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i did i did lol j/k


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Teilhard de Chardin..“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.” ...Sounds about right to me.
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Originally Posted by Retread
Men won't stay obsessed with trying to do everything right for very long when the odds are slim on making his wife happy. When it doesn't happen, he feels like he failed, or worse, that he was betrayed. Discouragement turns into apathy and then the trying stops.


Yeah been there, The familiarity of this over time causes a lot of accepted beliefs also like , "She just doesn't love me or want me anymore" or worse can drive a man with self-esteem issues to work harder, give more, and sacrifice his mental and physical health if this isn't brought back to balance. KInd-of like doing a plan A way to long



Some women's tempers heat up a lot faster
than they cool off, which is not good physics.

For others, it is not anger, but simmering resentment over this or that they didn't get, don't have, or someone else has nicer. They can't ride by and see the flowers blooming without thinking about how their yard doesn't have ones as pretty. If they ever hit a rough spot in their marriage, they can't get over it, even when things are going well for them, and they'll bring it up whenever they aren't happy about something else.


Yes The natural need to adjust thier enviroment can definatly cause women to compare.. even compare thier husbands to others. It kinda feels like "The grass is greener".


Others, as mentioned above, think everything is just fine, but just don't think about being affectionate, loving and sexual. They love have SF five times a year. Doesn't their husband? Why isn't that enough for him?

This sounds like general SF observations, but I am thinking about those who are older and have been married longer, where SF has been ignored for a long time. Both men and women need to wake up and get to work on it, because some of the other items that may be unattended, like Attractive Spouse, and Recreation, are not as easy to achieve the older one gets.


Its like that old adage. "If you Ignore your health, it will just go away"


Me 56 Former BS
Widowed 5-17-09 --married 25 years.
4 children
DS-35 previous marriage--18-22 DGrandSons 6 and 4
Me former BS
DD-29 with DGDs 5 and 1yr
DSs 26 and 23
Teilhard de Chardin..“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.” ...Sounds about right to me.
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Men won't stay obsessed with trying to do everything right for very long when the odds are slim on making his wife happy. When it doesn't happen, he feels like he failed, or worse, that he was betrayed.

but simmering resentment over this or that they didn't get, don't have, or someone else has nicer.......they'll bring it up whenever they aren't happy about something else.


Well I agree with the "Odds are slim on making his W happy" and the idea that someone else will always have something nicer, which my W talked about often.


Discouragement turns into apathy and then the trying stops.

I thought that was commonly why guys withdraw to their cave.

They love have SF five times a year. Doesn't their husband? Why isn't that enough for him?

Sounds like what I hear at home.

Lou


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... and the longer you let these bad habits go on, the more difficult it will be to unwind them, shed the baggage and repair things in middle age.

Thinking that you are going to wait until the children are grown, then get in shape, become attractive and conversational and go on cruises and trips with the spouse you ignored for 20 years, is as unrealistic as thinking you don't need to start saving for retirement until you are 60 years old.

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You are right Retread.

I did plan ahead and was put back a few steps by my WH's affair and divorce. However most of my life is on track. I got financially fit, in good physical shape, so that we would enjoy our later years.

There is no excuse for letting things ride for years and years. But I think most people get comfortable with the status quo.

Back to the original subject Sex, Age and Expectations. There is no reason that older people can't have wonderful SF. And I hope that people here start expecting that.

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Expectation is a vital first step to achieving anything that is not given to you. Expecting a complete sex life, or financial security, or a complete married life does not mean a waiting on someone else to give it to you, but to expect TO BE something. To me, it means visualizing what I have to do in order to achieve something, doing it, and having the other parties meet me close to halfway.

When I was age 30, I never had any expectation of myself at age 60 not making love twice a week or more. I expected to be rich (I'm not). I expected to be healthy, and active (I am). Just expecting to be something doesn't not mean you will achieve it. Even working very hard, you may not reach your goals. But one thing is for sure: if you don't expect it, you won't work for it, and without effort, you surely won't have it.

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Yeah Retread, Its like God gives us the tools and says "Go build it" Many wait for things that never come because they don't feel worthy which is a backward way of blaming life, or God if you will. We will never get anything good unless we expect it and do our part to obtain it. We will allways have to fight the good fight and be dilegent in protecting what we love.


Me 56 Former BS
Widowed 5-17-09 --married 25 years.
4 children
DS-35 previous marriage--18-22 DGrandSons 6 and 4
Me former BS
DD-29 with DGDs 5 and 1yr
DSs 26 and 23
Teilhard de Chardin..“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.” ...Sounds about right to me.
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