I can see that you kind of wonder about the "Help" you are getting. <p>Remember, we offer different kinds of help depending on our background. Some offer sympathy, some empathy. Some hard advice. <p>Remember that one of the valuable parts of this advice is the very thing that hurts, sometimes others disagree with us. Sometimes they give hard advice that may be good for us. <p>When I was a small boy, I hated the doctor that gave me shots. Now I say "thank you." I hate the pain, but I love my healthy life. <p>Please don't "shoot the messenger" - so to speak. JL for instance, gives some pretty objective advice. Why did he say what he did to you? He has no BS, WS, prejudice to cloud his comments. ( I'm not saying anyone's advice is clouded, just trying to point out JL's neutrality. ) <p>Why did he say what he said? After all the reading and posting he has done, Why? <p>Please re-read and think over what you have gotten. We love you and want to help. We really do. Everyone that posted wants to help. <p>My mantra lately has been " You can't change spouse, you can only change you, and hope Spouse responds favorably." <p>I agree that your H should do better, he should LB less, he should help more. I think that some of the others were trying to point out that he has his own demons to deal with and that he may have reached the end of his rope. HOWEVER, I also think they were trying to point out that you, all by your self (at this point) may still be able to save things if you jump on it right away and follow their advice. <p>I agree with them, I think you can still save it, if you are able to do what has been recommended and : <p>1. Stop contact ( just hang up without speaking if he calls. ) <p>2. Start a good plan A yourself. <p>Hope it works. Really think it can. <p>SS

SS:<p>"Please re-read and think over what you have gotten. We love you and want to help. We really do. Everyone that posted wants to help. "<p>This is absolutely, first and foremost, what we are here for!<p>warmest regards to the Funk family.

INAFUNK<p>Oh boy. Everything that I could possibly say has been covered by 2long, Just Learning and Zoreb. It amazes me sometimes how the WS comes screaming for understanding and forgiveness and expects their BS to be "mature" about the whole mess and help fix it. Well, hate to say it, but this was the risk YOU took on when you engaged in the affair. Any fallout that comes from it is your fault. If your H doesn't want to stay and fix it than that's just too bad. I am sure that many BS's "see the light" and make changes personally to improve themselves but sometimes that is not enough for the BS. Sometimes the BS decides that he/she can't handle an affair at all and isn't even interested in reconciliation. That's the risk you take when you have an affair! If your H isn't interested in working with you within the MB principles then that's his prerogative! Don't even start to stand in judgment of his attitude or actions in response to your A, especially since you are not even clear of the A yet! Concentrate on yourself. End the A, TOTALLY. Work on your withdrawal symptoms from the A. Work on improving yourself for your own sake, not just to save the M. You have to show some real change to your H if you have any ghost of a chance of reconciliation. I haven't followed this story from day one here, but I gather that your H suffered some tremendous blows to his ego and his heart. I see you have no kids. That's good. I'm glad your H (or STBXH) won't be burdened further with Ch.Supp. for years to come. <p>You may regret what you have done (do you? Or are you more pissed off at the OM for disappointing you?) and you may want to the save the M, but not all M's are salvageable. It takes both partners to work on it actively to mend and heal the M. I am guessing here, but I bet if you suddenly change your attitude about H's pursuit of the DV and act matter-of-factly about it and calmly discuss the OM when he asks you questions, you might see a change in H's attitude towards you and the M. Part of his punishment against you for the A is that you are desperately trying to plead for reconciliation and you get angry at his actions. If you acted more detached it might take some of that away. Remember, he can't "push your buttons" if you remove them. I don't know how the others here feel about that advice, but it may be another approach to your situation that may help. Even if he pushes forward with the DV, continue sticking to your game plan for recovery. I've seen stories here where couples actually remarry after being DV 1-2 years or longer. Sorry for any harsh words here, I am trying to keep my own issues with my WS in check as I write this, but it is so difficult sometimes. I have found that I have less and less sympathy for WS's since my W had her 2 PA's last year, so forgive my scolding. Good luck to you.<p>[ May 22, 2002: Message edited by: Blind Sided ]</p>

