Astronaut, Wife, Mother of 3 - Char... complicated to explain - click to read.

Geez... think every BS has been there when you think of the worst things to do to the OP. But thank God most of us only think and don't do it

Wow . . . so a MOW tried to kidnap/kill her OM's girlfriend. Who would have guessed that this description would fit a *space shuttle astronaut* and not some trailer trash on the Jerry Springer show?

This certainly shows that intelligence, education and accomplishment are *no* protection against the insanity that cheating brings about.

Clara Harris, the successful Houston dentist who ran over and killed her WH with her car, is another example of this.

Wonder if this MOW astronaut just got a little too close to the mother ship on her last trip into space?
Mulan

I feel sorry for her.

6 months in orbit on the International Space Station can get to a girl sometimes, I guess.

-AD

But this woman was cheating on her husband - she was a WW off the deep end of the scale. Shipman was the only legit female in this triangle as far as being eligible to date a single man.

I didn't say she wasn't wrong.
I still feel sorry for her.
She threw away so much for nothing.

-AD

Try this for a change of looks.

View the NASA Publicity picture: Wikipedia on Astronaunt

And scroll down to see the Booking Picture:

Hm...

What I think she needs, rather than imprisonment, is space...


...without the helmet! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

-ol' 2long

Ah, yes...

Space...

The FINAL frontier...

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Mark

I feel bad for her H and kids. Here they thought she was a HERO! Now they'll have to go through all that cr*p.

For anyone interested, this is now a BIG story on all the cable networks. CNN carried her initial court appearance live this morning. Look for more to unfold.

I'd just like to know what this astronaut's husband and three kids think about all this.
Mulan

[color:"red"] Nowak raced from Houston to Orlando wearing diapers in the car so she wouldn't have to stop to go to the bathroom [/color]

I'm hoping Star*fish posts about how this particular aspect ties in with the neurochemistry of adultery

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heII hath no fury like a WW scorned

Apparently the shuttle astronauts wear diapers during liftoff and re-entry, so I guess she was accustomed to this. Using her experience and education to her advantage, obviously. Can't wait to see how this one turns out. Talk about workplace affairs!
Mulan

The Mothership indeed!!

Can you imagine what SNL and the late night shows are going to do w/ this story???

~ Marsh

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Marsh send me an email please at justkeepgoin47@aol.com

thanks

Less than a romantic relationship.... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

~ Marsh

Her foolish actions and desperation have consequences, unfortunately for her H and kids. I wonder if they had no clue and this caught them completely by surprise? I did notice it was her NASA boss who made the trip to FL, not her H. Don't blame him, don't think I'd go get her either.

V/r,
No way

And guess what? She will never fly again!

I guess she was pretty much "spaced out" to do something like this. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

WOW! Talk about exposure! Man Oh Man this is the type of exposure that should be available to every BS.

A Navy O-6 (Captain) and pilot and astronaut, her career is over in a very large and exposed way. WOW! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I feel sad for her children. As parents, we did our best to protect our children from the A. Unfortunately for these children their mother is plastered all over the news.

It shows no one is immune to snapping and falling head first over the deep end.

How much you want to bet that this story WON'T get the romanticized "she did it for love" that the media ALWAYS portrays the A partners in.

PS

I would hate to be the psychiatrist/psychologist that passed her for flight duty. Someone will be looking for a new job.

MSNBC is now reporting that she is being charged with attempted murder.

Stay tuned.
Mulan

I was just scanning the headlines....and the thought that came to my head was "Wow...talk about exposing the affair!" <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Of course, in MB-parlance it's usually the BS who does the exposing...but exposure is exposure.

And spending several years in jail might serve to cool off the A...

What a mess. Especially, as someone else pointed out, for the BS and 3 kids....to have their personal tragedy become front page news <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Update: Nowak has now been charged with attempted murder, but is out on bail. She's been fitted with a GPS tracking device and is apparently going back to Houston.

