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u233,
The next step??? Time and patience. Repeat after me: "T&P, T&P, T&P.
Give your H a chance and keep learning. YOu will learn a lot from reading the other posts. You will begin to see things in a whole new perspective.
U233, act and think with GRACE. It is all you can do. Your H has to sort things out himself. When you see him or the kids see him, make sure he knows you that you miss him and love him.
T&P,
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am still at my job and working on getting out. It may take several weeks for me to get a new job. In the meantime, I am taking EP's to preclude contact with OM. Have you thought about taking time off from work using the Family and Medical Leave Act? I do believe your employer would have no way to deny you this if you tell them there is a crisis at home that must be taken care of. I don't necessarily advocate lying, but you could tell them your mother is quite ill and you need to take care of her for a while. I don't think they can deny you by law. It would also help you show your BH that you are dead serious about NC ever again with OM. Just a thought. All Blessings, Jerry
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T&P T&P T&P. T&P T&P
That is a really good idea about the FMLA. I never thought about it. I wouldn't have to say that my mom is sick but that I am (and obviously have been mentally ill seeing as how I had an A).
Thanks for the idea!
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If you will allow me, I like to paste a post that I have saved to my computer some time ago that I consider one of the most inciteful comments I have ever read. It is all so true and should have IMHO, been bookmarked to "notable posts." It's rather long but if you read it several times, perhaps you could print it out and ask your BH to read it. It sure kicked me off the spot. So if you are reading this and you are wondering or hoping to get to a place where you can breathe again I have a few tips that I learned that made a difference in how I viewed myself, my life, my marriage and my wife. It is a hodge-podge of information all gathered from the best minds in �recovery land� and of course my own painful and rewarding journey. Let�s call these items the �Recovery Keys�.
RECOVERY KEY No. 1 (TIME) First, there is NO magic recipe to get to the other side. It takes TIME and a lot of it. Know it for a fact, right now. You are here for the long haul. That is just the way it is. Throw the calendar in the trash can, time is unimportant in this world. As the calendar pages flip life will begin to make sense once more. Unfortunately it takes time and patience. No matter what else you do it or how well you do it, time and patience will always be the order of the day.
RECOVERY KEY No. 2 (MUTUAL DESIRE) Second, recovery will not start until both husband and wife want it to. It takes two to Tango. So if you have a spouse who is still lost in the �beauty� of the other person you will not begin to enjoy the benefits of recovery until your spouse stops ALL contact with the OP and their feelings of withdraw have subsided. If you are the wayward spouse reading this and you commit to �no contact� it will be very soon that you discover that the OP was not so great but that those �lovey-dovey� feelings were the real hook. Perhaps you could have those same feeling with your spouse? Now we�re talking!
You know, it is important to understand that the whole idea of �recovery� is misnomer. I don�t think anyone here wants to �recover� what they had pre-affair which is almost always a flawed marriage where one spouse, the other or both are not communicating in an honest fashion, have no boundaries with the opposite sex, living in a make-believe world and have little true understanding what this whole idea of marriage really means. Nope, don�t need to �recover� that. Instead the object of the game is to build something brand spanking new, a marriage or relationship where both husband and wife become important to each other. The object is to build something where the welfare of each is precious, valuable and long lasting. Doesn�t that sound great? Who in their right mind would argue with that? Here is the best part, it is readily available to both husband and wife and all they need to do is to desire it. Yep, that�s it; if you want it it�s YOURS for the picking. I have yet to se! e an instance where both husband and wife wanted to recover and failed. Recovery is assured, 100 percent guaranteed if both spouses really want it. But before that happens it helps a great deal to understand a few things. After all, you are not really recovering anything but instead you and your spouse are constructing something new and better and there is the �right way� and �wrong way� to do this.
RECOVERY KEY No. 3 (FORGIVENESS) A note about forgiveness and infidelity, not very many people really understand it. I am amazed that there are books written about only this subject. So, if you are a spouse who thinks you need to forgive your husband or wife you are likely wrestling with this concept on a daily basis. It�s a real hand wringer. I�ve been there. I discovered to my dismay that I felt virtually powerless to make forgiveness happen. Oh sure, I said the words; I even posted my sincere forgiveness in these pages, but somehow those words lacked the commitment and feeling of forgiveness. After all, I despised everything that my wife had done, all those terrible selfish acts of cruelty. How could I ever forgive her and really mean it?
