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I was one of those "few folks" after WH moved in with MOW. I'd been in denial about A's in the past, but his leaving for MOW tore down the veil of denial about his previous "friendships". Now, after MB, IC, and Al-Anon, I know I can not only survive but thrive on my own. I have a level of serenity I never had in my M and I wouldn't do now what I did then... Live and learn. Well said....case closed. LM
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I had the right to remain silent.......but I didn't have the ability.
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He also stated that one time cheaters are addicted to a PERSON, whereas a serial cheater is addicted to AFFAIRS. And that they should be handled like any other addiction. I don't think I ever read this thread before .... this is interesting.
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I thought this was interesting: He said that often anti-social personalities are serial cheaters but they usually don't marry.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Hey Mel, Hi Pep,
Just read this whole thread, thanks for bumping it.
You guys were discussing this in mid April,'06 ~> the very exact week that my H was beginning the phone sex part of his second EA. (He was confronted first by our 2 adult children June 30, '06 and then confessed to me, after he overcame his strong urge to commit suicide on the way to tell me.)
To answer your question from Dispair's thread, yes and no.
Yes, he was addicted to the person, hence the difficult withdrawal complicated by my retrusting him blindly and, uh, literally putting my head in the sand.
After we began reading MB books, I pulled my head out long enough to draw a line in that same sand when D-Day #4 happened.
I believe that the MB books we were reading must have impacted him, especially the parts about enduring withdrawal, which neither of us knew about. ( I didn't find and register for these forums until several weeks later.)
No, I do not believe he is addicted to having affairs in general, but he was very addicted to the high he got from lying in general and getting away with it. He says he learned to do it well from his mom. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> It's a big part of the reason we had such a detached dysfunctional M for so many years.
Now that our tough MC is nailing him (it's been almost 3 months since a blatant lie....knock on wood), he seems to be starting to get it.
Our struggles are detailed on the Recovery forum (Smiles & Trials 2) so if you see anything else on that thread that I/we should address, please let me know.
Again, thanks for bumping this thread and for asking.
Ace
FWH/BW (me)57+ M:36+ yr. 4 D-Days: Jun-Nov 06 E/PA~OW#2 (OW#1 2000)
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Is a one time cheater really so? I mean the one time could be the time he/she got cought. Nevertheless, for a serial cheater: unless he is committed and realizes what he is doing there is very little hope. It seems from what I read that even people who R the M with a CS are still quite unsure and nervous for a relapse. I strongly believe that an epiphany is needed to change a CS, deep loss or something equivalent that brings a huge dose of pain to the CS. Pain experienced by others does not effect a CS. So only when something huge hits them...only then they will change. Once can take extraordinary precautions, but it seems to me that the BS always walks on eggshells even when EP are taken. It seems like too much energy is wasted and too much effort is required when it would be a lot easier for the BS to invest that energy on personal R and kids. blessing
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