sends letter-You have to read this!! - 08/05/04 10:55 PM
Of course this is all fog talk. He knows what he did/is doing is wrong but is not willing to take steps to make it right, at least not yet. He says "I just want to make the best life I can for my son at this point." The best life for his son would be a Mother and Father who are happily married, yet he is not willing to do this. He has accepted to seeing his son for 8 hours a week, kind of sad - for him. You are right when you say you are glad you are not him. I can't image a worse person to be, except maybe my WH!

It is nice to hear he is sorry, feeling guilty and suffering. Maybe it's a start to something, maybe not. There is nothing you can do about that so keep focusing on you and the baby.
Posted By: Drucilla Re: WH sends letter-You have to read this!! - 08/05/04 11:16 PM
Hi Durham,

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> The guilt of the affair has been brutal. I have lost 37 lbs.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">GOOD! I hope his hair falls out, too!

I agree with WAT, Pep and all... stay dark, let him sink. He feels bad but he's still humping the SOW, right? I'd be very tempted to send him the flowers 'Feel better, soon! - your pregnant abandoned wife'.

Of course he's justifying his actions by listing your faults (real or exaggerated). Otherwise he'd have to feel worse. Dont get caught up in his drama. His letter hijacked your brain, please try not to think about this all night. Please take care - Dru
D, thinking of you and hope that you and your baby are fine. When is the due day?

If you ever read one of my posts, my WH sent me a letter too. It is nonsense. Just stay in your course and take care of youself and the baby. {{{{{{{{{Duhnam}}}}}}}}
Posted By: believer Re: WH sends letter-You have to read this!! - 08/05/04 11:47 PM
Durham - Actually I think he's got it!

"What kind of man leaves his pregnant wife? Only a Pathetic [censored]!"
Oh how noble of him to protect you from it all by finding another woman to "unload" on.
Seriously, better to do that than burden you! Unbelievable.

Oh and how callous of you not to be there for him while you were grieving the loss of your child. Oh and while you were being betrayed.

Maybe if he had reached out for you instead of OW things may have been different. Did he give you a chance?

Also sounds like leaving the marriage to find happiness (as marriage was not making him happy) has really worked. Lost weight, circles under eyes, bordering on depression, poor relationships now eith friends and family, even trouble in paradise.

Sure sounds like he has found Utopia with this OW doesn't it.

Oh and I hope he has success with getting God's blessing for betraying his pregnant wife. Sounds like he is going to try.

Its all howash. Fogspeak.

At least he seems to be missing what he had there with you. He sounds very sorry, but mainly for himself and a bit about what he has done.


Keep it. He won't be able to believe he wrote it one day when you are in recovery. Seriously he will probably not believe he wrote it.
C&S
Posted By: karena Re: WH sends letter-You have to read this!! - 08/06/04 12:56 AM
Durham, I always received the very same e-mails, cards, and tug at your heartstring letters from my WH when he was low and melancholy. Those very same times, I weaked and gave in to this...making my personal recovery all the more difficult. The blame which he places on you throughout the letter is his selfish inability to accept his "wrong doing". I've been through this all, and nearly two years out from D-Day, my H is still doing the same old tug at your heartstrings act; but the only difference is I'm stronger and recognize that the person he refers to is himself and not me. It is glorious to be free of the oppression of his guilt! A few of the MB'ers such as Star, Takola, Le, Lulu can attest to the struggle I endured. I learned a great deal from their experience and wisdom and now recognize that action is the true telltale sign of a person truly wanting to change for the better. Good Luck
Posted By: Just J Re: WH sends letter-You have to read this!! - 08/06/04 01:32 AM
Hum. Hmmm. Okay.

Your WH is in a deep load of pain. He's expressing the real, heart-wrenching emotions of a man who was legitimately unhappy in his marriage and who knows he completely screwed up in how he dealt with it.

So far, so good.