As I was dying a million deaths over this, she was doing everything she could to show that she wanted to be part of the marriage again, that she both wanted and needed me, her long lost husband. Then I noticed something happening. As each day passed I began to see my wife in a slightly different light. What started as an insurmountable mountain of betrayal changed as she became relentless in showing her commitment to our marriage and her remorse for her past behavior. That caused me to raise my eyebrow and wonder just how long she could keep it up. Was this real or just an act? And you know what? I started to believe! Bit by bit her determination is winning me over. Inch by inch I am feeling that she really deserves a second chance. Drop by drop my self-esteem and confidence is returning. But did I forgive her? Darn it, I still harbored some significant pain and while the baggage was certainly lighter I still felt a load on my shoulders. And then it hit me!
Forgiveness is the final evolution of recovery.
Some folks might think that they need to forgive their spouse before they can recover, but I suggest that it doesn�t happen that way at all. Nope, forgiveness is a result of recovery and not the other way around. Forgiveness is a consequence of all the other recovery tasks that husband and wife do. I might even suggest that once you have forgiven your spouse you have recovered. Forgiveness is the pinnacle of recovery, the Holy Grail that signifies that that you may have arrived at the finish line.
Not every marriage can be recovered, but there are bunches of betrayed spouses out there that have closed the door on forgiveness altogether and post with questions why their recoveries are not proceeding and what can they do get unstuck. They are the group that will not even entertain the possibility of forgiveness. There is NO Mountain that their spouse can climb to show that they deserve the opportunity to be forgiven. There are others who will not allow forgiveness to be an option because it means that they will be giving themselves up to the possibility of further betrayal.
They are the ones who will be forever stuck. They will agonize over the past events and those events will forever occupy the forefront of all their thoughts. They may be holding on to the betrayal as an avenue to punish their wayward spouse or to protect themselves while becoming self absorbed in their own self-pity and most do not even realize they are doing this. They come up with a million reasons why what happened to them has some special significance that makes their recovery outside of their control. But in the end, they are the ones who are selfish. They are the ones who have elevated their own needs so high that no one can satisfy them. If their spouse becomes a casualty, well �they brought it upon themselves�, or �they just have to put up with me�, is their attitude. That sure doesn�t sound like a very appealing road to me but still, I understand the allure.
When my wife asks me if I have forgiven her my typical response is, �I don�t know, do you feel like I have forgiven you? Am I acting like I have forgiven you?� I know that answers a question with a question but her response always seems to lead to some great and healing conversation. The real truth is that she doesn�t need that questioned answered as the best answer comes solely from our actions and quite frankly we have stopped asking it altogether.
RECOVERY KEY No. 4 (THE PAST) The inability to separate past from the present always seems to be a huge issue and impediment to moving forward. Many betrayed spouses live their daily lives in the past while just as many wayward spouses cannot bear to acknowledge that past has any relevance at all. �How can I ever forget what you did to me� verses �Can�t we just move forward and forget what happened?� The one thing that both typically agree on is that they both regret those terrible deeds of the past and wished they never happened.
But I would say to both the betrayed and wayward alike, the past is a chapter of our life�s history and history is our GREATEST teacher. As you allow the past to become your teacher you will notice that as each day passes you and your spouse are building a new history of positive and loving experiences. That means that the betrayal loses its relevance as it slips further and further behind the pages of a new and better history. If you struggle with holding on to the past always ask yourself this question, �Who am I married to right now, right this instant?� To answer that question you will begin to look at your spouse�s performance record or their history. You start with the most recent history and then look further and further back until that history has no more relevance. In my case, I now have one solid year of Mrs. G�s history book that is filled to the top of nothing but kind actions and loving deeds. That history creates an expectation of what I can expect tomorrow and! make the perfect introduction to the next Recovery Key.
RECOVERY KEY No. 5 (TRUST) That brings us to the concept of �trust�. You say that you once had it but your spouse�s affair ruined it and now you can�t see how it will EVER return. Welcome to the party. The simple fact is that trust is the culmination of a consistent and expected behavior. A spouse�s affair breaks that bond of trust and that means that the betrayed has lost the assurance that a repeat performance won�t happen again. Heck, nobody wants to be married to anybody that they cannot trust. Who wants to be constantly looking over their shoulder, not me, not you? Yet, we all know that in a marriage you should have a reasonable expectation to trust your spouse. So, what do we do about this trust thing?
Most D-days are surrounded by a host of lies, omissions and half-truths with regard to the depth and events surrounding the wayward spouse�s affair. They just can�t seem to bring themselves to let it all out in just one sitting. So the betrayed gets spoon-fed the story bit by bit, each day reveling new surprises to a bewildered and betrayed spouse. At the end it is no wonder that the trust between husband and wife is blown to smithereens. In the days that follow every betrayed spouse views with skepticism just about every word that flows from the wayward spouses mouth.
