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There are fakirs who have successfully managed to handle poisonous snakes, too. Smart people know not to take the risks. I used to smoke 4 packs of cigarettes a day. I quit 12 years ago and have had NO health problems. [even my skin does not look like I smoked] Does that mean its smart to tell people to smoke? Speaking of porn, there was another email to the radio show today about a crippled marriage due to porn. It comes up every week. Sometimes several times.
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Speaking of porn, there was another email to the radio show today about a crippled marriage due to porn. It comes up every week. Sometimes several times. It's not due to porn. It's because of a person who can't handle porn.
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Speaking of porn, there was another email to the radio show today about a crippled marriage due to porn. It comes up every week. Sometimes several times. It's not due to porn. It's because of a person who can't handle porn. Dr. Harley disagrees with you. But that's ok. 
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Speaking of porn, there was another email to the radio show today about a crippled marriage due to porn. It comes up every week. Sometimes several times. It's not due to porn. It's because of a person who can't handle porn. Dr. Harley disagrees with you. But that's ok. I wonder if Dr. Harley blames guns for murder, rather than the people pulling the trigger?
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Speaking of porn, there was another email to the radio show today about a crippled marriage due to porn. It comes up every week. Sometimes several times. It's not due to porn. It's because of a person who can't handle porn. Dr. Harley disagrees with you. But that's ok. I wonder if Dr. Harley blames guns for murder, rather than the people pulling the trigger? But that misses the point. I agree with your point to a small degree that it depends on what the person does with that, but that does not take into the account the contrast effect. That effect doesn't exist in your analogy with guns which negates your analogy. Porn is harmful to marriages, period. If you want to know why it is harmful, the Harleys explain it in these radio clips [these are just 2 among hundreds about how bad porn is] Part 1 Part 2
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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I can only be "genteel" for so long.
Let's make this REAL easy K71:
Most women despise the fact that men spend time looking at (to say nothing of satisfying perverse needs for sexual release by employing) pornographic images, re-creations, and depictions.
Now given your history, how remarkably obtuse DOES one have to be to continue a practice which reduces the odds of attracting, and forming a union with, a large sector of the available mates out there? Or, having formed such a union, puts it at risk of damage by continuing such activities?
Personally, my goal each day is not to do anything which would incent my bride to think (or say), "My husband is a slimeball, and cares not about my opinions enough to stop doing something I find disgusting!"
But maybe I'm overly sensitive....
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Personally, my goal each day is not to do anything which would incent my bride to think (or say), "My husband is a slimeball, and cares not about my opinions enough to stop doing something I find disgusting!" Agree 100%. Having a husband who slobbers over porn while slapping the salami in front of a computer is about as disgusting as it gets. It reminds me of some pimply face slobbering perv who can't get a real woman so he has to resort to being a creep. It is creepy and revolting. BLECH! 
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It reminds me of some pimply face slobbering perv...![[Linked Image from smilearchive.com]](http://smilearchive.com/s/otn/angels/angel.gif) NG, sounds like you as a 15-year-old!
![[Linked Image from smilearchive.com]](http://smilearchive.com/s/contrib/ruinkai/flame.gif) Quiet, blondie, she's just guessing! And he wasn't that pimply...
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"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Speaking of porn, there was another email to the radio show today about a crippled marriage due to porn. It comes up every week. Sometimes several times. It's not due to porn. It's because of a person who can't handle porn. Dr. Harley disagrees with you. But that's ok. I wonder if Dr. Harley blames guns for murder, rather than the people pulling the trigger? The giant, gaping hole in your asinine argument is that nobody here is suggesting banning porn or implementing "porn control" The onus is on the individual to NOT view it.
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The giant, gaping hole in your asinine argument is that nobody here is suggesting banning porn or implementing "porn control"
The onus is on the individual to NOT view it. Hehehehe...he said 'onus'! ![[Linked Image from zsport.org]](http://www.zsport.org/forum/images/smilies/beavisnbutthead.gif)
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But maybe I'm overly sensitive.... Now, coming from you that is just  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hehehehe...he said 'onus'! ![[Linked Image from i39.photobucket.com]](http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e193/jwondering/th_doglaughing.gif)
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Nice ... i see some new smilies popping up ..
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I wonder if Dr. Harley blames guns for murder, rather than the people pulling the trigger? Your logic is flawed. "What cripples marriages? Porn or the person using porn?" Cannot be compared to the question "What kills people? Guns or the person pulling the trigger?" You must assume that porn is morally neutral, the same way the gun is morally neutral. It is not. The camera would be the morally neutral item in the porn industry -- it's really the only thing you can compare to the gun. "What ruins marriages? The camera or the porn the camera shot?" is the equivalent argument to the gun analogy. Insisting that porn doesn't cripple a marriage, but rather it's the person who can't handle porn that cripples the marriage is a very poor argument. And it can be used to justify just about anything. "What cripples marriages? Porn or the person using porn?" "What cripples marriages? Abuse or the person who is abusing?" "What cripples lives? Rape or the person who rapes?"
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Hehehehe...he said 'onus'! :::snort::: ![[Linked Image from pic4ever.com]](http://www.pic4ever.com/images/gigglesmile.gif)
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Maritalbliss, that's classic. The "onus" comments made me want to laugh like the one on the left. Huh huh...huhhuhhuh.
I'm big on personal responsibility for one's actions. That's why I never have believed in a "fog" for a WS, but that's for another topic.
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I'm big on personal responsibility for one's actions. That's why I never have believed in a "fog" for a WS, but that's for another topic. Huh huh...huhhuhhuh, he said "BUT," Beevis!
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Porn is harmful to marriages, period. Agree... But it's not just porn. Men are bombarded with sexual images everywhere and I think it has a harmful effect on society. There is a christian book called "Every Man's Battle" I haven't read it. But from what I've heard it addresses this bombardment, the effects on marriage and how men can win the war of sexual temptation. Has anyone read it? Here's a link to Amazon. Every Man's Battle
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Porn is harmful to marriages, period. Agree... But it's not just porn. Men are bombarded with sexual images everywhere and I think it has a harmful effect on society. There is a christian book called "Every Man's Battle" I haven't read it. But from what I've heard it addresses this bombardment, the effects on marriage and how men can win the war of sexual temptation. Has anyone read it? Here's a link to Amazon. Every Man's BattleI have gone through the teen edition with my boys a number of years ago. I remember it having good stuff, but van't remember details of it!
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