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Just found out that my XH is engaged after dating a woman for 5 months and the date has been set for 12/22/12.
I know in my heart that we had a bad B-A-D marriage - very unhealthy - but I am devastated.
This morning he calls me and tells me that I was the one that he wanted and I was the one that he loved and still loves, but that he is tired of being alone and knows that I don't want him so he has moved on.
It hurts.

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so sorry, life2short. frown


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Originally Posted by life2short
I’ll try to make as easy to follow as possible:
My question is “Should I end it?”

I’m in my mid 40s; one child. I’m on my second marriage (separated for two years); husband’s third. My child is a teenager from first marriage but second husband adopted.

I was separated/divorced for 2.5 years and dated no one until I met my husband. He was divorced from his first wife (nasty divorce and post divorce) and mother of his 2 children (one boy/one girl) for one year when he married someone else. He cheated on his first wife and might have been involved w/the second wife before the divorce was final; I have my suspicions. The second marriage lasted about 1.5 years and ended in divorce because of his kids. There were several women in between the second divorce and me. He was divorced from the second wife about three years when we met. The second wife was still in his life; took care of his checkbook,etc.

We dated 7 months before we married. There were family ties on both sides between us so an immediate comfort level was established. I was in church and he was just getting into church. I was lonely and had been praying that God would put someone into my life. I just knew he was God's answer to my prayer.

He is a double standards kind of person. Okay for him to have a past but not me. I admit I lied about a lot of my past to him because I felt I would lose him if he knew the truth. Nothing illegal; just some poor choices as a teenager. Remember, I was in my late thirties when I met him. We’ve been together 9 years so we’re talking about 30 plus years ago.

Less than one year after we married, he had an affair with a woman 10 years younger. She was a co-worker of his sister’s. Things weren’t going well w/us and his kids were playing games like not coming because of me and my child; would come if we weren't going to be around; would come if they could do X. I found out about the affair. Initially he denied but the next day admitted it. I decided to stay because I was so in love with him. So, the marriage has been rocky from the beginning. His children ruled the roost; the ex’s and ours. They played games with us. The son moved back and forth between our two houses almost a dozen times in three years and it was nasty each time. I have no relationship w/kids;both now grown but not gone. Bad, bad situation.

We evolved into a marriage with no relationship. We spent no time together. He took up little time w/my child and blatantly chose his over mine. There were fights over money. He lost a longtime job due to downsizing. From there we opened a company that we sold in a couple of years; bad decision to buy. He always has to have new vehicles, new clothes, etc. I drive old vehicles, more conservative. He did a few jobs for a few months each and then, 2 years ago, opened another business that is doing pretty good.

At 16, his son got a girl pregnant. They married after the baby was born. The son came to work for my husband over my objections. Over my objections, he allowed the son/wife/baby to move into our house. I told him “no” before he did it but he did it anyway. Excuse was that I had finally confessed to a lie I had told about something I had done as a 15 year old and he didn’t care what I thought. When he moved them in, my child and I moved out about 3 weeks later.

I left my pay in a joint account. My money still goes for mortgage, utilities, food, etc. I have the health insurance. He constantly threatens to take everything. He talks about the people he knows who could have me fired from my job. I am financially fine w/out him. I have great family support.

I’ve asked him for a divorce at least 3 times and, each time, he threatens to commit suicide. He accuses me of having an affair with someone at church. Not true but I have developed a friendship with the person and believe the person to be someone I could have a relationship with if I wasn’t married. He stopped going to church altogether about a year before I started talking to this person. After he found that out, he started a friendship back up with the second ex-wife. There has also been a relationship with someone he met via the business; lots of late night phone calls; lots of threats that he was going to be wtih her. All the while though he curses me like a sailor, calls me all sorts of names (slut, bit__, etc.) threatens to reveal my past to everyone, etc. Says he’ll make my life a living ******. Like he hasn’t already.

So, for the question. Do I stay married and go back home and continue to put my child into the situation with his kids and the relationship that exists between me and them; horrible. The mental abuse he has put me through from the first affair to now has been horrible. Do I try to make it work or do I go through with a divorce? We have a draft set of papers from an attorney.

Counseling – we met a couple of times w/pastor where I attend church;didn't help. We met w/a psychologist two times but he thought he was blaming him so he wouldn’t go back. We have individually talked to counselors both of whom have told us to end it; they had our side of the story only though.