So the reality is that most every affair ends with the BS having zero trust with the WS. From there, there is only one direction to go and that is up. How fast that happens depends on several factors but the most important is controlled by the ongoing behavior of the wayward spouse. If a wayward spouse shows the betrayed that they are consistently, every day reconnected in the marriage then the betrayed will come to expect that next day will be like the previous. If you both live your marriage with complete radical honesty then you will each develop an expectation of trust; if that is done long enough and consistent enough then trust begins to reestablish itself.
Like forgiveness, trust is result of the thing that you do during your recovery. It is not something you do to cause recovery and it all starts with �Radical Honesty� (thanks to Dr. Harley!). Can you trust an honest person? This rhetorical question says it all.
There are many other recovery keys most of them fully explained by the Harleys. My other personal favorites are:
TRANSPARENCY IN MARRIAGE: This refers to throwing individual privacy between spouses into the garbage can. It makes having an affair a virtual impossibility.
THE CONCEPT OF SAFETY: The wayward spouse�s greatest gift to recovery is to place their betrayed into a position of comfort with regard to the wayward�s ongoing behavior. It is a place where the betrayed knows that they are not in danger of any kind of repeat performance from the wayward.
THE FALLACY OF THE MINDREADER: It is very important to resist having an expectation that your spouse knows how you feel or should know how you feel. None of us are very good at reading minds so if you have something on yours then share it with your spouse, tell him or her and let them (and yourself) off the hook. If you do this you will bypass many a-hard evening.
LOVE IS AN ACTION: You want to be in love, you want your spouse to love you? If that is what you want then you must behave in that fashion. Do the things that lovers do. Actions not only speak louder than words but can actually cause you to �feel� in love. Remember the Harleys discussion on the Love Bank and making love deposits? Every time you do something kind, or considerate or loving for your spouse you are increasing the positive way that they feel about you. It is simple arithmetic and the result is a foregone conclusion, LOVE.
I still have some traveling left on my journey but I now feel comfortable that I will one day arrive on that sunny beach.
I hope that you find yourself reconnecting more each day with your loved one. I would have never believed that I could ever have recovered from happened to my wife and me. I assure each and everyone out there, if I can do it, you can do it!
Mr. G I encourage you(and your BH to read this over and over. I know I do!  ) All Blessings, Jerry
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Has this been reported to your employers H.R. department?
OM might decide to leave if it was.
Who is more higher ranking, OM or BH?
Me 34 WW 30 Abandoned Feb 17th 08, D-Day Aprl 27th 08. Returned home Jul 7th, OC born 12/30/08 The FOG is clear, and we are in recovery.
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No. There is a long, well known history of similar activities taking place at our place of employment.
My H is higher ranking and can ruin OM. Revenge is his right. He has the power to ruin him even without having routine contact with him.
FWW me - 35, BH - 50, 5 kids total (blended fam) Dday - 1/29/2010, Exposure & NC same day Recovering slowly
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No. There is a long, well known history of similar activities taking place at our place of employment. Where any of them reported? Or do they just not care? Or is it a small company with no H.R. department? My H is higher ranking and can ruin OM. Revenge is his right. He has the power to ruin him even without having routine contact with him. Then why hasent he? I would!
Me 34 WW 30 Abandoned Feb 17th 08, D-Day Aprl 27th 08. Returned home Jul 7th, OC born 12/30/08 The FOG is clear, and we are in recovery.
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No. There is a long, well known history of similar activities taking place at our place of employment.
My H is higher ranking and can ruin OM. Revenge is his right. He has the power to ruin him even without having routine contact with him. Is this a public traded company? Larry
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Gack1 . . . Yes. No. Very large company, very large location, industrial setting. Yes, he is.
Larry . . . . Yes. On a corporate level, ethics are touted. On a local level, they is questionnable.
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I can assure you that your husband blames himself. How do I know that? I have walked in his shoes.
You have not a prayer of recovering the marriage. You DO have a prayer of starting something new. It may or may not be marriage. And that is just my gut check opinion.
Your husband needs help. We can try to help him here. Or you can call the Harley's and ask for their help. They are not expensive and they are adept at coming up with a plan.
Your husband likely needs to be a bit more down the road before the Harleys are approached.
Not much time has passed in the great scheme of things. There is NO reset button. Your future is earned, not given. Showing your husband that you care about him is a good start.
Just some random thoughts.