Are you to blame for the state of your marriage before the affair? Ayup, you can have exactly one-half of that blame. And he can have exactly one-half of that blame too.

Now, what I would honest-to-god love is if someone (I'll volunteer) took him outside behind the wood shed with a copy of this e-mail and gave him the kind of man-to-man talk (yes, I know I'm a girl. I'm pretty sure I could do it anyway) that he needs.

It goes something like this:

Yup, ya screwed up, didn't you.

Yup, hurts like hell.

Yeah, I know. Your integrity is shot right now. That really sucks.

No, it's really not gonna get better all on its own.

Do about it? Son, if you're actually to the point of being ready to DO something about it, half our battle is won. So are you? Or are you gonna continue acting like a train-wreck in slow motion?
Posted By: cherise Re: WH sends letter-You have to read this!! - 08/06/04 06:44 AM
Durham, go back and see how many times he says,'I', and me in his message! Very telling when you think about it. He's babbling!!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
Posted By: cherise Re: WH sends letter-You have to read this!! - 08/06/04 06:46 AM
oops double post

<small>[ August 06, 2004, 11:03 AM: Message edited by: cherise ]</small>
Posted By: Drucilla Re: WH sends letter-You have to read this!! - 08/06/04 03:13 PM
Hi Durham,

This would be a good opportunity to re-send him your plan B letter, with a cover: please do not contact me until OW is out of your life and you are ready to work on the marriage.. (or whatever appropriate.

Cant these letters go through your intemediatary? I cant remember, it's him mom? That letter did nothing but let him dump on you. I'd bet it didnt alleviate any of his guilt (again: GOOD!), but it got you all distressed and worked up. You've had so much pain, I hate to see him to continue to inflict more. Please take care - Dru
Posted By: durham76 Re: WH sends letter-You have to read this!! - 08/06/04 09:54 PM
I have shared this letter with a few of my closest friends and they have given me their opinion. They believe that he thinks that he has done so much damage their is no fixing it or going back. That I would never take him back. I did tell him in my email that I could never forgive him and that he has caused me a great deal of pain.
A part of me wants to still have that little hope that we could try and work things out and I want him to know I would be willing. Another part of me thinks he doesn't deserve me and why would I want him to think I am still waiting for him after what he has done.
What should I do???
I love pregnancy emotions! Two weeks and I will be a mom for sure!
Posted By: Orchid Re: WH sends letter-You have to read this!! - 08/06/04 10:04 PM
Dear Durham,

He is babbling because he knows no other way to talk. Right now your best bet w/b to take care of you and the baby. Keep him as far away as possible.

Why? Because you and the baby are very delicate right now. His babbling may trigger bad conditions in both you and the baby. Don't give him that opportunity.

As for his working it out, right now he can't so don't force him to. If the baby comes and he doesn't get to participate, that w/b on his conscience.

If he really wants to reconcile, nothing will stop him from being with his family. Nothing. So don't fret.

As for his incessant babbling about your guilt or apology, whatever other nonsense, just...... arrrgh.... look past those words. Give him the stupid look he deserves.

Otherwise, surround yourself by friends and family who want to share your precious day.

take care,
L.
Posted By: Drucilla Re: WH sends letter-You have to read this!! - 08/06/04 10:08 PM
Hi Durham,

I dont know... I'd have a hard time signing up for that ride, again. To voluntarily go back into a relationship with someone THAT messed up... I just dont think so. But, that's me with no children. I'm sure you've given this lots of thought.

Maybe after he's been through a couple of years of therapy... maybe not.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> What should I do??? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">But there's no need to worry about this now. He's not asking to come back and you've got other things to deal with. There is nothing for you to do. That's why I asked if these letters can go through someone else. He's got you all worked up for no good reason. Dragged you back into the drama because he was feeling bad. That's a shame. Please protect yourself from this drama. Please take care - Dru
Posted By: Just J Re: WH sends letter-You have to read this!! - 08/06/04 10:24 PM
The fact that he says "I" so much is, in my view, encouraging. He is speaking about himself, his feelings, his situation. That's transparent honesty at its best.