Trying to reach out for help so I WONT DO THIS. Isn't that obvious?<p>No, I didn't get that part. Your post was about what you assume your H is doing, and how awful it is making you feel, and about how he has taken steps to end the marriage and you have continued to contact OM. In fact your question at the end of your post was how do you get better if he is throwing continued OM contact in your face and having affairs. You specifically said it wasn't about the OM anymore. So how could anyone infer that you wanted help with OM issues if you said it had nothing to do with him? If you are reaching out for help on how to not do "THIS" then title a post "Need help with If you need ideas on staying away I'll be glad to try and help. First, caller ID at home. If his # comes up, don't answer. If you feel like calling him, take a minute before you do and get a piece of paper. On one side write "Call" on the other "No Call".<p>Write down the reasons you want to call, and what you expect to gain from the conversation. On the no call side write down the names of other people you could call with your problem/thought/news whatever. Then write down how you think your call will effect your H, and your M.<p> I'm having a hard time with trying not to call when H is LBing.<p>Try and keep the actions seperate. The tit for tat gets you nowhere fast. Excuses are lame. If you weren't calling OM because H was LBing, I imagine that there would be some other reason for you to justify contact. If you can make an example for your H of how even though he gave you pain with the LB you will not return the pain it might be easier for him to see your efforts, and regain some trust that is assuming he wants to continue working on the M at all. If you have contact with OM when H is LBing maybe you can find a more appropriate outlet. A close girlfriend, your mom, sister, MB, there has to be another way for you to get support or place to express your feelings other than OM. <p>And I never said his A was more wrong than mine.<p>By writing this:
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>I feel at least I didn’t plan this…I didn’t go looking for an A, but he’s doing it simply to get his rocks off. He’s now had an affair. He’s no better than me. <hr></blockquote><p>I felt as if you were saying that you had somewhat of a better reason than he did. And really, you don't even know what he did or didn't do yet do you? So maybe you didn't say that his was worse, but you implied that your reasoning was "better" perhaps? <p>What kills me is that he did this after being educated by the MB guidelines.<p>What did he do? Go out and blow off some steam and chat up a few girls after filing for divorce? I don't know your H, but I can imagine that it tears out another piece of his heart every time you have contact with OM. I think it is kind of selfish of you to expect him to follow MB guidelines and Plan A you when you cannot get the no contact thing down yet. Hey, it would be totally cool if he could plan A the heck out of you, you would get tons of love and attention from him, he would not bring up the OM stuff if that is a LB, but I imagine that you might continue to struggle with the no contact thing. I'd love to have one guy loving the heck out of me and kissing my butt, and another one to turn to for the EN's that he hasn't learned to meet yet. But that is a masturbatory fantisy, it is not the way real life works. A dog will love you unconditionally for a really long time, even if you wake up every morning and give it a good swift kick. But eventually the dog is going to say WTF? and bite you. Reality.<p>Now he's just preaching to the choir.<p>Preaching to the choir is when one stands in front of the AP Calc class and says 2+2=4. What is it that he is telling you that you already know? I don't understand what your point is. He is not following MB guidelines, his choice, but is he telling you that you should? I think in filing for divorce he has given you a very clear message. <p>And about my "shrink", she's awesome. I've been to her once <p>I will apologize on this one since I seem to have terribly offended you, I was under the impression that you have been continually getting care from one person. But going to a shrink once usually isn't enough time to judge if she is awesome or not. A good way to judge a shrink is if she/he makes you answer the tough questions, set goals and work hard towards meeting them, and holds you accountable for your actions. In therapy there are no excuses or back asswards support for actions that effect your life in a negative way. In continuing contact with OM you are effecting your life in a negative way. It has effected your marriage, your health, and it is obvious to both of us that this is something you need to stop. If your shrink thinks that continued contact with OM is healthy in any way, in my opinion she is not a good shrink.<p>In answering Lexxxy's post I was not attacking you. I get the feeling you think I was. When I said I wouldn't play anymore, I meant with her, not with you. You seem to get the dynamic of this board, so I am a bit confused at your reaction to the bits of wisdom/crap, whatever you want to think of it as, that people have taken the time to post to you. When you post on a forum on the internet where people who have been horribly betrayed are the vast majority you must expect that the responses you get will not be all hearts and flowers. You needed a reality check and were given one. I thought I was actually pretty cool with my response to you, I explained clearly that I was unfamiliar with your complete story, repeated what I gathered from your post and asked if I was correct (you never told me if I was), and gave you 4 small pieces of advice. It is common courtesy to thank people for the advice given here, even if you do not agree with it one iota. I think my advice was valid, and in keeping with MB principles. <p>You don't have to like me. It doesn't matter to me one bit. The thing I think you need to learn now though is that unless you lighten up a bit and start actually paying attention to people here and their stories and learning from them, people like me, who have for some insane reason decided to devote more than one hour of my life to you today, will stop answering your posts and realize that no matter what we say to you, you are only happy with advice and comments from other WSs and those who just hand out pity to you. <p>E