She has been placed on leave from NASA for the next 30 days.

Word is that she was separted from her husband "several weeks ago". He also works for NASA in Mission Control.

And that Shipman filed a restraining order against Nowak "a couple of months ago".

No word on where Nowak is staying or where her husband and three children are.

It's sad to see the so-called experts trying to make sense of her actions. They are looking at it backwards; they're trying to make it sound like her marriage broke up, so that's why she got involved with the OM and suddenly start stalking his girlfriend. Anyone here could see in a minute that it was the affair with the OM that ruined her marriage and took her off the deep end, but the "experts" would have you think the affair was the *result* of her marriage bustup and personal breakdown and not the *cause*.

No wonder marriages are so utterly screwed up everywhere you look.
Mulan

[color:"purple"] ASTRONAUGHTY [/color]

She sounds like a bunny boiler to me

How exactly do you "protect" your children from an affair?

OH by NOT having one - that would do it!!

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[/quote]How exactly do you "protect" your children from an affair?

OH by NOT having one - that would do it!! [/quote]

Ideally not having an A would have been the best choice, unfortunately not the one I used. I guess I should have phrased it as protecting our children from finding out about the A after d-day. They did not have knowledge of it while it was going on. My H and I did not have any discussions whatsoever about the A if our children were home. We often left and sat in parking lots to discuss things. Our children were old enough to be left home while we left to talk. We made it a point to go for a walk every night so we could talk. The children knew our walk time was our time, they just didn't know what we were discussing.

This morning I saw some morning show anchor do the story, ending with the mandatory head-shake and empty comment about how peculiar it was to hear that an apparently normal woman had "just snapped".

It's not a mystery.

She's in love.

Her mugshot looks just like my former wife looked about 2.5 years ago.

GC

"Bunny boiler" - that was good.

You're right about the media question whether she got separated then formed a relationship w/ an OM, when we know here, from experience, that her already existing EA (probably more) w/ the OM was the reason for her to become a wack job.

She was actually pretty in her bio photo but butt ugly in that mug shot; the burden of an A takes its toll mentally, spiritually and physically. "The truth shall set you free." - MLK Jr. I believe.

V/r,
No way

It sure makes me wonder if the OM was playing mind games with her. Was he getting a big old ego boost, loving it, stringing her along and so forth? We will never know but I would bet things like that certainly played into this. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it was his fault, just that it certainly could have contributed to her downward spiral.

Read on - this did not happen overnight. The OM and his wife divorced in 2005 and the wife blamed Nowak. It sounds like any other situation that could have been posted here.

Excerpt from an article written and reported by Times staff writers Lianne Hart, John Johnson Jr., Karen Kaplan and Alan Zarembo.
February 7, 2007

. . . (Nowak) prided herself on not having to choose between being a mother and an astronaut, and saw herself as an example for young women.

In 2003, in an interview with the website Parenthood.com, she
described how she and her husband, who worked in mission control for
the International Space Station, managed to raise their son, then 11,
and twin daughters, who were 2.

"We both had to work three- to seven-day shifts with unusual hours -
evenings and overnight - and had to make sure we never got assigned at
the same time so that someone was home with the kids," she said. She
also thanked her "wonderful" nanny.

The high point of her career was her 12-day mission to the
International Space Station. She worked as a mission specialist,
operating the shuttle's robotic arm.

The family lived in a Houston suburb in a two-story house on a
cul-de-sac. A grand piano sat in the living room.

But all was not well in the Nowak household.

She had begun to form a relationship with Oefelein, who was married
and had two children. He was the pilot of the December shuttle
mission.

Nowak told police Monday that the relationship was "more than a
working relationship but less than a romantic relationship."

In 2005, Oefelein and his wife of 17 years, Michealla, divorced.
Charlene Davis, Michealla's mother, said she blamed Nowak, in part,
for the breakup.

"I have not met Lisa," Davis said. "I only know that she broke my
daughter's heart." Oefelein could not be reached for comment.

