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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I think what she said to me is actually quite revealing. Not only was I a huge scumbag for having an A, OW is fat, ugly pig!?! Recently discussed this with IC b/c it confused me as well. Care to know what he said?
go for it...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Ok, bbbbuuuurrrrrrpppp, here goes… <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
I’ve told you (and W) in the past that there was never an emotional connection between me and OP (other pig). There were never any feelings at all. I did talk to OP a lot on the phone, but not about PH & OP. When A was going on I just thought OP listened better/more and was more interested/intrigued. Also, I wasn’t even physically attracted to OP! All of this came up a few weeks ago in IC. I told IC I didn’t understand why I picked OP to ruin my M.
He told me it was because it was safe. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" />
It was safe for me. I knew all along I would never have feelings for OP. I didn’t run the risk of “falling for OP.” (OP didn’t give two ****s about me either so please don’t 2x4 me about using OP) Fog, sure! Plenty to go around! Enough for the A in the first place!
This, of course, doesn’t really help me at all and I’m struggling to figure out how my W feels about it. Not that it’s important, I hurt her terribly. <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />
IC tells me I was a complete idiot for having A and I compartmentalized it to have “safe” A. No risk of OP falling for PH. No risk of OP revealing A to W. Basically says I’m a pig and a schmuck!
And a coward… <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />
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situation is similar for me too, no emotions. OM was definitely safe choice for me, being 14yrs younger than me and not in any way shape or form looking to have a longterm relationship grow out of this. for me that meant i had no worries of if this person loved me, it was a given he did not, therefore no risk of heart being hurt.
i know for my situation that is EXACTLY what i wanted. i wanted the feelings of being connected to someone WITHOUT true emotions. the LAST thing i wanted at the time was to have anyone be "in love" with me.
sometimes i wonder if that is really how i have felt my entire life. which would not make me a very healthy partner in any marriage.
and yet we liked each other, the closest we got to that was both at times saying... "if our lives were more at the same stage, we would be probably really good together"
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I’ve told you (and W) in the past that there was never an emotional connection between me and OP (other pig). </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">do you see her as a pig now? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> There were never any feelings at all. I did talk to OP a lot on the phone, but not about PH & OP. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">what is PH and OP(other person?)
i don't see OM in a negative light even now. i figure i should, but i don't. i think i had a higher opinion of him before, there were times i felt a strong fondness towards him. now i see him more clearly, but still not negatively. i think he is a sexual addict myself (maybe i am too...) of course it was very wrong of him to sleep with a married person, but i was worse, they were MY vows that got broken, not his. he had no problem sleeping with some other man's wife, that is wrong and yet i don't seem to really hold that against him. he did NOT persue me, mislead me or anything. when i wanted him to back off, he would, completely.
he had qualities in him that i really liked and even admired. i think he will end up being a great H when he grows up and commits to a person. does this mean i am still in some fog? i don't feel like i am in any fog. i don't want a life with him. i just don't think poorly of him either. i hope he has a great life.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Also, I wasn’t even physically attracted to OP! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">OM was the smallest person (i don't mean his weight) that i have ever seen, in fact had issues being able to get going and stay going (although i must admit, it was a huge ego boost that those issues didn't exist much with me which he was thrilled about). he was not handsome, but he was pleasant looking, a bit over weight, but kind eyes and a nice smile and a very gentle demeanor which was probably the biggest attraction for me.
so i completely understand the "safe" thing. i knew it at the time too.
i feel like such an odd ball here sometimes. my eyes were pretty wide open the entire time. i am not like so many others that got all "foggy" and could not see right. and then got "better" cuz the fog lifted.
i could not see my H very clearly, that is for sure. i think that is what was changing. but now things are so distant between us again... although H seems just fine with how things are going.
i'm screwing this up so terribly robby.
IC should not tell you you are an idiot, pig or smock, should he????? geeze!!!
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">do you see her as a pig now? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I meant that as we were both pigs. See below.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">what is PH and OP(other person?) </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">PH = PIG HUSBAND / OP = OTHER PIG it was very wrong of her to sleep with a married person, but i was worse, they were MY vows that got broken, not hers. she had no problem sleeping with some other woman's husband, that is wrong I borrowed some of your words there, but that’s how I feel.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">i just don't think poorly of him either. i hope he has a great life. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I don’t think poorly of OP, just my choices.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">i could not see my H very clearly, that is for sure. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Me neither (of my W). It’s almost as if I didn’t give her a fair chance. Even though she was no angel, I did things that were so much worse than she. I didn’t handle anything right! I’m hoping for another chance! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">i think that is what was changing. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I see my W in a whole new light now. I also see how stupid, selfish and evil my actions/choices were.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">but now things are so distant between us again... </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">yeah, this sucks!
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">IC should not tell you you are an idiot, pig or smock, should he????? geeze!!! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">He doesn’t ever really say any of those things.
I end up saying them about myself!!!
He’s really good at cutting through any Bullsh1t I may try to throw up as a defense.
I have IC at 8:00 tonight! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
You seem kinda down today. Have you seen a picture of my redneck dog & baby I put on DipiT's thread? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
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that is not really your dog and baby is it??
dipti's thread looks interesting actually, i should read more of it, but then again it looks like it might actually make me laugh and that is the LAST thing i want to do right now. (sarcasm)
yes, i am feeling very down. in fact just reading you state "you sound down" brought tears to my eyes, pretty pathetic huh?
why, you ask? well i'll tell ya... as much as i try to stop it and i really do try to stop it, that voice in my head just keeps getting louder... this marriage will NEVER work. and my heart is breaking just like it was 3 yrs ago when i came to the conclusion that this marriage is unhealthy for me and i should divorce.
hey good point, it was july of 2001 when the A first started. lovely.
have fun at IC tonight. i am glad it is going well for you.
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