Inafunk,<p>You have gotten a lot of good advice here. I am a BS, so have my own perspective. My H is the WS and has his own perspective. He also posts here, so I will see if he will post to you.<p>Your feelings are valid -- so are your H's. You are both hurting terribly. When BSs come here at first, we are desperate to know what our WSs are thinking. You should try to consider what your H is thinking. He does not understand what you are going through anymore than you understand what he is going through. Reach out for him. Communicate with him. Let him know what you are feeling. Let him know that you are not in contact. He is seeking this information, but has probably been rebuffed in the past and is afraid of getting hurt again. Think about the pain you have caused him. When I first came here, I really started to examine our M and realized how my actions had caused my H enormous pain. By focusing on that, I was able to be more loving and patient with him.<p>Someone has to make the first move in this R or it will not last. Are you willing to do this? Are you willing to risk getting rebuffed? Are you willing to try again, even if you do? From what you write, I believe your H still loves you -- if he didn't it would be so much easier to walk (I know it would have been for me). I know that in most of the literature on the site it talks about the BS winning the WS back, but in your case, if you H is at the end of his rope, you might have to be the one to start the Plan A. Are you willing to do this for your M and for yourself? Plan A involves eliminating LBers and trying to meet your H's ENs. By doing this you will develop into a better, stronger person.<p>I know that what you are going through is hard. You are suffering. You are in pain. So is you H. So are all of the others on this site who are at the same stage you are. But, the BSs and WSs (there are some who are Plan Aing to win back their spouse after D-day -- look for their posts) are in this pain, going through this suffering and Plan Aing. You can do it. You can be that strong. Don't shut your H out. Don't withdraw from him.<p>Good luck with what you decide -- only you can decide what is best for you. The rest of us can only offer advice from our POV. <p>FHO

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>You don't have to like me. It doesn't matter to me one bit. <hr></blockquote><p>Elizabeth, we all care if others like us. <p>I had to laugh when I read that. And I can see your face when you read this. (and I don't even know you.) [img]images/icons/wink.gif" border="0[/img] <p>
I think you did a really good job of explaining things to her, even though you wonder if she will listen, and you wonder if your time was wasted.<p>It's really hard for us to let someone go down when we can see so plainly what they need to do, and they can't seem to see it. <p>I don't know why I am writing this, except maybe to make you (E) smile. Hope it works (you can smile now.) <p>inafunk, what do you think? Is this maiking any sense to you? Can you make it work?

Thanks SS, but really, in my real life I get worried that my favorite grocery store checker is mad at me if she doesn't chat me up, but here, totally different story. I've been bashed, smashed, and set on fire a few times here, so I've learned to keep this way seperate from real life. Now, when people here love me, and there are a few... I am thrilled.<p>There is nothing better than the feeling I get when I actually think I may have helped someone here. That makes every little icky thing I had to go through almost worth it.<p>I am smiling, and I do hope that our funky friend gets it together. <p>Divorce is not fun. I know all about it. Mine was final on Feb 11 this year.<p>E

LOL Mrs Funk, you thought MY ADVICE was strong??? Hee hee [img]images/icons/grin.gif" border="0[/img] <p>Please listen the most closely to that which is the hardest to read. If it makes you uncomfortable or angry or hurt...then there could be something to it. The person that helped me the most to "see the light" made me the maddest. I would go to bad arguing and grouching...only to settle down and realize I was only fighting myself. And myself was my biggest obstacle, not my H. <p>I read a really EXCELLENT paragraph in my Passionate Marriage book today (YES, I'm FINALLY getting it read!!!) and I'll try to post it here later.<p>I hope you take some time to really read through everything and have a good solid talk with yourself. The things that sound the "harshest" to you are not meant to be...they are just completely practical and obvious to those who can see the solutions more clearly than you can right now. Remember, we aren't blurred by tons of conflicting emotions right now...you are.<p>Take care of yourself...your H will do what he will do.

