I saw that in the news. An O-5 and an O-6 (hmm...makes me wonder...if the O-5 [Commander] was actually an O-4 [Lieutenant Commander] they could be facing fraternization charges too?).

What is it with the Navy and sex scandals (Ok...I know the other services have had their fair share). As a former Navy officer, I'm very dissappointed when people such as these show a complete lack of personal morality, integrity and honor. What happened to "lead by example"?

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I agree and expect a higher sense of honor from mil members. My FWW's OM was an O-5 but he was retired by the time D-day came, so I couldn't pursue UCMJ charges against the scumbag.

Unfortunately, mil mbrs and families can endure alot of stresses (i.e. deployments & long hours) that cause some to crack or open seams in relationships that can be exploited.


Don't know if anyone recalls the case approx 10 years ago of a USAF 0-3 (Kelly Flynn I believe) who received alot of press for an A. The USAF and some of the other Services basically said "it happens" and looked the other way - EXCEPT the USMC. This was right around Clinton's Lewinsky scandal and I remember reading an editorial, at the time, from the USMC's COMDT (Gen Zinni?) who said not in the Marines b/c Semper Fidelis is their code and applies to every aspect of a Marine's life. Now, I'm sure there are some on this forum who have individual stories of failure but I always respected the Marines for standing up and it's indicative of how they own their core (Corps) beliefs.


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No way
P.S. I'm not in the USMC but God Bless them!

Some of you may remember the famous Lt. Kelly Flynn case of a few years back. Lt. Kelly Flynn was the Air Force's first female B-52 pilot. Unfortunately, Lt Flynn was an unmarried officer who was having an affair with a married civilian. Lt Flynn was advised by a First Sergeant, and later ordered by her Commander, to terminate the affair. She broke up with her "boyfriend," but later they got back together, and -- when asked about it -- Lt Flynn lied. Lt. Flynn was then charged with the offenses of adultery, giving a false official statement, conduct unbecoming an officer, and disobeying an order of a superior commissioned officer.

I stand corrected then on the other Services looking the other way. I still like the USMC's statement that Semper Fi is their code, in and out of uniform.

V/r,
No way

No problem!! The Army's motto is "Duty, Honor, Country." I spent 4 years as an inspector general (IG) and we had to deal with numerous cases of adultery, homosexuality, etc. The sex issues are HUGE in the military!! None of the services take them lightly. Some deal with them in different ways. But rarely will you find them just looking the other way.

Sometimes, like in Flynns case, they tried to give the service member another chance by ordering them to cease contact with the OP. Of course, disobeying a direct order will ALWAYS put you in the bad seat!!! This is usually how they end up being destroyed.

Well, if I were going to write a "storybook ending" for this...

First, this lady has to recover her perspective - see where she is - and understand where she starting piloting her life into the ground.

Second, she would immediately resign from NASA and the Navy - and publicly appologize for bringing dishonor on both of them.

Third, she would write a detailed appology to Shipman - and transmit it through the judge - since she has been ordered to stay away from Shipman.

Fourth, she would offer to plea guilty to simple assault - and take whatever sentence they will offer for that.

Fifth, she would beg her H for forgiveness - and for a chance to just be a Mom again to her children.

Sixth, after she gets out of jail (probably serve 9 months of a 2-year sentence), she would greet every new morning with gratitude to just have a chance to live.

... and someday, maybe 10 years down the road, be able to tell the story of how grateful she is that her H forgave her and allowed her to have a life.


That first step is the big one.

-AD

as for "Billy-O" and Shipman...

Shipman should realize that she is involved with a plain old fashioned womanizer - and should run away as quickly as she can.

Billy-O should resign and disappear. Maybe he could remember that he's a Dad and try to put a little energy into that instead of chasing skirts.

-AD

As I said before...neither of them deserve to wear the uniform!

Actually I think it was Jesus Christ.

When the former Commander in Chief (Clinton) is an adulteror why does this surprise you?

The first thing I thought of when hearing Nowak's story was, "Entitlement. Entitlement. Entitlement." Here's an excerpt from a news story that seems to bear that out:



From Orlando Sentinel
Psychologists: Nowak possibly driven to extremes by love, jealousy
Robyn Shelton
Sentinel Medical Writer

To be an astronaut, you have to be the best of the best.

In NASA's own words - failure is not an option. That's why
psychologists say Lisa Marie Nowak may have taken rejection harder
than most.

Anthony Selvaggio, a professor at the Reformed Presbyterian
Theological Seminary in Pittsburgh, has counseled many members of his
church on the destructive side of love. ***He warns that unhealthy
relationships can develop in any work setting.***

Once a person starts down that path, no amount of education and
professional accomplishments can keep them from spiraling out of
control. In fact, because of their lifetime of successes, astronauts
might feel as if they can get away with anything, said Mimi Hull, a
Maitland psychologist.

***"People in high-profile positions think that they are above getting
caught, that they are above the law," said Hull, who specializes in
workplace relationships. "They have already climbed all these
mountains to get where they are. They figure, 'I can overcome any
obstacle, I can do this.' "***

She said it's not unusual for people in demanding professions to
become entangled in close-knit relationships. Astronauts, given
the unique nature of their work and the time spent training together, are no different.

***"There really is a sense that this is a group that is bonded and
separate from the rest of the world," she said.***

Copyright © 2007, Orlando Sentinel

I heard a NASA spokesperson say, "We don't meddle in the personal lives of our astronauts". That pretty much says they don't have the same stricter rules regarding adultery or behavior unbecoming an officer...I think she did say they expect that they behave with honor....

I heard that too Trix. The issue is...at the end of the day...these are two commissioned officers in the United States Armed Forces. Which means they are subject to the UCMJ...no matter where they are assigned!

Yep. And I believe the "man of interest" in the triangle is also in the military.

"Tangled webs we weave?"

"Does This Flight Suit Make Me Look Insane?"

"Loonstruck"

"One Small Step for My Man . . . "

"No Rest Stop for the Wicked: The Lisa Nowak Story"

"Houston, We Have a Problem Child"

"Orlando on $99 a Day, Including Wig, Tubing and Mallet"

"NASAty Girl"

"Dr. Strangelove: Or, How I Learned to Stop Being Normal and Start
Driving With Diapers"

"If I Did It"

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I did read in the paper this morning that she was instrumental in breaking up the guy's 17 yr marriage in 2005. I'd love to hear his side of it and his ex-wife's.