Praying to God for guidance – I have been. I’ve prayed all I know to pray. I’ve asked for signs. Things will be going okay; getting along okay and I’ll ask God to show me what to do. Within hours he’ll call and we’ll get into an argument over absolutely nothing. God’s sign or a coincidence? My counselor said there are no coincidences w/God and that was a sign. Two-three others have said the same thing. I could write pages on the stuff that has gone on; mental abuse, tiny bit of physical; more throwing things than anything.

Advice, please. Do I end it for the sake of my child and my sanity and get on with my life?

Quit talking to him so you can move on.
Now this new lady can deal with all of his problems.

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I have distanced myself the last few months. I have not called or texted him. Very limited contacted and then only when he initiated it.
Reading my original post above I feel like such a loser that I would still have a connection to this man a) after all these years and b) after the rocky relationship we had.
I know that I have some major issues that I don't seem to have effectively dealt with. On an intellectual level I know this man is bad for me and I feel sorry for this woman because I know so well the pattern. He is putting his best foot forward and she is smitten. He is very charming. But she has two small children (9 and 12) the ages of two of his three grandchildren. I know the kind of stuff he is doing right now and I know how easily this woman has fallen for him because I WAS her.
I just can't seem to close that door and I am so ticked off at myself that I wasn't the one to close it on him and here I am still whining and crying over what was such a dark time in my life.
I want desparately to move on and start dating. Nothing heavy, just casual friendship - dinner, movie, etc. If ever I am lucky enough to remarry I want to take my time and ensure as much as I can that I have found a good mate.
I just dont' seem to be the type of person that men find attractive enough to ask out and I don't know what to do about that. I've not ugly. I'm in good physical shape. I am financially secure. I'm not just never asked out.

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I think that's why DR Harley encourages plan B after divorce.
To help us emotionally heal after divorce.
Every contact can be like opening a wound again.

I struggle also, between my intellect telling me that divorce was good; and my emotions that miss my ex wife.

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Originally Posted by life2short
I want desparately to move on and start dating. Nothing heavy, just casual friendship - dinner, movie, etc. If ever I am lucky enough to remarry I want to take my time and ensure as much as I can that I have found a good mate.

I agree that you seriously need to get yourself into an airtight Plan B. You have been separated almost 10 years, right? I would shut the door and not even send a letter. Just shut the door. You will withdraw in due time and that would be good for your mental health.


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Separated/divorced almost 10 yrs - correct. There are so many times that I thought we might could repair and it's something he has always talked about, but he has found another me. Divorced, small kids, house and yard to take care of - NEEDY.
I know every step that he has taken, but she doesn't know every step he WILL take.
The smart part of me knows better than to go back.
The heart part of me wishes I could have fixed it.

I have no doubt that this fourth marriage will most likely fail, but I also hope that I'm wrong as I wouldn't wish that pain on anyone and she and her kids are innocent in all this. She just doesn't know enough to run. She knows what he's told her to make himself look like the victim - that's what he did to me.

Early on I thought his first two EX's had to be the most stupid women that ever lived. Now, I see them as smart except that the second one attempted a reconciliation during our separation. Didn't work and I'm not sure why as she was in the picture for a while before we finally divorced and afterward helping him with company paperwork.

The years I've lost for no good reason. Sad stuff.





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Originally Posted by life2short
The years I've lost for no good reason. Sad stuff.

I agree. And I would not sacrifice one more day to this guy. Dr Harley says if you don't reconcile within 2 years, it is time to move on. This is a dead, bloated body, life2short. MAke a decision to drag yourself away from this lost cause and start living again.


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What can we help you with so you can get into an air-tight Plan B?
How to Plan B Correctly


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I think it helps just to see that everyone says what I know to be true - he is not good for me and the bad that I would endure far outweighs any good. Add that to the fact that I would just be getting more of the same and I know the right thing to do.
There's just something wrong within me that I still answer his calls and respond to his texts.
I'm just hurt - I know it's stupid - that he has moved on but I am still stuck. It's no one's fault but mine and I'm really mad at myself that I allowed myself to get sucked back in over and over again to the extent that I'm still in the same spot and he's engaged and about to be married in 28 days.
Just mad at me.
I'm interested in dating again - have been for some time, but short of resorting to online dating, I really don't know where to meet anyone. I work out at the gym but really early, I work all day and I go to church Sundays but so far, I haven't met anyone. I hope there's someone out there, but dang if I can find him!! Maybe it's cause I'm not in the right place emotionally yet. Who knows? Just feeling sorry for myself right now.

