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#1020674 08/13/02 11:17 AM
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Bump!! Need to hear more....

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Danni,

I think you have heard some very truthful things. I found it interesting that you didn't really respect the idea that men had needs. Yet, if you looked closely at each of the needs here they all have a correlation with womens needs. Perhaps the only one that may not is SF, because of the chemically driven sex drive that men have. Even there some women have a similar need.

But, women want to be listened to.
Women want affection.
They want communication.
They want to feel safe.
They want to be taken care of.

The list goes on.

Look at the list of us guys here. Is it really different? Men have egos. Women have feelings. Both can easily be hurt. Are they really different? Only in one fundamental aspect, men often define themselves by their effect on the outside world. Women often define themselves by their relationships. But, really both are just as fragile.

Just realize that your H is fragile and that while he may be raised and trained to hide pain and feelings he has them just as you do. What defines him? His work, his sense of influence, and how well he takes care of his family. If you look at it you stating something positive to him about how he does something, reaffirms that he is doing something right in your book, and that is the most important book in his world.

I have been married 26 years, and I came her because I felt my W didn't love me anymore. My job was done. The kids college education was covered financially. W would be well off financially if I left, and since I got little or no feedback from her on anything, it seemed time to leave. Had I run into a woman at that point, I wonder if I would have had the strength not to file for Dv and have an affair. Instead I ran into this board and it changed me.

Sex is important, but being appreciated by those close to you is much more so. I think you will find that most men eventually focus on their work and career precisely because that is the ONLY place anyone ever thanks them or tells them they are appreciated. I know in my case that is true.

Now go read the posts by women WS's here and tell me the difference. You will see very little. Most felt H didn't appreciate them, care for them, or desire them (of course the need for sex is NOT considered desire in many woman <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" /> , a serious blunder on a woman's part to downgrade the importance of that). But, for the most part the response is the same.

So Danni, my advice to you is to look inward when you wonder about your H. He may like his needs met differently from you, but you can bet if you have a need there is a similar one within him. Men and women are different, but we are not THAT different.

A thousand dollar bracelet may show my W that I appreciate her, but a simple thank you for working so long to support the family would be worth far more to me. Yup, men are simple folks really. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Must go. Interesting thread.

God Bless,

JL

#1020676 08/13/02 02:12 PM
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Gotta go with a everything that Willy said. Also the Hero thing really ranks up there. I remember a quote I heard (can't remember who said it) a while back that really hit home:

Most men lead lives of quiet desperation.

I don't think there's anyone that has more influence day to day on how a man feels about himself and his accomplishments than a loving wife. Every man longs to be the hero to his wife and children.

Maybe selfish, but, I want to be the most important person in my wife's life. Even above the children. I know it is instinctful for a womand to put a lot of importance on her children, but I think a lot of women put so much importance on the children that their husband becomes an "also ran".

When it comes to SF, yeah, some OW may be able to do some things also, but when it's the woman you have known and loved for so long, I don't see how any OW could come close to fitting the bill. ANY, and I repeat ANY time that my wife initiates SI it is the biggest ego boost in the world. I think that if women knew how much importance a man places on this they would use it to their advantage more. I think that a woman who uses her gifts to please her man (sorry if this sounds too simplistic) can and will have so much influence over the attitude, confidence level, and demeanor of her husband, that they will more than likely live a much happier and fruitful life. Granted her EN's need to be filled also, but I think that this would come more readily from a man who was happy in the SF dept.

A good piece of advice I heard long ago says; Become the person you would like your spouse to be, if they don't become more like that then you become big enough to accept them for who and where they are.

Hope this all helps.

God Bless

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Danni C:
<strong>... if your M was to be affair proof, what would your W provide you with? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Here is the list I would give my wife:
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  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Sexual fulfillment - I DO NOT mean duty sex. What I need is passionate sex where I know you want and desire me. I also need to be allowed to give you as much pleasure as I can. When we make love and we are BOTH satisfied that is when I FEEL the most loved. Please initiate sex often. Please don’t make it be my idea all of the time. Please wear something sexy or nothing at all to bed once in awhile. I need you to WANT to make love with me. I need you to allow us to try new ways of making love such as oral and sexual massages. Different places would also be great. How about a ride up the canyon?</font></li>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Affection - I need big wet kisses. I need hugs. I need to be touched when you are talking to me. I need you to hold my hand. I need a little love note once in awhile.</font></li>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">An attractive spouse - I am sorry but this is something that really bothers me. How can I say this without being blunt. You really need to get some exercise eat better and lose a lot of weight. You also need to work on you makeup and choice of clothes.</font></li>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Domestic support - When the house is well taken care of then I feel like I am important to you.</font></li>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Admiration - I have learned over the last few years that I really do need a lot of praise and admiration. Please don’t think this need is trivial as you seem to think.</font></li>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Recreational companionship - I would love to have you join me in my recreation activities. When you can’t please don’t give me a bad time about taking time to do what I enjoy.</font></li>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I need to feel like you are very much in love with me and want to meet my needs.
If my wife did this things I would feel very loved and my marriage would be affair proof. I would also do everything in my power to meet her needs. To be completely honest my wife doesn’t meet any of these needs very well. I have tried to help her understand that I need these things to feel loved. She thinks I am trying to change her. She has the belief that we should love each other unconditionally. It doesn’t work!

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Want love...well done. dittos to all.

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Want Love and others,

Thank you, thank you, and thank you! I have posted quite a few times since coming to MB and this is the most helpful, profound and enriching advice I have ever recieved! Want Love's reply was so direct (especially the part about physical attractiveness), and that's what women like myself really need to understand men and meet their needs. I think my problem has always been finding ways to meet ALL his ENs.

When we first married I focused most of my attention on physical attractiveness and SF. As time went on the fact that I wasn't meeting the needs of domestic support, admiration and affection became such an issue that like many young wives, I threw myself into keeping our home, taking care of the children, and trying to let him know how appreciated he was in those ways. I'm sure many of you wives and mothers reading this understand how hard it is to "DO IT ALL". Anyway, slowly but surely the ENs of physical attractiveness, SF, and admiration (appreciated as he was and still is) were not being met at all.

I'm very remorseful about that because I realize now that it caused my H to feel unloved,unwanted and probably even angry. This thread has made me much more aware. I even find it endearing that men (mine specifically) have such incredibly sensitive needs. I just wish I could have been told about them before he decided to give up and have an A. I could have given him those things without us both having to suffer.

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BTW, ladies... cajunky started a great thread entitled What do Woman Want... please post your replies!

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Hope4future,

You left out the chicken wings….

The key to a man’s heart was to show up naked with beer and chicken wings!

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