I did not mean to cause such an uproar! But I guess when you see 27 replies, is when you realize people really do want to help and care. [img]images/icons/smile.gif" border="0[/img] I'm glad I can come here and get my @$$ handed to me...I need the tough love.<p>Lexxxy, thank you for the email...I sent one backatcha.<p>And to anyone who thinks a few days of no contact is no big deal, WELL THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SPEAK OF. And to me, that's alot. Try taking one of YOUR addicitons away for 4 days and see how you like it. None too much I'll bet. I can't fast forward in time to make that amount of days a larger number for you all...I wish I could. Because by then, maybe my life will have improved in some shape or form. All I can do is take it day by day and pat myself on the back when I've made it thru another day without contact.<p>JTW...no hard feelings. Like I said, it only shows you care when you put so much effort into a thread. I know you mean well, even if you come off as a meanie. I never said I wanted you all to sugar-coat anything. I appreciate the candor.<p>Things at home weren't so bad tonight. H started up with the questions again, and I tried to diffuse it but no luck. Yelling did turn into laughter though, because it's all so completely ridiculous. We ended up hugging and H discussed that he'd continue on his path and I on mine. If he sees improvement, then he may "turn the boat around". One day at a time I guess. <p>IAF

inafunk,
I am the WS of FormerHopelessOne. We are in a great recovery and maybe I can give you some advice/hope. So here it goes.

Answer all your H's questions.
Try looking at it like this, once he knows the answers he won't have to ask them anymore. Answer them truthfully. No matter how painful the truth is. If you lie you WILL get caught somewhere down the road. Being caught in a lie is not worth it. All it does it make your recovery start over (only if your lucky). When you answer his questions be calm and collected. Never LB$ don't get mad that gets you nowhere. If things get to hard for me to handle I let my W know that, then tell her I need some time to calm down. Promise to come back to this issue and ALWAYS go back to finish what was started.<p>Never talk to the OM!
Right now I know it's hard when your feeling the way you do. It is an ADDICTION. Like you said take it one day at a time. Listen to what your thinking when you want to call the OM. Then ask yourself what is making you want this or what is making you think of him at all. Once you figure what makes you think of the OM you can learn to stop it before it even happens. You mentioned when your husband LB$ you it makes you want to call OM, Think about it, of course it does, expect to feel that way and deal with it until it passes. Think about the good times you had with your H and how you can work on having more of them. You will be surprised how easy it gets over time.<p>Guilt Sucks!
I hate the feeling of knowing how I hurt my W so bad. My mind blurs and my heart races. It used to make me so mad I would do anything to justify my A just to make ME feel better. It a natural reaction. You can justify anything in your mind but it doesn't make it right. It might make you feel better for a little bit but it's not going to save your marriage. Accept it and share your feelings of guilt with your S. YOU have to take responsibility for what you have done. You will be surprised how it helps you both to heal.<p>EN's
This one rocks. I must admit doing this for each other has brought our M back from the grave. In meeting each others EN we have learned to love one another more then ever before. The more my needs are met the more I want to meet my W's needs. This works both ways.<p>You can't control your H's recovery.
Accept it now. All you can do is help it along. You can slow it down or even stop it. Watch him and learn what helps and what hurts his recovery. If he needs to listen to all you phone calls, let him. Give him access to your email and anything else like it. You are here so I think it means you want your marriage to work. The only way that is ever going to happen is you have nothing to hide. I bet your husband can think things up in his head that make him feel even worse about what you did. When he starts to suspect your up to something he can check up on you. If you have been on the up and up it will help him heal even faster.<p>These are just some of the things that helped my W and I threw the roughest times in our lives. Granted we have a long way to go but we are having more good days then bad. Our good days are awesome and our bad days can really suck. But we are together and I am happy to be M. Never forget you need to be happy too. Working on your marriage also means working on you. Don't put your self in a position where your neglecting yourself. Even if your S forgives you it's not going to work until you forgive yourself. This helps YOU to heal.

