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"Because I want to be happy."
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Care to elaborate a little?
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Not really.
If one wants to be happy, then it's okay?
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Does "happiness" justify anything and everything? What if I am a serial killer and it makes me "happy" to kill people? Or do I pursue an extramaritial relationship in the pursuit of happiness and destroy my kids and spouse in the process? Will the pursuit of my happiness supercede any and all committments and everyone else's "happiness?" Is their happiness even relevent to me or is it sacrificial? I know its cute and politically correct to seek "happiness" at all costs, but I have wondered about the logic behind that premise, asking those questions I asked above. For me, the highest virtue is not seeking happiness, but seeking to BE GOOD. I have found that happiness comes as a result of living right.As a parent, I have never said "I just want my son to be happy." I have said "I just want my son to be good.Please excuse the diarrea of the mouth there, Chris. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
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P.S. I don't think its right to date someone other than your spouse under the guise of "happiness." An affair is an affair.
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Chris:
You are not being serious are you? Not you! Not Chris!!
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It is "Okay" to date someone other than your spouse if marriage vows are not important to you.
But, you can't have it both ways, and later on say "Now, in this marriage dating others is NOT OK."
Respect for vows vs "feeling good" .... isn't that how affairs start?????
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I wonder if our short on words fellow member's thread was inspired by Kuljey's latest thread?
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You are not being serious are you? Not you! Not Chris!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Of course not. I just gnash my teeth reading the replies that it IS okay. I still stand where I ALWAYS have. As long as you are married, it is NOT okay to date others. I wonder if our short on words fellow member's thread was inspired by Kuljey's latest thread?
Amongst previous, other threads. <small>[ July 02, 2003, 02:39 PM: Message edited by: Chris -CA123 ]</small>
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I just gnash my teeth reading the replies that it IS okay.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'll bet your dentist wishes he could clone you. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />
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Does "happiness" justify anything and everything? What if I am a serial killer and it makes me "happy" to kill people?
What if the serial killer has already been caught, sentenced and is doing time? Can't they go on about their business (killing people)?
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TMCM .... I'd rather be in a Turkish Prison than to be in Chris' shoes right now <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
I'm pulling up my lawn chair, have an ice tea in hand, ready to watch MB fireworks!
Play nice kids.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">What if the serial killer has already been caught, sentenced and is doing time? Can't they go on about their business (killing people)?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well that's certainly one way to cull the prison population, isn't it?
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In the Dalai Lama's book Ethics for a New Millennium, he says, in a nutshell, that everyone seeks happiness. True happiness is found in helping others, considering others' happiness as well as our own. Pure human desire brings fleeting happiness at best and will eventually bring an emptiness. Only ethical behavior will bring true happiness.
Affairs do not bring true happiness b/c they are based on pure desire, do not consider others' happiness (especially the spouse and family), and are not ethical.
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"Only ethical behavior will bring true happiness."Think I'll have this tattoed on my [censored] .... or, better yet, on my 17-year-old's [censored]! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Lablady .... who can argue with the Dalai Lama? Not me. >sip from tea< Pep <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />
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Me? Get worked up over this? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> I'm just here to "guide" the discussion. It's MARRIAGE BUILDERS, not DO WHAT YOU WANT AS LONG AS IT "FEELS" GOOD BUILDERS!!!!
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Well, If I was in divorce preceedings, my husband was *living* with the ow, then, I don't see how it is that wrong.
Even the bible says that in the case of infidelity, you are no longer tied to your spouse. You under God may seek out a new husband/wife and not be joined to the adulterous one.
Kuljeys husband has left her. He told her to give up hope. The man she is only friend's with at this point, is divorced his wife had two affairs.
I don't think this is the same as dating while you and your spouse are residing together. Give Kuljey a break, why must she suffer endlessly for what her husband did.
You make it sounds as if she is cheating on him and he is actually still in the picture. He has another woman, they are divorcing. They are not reconciling, she is not lying and sneaking around on him.
Quite a stretch from how your question made it sound
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Chris -CA123: <strong>[b] What if the serial killer has already been caught, sentenced and is doing time? Can't they go on about their business (killing people)?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Now wait a minute, Chris. It would be wrong to stop the serial killer. After all, the Constitution ensures us the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." I have tried and tried to express this to my husband to no avail. I told him that I have a "constitutional right" to shop til I drop and run up his credit card bills. He is slow to comprehend sometimes, though, and interferes with my "happiness." <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
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siituational ethics
will cost a person their integrity. Slippery slope all the way.
"Why must she suffer endlessly for what her husband did?"...... HUH? When is waiting to date suffering endlessly?
Are you joking?
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Quite a stretch from how your question made it sound
Not even a LITTLE teeny, weensy stretch. She is still married.
Even the bible says that in the case of infidelity, you are no longer tied to your spouse.
And you can get divorced. But it doesn't say you can date while still married.
You under God may seek out a new husband/wife and not be joined to the adulterous one.
But until a divorce is FINAL, one is STILL joined to the adulterous one.
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