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Asking for help...I have been married for 16 years and have 2 kids. I have cheated numerous times and am looking for advice, to stop the hurt I cause and how to actually have a functional marriage. I want to be with my wife. I do love her, just show her in a terrible way. I normally push things under the rug and don't want to fight. I dont share for the most part because to avoid added conflict. I project this on my wife and my family by being self centered and looking for attention, even if for the sake of stoking my ego.

I want to do things over, do it right, knowing that I have always hurt her, my kids, my family. Where do I start, where do I go?

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Hi IHS - Welcome to MB. Start by reading all of the articles here on the website.

The weekends are very slow around here so you probably won't get many replies until later on Monday. Use this time to learn about affairs, how they start, how to end them, and how rebuild your M after an affair.

I will say that if your wife chooses not to take you back, then there's not much else you can do. You've been calling the shots so far, and now that your wife knows about your past affairs, its her decision on whether she wants to try and rebuild it, or walk away.

Prepare yourself for some pretty serious 2x4's from people... especially if you start making excuses for why you strayed... There is a ton of information here and you need to read up on all of it so you understand where any advice you receive is coming from.

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Welcome to MB!





Recovery began 10/07;

Meeting my wife's EN's is my "thank you" that refuses to be silenced.
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Can you give a little detail?

How old are your kids?

Is your wife on the forums?

Have you read any of the books written by Dr. Harley?

How many affairs have there been?

When and how long were the A's? A little detail please and who were they... ie; friend, co-worker, etc.

Are you currently No Contact (NC) with all of your Affair Partners (AP's)?





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Originally Posted by ihurtsomeone
I want to do things over, do it right, knowing that I have always hurt her, my kids, my family. Where do I start, where do I go?

IH, Welcome to Marriage Builders. The first step in recovering your marriage is honesty. Has your wife been told of your affairs? Have you answered all of her questions honestly and completely? That is the first step.

Here is what it will take to recover your marriage:

Originally Posted by Requirements for Recovery
The plan I recommend for recovery after an affair is very specific. That's because I've found that even small deviations from that plan are usually disastrous. But when it's followed, it always works. The plan has two parts that must be implemented sequentially. The first part of the plan is for the unfaithful spouse to completely separate from the lover and eliminate the conditions that made the affair possible. The second part is for the couple to create a romantic relationship, using my Basic Concepts as a guide.

I'll describe these two parts to you in a little more detail.

The first step, complete separation from the lover and eliminating the conditions that made the affair possible, requires a complete understanding of the affair. All information regarding the affair must be revealed to the betrayed spouse, including the name of the lover, the conditions that made the affair possible (travel, internet, etc.), the details of what took place during the affair, all correspondence, and anything else that would shed light on the tragedy.

This information is important for two reasons: (1) it creates accountability and transparency, making it essentially impossible for the unfaithful spouse to continue the affair or begin a new one unnoticed, and (2) it creates trust for the betrayed spouse, providing evidence that the affair is over and a new one is unlikely to take its place. The nightmares you experience are likely to continue until you have the facts that
will lead to your assurance that your husband can be trusted.

An analysis of the betrayed spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. I know why people have affairs: We are all wired for it. Given certain conditions, we would all do it. Given other conditions, however, none of us would do it. So the goal of the first step is to discover the conditions that made the affair possible and eliminate them.

After the first step is completed, the second step is to create a romantic relationship between you and your husband using my 10 Basic Concepts here
as your guide. While your relationship may be improving, it won't lead to a romantic relationship because you are not being transparent toward each other. Unspoken issues in a marital relationship lead to a superficiality that ruins romance.
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How old are your kids?
both under 12

Is your wife on the forums? yes

Have you read any of the books written by Dr. Harley? no

How many affairs have there been? 5 2 about 10 years ago, 1 about 7, 1 3 years ago (this on was physical I made effort to see her), last one just ended and was 3 months
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When and how long were the A's? A little detail please and who were they... ie; friend, co-worker, etc.
They first was a few emails (friend) and the second were letters (before email) and 3 & 5 were co workers and 4 was old GF

Are you currently No Contact (NC) with all of your Affair Partners (AP's)?

All are over I dont talk to anyone

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UGH, sorry dont do chat rooms.
Other than a 9 month physical and emotional affair, most are email affairs (i know same thing), that unfortunatelly progressed.

I have always been very needy, want attantion. When i didnt get what I thought I wanted, I look for whomever is giving me attention.

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Thank you.

I think we have a plan to start over. My current job has me traveling more than 50% of the time. I am trying to 1) move away and take a job that has 0 travel. That has been tougher than I thought. But could happen this month. No travel & home every night. Similar position that I was in for over 4 years and never srayed or even thought about it.

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Are you currently working with this latest affair partner (AP)?






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she works in the same building. We dont work together. Another reason why I need another job. My wife contacted her and I have had no contact since.

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What is your wife's user name on MB?





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What is your wife's user name on MB?