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Maybe you are so emotionally entangled with your ex husband that you don't welcome flirting by other men

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Originally Posted by life2short
I'm interested in dating again - have been for some time, but short of resorting to online dating, I really don't know where to meet anyone.


Don't be too quick to dismiss on-line dating. It is a fabulous way to meet people that are outside your usual circle of friends which is important if all of them were friends with you both. This is especially true of you don't have a lot of girlfriends or live in a small town where there are few singles.

I think the final stage of recovery from a broken relationship happens when you realise that men still find you attractive and that there is a whole new wonderful world out there. Keep an open mind, don't look for 'the one' but just start meeting people. Keep it light and easy (Starbucks not dinner).

If you want more suggestions on effective on-line dating, happy to help.


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living_well,
Would love some on-line dating tips. I look there,but have never contacted anyone. I don't want my photo out there for all to see.

Guess I've just done this unhealthy dance with XH for so long and we've been through so much to include multiple OW both during and after divorce, that I never thought I'd still be here and he'd be moving on.

I discussed at length with a close family member that knows him all too well. She thinks 6 months is too soon, the woman is infatuated and isn't taking time to really get to know him as he is on his best behavior right now and that he is going to cheat on her and their marriage will end. For the fiance's sake, I hope she's wrong, but I have a feeling she is right. At 48 and he's still doing some of the stuff I know he has done and lied about, I don't think he has changed.

So, which on-line dating sites are best? I am a young at heart 54 year old, but the last few years have added a lot of lines to my face! I am in good shape, I am financially stable so am not looking for someone to take care of me, but also do not want someone that wants me to take care of them.

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Originally Posted by life2short
living_well,
Would love some on-line dating tips. I look there,but have never contacted anyone. I don't want my photo out there for all to see.


You need a good photo, nobody decent will be in touch with you without this. The lack of a photo flags the cheaters like nothing else. But nobody that you know will spot you because you will use a screen name just as you do here.

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So, which on-line dating sites are best? I am a young at heart 54 year old, but the last few years have added a lot of lines to my face! I am in good shape, I am financially stable so am not looking for someone to take care of me, but also do not want someone that wants me to take care of them.


That sounds very healthy. I've only used Match.com so can't comment on the others. A girlfriend put me onto it. Spend some time browsing the category as a male looking for women 50-55. Then start writing your profile. Keep it amusing and add some breadcrumbs (subtle stuff about who you are that will be picked up only by someone in your category). For instance, I added a vignette about how I wound up the nuns at my boarding school. That took care of several breadcrumbs at once.

After you have posted your profile, the real work will begin. Ignore anyone that contacts you or who Match suggests, you will only get rubbish that way. Carefully comb through the males in your the age and distance category using the keyword filter. For instance, I love to sail so the 'sailing' keyword went in for me.

One you find a profile that you like the look of, send a really amusing lighthearted message that indicates you actually read their page, people love that. Don't get depressed if you get no response, many profiles are from people no longer active on the site.

If you get a response and decide to meet, make this a public place and a short meeting..


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And one point is that you have to pay to read messages.
I set up a profile on match and christianmingle but didn't pay. Consequently, I got messages but couldn't read them.

But you may want to consider planB for at least a few months before dating.

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I have match and christianmingle as well, but didn't pay either. I also did eHarmony once, but seemed to get matched to folks too far away. Maybe my perfect mate isn't out there!!!

I'm feeling really sorry for myself right now and could really kick myself in the behind for allowing this to drag out so long. I should be on with my life and happy now; maybe not married or even in a relationship, but happy with my life. I'm not in a very good place right now and it's all my fault.

Regarding the online dating thing, any luck with finding good guys that way? I always hear the horror stories except for the TV commercials to the contrary!!

I agree about plan B. Best way to handle. I can't get hurt if I have no contact. Down side is we live about a mile from each other and the fiance lives about 3 miles from him. I'm bound to run into him/her/them at the grocery store, local stores, etc. It's going to happen. I had to buy a house so my daughter could stay in her school district. I went conservative financially and bought a modest home in a modest neighborhood so I wouldn't have to worry about finances. She's in college now - local - so I could put it on the market, but won't get what I paid for it and don't know where else I would like to live within our town. There are pockets of good areas at reasonable prices and this is one of them. Don't know what their long-term plans are, but don't expect they'll make any immediate moves but they might.

