<small>[ July 05, 2004, 11:55 PM: Message edited by: runawaypot ]</small>

^ for Pep.

I guess it is the end of discussion.

Night Pep.

<small>[ July 06, 2004, 12:24 AM: Message edited by: runawaypot ]</small>

Woo.

OK before I start… I am making myself completely clear….I am qualified to make this response to previous posts here.

Threats of suicide must under all circumstances be treated as one would treat the onset of cardiac arrest.Even if these thought are printed out in an online saga.

This medium is not a medium to undertake a suicide risk assessment or make assumptions.

Suicidal Threats= manipulation is one of the most ignorant statements I have seen in quite some time.


Example A…man looses wife to cancer after 50 yrs marriage and he wants to join her….when he calls is he being manipulative?…

Example B…woman has already lost entire family in a car accident and has an overwhelming need to join them in death…manipulation?

Example C…10 yr old boy hangs himself…manipulation ?

DO I need to go on…

Pep, you saw in some of RAPS responses of how her thoughts are all over the place.

RAP in my humble opinion requires professional help.Just as you said in the other thread.

Option A for NC…..get wifey professional help…

Childish , stupid?………….making an assumption so quickly off the bat could one day cost someone their lives. Always when suicide is mentioned err to the side of caution.

Off soap box…

Max


Ps RH.. noubt as queer as folk???…….nothing surprises me ….its human nature

Madmax,

I do agree with you...there is absolutely no way we can determine from where we sit whether it is/was a serious threat, and we can take absolutely no chances. In Pepper's defense, though, I believe she was doing what a crisis intervention counselor would do....KEEP THEM TALKING! I didn't know any of this was going on yesterday, but all day I had this agitated feeling over what's been going on. I felt so helpless, and even more...absolutely unqualified to help. Pepper DID take her seriously. That is why she engaged her in conversation ....she got RAP to defend herself, even maybe got her MAD, which is a lot better than the state she was in before. My God...this is scary. Honestly I don't know if, in these cases, you actually ever really can know if what you're doing will help, even if it's what works in "most" cases, there will always be some that slip through the cracks anyway. All I could do yesterday was pray..."God protect her."

I'm glad you speak up. Seriously glad.

Julie

Madmax..... thanks for your opinion.... I do understand what you are saying. Within the confinds of a message board, there is just so much one can do.... I know I cannot influence anyone one way or the other about suicide.... but I can engage someone a snappy debate when I feel like it ~~~ can't I?

If you want a highly informative discussion about the effects of parental suicidal threats upon children, start a thread asking hope4future for her opinion .... she has first hand experience.

And, this was manipulation ..... "Don't be mad at me, and don't require me to act responsibly, can't you see how hurt I am ?".....

Pep

I believe she was doing what a crisis intervention counselor would do....

under no circumstances...never...challenging a behaviour, acceptable. Making an assumption. NO


Max.

<small>[ July 06, 2004, 08:46 AM: Message edited by: madmax ]</small>

Max.... start a new thread....

Max,
I shouldn't talk about something I know nothing about. Sorry....

Julie