Nowak separated from her husband in mid-January. Shipman said Monday
in a court filing seeking a restraining order that Nowak had been
stalking her for two months. Shipman described Nowak as "an
acquaintance of my boyfriend."

Nowak was just about to take on a new assignment at Johnson Space
Center, perhaps as a communications specialist in mission control who
becomes the primary contact with astronauts in orbit.

More like....

MM -

It's been a while since I had reason to look at the UCMJ, but isn't there an article in the UCMJ that specifically addresses adultery? If not, the Navy should be able to use Article 134 (or was it 135) - the "catch-all" article, should they (and hopefully they will) pursue disciplinary action against her.

In a perfect world, she'd be court-martialed, stripped of her rank, and lose her retirement and benefits. IMO.

Then again, as a BS, maybe I'm just a tad biased <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Adultery is a violation of the UCMJ. The guy she was seeing (the shuttle pilot) is also military...so both should be prosecuted (which means two astronuats' careers will go down the drain).

Will they be prosecuted? Dunno. The political backdrop on this may make some decide to just make this go away.

But, if they follow the UCMJ and the letter of the law...both of these two are done.

At least I hope so!

Too funny mortarman!

I saw that in the news. An O-5 and an O-6 (hmm...makes me wonder...if the O-5 [Commander] was actually an O-4 [Lieutenant Commander] they could be facing fraternization charges too?).

What is it with the Navy and sex scandals (Ok...I know the other services have had their fair share). As a former Navy officer, I'm very dissappointed when people such as these show a complete lack of personal morality, integrity and honor. What happened to "lead by example"?

I expect better from those who wear our nation's uniform and lead our nation's men and women. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I agree and expect a higher sense of honor from mil members. My FWW's OM was an O-5 but he was retired by the time D-day came, so I couldn't pursue UCMJ charges against the scumbag.

Unfortunately, mil mbrs and families can endure alot of stresses (i.e. deployments & long hours) that cause some to crack or open seams in relationships that can be exploited.


Don't know if anyone recalls the case approx 10 years ago of a USAF 0-3 (Kelly Flynn I believe) who received alot of press for an A. The USAF and some of the other Services basically said "it happens" and looked the other way - EXCEPT the USMC. This was right around Clinton's Lewinsky scandal and I remember reading an editorial, at the time, from the USMC's COMDT (Gen Zinni?) who said not in the Marines b/c Semper Fidelis is their code and applies to every aspect of a Marine's life. Now, I'm sure there are some on this forum who have individual stories of failure but I always respected the Marines for standing up and it's indicative of how they own their core (Corps) beliefs.


V/r,
No way
P.S. I'm not in the USMC but God Bless them!

Some of you may remember the famous Lt. Kelly Flynn case of a few years back. Lt. Kelly Flynn was the Air Force's first female B-52 pilot. Unfortunately, Lt Flynn was an unmarried officer who was having an affair with a married civilian. Lt Flynn was advised by a First Sergeant, and later ordered by her Commander, to terminate the affair. She broke up with her "boyfriend," but later they got back together, and -- when asked about it -- Lt Flynn lied. Lt. Flynn was then charged with the offenses of adultery, giving a false official statement, conduct unbecoming an officer, and disobeying an order of a superior commissioned officer.

I stand corrected then on the other Services looking the other way. I still like the USMC's statement that Semper Fi is their code, in and out of uniform.

V/r,
No way

No problem!! The Army's motto is "Duty, Honor, Country." I spent 4 years as an inspector general (IG) and we had to deal with numerous cases of adultery, homosexuality, etc. The sex issues are HUGE in the military!! None of the services take them lightly. Some deal with them in different ways. But rarely will you find them just looking the other way.

Sometimes, like in Flynns case, they tried to give the service member another chance by ordering them to cease contact with the OP. Of course, disobeying a direct order will ALWAYS put you in the bad seat!!! This is usually how they end up being destroyed.