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Do you still work there with OM and BH?
Why does BH not expose at work?
You three can not work at the same company any more. Yet nothing is done to change this.
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Even though it has been decided that I have no prayer of recovering this marriage, I am still trying to make amends with my H.
We have been talking on a daily basis even though he is still not living at home. We see each other daily and I have been doing everything I can to meet his EN's (and he has for me as well). We've been having some good discussions until yesterday. I made the mistake of asking him for help with a personality flaw that drove me to the A (in addition to my obvious lack of morals/ehtics/boundaries). It upset him and pushed him away from me. I was trying to be O&H but it had a bad effect.
Based on this, I have a question. Why is it that we are to pinpoint what caused the A to happen in the first place if we are to never bring it up again? It's not just my experience yesterday that makes me ask. It is also coming from other posts I read. Specifically, when a BS posts, forum members ask them to work on determining why the A happened but when a WS posts and talks about why, forum members say "no, you had an A because you are a lowlife." I don't disagree that being a lowlife is the primary reason for having an A. I just wonder what WS's and BS's are suppossed to do with the knowledge of other factors that led to the A.
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Even though it has been decided that I have no prayer of recovering this marriage, I am still trying to make amends with my H.
We have been talking on a daily basis even though he is still not living at home. We see each other daily and I have been doing everything I can to meet his EN's (and he has for me as well). We've been having some good discussions until yesterday. I made the mistake of asking him for help with a personality flaw that drove me to the A (in addition to my obvious lack of morals/ehtics/boundaries). It upset him and pushed him away from me. I was trying to be O&H but it had a bad effect.
Based on this, I have a question. Why is it that we are to pinpoint what caused the A to happen in the first place if we are to never bring it up again? It's not just my experience yesterday that makes me ask. It is also coming from other posts I read. Specifically, when a BS posts, forum members ask them to work on determining why the A happened but when a WS posts and talks about why, forum members say "no, you had an A because you are a lowlife." I don't disagree that being a lowlife is the primary reason for having an A. I just wonder what WS's and BS's are suppossed to do with the knowledge of other factors that led to the A. Speaking as a person who tends to over-analyze, I'd say "Stop over-analyzing!"  Your H has shown you that it is counterproductive. You had your A because of a lack of boundaries. It's that simple. Recognize that and commit to building strong boundaries and a strong M. BS are asked to come to terms with anything they may have been doing, or not doing, in the process of meeting their spouse's needs. Not why the A happened. A's happen because of a lack of boundaries and an opportunity to have one.
D-Day 2-10-2009 Fully Recovered and Better Than Ever! Thank you Marriage Builders!
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u233sws,
You wrote, when a BS posts, forum members ask them to work on determining why the A happened but when a WS posts and talks about why, forum members say "no, you had an A because you are a lowlife."
I think some of the BS on this forum mistake an explanation for an excuse and or a minimization, and tend to shoot first and ask questions later. At the same time realize though that while the truth is the best approach, in the short term it leads to greater pain like setting a bone.
BTW, when I first started reading her the explanations given by WW's were very helpful to me in understanding my part in my wifes EA.
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U233, You are not together, you state that there is no prayer for recovering this marriage (which I think is wrong). Then you I made the mistake of asking him for help with a personality flaw that drove me to the A (in addition to my obvious lack of morals/ehtics/boundaries). It upset him and pushed him away from me. I was trying to be O&H but it had a bad effect. You are trying to "fix" him. You are trying to tell him that in essence he was at least a partial cause of the affair you had. Don't you understand filters? He is clearly struggling with what you did, but it is also just as clear he would not be meeting your needs if he was out of this marriage. Yet you insist on discussing HIS flaws by asking him for help with a personality flaw that drove you to th A. It is entirely possible that what he hears is an excuse. What he hears is that somehow HE can fix you/him/the marriage. He can but he cannot fix you, and if you are pointing out his personality flaw (you were not clear on that), then you are prematurely asking him to fix his. Making it sound like it is his fault. You don't ask him to fix anything. What you do is enjoy his company, make sure he knows he is wanted and desired in your life and that the interactions you two have are pleasant. You two are a long way from "fixing" anything. You are just normalizing relations let that happen for awhile and then if there is a decision to try and rebuild this marriage, discuss with a counselor present what needs to happen for you to feel good in this marriage and for him to feel good in this marriage. This is a process and it takes time. Your marriage does have a chance but you both first need to see what you liked and loved in one another when you first got married. Please think about this God Bless, JL
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In short you are blaming your BH for you having an affair.
