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#1148087 07/06/04 03:50 PM
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Still no Rap, she really knows how to play hard to get.

I'm guessing she exploded from all that cookie dough she ate last night.

BV - here's to you,

Please post Rap,
please,
please,
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DearKY4,

Well I am half asleep and husband has gone to bed, but I said I just had to do a couple more replies on here first (he understood),

Thanks for doing that for me KY4! A few hours has lapsed now so can re -do again myself!!

When I am asleep with my teddy (my little teddy bear that is!!) perhaps you could hold the fort and keep saying the mantra

please post rap
please post rap
please post rap
please post rap

Do you think you can get this EXCACTLY rightfor me? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

Well sob sob didn't have time to get my choc fix before the study tonight (was too busy talking to you guys so your fault!!) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Actually I did drive like a mania driven freek to the garage after the bible study to get it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Think Minister must have thought - wow my message has really driven her on..Didn't have heart to tell him it was chocolate all the way!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

Well am just going to post to JL now and submit to my 4x4'ss... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

Take care and love you all - really! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

please post rap
please post rap
please post rap

Areyou mad at me because I also agreed with NC about better for you to move away because of NC?
Are you mad at me for sayin this??

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Broken Vessel: Trying to help, what have you done for your marriage today? Keep us posted, I'll be back after supper.

Take care,
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Dear RH,

Well this morning I did a list of three things which I feel are essential to me, and my husband really wants to see me move on in them:

1. Maintain NC each day and in anyway. Ie no texts, phone calls, calling round on pretense

2, Read and pray to realise my true selfworth is found in God first. H encouraging me to do this.

3. Bring NO alcoholic drink of any kind in this house.. He is most adamant on this, as he knows it is a weakness since Confession day.

We have also had a good talk just a short while ago, about comments on that book Torn Asunder and how I feel about things too, and how he realises he needs to make changes to me as well.

I think today for me is a bit more positve.

Thanks for asking. Appreciate it.

Take care both of you,

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BV, sounds like a great list to me. I'm glad your doing well today.

Now crush that phone that the OM has access to, so there will be NC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I still haven't posted my favorite meal to you. I will get on that. Was that a cruel joke from you because I'm STARVING????????

I'm taking a Unisom tonight so I can sleep, what about you????

I love you guys too
KY

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Forgive me all.

I did not mean to worry you.


The last couple days have been so painful that I cannot put it into words.

I am not asking for pity, it has just totally worn me out.

I slept half the day today. There was just no real reason (at the time) to get up.

I have not done any of my projects. All I have been able to do is gut-wrenching crying and taking in where my life is right now.

I am not used to being without my family. I don't think I have ever been alone like this in all our 13 years.

It has been painful, but also good. I truly miss them. I am seeing what they really are to me.

I have NOT seen OM since Saturday.

My friend invited me to the pool with her and her kids, and I stayed as long as I could.

I have felt very close to losing my sanity. I cannot explain it. I have been frightened by the realization of everything. Really.

It is a good thing, though. I am ready to move on.

The other thing I have come face to face with while being alone here is how horribly messed up my emotions are with this OM.

There is no logical reason for this attatchment. It is literally driving me out of my mind.

I have normally been a very intelligent person. What in the world has happened to my self-control?

Why is it I can know what is healthy mentally, but there is a raging war against that sane part?

I honestly feel absolutely at a loss. I am really frightened.

I know it is unrealistic, but I would love to go back and erase all of this and not be dealing with this ridiculous addiction. No need to get into what OM is like, it just makes it all the more ridiculous.

Anyway, I know I am not addressing anyone's post in particular right now.

I am sorry. I do appreciate all of you.

BV, You are a silly one. Sorry to worry you.

You all mean a lot to me, I just feel more lost than I can say.

I am supposed to cling to my H now and focus on him. That is the right thing. It will be difficult because he is so hurt. I will do my best to do this now.

I have an IC appointment for Thursday. I realize I really could use some help. It is hard to admit, but I am at my wits end.

I got sick on cookie dough and wine last night. What a mix. I have to admit I do not regret it!