JusttheWife, etc.<p>My post was not aimed at you. It was more to IAF's husband. I think he's got something to work with here -- if he would just go with the principals. <p>D-day for them was less than 2 months ago, and he's thrown in the towel and filed for divorce. I know that not all BS's can deal with Plan A, but I think that if he were willing to accept his role in their problems and commit to working on himself rather than focus on OM and have continual emotional outbursts, then maybe they could put this back together.<p>I think its unrealistic to put the pressure of restoring this marriage on a WS who is still involved with OM. I don't see it happening. The BS needs to carry the weight -- not fair -- but reality.<p>I think all of the advice given to IAF is valid and in keeping with MB's, but I think its very unlikely that an unrepentant, uncommitted WS can put this back together without a participating BS.

So where is Mr. Funk in all this anyway?<p>I had forgotten how recently D-day was for him. Lexxy is right in that he has a lot of learning to do before his plan A is polished.<p>Boy, if only my W were on the page inafunk is now regarding coming back to work on the M 2 months after D-day, I'd be happier than a pig in $hit by now. Problem for her is, her A was mostly an EA, and she still doesn't seem to think it's serious to keep that part of her life from me in the long term... But maybe that's because she isn't letting me see the email that's supposed to be so harmless anymore.

The BS needs to carry the weight -- not fair -- but reality.<p>Nah, don't agree with you on that one. The WS has tons of work to do too.<p>The thing is, you are assuming that this specific BS wants the M. There comes a time when some of us throw in the towel. Way too much damage to fix. Why should anyone expect the funk BS to do $hit. He filed. He seems to be trying to get out there in the world a bit and see what's going on. Maybe he quit. Maybe he is done. Put a fork in him. <p>Maybe he is waiting to see the funk WS take one huge step (NC) before he decides he wants to give things a shot.<p>I don't know. <p>But you cannot put the brunt of saving a marriage with a continuing affair on the faithful partner. It won't work.<p>I do know.<p>E

Sorry to crosstalk your thread inafunk.<p>2long, just an observation: inafunk is coming around because Mr. Funk is no longer willing to work on the marriage. That is usually the huge eyeopener. Although it is not a game, you have to really, in your mind, be willing to lose the WS if you go this route.

E:<p>I agree with you 100%. I love the livin' $hit out of my W (ew!), but I can't be expected to shoulder 99.999% of the responsibility for rebuilding our M on my own indefinitely.<p>In the Funk Family Fituation (because I couldn't find another word that started with "F"), I think Mr. Funk went to D before he was even ready for B. It's neat that Ms. Funk is interested in rebuilding at this stage.<p>Where is Mr. Funk?

