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Tak - you're missing my point. Normalcy is determined, not by a societal standard anymore, but by what an active minority can shame the majority into first tolerating then accepting then embracing. Tak - if you don't see this pattern, with abortion, with homosexuality, with vulgarity on television and movies, with violence, please take the blinders off. It's the same old argument, used against the social standards - accusations of intolerance, hatred, bigotry, etc. when those labels themselves are intolerant of a moral standard that some of us desperately want to uphold, because we've studied enough history to know where the current path leads...

60 years ago, homosexuality was repulsive, and even as late as 15 years ago was listed in the medical codes book as a diagnosible mental illness. Now it is embraced.

Yes, there are pockets of abuse and injustice. But I would say that anarchy is abuse and injustice as well.

Here's something else to think about - power, control - NAMBLA violates those tenants that we hold as a society. But think about the decay of moral standards that have thousands of years of history - in such a short period of time. We are on a slippery slope. There are arguments in court right now allowing CGI child porn as protected speech. There are arguments in court right now for men who married 13 year old girls and impregnated them before they were even 14 years old, who are using recent court rulings to get their convictions overturned...

If you can't see it, you're not looking.

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I started this thread to thank the people who have supported me here and to ask for support for marriages like mine. It's pretty clear that there are no minds being changed in this debate, and no really thoughtful new additions. Those who support me have let me know, and I appreciate their support more than I can say.

I've helped this thread devolve into the worst sort of yelling match, where words like "child pornography" and "pedophilia" and "Nazism" are used to support people's arguments.

No one changes their mind or even makes a decision when those kinds of issues come up. People become more rigid and inflexible in the views that they already held, no matter whether the subject is same-sex marriage, miscegenation, polygamy, or any other widely controversia topic.

So I will simply ask that everyone agree to walk away from the fight.

I think we can all agree on a few things; let's leave it at that:

- We all support healthy marriages.

- We all oppose the destructiveness that is caused by infidelity and other addictions.

- We all oppose child pornography, pedophilia, Nazism, oppression of native peoples, discrimination on the basis of male pattern baldness, and kicking the dog when you're mad.

Anyone want a cup of hot chocolate?

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Anyone want a cup of hot chocolate?

Only if you put in lots of miniature marshmallows, everyone knows they're the best part.

Dear J .... I love your warmth and your caring heart.

Thanks for the coco.

Pep

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