Here's how I would respond to this note, through your intermediary.

H,

I'm ... surprised. I didn't realize the depths of your pain in our marriage, nor did I know that you understand how much I've been hurt. Thank you for telling me these things.

You said at the end -- yes, I read the whole thing -- "Nothing I say or do will ever restore the love, trust, and friendship that we had in this life."

I say -- I still love you. And trust and friendship ... well, I think they can be rebuilt. And I want to comfort someone I love -- you.

So... what do we do about it?

[Wife]

Very short, very loving -- and the ball is totally in his court. Let him figure out what he's going to do. Don't do the work for him. You get to lounge around and feel fat and entirely TOO pregnant. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Have some chocolate for me, eh? Stuff goes right to my thighs.
Posted By: weaver Re: WH sends letter-You have to read this!! - 08/06/04 10:54 PM
Durham -

You already know my stand as far as being friends and loving co-parents to your son so I won't go into that but -

What you need to do is decide if this is the man you want to spend your life with, or if your anger is too great to let him back in.

If you decide that you want him for life, then you already know what to do - follow your heart and the MB principles. You will have the power in your hands once this baby is born, and I think you know this, but you can't figure out if you want him back because of what he has done.

Do you think that his affair was a one time thing caused by problems in your marriage? Or do you think he is seriously flawed, and is just not trustworthy.

And if he is flawed but only slightly and temporarily can you forgive, accept and love him?

Right now you can't decide and that is understandable, given your pregnancy and his betrayal at this time. So why don't you try to become friends with him after the baby comes. Don't punish him, just let him be a dad and a friend. If you can do that, than after a short while you will have your answer...you will know what kind of a man he really is, and if you can love him again. Just give it a try for awhile and see where it leads you both.

Weaver

<small>[ August 06, 2004, 05:56 PM: Message edited by: weaver ]</small>
I'd like to kick this guys #$@#@ for you, but I'm sure in time he will hurt himself far more emotionally than I ever could physically. Hold on, let me think...If I punched him in the solar plexus that would hurt like heck!..Hmmm it's a close call. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" />

He's an embarrassment to all the loving, caring and responsible H's out here! The thing that kills me, he doesn't even see what he's really doing to you. 95% of that letter had to do with how bad he feels. He's not even really apologizing just shifting blame and given you lame excuses for the damage HE'S CAUSED!

His life is turning into a "Cautionary Tale". Look up your H's picture in the dictionary and there would be a caption; "Don't Do This" above it.

I apologize for being so critical, but this guy really has me steamed! Does he have any true friends that could knock some sense into him? If I was his friend I'd bug him everyday until he did the right thing. Sometimes parents don't have the same effect as your peers.

Sorry you're going thru this. Please save this email and print it out. When you and your H recover you can show him a copy and watch him try to make it up to you. I hope you like jewelry cuz his foul up is a football field away from flowers and candy. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Stay Strong, Let em squirm!
Posted By: weaver Re: WH sends letter-You have to read this!! - 08/06/04 11:10 PM
It doesn't really matter what all of our opinions of Durham's husband are, it only matters what Durham believes about him.

She has all the answers right there in her heart but she doesn't know it because she can't trust her own perception is anymore. She doesn't trust herself to be able to tell if someone is sincere, or lying, or selfish or addicted. Herein lies the real destruction done by an affair...not the fear of being alone, not the overwhelming ache for them and the hate for them at the same time, but in the destruction of knowing what the truth is. This is what makes me the most furious about affairs... and Durham, I think I know exactly what you are feeling. I felt the same about my daughters dad, it was a horribly confusing and lonely time. I'm so sorry for you. But you are going to be so unbelievably happy in two weeks!

Weaver
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