H called while I was typing this. The trip (even the separation) has been good for both of us. Except for me seeing OM. He says he is seeing things he did not understand as am I.

It is hard for me to explain here, but I wish you all could know all the details surrounding the R with OM. NOt to glorify it, but so you could see how much I am realizing the self-destructive nature of it. His interest is not like mine. That is a good thing. It is very painful, but it is forcing me to see what a mess my thinking is around OM. It is hard to believe I will ever be able to think well of myself again. OM does not value me like I would want, and I see what I have been capable of.

I know H has stood by. Somehow, I know the value of my actions have lowered his opinion of me too. Obviously. I will try to love my family and learn to love myself again.

Why do we desire love from those who do not give it to us freely? At least that is me. I don't get it. Will someone please come do brain surgery on me?

I am trying to be honest here. I am not asking for pity. I do not want sympathy. I just do feel so alone and afraid I will never come out of this.

I am sure I will see more clearly soon?

Thanks for listening to the ramblings.

If I do not post regularly, please know I am okay. I cannot tolerate where I am now, and I want to come back when I can talk a little more sanely <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Thank you all so very much for your support. I really don't have the words to say, except NCW and I love you for your selflessness. You are all a great example.

BV,

Is your heiny still numb? Sorry about that. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> You are still MY inspiration.

Pam

JL,
Thank you for taking the time to share your input. I have heard what you said. Thank you.

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ok Jelly and BV...speaking of no sleep....I got to sleep at 2:30 this morning and had to get up at 5:30 to get ready for work!!! I don't like insomnia <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> My brain was on major overload <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

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ok Jelly and BV...speaking of no sleep....I got to sleep at 2:30 this morning and had to get up at 5:30 to get ready for work!!! I don't like insomnia <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> My brain was on major overload <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

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RAP...you have such a long thread going here. Can you fill me in on what's going on.

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Lisa103,

What is going on is I have completely lost my sanity. Yea, that's about it.

Really, what would you like to know?

What this thread is about or what is going on with me? Or both?

Pam

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YES YES AT LAST!!

I actually am staying up later tonight and just made coffee and found a bunch of the kids choc biscuits so here I am guys!

Infact I had just about given up and have taken my sleepingtablet (Zopiclone)so mytyping maybe all over place.

I have normally been a very intelligent person. What in the world has happened to my self-control?

Same as me RAP. That is whathappend. Look at me how I lost my self control…

I was a respected memberof church involved in all areas of ministry
I worked (secretarial) for OM who was (man of cloth)
My H on the church board
No one knew my terrible deceptive life.

Up to that point I was serving God fully and loving Him with all my heart…ButI realized that no oneis safe from an A. We should all learn from this.
Both of us have to do this.

Well done for having NC since Saturday RAP> I think that is great and a real positive thing for you to have maintained.

You say you have not SEEN OM since last Sat. Have you talked with him, emailed him, txted him?

We both know this is still contact…. Haveyou dear RAP.?

The other thing I have come face to face with while being alone here is how horribly messed up my emotions are with this OM.

You are having a stage 11 A (emotionally entangled) which I am too (Have you read torn asunder). This explains why it is so difficult to detached yourself emotionally for him.Metoo.

Why is it I can know what is healthy mentally, but there is a raging war against that sane part?

Heart vs head head vs heart…. All the time. Your head knows what to do, but your heart wont accept what needs to be done to release you from your source of pain – OM

BV, You are a silly one. Sorry to worry you.

Don’t worry. I know I am crazy.

I have an IC appointment for Thursday. I realize I really could use some help. It is hard to admit, but I am at my wits end.

Will be really praying for you. Hang in there. You will come through this.

Ps what happened to some cookie dough for me? Do you guys eat the dough or cook it first?? Just an ignorant foreigner trying to make sense of it!! Me that is!

OM does not value me like I would want, and I see what I have been capable of.

We do though, God does, and your H does. Let OM go. His opinions doesn’t count. I have to do the same.

Us Proverbs 31 ladies don’t want to be carrying any baggage on our way to meeting her…We can start with nothing and will make things right again. WE WILL!

