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Thanks so much for the advice Susan. I have applied at several other Investment Firms where I live and unfourtunately their are no openings right now. I took yesterday and today off. I am so much better when I'm away from the office. I know that's a major problem having to see him everyday, having to see the way he still flirts with other women, etc etc. God, I was so stupid Susan... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" />

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> God, I was so stupid Susan </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That, my dear, is a disrespectful judgement.

I beat myself up forever. Don't do that.

Instead make the changes you need to make and move on.

By the way..I quit my job without having another job in place. And we thought we had to have my income at the time.

My marriage and my sanity was far more important. Within a very short time, I had another job offer... without even looking for a job yet.

You cannot imagine the difference once you get away from the job and the OM.

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I wish that I could just quit. My salary is almost as much as my husband's. I've been in this business for 20 years, 17 of them at the office that I'm at currently. We truly live paycheck to paycheck right now with a daughter who will be starting college in the fall. I'm scared to death to just quit. Can you tell me a little bit about your situation with OM without bringing up too many painful memories?

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That's the wonderful part, Lisa, it's not painful anymore.

My son was also about to enter college at the time I quit my job. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Here's the link to Pepper's story and it contains mine as well.

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BTW, Hi Chris.

Jenny

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Susan..I have to give you a wow just as I did on your thread to Pepper. You have been through a lot too. Thanks so much for sharing your ordeal and your recovery. That is very encouraging to me at this point. I'm so glad that this doesn't cause you pain now because that gives me hope to know that this pain will not last forever!! Thanks again for sharing.

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Lisa,

I see that you all have let WAT into this thread, so what the heck I WILL say some sexist things. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> I am after all IMMORTAL (I think I spelled it right <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> ).

It seems to me as a guy, that you are NOT taking into a account "performance", "actions", "goals".

If you want to build self-esteem, then you need to consider these things (Yup, these are a males list <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> ) But I do think they are valid.

Since you started recovery how have you "performed" as a:

Wife?

a Mother?

an employee?

a friend?

a human being?

It seems to me you need to consider these things and focus on them. Improve them where you think you need improvement, ask your life partner (your H) for help or even opinions. Focus on this.

Next what 'actions' have you taken to redeem yourself and make yourself into the person you want to be. List them, talk with H about actions that will help him, help you. But, as a football coach once told me:

"Don't just stand there boy. Do something wrong, right once in your life."

The point, doing nothing accomplishes nothing. IF you worry about what people think, feel, ect., the you miss the opportunity to do the "right" things. Decide what is right and do it with enthusiasm.

The coach was telling me that the mistake of inaction was worse than any mistake of action. The action mistake can be corrected and turned into a plus. I am telling you the same thing.

Finally there are "goals". What are your goals Lisa? This is what you need to address.

Is one of them to regain your faith? Then do it. You do realize that if everyone was perfect there really would be no need for religion or churches. They are the houses of the sinner, albeit a sinner trying to be better.

If your goal is a better marriage focus on your H. Talk with your H, set goals with your H, work with your H.

If you goal is to be a better mother, then do that. Focus on your child/children, decide what a being a good mother means and then work on it.

It seems to me if you do these things, you will have a very successful and happy life, but have you noticed that the OM has NO ROLE in your life as I have laid it out for you. Hence his opinions have no merit. He may be ashamed, he may think you a "whore", he may think you the greatest thing since sliced bread, but whatever he thinks has no place in your plans, so it is of no moment.

I think this is a round about way of saying "closure" is a poor concept if it includes anyone but you. You need to close up wounds, you need to heal, and then you need to address "actions". That will be your "closure". Anything else is just fooling yourself.

So there you have it from a "sexist" "problem solving" male. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> Just follow my instructions and ALL will work out fine. You believe me don't you? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> Seriously, Lisa, it is time to get on with life, and you seem to actually have a pretty nice one to get on with, just go and make it better, and the opinions of those that count (your H, your children and your God) will all be very positive.

Actions girl, that is what I am talking about. Have a great weekend and...

God Bless,

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ok JL, when I added the "and men" part of this thread I had you in mind. What took you so long to get here. You and WAT are definetely the sassy men. I used to think that Ark was until I realized that he is a she (sorry Ark)!! Thanks for the advice as always. You have a way to stating things that are profound and deep but in a way that even I can understand. I think your plan is a good one. I hope you have a good weekend too!!

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Poor Ark, everyone thinks she is a he.

It comes up over and over again. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Lisa, sorry about my ramble before. Everyone has given you such good advice and I just go on about myself.

I know everyone is saying that he has no part of your life anymore but you have to see him all the time. As someone very like you, and I know I am, I would feel exactly as you do.

I really believe it is working with the [censored] that is causing you to feel the way you do. I know it's easier said than done to leave, especially when you've been there so long. Hey, maybe [censored] will leave - are there any chances of that?

Jenny

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Jenny...it is very unlikely that he will leave. Why should he, nothing bothers him there. He is a successful stock broker who has been there for about 3 years after transferring over from another brokerage firm. I don't see him going anywhere soon. Just keep praying that a door will open for me. I am more than ready to walk through it. I have totally enjoyed being on MB today, being at home and away from [censored]!!!

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Jenny..How are you and hubbie doing these days?

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As to how H and I are doing. I can honestly say we are doing wonderfully well. H is so much happier, I am so much happier - life is really good. Yet, when we nearly separated a couple of weeks ago I thought my whole world was falling apart. Maybe that's what it took to make me finally see sense. It was one sentence that turned me around. I think JL said "sexy, in love middle aged couple" and then Awed confirmed it. It was a real lightbulb moment. I thought that's what I want and what I can so easily have if I just turn towards H completely. I'm not saying we won't ever be on the top of the rollercoaster again - I'm not that naive - but my whole outlook has changed. A cynical friend said to me "till the next time". meaning until H and I have another upset. Who knows? I'm sure we'll have other upsets but I can only say I've felt a real change in myself.

Lisa, I'm so sorry you're still going through this crap.

Jenny

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Jenny

I'm glad that you and hubbie are doing well!! I think it truly all lies in perspective. You have a positive one and I'm working on mine. Sometimes I wonder if I'm not meant to stay their and work through my issues instead of running from them. I don't know. I can leave and be anonyomous somewhere else but I still have to deal with these issues that are mine and no one else's. A brought these issues to surface that have been there all along and maybe this will finally be a time when I can put these demons away for good.

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Lisa I've done a bit of editing.

I thought what I'd said got too close to identifying the company I used to work for and also the OM.

From reading what's going on up a few threads I got creeped out. I so often forget this is such a public board.

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Lisa I just went and had a look at the TOW site.

It made me feel sick. Have you ever seen it?

Jenny

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Lisa, I read what you wrote to Kiwi-the sex Goddess herself, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
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[QUOTE] A brought these issues to surface that have been there all along and maybe this will finally be a time when I can put these demons away for good. /QUOTE]

That is what I'm doing as well. The A brought up many of my issues, now I'm dealing with them, as a result I feel I will be a better person. I hope you find a good IC, and quickly.

Hi Kiwi. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
MB love,
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ky...keep me posted on your progress please.

Jenny...what is the TOW sight?

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JL's not sassy.

He's Gandalfian.

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ok WAT...You know I'm a southern girl and a lil slow here. You will have to give me a definition of what that means <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

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I didn't know you were one of us who knows the plural of "ya'll" is "all ya'll". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Hint: JL is a wise wizard.

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