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We gain strength, and courage, and confidence by each experience in which we really stop to look fear in the face... we must do that which we think we cannot.
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quick t/j... Hi BR, Sorry you find yourself bac here with all the pain to relive again and again... {{{{{{BR}}}}}}}}



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What are you willing to do to recover this marriage?






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Originally Posted by ihurtsomeone
Thank you.

I think we have a plan to start over. My current job has me traveling more than 50% of the time. I am trying to 1) move away and take a job that has 0 travel. That has been tougher than I thought. But could happen this month. No travel & home every night. Similar position that I was in for over 4 years and never srayed or even thought about it.

IH, I would start doing things NOW, in addition to changing jobs, that will make her feel more secure. For example, can she go with you on your trips for now? Can you arrange to leave the kids with a relative during the week or have a relative come stay with them?

Your traveling is very dangerous for your marriage and your kids would be better off with a relative if it meant that your W was with you during the week. This is something that Steve Harley was ADAMANT about with other clients who have traveling jobs. Another poster, for example, had her mother come to her home during the week and watch their 7, 9 and 12 year old until the WH left that job.

Another thing you can do is install EBLASTER on your computer and let your WIFE set up the password and choose the target email account to send the reports to. Additionally, you can install flexispy on your phone so she can see all cell phone activity.

If it were me, I would kick your [censored] to the curb, because I think serial cheaters are a special class of SON OF A BIT**, but she might be willing to work this out if you seriously make your life an open book.


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anything, I just want us to work this together

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Some of Dr Harley's posts to members on the weekend forum:

written to a WAYWARD HUSBAND:
Originally Posted by Dr Harley
Since you've had an affair, I would imagine that your wife is very emotionally defensive about the subject. It's the worst experience of her life -- worse than the loss of her son five years ago. Can you imagine anything being that bad? Well, you did it to her, and she is suffering as a result. It's all she can do to remain rational. If she were to express herself emotionally at this point, she would probably be expressing deep feelings of hopelessness and catastrophic loss. By trying to be rational, she is able to focus on the practical side of the issue.
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Originally Posted by Dr Harley
"We regard infidelity as the worst offense in marriage. More damaging than physical abuse. And when a couple goes through a period of time when their relationship is broken, and they are not meeting each other's emotional needs, infidelity is very common. Granted, we can even patch these marriages together when the incentive to reconcile (children) is present. But it would be much easier and much less painful if you and your husband never had to go through it.
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she has the only email I have left, and she can access it.
Yes she can travel with me, we have no family where we live

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From "Defending Traditional Marriage" pg 143:


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An affair is devastating to a betrayed spouse. It�s one of the most painful experiences that he or she could ever endure. In fact, most betrayed spouses cannot think of a single tragedy that is worse for them than the affair. Consider these examples (names have been changed to protect their identity)

* Nancy's father was murdered, her mother died of a very aggressive cancer in the same year. Both were very close to Nancy, and their sudden deaths were devastating to her. But she reported that the pain she suffered from her husband's affair was far more devastating.

* Cindy had been sexually molested by her father in her early teens. Yet her husband's one-year affair with a woman he met while away on business created far more trauma for her than her father's irresponsible behavior.

* Julie was raped by a stranger when she attended college. She told us that the rape paled in comparison to her struggle with her husband's two year affair with a female co worker.

* Robin was gang raped when she was twenty three. She reported that her husband�s one year affair with a woman he met at a local bar was much more difficult to overcome than the physical and emotional damage from the rape.

* Chad's six year old son died in a backyard accident. He said the pain he suffered from his wife's affair with a neighbor was far greater than the pain from his son's tragic death.

* Sylvia's younger sister was raped and murdered by a stranger when Sylvia was twenty one. But her husband's five month affair with a co-worker caused her to suffer more than the brutal death of her younger sister, whom she cared for deeply.

These are just a few of the testimonials that we have recorded when counseling victims of infidelity at the Marriage Builders Counseling Center. Scores of others have told me the same thing. A spouse's affair is the just about the worst experience in anyone's life.

Dr Harley also discusses it here:

Originally Posted by Dr Harley
After having counseled thousands of couples with hundreds of marital conflicts, I am completely convinced that a spouse's unfaithfulness is the most painful experience that can be inflicted in marriage. Those I've counseled who have
had the tragic misfortune of having experienced rape, physical abuse, sexual abuse of their children, and infidelity have consistently reported to me that their spouse's unfaithfulness was their very worst experience
. To be convinced of the devastating impact of infidelity, you only need to go through it once.
How to Survive Infidelity


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Originally Posted by ihurtsomeone
she has the only email I have left, and she can access it.

You mean the only email she KNOWS ABOUT, don't you? She needs to have a keylogger on your computer to know about your email accounts. You can get a keylogger and put it on your work computer and have HER set the password. Go download eblaster at spectorpro.com

Opening up your life COMPLETELY to her will help her learn to trust you. And you are less likely to screw up if you know she can see.

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Can a relative come out and stay with you?


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Is the OW at work married?


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