Why do we desire love from those who do not give it to us freely? At least that is me. I don't get it. Will someone please come do brain surgery on me?

Our H want our love yet our desire is still for that OM with us. We both need brain surgery in this. It will get rooted out, God will root it out and do our brain surgery. We have to be willing though.

Are we ready to now say….Yes God. I need it rooted out now.I will cooperate in whatever you think is best in order for it to be accomplished in my life?

BV,
BV,

Is your heiny still numb? Sorry about that. You are still MY inspiration.


I knew there was another word for the ‘rear’end!! I just couldn’t think of it. I need an American phrase book to have. That will be fun. Would love that!

Yes it is numb….However I can now go and get 40 winks because have seen you are ok.

Please do a list like I have done?
Please put No Contact in whatever form on the top of it

Dear Lisa,

Sorry you are on overload with the sleep thing. I understand. I have been there. Thanks for being around. Hope you will stick to NC and not get into an explanation of anything and anykind with OM when you leave work will you??

What of that other ‘work person’ who tried to get you to speak to him privately?

Take care,

Well guys that’s it now….Am headed for the sack and will read all your posts in the morning.

Take care,

And you now are free from my ranting on….

RAP

Please post
Please post
Please post!!!

Love you all. You will be friends for ever in my heart for being through this hard and dark period of my life with me,

Kas
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#1148098 07/06/04 05:36 PM
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BV,

I have not read all your post.

You are too nice.

I just posted to "staring a new thread" that madmax sent out.

I do not feel welcome here.

I have not meant some things the way they were taken.

I care about you a lot, but I will not expose myself like this. I can't do it.

Love,
Pam

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PLease, please forgive me. I am not trying to get you to ask me to stay.

YOu are wonderful BV and others. I don't need to be here.

Take care and please know we will be okay. I am sure NCW will stay around, as he does need you all.

Lots of love,
Pam

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Dear RAP,

Can you believe I am still glued with my heiny(?) to this computer chair?

Will you post somewhere else?

Am just sad because we have all got used to that thread now and Believer checks on us everyday, and well, I want you to know you areneeded?

What if there are others reading this thread and who have beenfollowing your story before joining
MB's (as I did with FL thread), then suddenly someone disappears?

You are helping loads of people RAP.

Please tell me at least where you will post, but i really want you to stay here??

Am falling asleep now, so will checkagain in the morning...

Am going to pray for you now as I turn off the pc

Am still sad and winey about you going,and KY4 will have a real bad earache if you go.

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Hi to all-
RAP- what you have done-
it could have happened to
any of us WW. we are no
different in our weaknesses.
you have been so truthful &
that is admirable. It is easy
to lie-so much harder to give
the truth & no what may happen
because of it. I did that for
6 months-kept the truth from
my H. I couldnt carry the burden
anymore-it was just too much.
you know you are struggling-
we here that-we want to be here
thru this for you-it is not
about happy posting all the time-
sometimes it just helps to vent
& know that others care-we care.
I have said many many times- I
know for my withdrawal it is so
fortunate that OM I had A w/ lives
so far away. I cant imagine the
cotinual temptation-I just cant.
you are human-but guess what??!!
God still loves you-
& so do your friends....
take care of yourself girlfriend-
pal

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RAP...What is going on with you personally. My eyes are too tired to read over the 400+ posts here!!

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RAP -

Glad to see you are okay. When you are "addicted", your brain chemicals actually change - no need for brain surgery, because they will change back with NC.

For all the rest of the insomniacs here, my doctor told me to take benedryl (the anti-histamine) to sleep. It works very well.

I'm off work this week and supposed to be doing things around the house. I did get stuff done today, finally.

Hope everyone else is doing okay. We will all get through this together.

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ok believer....I am really jealous of you!! It would be wonderful to have this week off except for the fact that it is absolutely hot as hades here in Georgia right now!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" />

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Lisa -

I live in California by the ocean. It is very comfortable here.

To answer you question about RAP - she is not doing well at all. Going through a really tough time.

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I am so sorry to hear that. I'll have to catch up on her thread to see what's gone on. Thanks

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