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How is it that men like him always seem to come out on top? They do such crappy things yet always seem to come out smelling like a rose!
Is it that women that are lonely, needy etc. seem to fall for the charming facade and we allow ourselves to be swept off our feet so that by the time he reveals his true nature we are helplessly caught in his web?
This will be his fourth marriage. His second had two small kids and he was working at the same company she was so they knew each other. I was the third with a small child and his second cousin introduced us so there was some automatic trust there. The fourth one is friends with the wife of one of his good friends for many years so same thing - instant trust as a known person.

Please don't anyone get me wrong with what I'm about to say as I grew up poor and was the product of a dad (WWII vet) with a 7th grade education and a mom with a high school education.

He dropped out in the 9th grade and got his GED some years later. No college. Was a truck driver for some years and then lost office job with same company due to a buy-out of the company. We opened a small business - bought established one - and folded that after two years - bad idea. He did couple of other jobs and then we opened a second company. It doesn't make a lot of money but it pays the bills and employs 3 others - all family.

2nd wife was college educated - from good family - secure
I'm college educated - good family but no money!! - secure
The OW lived in one of the most exclusive neighborhoods in our area - was a divorce settlement but also had some family money
#4 don't know much about her but she is a school teacher and lives in a nice neighborhood, nice house, might come from money or got some somewhere as you don't afford that house on a teacher's salary

I know this is all sour grapes, but I just don't understand how he keeps doing this. And yes I do wonder what is wrong with me that I seemed to attract and be attracted to him. Why can't I find someone that has some financial assets and move up in the world!?!?!?!? I'm somewhat joking as I'm not looking for someone to take care of me, but I would like to attract someone that is more evenly matched especially as it relates to ideas about money, both spending and saving.

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What makes you think he came out on top?

It sounds like he's been in a life long pattern of unhealthy behaviors.

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Like I said - bitterly sour grapes!!
I don't know her, but some of the stuff he said to me when he first started working on her house was that she reminded him of me in that she tried to do stuff around the house on her own and some projects worked out and some didn't.
So now he is going to have someone - like me I presume - that will do the housework, do the yardwork, help with the paperwork, take care of laundry and cooking and whatever else and he will be himself.
He will get rid of his house that has some major foundation issues and move in with her.
He has landed on his feet once again. Not that I want him to fall on his face - although I guess that is what all this sounds like - but he always seems to land in a nice soft bed of feathers instead of a thornbush.
He is incredibly charming to the right woman and he always seems to land someone that has the means to support him in his endeavors.
Sour grapes , sour grapes.
I just want to find someone myself and move on, but I have been asked out zero times since he and I divorced. And I don't know why. I'm not ugly. I'm not beautiful but I am not ugly by any means. I am active - work out and run - and take pretty good care of myself.

I want to move on too but that just doesn't seemt to happen for me and it just ticks me off. I don't know what to do with myself. I found it very hard to sleep last night - maybe got 3 - 4 hours. And he's getting married in 27 days.

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Originally Posted by life2short
Like I said - bitterly sour grapes!!
I don't know her, but some of the stuff he said to me when he first started working on her house was that she reminded him of me in that she tried to do stuff around the house on her own and some projects worked out and some didn't.
So now he is going to have someone - like me I presume - that will do the housework, do the yardwork, help with the paperwork, take care of laundry and cooking and whatever else and he will be himself.
He will get rid of his house that has some major foundation issues and move in with her.
He has landed on his feet once again. Not that I want him to fall on his face - although I guess that is what all this sounds like - but he always seems to land in a nice soft bed of feathers instead of a thornbush.
He is incredibly charming to the right woman and he always seems to land someone that has the means to support him in his endeavors.
Sour grapes , sour grapes.
I just want to find someone myself and move on, but I have been asked out zero times since he and I divorced. And I don't know why. I'm not ugly. I'm not beautiful but I am not ugly by any means. I am active - work out and run - and take pretty good care of myself.

I want to move on too but that just doesn't seemt to happen for me and it just ticks me off. I don't know what to do with myself. I found it very hard to sleep last night - maybe got 3 - 4 hours. And he's getting married in 27 days.
Have you tried joining a group? Like a running group or something?

When you get into a true dark Plan B you will heal.

When are you going to change your contact information? So he can't contact you? He will try and reach out to you when he starts having problems in this new marriage.

Close that door and put all your time and energy into yourself. You deserve it.


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