Well, if I were going to write a "storybook ending" for this...

First, this lady has to recover her perspective - see where she is - and understand where she starting piloting her life into the ground.

Second, she would immediately resign from NASA and the Navy - and publicly appologize for bringing dishonor on both of them.

Third, she would write a detailed appology to Shipman - and transmit it through the judge - since she has been ordered to stay away from Shipman.

Fourth, she would offer to plea guilty to simple assault - and take whatever sentence they will offer for that.

Fifth, she would beg her H for forgiveness - and for a chance to just be a Mom again to her children.

Sixth, after she gets out of jail (probably serve 9 months of a 2-year sentence), she would greet every new morning with gratitude to just have a chance to live.

... and someday, maybe 10 years down the road, be able to tell the story of how grateful she is that her H forgave her and allowed her to have a life.


That first step is the big one.

-AD

as for "Billy-O" and Shipman...

Shipman should realize that she is involved with a plain old fashioned womanizer - and should run away as quickly as she can.

Billy-O should resign and disappear. Maybe he could remember that he's a Dad and try to put a little energy into that instead of chasing skirts.

-AD

As I said before...neither of them deserve to wear the uniform!

Actually I think it was Jesus Christ.

When the former Commander in Chief (Clinton) is an adulteror why does this surprise you?

The first thing I thought of when hearing Nowak's story was, "Entitlement. Entitlement. Entitlement." Here's an excerpt from a news story that seems to bear that out:



From Orlando Sentinel
Psychologists: Nowak possibly driven to extremes by love, jealousy
Robyn Shelton
Sentinel Medical Writer

To be an astronaut, you have to be the best of the best.

In NASA's own words - failure is not an option. That's why
psychologists say Lisa Marie Nowak may have taken rejection harder
than most.

Anthony Selvaggio, a professor at the Reformed Presbyterian
Theological Seminary in Pittsburgh, has counseled many members of his
church on the destructive side of love. ***He warns that unhealthy
relationships can develop in any work setting.***

Once a person starts down that path, no amount of education and
professional accomplishments can keep them from spiraling out of
control. In fact, because of their lifetime of successes, astronauts
might feel as if they can get away with anything, said Mimi Hull, a
Maitland psychologist.

***"People in high-profile positions think that they are above getting
caught, that they are above the law," said Hull, who specializes in
workplace relationships. "They have already climbed all these
mountains to get where they are. They figure, 'I can overcome any
obstacle, I can do this.' "***

She said it's not unusual for people in demanding professions to
become entangled in close-knit relationships. Astronauts, given
the unique nature of their work and the time spent training together, are no different.

***"There really is a sense that this is a group that is bonded and
separate from the rest of the world," she said.***

Copyright © 2007, Orlando Sentinel

I heard a NASA spokesperson say, "We don't meddle in the personal lives of our astronauts". That pretty much says they don't have the same stricter rules regarding adultery or behavior unbecoming an officer...I think she did say they expect that they behave with honor....

I heard that too Trix. The issue is...at the end of the day...these are two commissioned officers in the United States Armed Forces. Which means they are subject to the UCMJ...no matter where they are assigned!

Yep. And I believe the "man of interest" in the triangle is also in the military.

"Tangled webs we weave?"

"Does This Flight Suit Make Me Look Insane?"

"Loonstruck"

"One Small Step for My Man . . . "

"No Rest Stop for the Wicked: The Lisa Nowak Story"

"Houston, We Have a Problem Child"

"Orlando on $99 a Day, Including Wig, Tubing and Mallet"

"NASAty Girl"

"Dr. Strangelove: Or, How I Learned to Stop Being Normal and Start
Driving With Diapers"

"If I Did It"

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Pep, you have one strange and warped sense of humor!! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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WAT sent me these

I am merely the messenger

I did read in the paper this morning that she was instrumental in breaking up the guy's 17 yr marriage in 2005. I'd love to hear his side of it and his ex-wife's.