Folks, don't beat me up too much for the following. I believe what I am saying here. MB saved my marriage. We now live by its principles every day of our lives. I also believe that the MB concepts of Plan A are often misinterpreted to mean that the BS should be a doormat for months and months, perhaps years. It will not work in most cases. IMHO the longer one Plan A's, the less likely it is to work. Why? Because it becomes a lifestyle in which the Plan A'er (BS or WS) is a door mate and the other spouse thinks it is just hunky dory.<p>
Lexxy, <p>You are kidding right? Certainly you do not think that a BS is OBLIGATED to give the WS a chance. We see a lot of BS's here bend over backwards for months to recover their marriages. But not all people can and/or will do it. It is my observation over the last year that most of the longer Plan A's do not work. <p>If my H had continued contact for ONE DAY after I discovered his affairs I would not have stayed in this marriage. When I discovered his affairs I considered our marriage to be over. He Plan A'd me. Though the MB literature talks about the BS doing the Plan A, a WS who values their marriage often ends up Plan A'ing the BS. <p>Why? Because many people believe that infidelity is the worst thing one spouse can do to the other. Infidelity has caused me the most emotional pain I have ever felt in my life. If you want to understand the depth of that pain, even the still birth of my twin daughters did not come near the acute pain my H's infidelity caused, and still causes me.<p>Many people, such as Dr. Dodson in "Love Must be Tough", say that infidelity is so disrespectful that the BS should simply end the marriage. I tend to agree with this. If a BS decides, out of love and kindness to give the WS a chance to re-enter the marriage it is a GIFT. What is this attitude that the WS can demand it? What is this attitude that the WS can stomp all over the BS with continued contact and mooning over the OP like a sick puppy and the BS is supposed to put up with it?<p>Reality is harsh. Some spouses have affairs and don't give a rat's @ss about their spouse's feelings and the vows they made. And some spouses have a very low tolerance for their spouse's infidelity.<p>Using the word 'addiction' in reference to an affair is a very loose use of the term. An affair is a purposeful bad choice and purposeful bad behavior. The way to stop an affair is to simply stop it. Generally, in real addictions, the addicted person will die, or at least become violently physically ill, from cold turkey withdrawal as the body chemistry is screwed up. I hardly think any WS is going to die if they choose to give up their affair.<p>Plan A is meant to be done for a short time. Few BS's Plan A for more then a couple of weeks, as it's purpose is to negotiate no contact and marital recovery. Two months is actually a LONG Plan A. Two months is a long time to live through the hell Mr. Funk has been living through. He is supposed to have sympathy for her withdrawal from an ‘addiction’ to another man? And she is not supposed to have any sympathy for his pain? That's hogwash. Plan A’s purpose is not to enter into a life style that goes on for months in which the WS gets to mistreat the BS.<p>You know what? If Mrs. Funk does not have it in her to give up her affair and save her marriage and Mr. Funk has given up in her then the marriage is simply doomed.<p>RE: D-day for them was less than 2 months ago, and he's thrown in the towel and filed for divorce. I know that not all BS's can deal with Plan A, but I think that if he were willing to accept his role in their problems and commit to working on himself rather than focus on OM and have continual emotional outbursts, then maybe they could put this back together.<p>Mr. Funk has no responsibility whatsoever for his wife's affair, her choice to lie, etc. Those are her purposeful choices. Sure he has some responsibility for the state of the marriage, but Mrs. Funk made a choice to have an affair instead of work on her marriage. He holds no responsibility for this. She has now dropped a nuclear bomb on their marriage.<p>WS's often misinterpret MB concepts to mean that they are entitled to being treated with kid gloves. Instead, in its proper implementation, MB is tough love concept? The WS MUST end contact and agree to marital recovery immediately or the marriage is over. In Surviving an Affair, Dr. Harley says that the WS is in no position to bargain over no contact or anything else.<p>I've followed their story on and off. I do not blame him one iota for filing for divorce. I'd have done the same under the same circumstances.<p>As for him focusing on OM, my interpretation is that he is trying to get his wife to discuss the affair. It is part of the healing process. But she refuses to. He's going nuts and is perhaps acting out some. But that's not unusual. He could probably do a better Plan A of longer, but he chooses not to.<p>RE: I think it's very unlikely that an unrepentant, uncommitted WS can put this back together without a participating BS.<p>I think you are right. In this case the WS, Mrs. Funk, does not care enough about the marriage to give up the OM and her affair and commit to marital recovery. But the reality is that the BS has also given up on the marriage. He has stated very clearly what he needs from his wife. She will not give it to him. So he is moving on. If she wants him back, she is going to have to Plan A him right now and win him back. More then likely, this is her only window of opportunity to save her marriage. And with that, the window may already be closed. She may have already used up all of her ‘get out of jail free’ cards.<p>RE: I think he's got something to work with here -- if he would just go with the principals.<p>At this point I don't see that he has anything to work with. Mrs. Funk is still in an affair and not willing to give it up. The fact is that he has given up on the marriage. He does not owe it to his wife to Plan A her until she decides that she wants to get with the program. It is very likely that he has fallen out of love with her. That is a risk that every WS takes when they go down the road of infidelity.<p>[ May 23, 2002: Message edited by: zorweb ]</p>

2Long,
Just to clarify: I am not suggesting you go have your own A. I do believe Plan B gets them to turn around quicker. IMHO I was in Plan A my whole marriage so I never officially went into it. My part of the responsibility was that I allowed it to continue as long as it did by NOT confronting the issue.

Nice points Z

Z, Iluv:<p>Yes, good points. I'm cogitating on zorweb's post as it pertains to my situation and will get back to you. I'll try to keep it relevant to the Funk Family Fituation as much as possible, though, or take it to a new thread.<p>Disturbed a bit, but also recognize that it's when we feel the points are made to US personally, that's when we learn the most.<p>thanques!

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 2long:
<strong>Z the Funk Family Fituation <p>
thanques!</strong><hr></blockquote><p>2Long, HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA! thanks for the great laugh. And Zorweb, thanks for your common sense approach to the Funk Family Fituation. [img]images/icons/grin.gif" border="0[/img]