You both chose to or failed to meet each other's needs. So you both get blamed for the marriage going down the drain.
Your BH did not tell you to go cheat. You decided that on your own. Can't blame your BH for that.
Post affair you need to be a better spouse. So does your BH. However as you have seen with your BH that it is a fine edge between helping your BH and blaming your BH.
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OK, I agree with the overanalyzing stuff. I'm an engineer so it comes naturally for me to constantly analyze data and try to optimize. But that doesn't work well with human beings always. To clarify, it was MY personality flaw that I was talking about.
I think you guys are spot on when you say we need to concentrate on enhjoying one another as a couple and redeiscovering the things that made us fall in love in the first place. I am seeing that it has much better results than constantly dsicussing A and relationship.
By the way, the reason I said we have no prayer of recovering our M is because I was quoting Larry from the previous post.
P.S. I am excited because I will be starting my new job in a few weeks.
FWW me - 35, BH - 50, 5 kids total (blended fam) Dday - 1/29/2010, Exposure & NC same day Recovering slowly
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Why is it that we are to pinpoint what caused the A to happen in the first place if we are to never bring it up again? The goal is to pinpoint the issues that led to the affair, give your BS all the details of the affair itself, and THEN agree to never bring it up again. For example, if poor boundaries led to the affair, they need to be discussed and acted upon. This does not mean that a WS is in a position to demand that a BS never bring it up, but if the couple wants to move forward, they should get it all out on the table and then never bring it up again.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Even though it has been decided that I have no prayer of recovering this marriage, I am still trying to make amends with my H.
Let me clarify something. I was not specific enough. I did not say nor did I mean that there would NOT be a forward going relationship. I have a fundamental difference with calling a forward reaching relationship after an affair as a "Recovery." I suppose you could call it that, but for me, that means it would be like before.
Given the trauma of what happened to BOTH parties I don't see how things can be restored as if the affair never happened. In other words, no reset button.
BUT, there can be a "New" relationship if both parties are willing and will work on it. As I see it, subject to the teachings of Dr. Harley, the new relationship is built upon the ashes of the old one until such time as the value of the new relationship for both parties exceeds that of the "Old" one.
We have been talking on a daily basis even though he is still not living at home. We see each other daily and I have been doing everything I can to meet his EN's (and he has for me as well). We've been having some good discussions until yesterday. I made the mistake of asking him for help with a personality flaw that drove me to the A (in addition to my obvious lack of morals/ehtics/boundaries). It upset him and pushed him away from me. I was trying to be O&H but it had a bad effect.
It used to drive me up a wall when my wife would speculate on what "Caused" her to have the affair, unless I brought it up. For me, just clarify from my engineering mind set, it was a lack of boundaries. There were a dozen or so contributing factors that set up the conditions for a lack of boundaries, (ethics morals character). In her personal "Narrative," I wanted her to focus on the development of boundaries, with contributing flaws as secondary issues, if that makes sense.
Based on this, I have a question. Why is it that we are to pinpoint what caused the A to happen in the first place if we are to never bring it up again? It's not just my experience yesterday that makes me ask. It is also coming from other posts I read. Specifically, when a BS posts, forum members ask them to work on determining why the A happened but when a WS posts and talks about why, forum members say "no, you had an A because you are a lowlife." I don't disagree that being a lowlife is the primary reason for having an A. I just wonder what WS's and BS's are suppossed to do with the knowledge of other factors that led to the A. It may appear that forum members are exclusively raining on WS. And of course they do rain on them. For my part, I am quick to tell a BS when the BS is engaged in a mind puzzle that could be called "BS fog." Over the years, I have even had members here tell me I am too easy on waywards. I am not. I just understand that a wayward has to forgive themselves for the destruction of another human being, someone who trusted them, before they can really, really, start the process of rebuilding a new relationship with their mate, if that is to be the goal of both parties. Harley emphasizes looking forward, not backward. Hope that clarifies what I intended to say. I apologize for not being specific enough. Do I need to expand on the concepts I have outlined? For me, the task is for the WS to develop secure boundaries irrespective of contributing factors, which could be called excuses and not reasons. We all have inner workings that could lead us to an affair, according to Harley. The route for the BS is to analyze their own inner workings to insure that they work on any contributing factors they might have that leads down the path of destruction. They have to learn to forgive, if not forget. Harley teaches people how to fall in love, or fall in love again. His methods are in the center of the bull's eye. But it takes both parties to walk the road. Larry
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OK. Thanks again to you vets in particular for your help and insight. Whenever I feel like I am losing my mind I can come here and get grounded again in reality.
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